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My girlfriends voice is deepening from winny

KINGKONG69

KINGKONG69

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Or so she says, i cant tell, but she's on a winny/t-3 cycle, and this is the first time she has used steriods, just clen and t-3 in the past.
Anyways, she has only been on for 10 days now, and i have been giving her 25MG every other day.
is it possible it could actually start to deepen that quick, or is it in her head since i told her thats a possible side.
for now anyways, i cut the dose in half, 12.5MG every other day.
Any suggestions on this.
 
Yes it can deepend that quick and no its not in her head. Particularly if her throat has been scratchy/itchy. Cut her back - she'll still see gains.
 
oral, its the powder, suspended in bacardi 151. i thought the sore throat could have been caused by the alchol.
 
SHE'S BEEN COMPLAINING HER THROAT IS SORE, AND THAT SHE'S REALLY TIRED. THE TIREDNESS PROBLY COMES FROM THE T-3 THOUGH.
SHE WE STOP THIS CYCLE COMPLETELY, OR JUST BRING THE DOSE DOWN. IM DEFINATLY AT LEAST DROPING THE DOSE TO 12.5 EOD.
 
The same thing happened to my girlfriend when she did winny. She was only on 100mgs a week and it DEFFINATELY has changed her voice. Not so much in an everyday conversation, but she is a singer and it is much harder for her to carry notes, and some notes that she used to be able to hit easily she can not reach at all anymore. Deffinately something to think about!
 
Real Winny can be hard to find. A lot of the time, (especially if you are low in the ladder) Testosterone Suspension is used, even low concentrations of this. It looks similar but effects are way different. Women particularly must BEWARE!

Triple H
 
yes, winny was only choice i had for her, im trying to get anavar for her next cycle. i dropped the dose, so we'll see if the sides lighten up.
one side that is really starting to increase is the acne on her face. shes gonna start useing the face whipes throughout the day.
 
I would reduce the dosage of the winny and take her off the t-3 altogether. This is one of the reason most of us here suggest to only do one drug at a time so you can know exactly what side effects are being given by which drug.

I tried winny at just 12.5mg EOD, injectable, after only two shots my throat was really itchy and scratchy. I knew those were signs of deepening of the voice so I stopped.

I had previusly done a cycle with Deca and had the scratchy throat feeling and ended up with my voice changing. It's been 10 months now so its alot better, but right after the cycle I sounded like I had terrible cold all the time for about 3 months. Its better but not back to normal not by any means.

Its better to be safe than sorry. Definitely wait to get the anavar much safer at least for me it was great.
 
Why? Why? Why is she doing this to herself? It changes a woman's entire physiology. I know it's done, but please get her to an endocrinologist fast.

Fact: The effects of "winny" or testosterone on the voice are PERMANENT. They are not reversable.

Fact: If it's working this fast on her, it's going to start building a brow ridge, thickening the jaw. This is PERMANENT.

Then thinning hair, and then facial hair. The facial hair requires painful electrolosis. Correcting boney facial stuff requires very expensive surgery. Your average plastic surgeon doesn't know how to do that anyway.

If this doesn't scare you, nothing will.

Testosterone should be at most 85 ng per deciliter of blood in females. Normal female range is 10 to 85 ng per deciliter. Some of us with low testosterone have difficulty losing body fat. :(

I'm sure that if she went to an endocrinologist and complained about lack of sex drive he or she would put her on low dosage of testosterone to bring her level up to that 85 ng/deciliter. It needs to be monitored.

Sasha
 
IMHO take her off it completely. Hormones need to be monitored by a doctor, and particulary by an endocrinologist. There are too many things that can go wrong.

I know a couple of girls that took it too far and ended up spending $35,000 to fix the damage. Now they look great but still have deep voices. Repairs are not covered by medical insurance.

Testosterone can also effect her ability to bear children and thus your ability to have a child with her if you so choose in the future.

Seeing an endoc for increasing sex drive is, however. That and the resulting prescription would also be covered.

He should run a TSH panel (for thyroid because of the fatigue) and a serum testosterone/estrogen, particularly FSH panel and a Hepatic (liver) function test to be on the safe side.

Sorry for the bad news. Now I'll get off my soapbox.

Sasha
 
EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE SOME SIDES SHOWING, SHE DONT WANT TO COME OFF YET. WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT LUNCH TODAY.
ILL TALK WITH HER AGAIN TONIGHT. YOUR STARTING TO SCARE ME SASHA
 
Excellent post as usual Lobo...

