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Approved Log My log for second Cycle testosterone primobolan

Clomid as a treatment to raise lg/fsh and testosterone is exactly what is needed.
And I believe that this is the way to go.
But about stimulation of HCG on the course based on literature, video, much better recovery after long cycle and faster starts the arc.
hcg works for feeding your leydig cells. but look what it does to your pituitary glands. let's say you did use it in pct, all you are doing is delaying recovery. what gets people confused is they nuts plump up on hcg, so they think they are recovering and they aren't

there has actually never been studies that show hcg works for male fertility. the only study that ever showed anything helped male fertility was a stack of clomid + vitamin E. that is it.
 
I am the biggest proponent you are going to find about doing due diligence and research... One issue that does come along with it is information that is skewed or just incorrect... Information in text is always the go to and rightfully so, but real world experience can counter information that gets put out as well.. I have coached thousands upon thousands of people over the last decade and one of the biggest issues i have had to deal with in terms of people having issues is either hcg misuse or abuse... there is a lot more to it than some lead on and the misuse of it has led to some severe long term issues.. many on here have already brought these to your attention but in reality, hcg is suppressive and estrogenic.. hcg use in pct has caused many to have issues with recovery etc... it has been touched on enough here that i am not going to further get into that aspect but understand from someone who has been around this with actual people, many professional athletes, using it with issues, i can affirm there is in fact large issues with it and thats why you rarely see me recommend it and if i do, its in 4 week MAX spurts of use...

the issue i will also touch on that i briefly saw on here was in regards to fertility.. when it comes to TRUE fertility repair, hcg is the lowest of the three required to make it ACTUALLY work.. the combination of HMG, clomid and hcg is what has show to work even in those with zero sperm counts but HMG is the actual key... hcg is the least needed of the three but the three in conjunction does give the best chance of fertility repair.. this is one of the only circumstances where i do recommend a bit longer use as needed to provide the very best chance of repair, but keep in mind that overuse of HCG has led to many issues with long term issues with test numbers and many issues that one sees with hypogonadism in general.. you do whatever you think you know or feel is best, but you may want to listen to people that actually have coached this for a living as opposed to you reading a few articles etc..

good luck with everything, i wish you nothing but the best
 
I am the biggest proponent you are going to find about doing due diligence and research... One issue that does come along with it is information that is skewed or just incorrect... Information in text is always the go to and rightfully so, but real world experience can counter information that gets put out as well.. I have coached thousands upon thousands of people over the last decade and one of the biggest issues i have had to deal with in terms of people having issues is either hcg misuse or abuse... there is a lot more to it than some lead on and the misuse of it has led to some severe long term issues.. many on here have already brought these to your attention but in reality, hcg is suppressive and estrogenic.. hcg use in pct has caused many to have issues with recovery etc... it has been touched on enough here that i am not going to further get into that aspect but understand from someone who has been around this with actual people, many professional athletes, using it with issues, i can affirm there is in fact large issues with it and thats why you rarely see me recommend it and if i do, its in 4 week MAX spurts of use...

the issue i will also touch on that i briefly saw on here was in regards to fertility.. when it comes to TRUE fertility repair, hcg is the lowest of the three required to make it ACTUALLY work.. the combination of HMG, clomid and hcg is what has show to work even in those with zero sperm counts but HMG is the actual key... hcg is the least needed of the three but the three in conjunction does give the best chance of fertility repair.. this is one of the only circumstances where i do recommend a bit longer use as needed to provide the very best chance of repair, but keep in mind that overuse of HCG has led to many issues with long term issues with test numbers and many issues that one sees with hypogonadism in general.. you do whatever you think you know or feel is best, but you may want to listen to people that actually have coached this for a living as opposed to you reading a few articles etc..

good luck with everything, i wish you nothing but the best
Thank you very much for your words.
I understand correctly that if the cycle is 16 weeks / after that it is possible 4 weeks of hhg during the bridge, twice a week, say 500. And then the next course without ?
 
Thank you very much for your words.
I understand correctly that if the cycle is 16 weeks / after that it is possible 4 weeks of hhg during the bridge, twice a week, say 500. And then the next course without ?
No, no and no bro… if you are intent on using it you definitely would not use something suppressive right after a cycle. You would use it the last four weeks of your cycle up until pct starts and no more than 1000 ius per week…
 
No, no and no bro… if you are intent on using it you definitely would not use something suppressive right after a cycle. You would use it the last four weeks of your cycle up until pct starts and no more than 1000 ius per week…
Yeah, I got it. Thanks a lot.
 
