Natural limits

[rustilldown]

Hey, I know this question is vague, but what would be the average natural weight limit for a 6'0 male be keeping bf at 10% or under. I know everyone wil differ a little but is there a median weight that one could say can not be exceeded without adding fat and and maintaining a 10% bf .

 

[zwhit]

there's no way of being accurate with an answer bro. it all depends on your genetics

 

[dylangemelli]

bro, that's an impossible question to answer because everyone is going to be different in so many ways... there is not good answer for that question because it is going to vary from person to person...

 

[rustilldown]

I think 6'0 200 is a pretty good rough answer. Maybe even lighter like 190-195. Of course it's gonna vary but I still think there is a general number that can be used as a guideline .

 

[dylangemelli]

actually thats not the case at all... i know guys that are 5'8 225 with under 8%... there is no general guideline whatsoever... genetic makeup, diet, body comp, it varies from person to person... there is no guideline to that question at all...

 

[RickRock13]

actually thats not the case at all... i know guys that are 5'8 225 with under 8%... there is no general guideline whatsoever... genetic makeup, diet, body comp, it varies from person to person... there is no guideline to that question at all...

The thing is that if somebody is 225 at 5'8" and under 8% bodyfat, they are certainly way past their genetic limit, and probably blast and cruising to maintain it.

Genetic potential is a hard thing to judge and accurately give an example of, because it is so individually specific..but if you are 6 foot, in single digit bodyfat, and 220 lbs you have to at least figure you are damn close to it if you haven't met it yet. If you come off of a cycle and seem to lose more than normal and continuously end up back at the same weight over time...it may be a good indication you are at genetic potential. The only way to get past it at that point is to never come off (blast and cruise)

 

[rustilldown]

The thing is that if somebody is 225 at 5'8" and under 8% bodyfat, they are certainly way past their genetic limit, and probably blast and cruising to maintain it.

Genetic potential is a hard thing to judge and accurately give an example of, because it is so individually specific..but if you are 6 foot, in single digit bodyfat, and 220 lbs you have to at least figure you are damn close to it if you haven't met it yet. If you come off of a cycle and seem to lose more than normal and continuously end up back at the same weight over time...it may be a good indication you are at genetic potential. The only way to get past it at that point is to never come off (blast and cruise)

This is the answer I was after thank you all for your replies. I'm just trying to judge where I stand as I'm having a real tough time getting up and over 190-195 when off cycle . Without getting fat that is. Planning on staying natty for a while although I did just order 5 katana 2 epi and 2 helladrol 0000oooo. Thx Rick Dylan and everyone

 

[GradeABeef]

I don't agree. I think that at 6 foot you can easily reach the mid 2's
I know several guys that have not touched anything and with great genetics and YEARS of hard work they were Arnold like.
Those same guys with aas would be over 300 lbs and absolute monsters.

 

[needtogetaas]

bro, that's an impossible question to answer because everyone is going to be different in so many ways... There is not good answer for that question because it is going to vary from person to person...

yup!!!

 

[Nelson Montana]

That's like asking; "what's the maximum height someone can reach if they're currently 14 years old?"

 

[needtogetaas]

that's like asking; "what's the maximum height someone can reach if they're currently 14 years old?"

lol

 

[RickRock13]

I don't agree. I think that at 6 foot you can easily reach the mid 2's
I know several guys that have not touched anything and with great genetics and YEARS of hard work they were Arnold like.
Those same guys with aas would be over 300 lbs and absolute monsters.

So you are saying that you know several guys that were "Arnold-like" without ever touching AAS? I'm sorry bro....but no fucking way. Arnold was 6'1" with a contest weight of 225 and obviously WAY past his genetic limit. He had the greatest genetics ever and wouldn't have looked like that without AAS.

You can be 6 foot and 250 naturally yes....but not with single digit bodyfat. That is impossible without hormonal assistance. Those guys you are talking about either use gear or they are just high bodyfat meatheads...in which case 6 foot and 250 is not impressive

There is a guy on this board that is 6'3" and 240s at single digit bodyfat and is insanely jacked. Uses tons of gear and will likely have his pro card this year...That's more like reality

 

[freakshow85]

There was a study done on this, and they came up with an equation to show genetic limit. I realize that can't be 100% accurate, and I wish I could find the link to it, but I'm on a phone. I remember that at 6'4'', the max weight at 10% bodyfat was 230 lbs. Just throwing that out there, I'm not dead set on it or anything.

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[rustilldown]

That's like asking; "what's the maximum height someone can reach if they're currently 14 years old?"

No not really

 

[Evan Tipps]

Id say around 230.. im 6'0 and 218 but around 12-13% And lol at anyone who says arnold had the best genetics..

 

[Nelson Montana]

No not really

Yup. Really.

 

[bigbassturd]

I've never heard of or seen anyone over about 215 at 6' without getting into the teens in bf%

My old workout partner was a 6'2'' stick figure his whole life. Badass basketball player so he never got big or lifted much. I got him into lifting after college and he has fucking blown up without touching gear. In just a few years of lifting he's gone from 180 at 8% to 220 at 9-10% and is a fucking beast. I bet if he'd grow a little more and then start some gear he'd hit 250 with single digits no problem..

