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I have been lurking and reading on this forum for about a year now (albeit passively), it is a great source of info.
I am 35 yo and have been lifting seriously for around 4 years. I used to be fat and managed to lose a lot of weight, now I am around 15% bf with the lowest I have been around 12% bf.
I find it extremely hard to build muscle naturally. Last year I decided to measure my testosterone and sure enough, my results were lower than the lowest recommended threshold, but not by much. My doctor said it is not necessary to be on trt.
Since then, I decided to give AAS a try, to hopefully put on a few pounds of muscle.
I got both dbol and test prop, but decided to start with a dbol only cycle in order to better control any side-effects, since I had no clue how I would react. I know an oral-only cycle is supposed to be "far from optimal" or "wrong" etc.. but I wanted to make baby steps.
Just before the cycle starts, I have done another Total testosterone bloodwork, and the result came fairly similar to the one I had done a few months earlier, clearly below the recommended values.
I took dbol for 6 weeks, at 40mg per day. I gained around 10kgs in total, half of which is water since I put them on in the first week.
On the 4th week of the cycle I felt that I got shutdown. My nuts became noticeably smaller, and I had difficulty maintaining erections.
At the end of the cycle, on the day after my last dbol pill, I have done another total testosterone bloodwork, and indeed a week later the results came, and I had almost ZERO testosterone. I was fully shutdown.
Of course I have done a PCT, consisting of Nolva and Clomid, however after 4 days I decided to stop the Nolva and stick with Clomid at 50mg ed.
2 weeks into PCT, I felt that my libido returned and that my nuts got their original size. So I decided to make another testosterone bloodwork, and here came the big surprise, my results came better than the average!
Remember my natural test levels are normally below the lowest recommended range, and now suddenly I am close to the upper limit!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!
During the dbol cycle my strength was increasing, and I was expecting that after the cycle I will lose some of this strength. But that did not happen and I kept making progress 4 weeks after the end of the cycle.
I lost the water I was storing on dbol, but I kept 5kgs (11 lbs?) and no fat gain. This may not be huge, but for me it is a blessing. For the fist time I can see a clear split between my shoulders and triceps giving me an improved figure.
The question is: is it normal to have a natural testosterone increase after a cycle? this seems to contradict a lot of the current post-cycle expectations.
I will do another testosterone bloodwork in another 2 weeks (yes many bloodworks but I tend to be very anal and fact-oriented) to make sure test levels are still ok after I had stopped Clomid for a while.
For my next cycle I am planning to do a dbol + prop cycle.
Does any of you have an opinion on the reason behind the rapid natural testosterone increase I had? Is it the Clomid? Is it just a temporary rebound? Is there a way to maintain it?
Is it normal?
I am 35 yo and have been lifting seriously for around 4 years. I used to be fat and managed to lose a lot of weight, now I am around 15% bf with the lowest I have been around 12% bf.
I find it extremely hard to build muscle naturally. Last year I decided to measure my testosterone and sure enough, my results were lower than the lowest recommended threshold, but not by much. My doctor said it is not necessary to be on trt.
Since then, I decided to give AAS a try, to hopefully put on a few pounds of muscle.
I got both dbol and test prop, but decided to start with a dbol only cycle in order to better control any side-effects, since I had no clue how I would react. I know an oral-only cycle is supposed to be "far from optimal" or "wrong" etc.. but I wanted to make baby steps.
Just before the cycle starts, I have done another Total testosterone bloodwork, and the result came fairly similar to the one I had done a few months earlier, clearly below the recommended values.
I took dbol for 6 weeks, at 40mg per day. I gained around 10kgs in total, half of which is water since I put them on in the first week.
On the 4th week of the cycle I felt that I got shutdown. My nuts became noticeably smaller, and I had difficulty maintaining erections.
At the end of the cycle, on the day after my last dbol pill, I have done another total testosterone bloodwork, and indeed a week later the results came, and I had almost ZERO testosterone. I was fully shutdown.
Of course I have done a PCT, consisting of Nolva and Clomid, however after 4 days I decided to stop the Nolva and stick with Clomid at 50mg ed.
2 weeks into PCT, I felt that my libido returned and that my nuts got their original size. So I decided to make another testosterone bloodwork, and here came the big surprise, my results came better than the average!
Remember my natural test levels are normally below the lowest recommended range, and now suddenly I am close to the upper limit!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!
During the dbol cycle my strength was increasing, and I was expecting that after the cycle I will lose some of this strength. But that did not happen and I kept making progress 4 weeks after the end of the cycle.
I lost the water I was storing on dbol, but I kept 5kgs (11 lbs?) and no fat gain. This may not be huge, but for me it is a blessing. For the fist time I can see a clear split between my shoulders and triceps giving me an improved figure.
The question is: is it normal to have a natural testosterone increase after a cycle? this seems to contradict a lot of the current post-cycle expectations.
I will do another testosterone bloodwork in another 2 weeks (yes many bloodworks but I tend to be very anal and fact-oriented) to make sure test levels are still ok after I had stopped Clomid for a while.
For my next cycle I am planning to do a dbol + prop cycle.
Does any of you have an opinion on the reason behind the rapid natural testosterone increase I had? Is it the Clomid? Is it just a temporary rebound? Is there a way to maintain it?
Is it normal?