As Lobo said the t-3 is NOT a steroid. And you shouldn't be taking t-3 w/o some a/s support or you will lose too much muscle. (I HOPE she is taking the t-3 correctly)

Unless your girl is getting freaked, I'd just back off the winstrol dose for several days and see if her sides improve. If they do not or worsen then certainly cut the dose again or stop all together. Voice changes CAN be permenant.

Re her tiredness: Remember that DIET, SUPPLEMENTS AND WATER are EXTREMELY important for her at this time. T-3 dehydrates so if she's not drinking enough water this could be causing tiredness. Many of us have experienced getting sick during a cycle b/c we are not supporting our system correctly. Doing a cycle does tax your system in a lot of different ways so the whole package is important.

I'd like to hear more about her training progress and diet.
 
You can have her e-mail me off the list and I'll discuss it with her if you'd like. Here's a picture of me 18 months ago at age 46. It's all me done with only creatine and a high protein diet. Just a lot of very hard work. I was at 13.9% bodyfat by the EAS formula. Granted I'm not as cut up as I'd like to be, but I could bench 250 then. And I was doing 60 minutes of cardio at a stretch 6 days a week.

Clothes were hard to find. I was a size 14 in the upper body 'cause of my shoulders, wore size 12 jeans, and was size 8 in the waist. I had to have everything altered.

Sasha
 
I am sorry if I gave the impression that I thought the T-3 was a steroid. I know it is a thyroid medication. I just meant for him to get her off the T-3 altogether, as it can cause permanent thyroid damage if not taken properly which is a real concern as she seems to be inexperienced and does not look like she did alot of research. It appears that she is just going by what her boyfriend tells her and for females that can be dangerous when taking any kind of drugs.

With that said, you should definitely lower the dosage to 12.5mg EOD, as previously stated and see if her sides get better, if not it might be time for her to consider coming off, but that's up to her.
 
Saha - excuse me!

Fact: If it's working this fast on her, it's going to start building a brow ridge, thickening the jaw. This is PERMANENT.


I do not look like a neanderthal, even after test, deca, primo, winnie and anavar! I contol my doses and use AS very conservatively. So, to make blanket statements like that sounds like you work for partnership for a drug free america. And, if you used AS it wouldn't have taken half the efoort you put in, and you might have looked better! Not a flame, and not to say you don't look good. The point is we are a drug dependent society for everything we do. If you doubt that, the next time you go to the dentist, pass on the novicaine (cousin of cocaine).
 
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Snow White

I didn't take it as a flame. :good: I know I could look better. I am aware this topic is a very highly charged area, and I stuck my neck out as a newbie on this board. I hope no one took offense.

Everyone is different. Some people are androgen insensitive. Some people are androgen sensitive. Women who are androgen sensitive have to be more careful with them than those who aren't. What is low for some could be high for someone else.

KINGKONG69's girlfriend sounds like she's androgen sensitive. She's showing negative side effects. Depending upon dosage and sensitivity (which also depends upon age - the younger one is, usually the more sensitive one is), those effects can happen. I've seen it, though they don't show up in everyone.

If his girlfriend is very sensitive, she should stop and reassess things. She should get a baseline of where she is by getting the bloodwork done. I also believe anyone who is contemplating supplementing with anything like test, t-3, should find out what their own levels are and what their own thyroid function is before starting even if they want to do it without monitoring.

FWIW, There are doctors out there who will monitor a course of steroids. That way at least you're getting clean stuff, and you don't have to mess around with precursors hoping for results. And the precursors won't show up in IFBB blood tests. That normal testosterone range in women will be important for pro or amature competition.

Steroids should be monitored by a physician. That is MY PERSONAL OPINION. What one does on their own however is their own personal choice so long as they don't hurt anyone else, and in that respect I'm a civil libertarian.

Sasha
 
This is a terrific discussion and a great reason WHY it is so important to research and research and research before taking the plunge. ALSO Sasha is a perfect testament to what can be achieved by plain ol' HARD WORK! You look WONDERFUL Sasha! :D

I've seen guys especially get frustrated at us ladies here (and some mod's) when we start asking questions about current training, diet etc. But this is exactly the reason why. 95% of the major changes I've made in my body have been through eating enough and lifting heavy. I am still shocked and amazed by all the changes I made just by doing that. I've experimented with a/s 2 times - both positive experiences despite some sides of acne/scratchy throat etc - but only because I'd laid a good foundation already and I was willing to do the work it took to take advantage of a/s.