Thank you very much for your words.
I understand correctly that if the cycle is 16 weeks / after that it is possible 4 weeks of hhg during the bridge, twice a week, say 500. And then the next course without ?
Again - a bridge is staying on at a low dose. Meaning you're still suppressing natural production. So why then use HCG?

Also why stay on for 16 weeks THEN bridge? Or are you ignoring these questions because you've made your mind up and don't wish to question the logic?
 
Again - a bridge is staying on at a low dose. Meaning you're still suppressing natural production. So why then use HCG?

Also why stay on for 16 weeks THEN bridge? Or are you ignoring these questions because you've made your mind up and don't wish to question the logic?
As for the bridge after 16 weeks of the course, the goal is to give the CNS and the body a rest from heavy training, and to relieve the stomach from food load.
Leave on the bridge that would not lose the gained meat for the course, and after passing the analysis to enter the next cycle.
I feel like you are angry at my posts, I am glad to repeat I am not going to argue or try to prove anything. Everything I found and wrote is also in the research, and it turns out that there is no better protocol, only experience.
 
As for the bridge after 16 weeks of the course, the goal is to give the CNS and the body a rest from heavy training, and to relieve the stomach from food load.
Leave on the bridge that would not lose the gained meat for the course, and after passing the analysis to enter the next cycle.
I feel like you are angry at my posts, I am glad to repeat I am not going to argue or try to prove anything. Everything I found and wrote is also in the research, and it turns out that there is no better protocol, only experience.
If it was true that you'd lose gains by not staying on then everyone that's both had time off and done a PCT OR trained naturally would never get bigger. The reason why those that lose gains made on cycle (and obviously no one keeps ALL the gains) is they fail to adjust both training or diet to suit the new size/muscle/gains. Simply put doing what you did BEFORE again after is obviously gonna make you lose muscle etc. Even using test without the food or stimulus does little. If you DID include some stimulus and ate a little more - even when bridging - you'd keep more. You suggest eating less, to have a rest, keeps muscle. I GET that you wont be kicking quite as much ass in the gym on less. That's ok. No one, on or off, canm go balls out, as it were, all the time.

Forget the stomach load thing. You really do NOT need to eat that much more food to grow. And you'll need to eat a bit more (see above) than before the cycle anyway. Plus your idea suggests that it's ok not to eat more (a little remember) and to rest the CNS (ok but again a little more stimulus to keep the new muscle) but to CONTINUE to suppress the ability to produce your own testosterone... that's a no. And, as has been pointed out, HCG plumps the balls and yet you're still not producing any off (or very little) your own test.

I've written on the stupidity of bridging. Again and again those who think it's a good idea, eps those (as per your own suggestion in an earlier reply) who might want to maintain fertility in case they want kids (or more kids) will moan they they fu*ked themselves and wished they'd listened. You can find threads like that on EVERY forum.

I also asked (not angrily lol) why 16 weeks for an average Joe is a good idea... then staying on (aka doing a bridge). It makes a LOT more sense to do short cycles with proper off time and PCT's than staying on cycle for a 1/3rd of the year and then staying on. So address why the 16 weeks too

Finally Stevesmi pointed out that the research does NOT support use. What research used athletes using PEDs at far above medical use levels and or those same athletes choosing to stay on. NONE. So you can and have shown how HCG worked in 1 example but not how you suggest you wanna use it. Ergo pointless. There are very few examples of ANY studies where they actually monitor what you do (most that are close ASK you) and use anything close to PED use levels. And then NONE where that includes following up PED use with HCG use.

On the food thing: the reason why most gym trainees wanting to grow don't is 1) they don't train with the intensity required (they just think they do), 2) a poor diet only eating properly..., cue shock... when on PEDs... when they gain!! Then... lord help us... eat less off and lose their gains... well d'uh. When 'on' they lift more, do more reps and eat more = gains!! Ditto doing the same and expecting more. Even the plateau thing is over done. Look around your gym and count how many are actually kicking butt and growing.
 
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