 

[stevesmi]

we could debate this thing for 100 pages and still not agree lol.

everyone is so different that its impossible to answer this. obviously someone who is 6 foot tall and weighs 160 pounds is way below what they are capable of being. and someone 6 foot and 300+ pounds is gonna be obese. that atleast we can agree to

 

[bigbassturd]

Right steve. If I had to put a number on it at 6' and single digit bf% I would say between 195 and 210 for the average person with good diet and training.

There are always exceptions

 

[dylangemelli]

for fucks sake guys... look at john cena, hes not even 5'10 and hes at least 240 and hes single digit body fat... thats just an example off the top of my head...

 

[bigbassturd]

for fucks sake guys... look at john cena, hes not even 5'10 and hes at least 240 and hes single digit body fat... thats just an example off the top of my head...

John cena hasn't been natty since he was in like jr high bro lol

 

[RickRock13]

John cena hasn't been natty since he was in like jr high bro lol

Exactly....genetic limit means nothing if someone is on juice

 

[freakshow85]

I'm guessing Dylan misread something about this thread. He surely knows better than Cena being natural.

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[ledhead]

actually thats not the case at all... i know guys that are 5'8 225 with under 8%... there is no general guideline whatsoever... genetic makeup, diet, body comp, it varies from person to person... there is no guideline to that question at all...

Your entire post is pretty much money! There are no set protocols to any aspect of bodybuilding, or anything related to genetics. It would be virtually impossible to come up with an accurate reading on someone's genetic potential. Even if a geneticist did a DNA test on a person and used a punnet square to find out what that person's genotype capabilities are; all that geneticist could do is guess or predict what the phenotype "could possibly" express.

Moreover, that geneticist would need the input from expert: nutritionists, chemists, and mathematicians to calculate all the variables. Furthermore, with all the data calculated from the experts from different fields combined; I would venture to say that it would be hard for all of them together to come up with a "rough estimation" to what would likely occur. All they could do is "predict" the outcome, which is not concrete evidence. Their summation would be abstract, hypothetical, and conjectural because there are too many uncertainties and not enough certainties to give a unequivocal answer.

 

[bigbassturd]

Your entire post is pretty much money! There are no set protocols to any aspect of bodybuilding, or anything related to genetics. It would be virtually impossible to come up with an accurate reading on someone's genetic potential. Even if a geneticist did a DNA test on a person and used a punnet square to find out what that person's genotype capabilities are; all that geneticist could do is guess or predict what the phenotype "could possibly" express.

Moreover, that geneticist would need the input from expert: nutritionists, chemists, and mathematicians to calculate all the variables. Furthermore, with all the data calculated from the experts from different fields combined; I would venture to say that it would be hard for all of them together to come up with a "rough estimation" to what would likely occur. All they could do is "predict" the outcome, which is not concrete evidence. Their summation would be abstact, hypothetical, and conjectural because there are too many uncertainties and not enough certainties to give a unequivocal answer.

abstract*

 

[bigbassturd]

lol jk bro just busting your balls

 

[ledhead]

lol jk bro just busting your balls

I know

 

[dylangemelli]

i never said cena was natty... im just saying that you can get to places with a low body fat, whether on or off, and everyone will be different...

 

[dylangemelli]

Your entire post is pretty much money! There are no set protocols to any aspect of bodybuilding, or anything related to genetics. It would be virtually impossible to come up with an accurate reading on someone's genetic potential. Even if a geneticist did a DNA test on a person and used a punnet square to find out what that person's genotype capabilities are; all that geneticist could do is guess or predict what the phenotype "could possibly" express.

Moreover, that geneticist would need the input from expert: nutritionists, chemists, and mathematicians to calculate all the variables. Furthermore, with all the data calculated from the experts from different fields combined; I would venture to say that it would be hard for all of them together to come up with a "rough estimation" to what would likely occur. All they could do is "predict" the outcome, which is not concrete evidence. Their summation would be abstract, hypothetical, and conjectural because there are too many uncertainties and not enough certainties to give a unequivocal answer.

thanks bro

 

[RickRock13]

I am an advocate and follower of a lot of Martin Berkhans principles and have been for quite some time. Here is his take and his formula on genetic potential

Intermittent fasting diet for fat loss, muscle gain and health: Maximum Muscular Potential of Drug-Free Athletes (Updated Dec 31st)

 

[stevesmi]

i never said cena was natty... im just saying that you can get to places with a low body fat, whether on or off, and everyone will be different...

very true.. large muscle mass weighs a lot more than people think. I learned this the last time i went swimming lol, i sink like a rock. back when i was a teen i was way less body fat but i had lean muscle and i was a fantastic swimmer. totally different body composition having large muscle mass vs. lean muscle mass. Cena is a beast

 

[MattJS]

There's A LOT of variation here, my training partner when I met him was the biggest natural athlete I'd ever met at 5'8 190lbs ~9%, 90% of the roiders I know still have nowhere near the mass he had then, an absolute genetic beast... It still took him ten years in the gym to get to that point... There are a lot of really, REALLY stupid numbers thrown about online but personally, I could count the guys I know at 170+ ripped and natural at any height on one hand...