I can't recall offhand if KingK posted questions about his gf's cycle before starting. It seems to me he did but I've been known to have major brain fade.
 
KingK,
We experienced the same trouble you had finding Anavar. We tried for months and couldn't get any and ended up with powdered winny (or at least that’s what it is supposed to be) from Thailand. It wasn't too expensive, but it doesn't seem to be doing anything for my wife either.

I tried them first, just to make sure it wasn't Dbol or A-bombs ground up and relabeled. We were warned that that is a common practise by some of the overseas suppliers. They didn't make me swell up in a week like all the other androgens I ever had did, so we figured they were 'safe'.

After starting out at 2mg for a week and doubling the dose every week we are up to 20 mg eod with no sides. But, like I said earlier, she isn't getting any good affects either. We have about another weeks worth left, so I hope it 'kicks in' soon. Otherwise I guess we got scammed.

I hope things get straightened out with your lady. She sounds pretty headstrong, which I know first hand can be really difficult when you are trying to be cautious. Let her read over your shoulder here. That has helped us both of us greatly. Although my wife isn’t computer literate and won't post yet, she immensely enjoys learning from the others here.

Good luck with things.

BE
 
Nonsense

That stuff about your jaw bone growing is simply not true.

Maybe if you chew alot of gum or clench your teeth constantly you may experience slight jaw muscle growth.

I don't consider voice deepening to be a serious side, it happens 99% of the time, and your voice does bounce back though it will never be where it was before gear. But its a small price to pay for serious gains
 
Hmmm, AS prescribed by a doc and monitored by a doc and PAID for by insurance...this sounds like a good deal!
 
My first cycle was 10mg winny ED upping to 15mg ED for 4 weeks mid cycle, ended on 10 mg ED overlapping with 100mg primo per week for 6 weeks. At 15 mg ED my voice did feel a bit scratchy but that went away. Then I had 3 colds w/sore throat and tickly cough which lasted about 3 weeks. My voice has not recovered yet but I have an added complication - bulimia involving self-induce vomiting. This happening about twice a week and is much improved on my situation 3 or 4 years ago. I always had a deep voice anyway but the effects of sticking my fingers down my throat, sometimes until it bleeds is damaging both to my throat and my voice. Peopl around me blame the AS, I'm not sure but I am going to really try to stop the vomiting because I am really embarrassed about my voice - it is really croaky!
 
I agree with IG 100%!! There should be a concern if your girl is experiencing sides...that is not a question, but it is her choice as to how far she is willing to take things. Dosages should always....always start out very low and you need to test the waters. You can always up your dosages so remember that. Your girlfriend needs to be on this board..talking with other women and researching info, so she has the knowledge she needs. It is good to get info from women who have experiences and knowledge of the things she is using. And it is a great support system as well. Your voice is going to probably get a little deeper when on a cycle....it is a very COMMON side and should be expected. Drop her dosages and see how she reacts.....then it will be up to her to decide to continue, up her dosages, or quit all together. This is a serious decision and she needs to make sure she is 100% sure of what she is doing and how it will effect her down the road. What are her goals? Does she plan to compete?
 
just so you know, i did talk to some women on this board about this cycle 3 months or so ago. and it seemed to be common for a woman to take 25mg every other day, along with t-3. my girlfriend must be more sensative to the steriod like sasha said, but she wants to lower the dose, and give it a week. she isnt new to working out, she's 5'3", and 120lbs, at 15% bodyfat.
she weight trains 3 days a week, and does 30 minutes of cardio 4 times a week, along with a body pump class once a week.
her diet could use some improvement, its clean for the most part, but she only gets 3 meals a day in.
 
KK,
I hope that cutting down will work for her. Be sure to let us know how things progress and if the sides stay under control. We keep hearing very knowledgable folks argue back and forth whether mild initial sides from winny lighten or go away. I doubt that the vocal cords would change back, but it seems that if you catch it before the itching progresses too far that it should be almost unnoticeable in a lady that doesn't sing. Your additional first hand knowledge would be valued highly.

On a side note, I was told that Anavar is almost impossible to come by locally right now. Supposedly a big shipment in Florida got seized and that is where it comes to us from. Oh well, I guess we are stuck with the questionable Thai winny powder for the present. :mad: May be that it just isn't the right time for this now.

Good luck!

BE
 
HEY THERE BIG EASY, ILL DEFINATLY KEEP YOU POSTED ON WHAT HAPPENS. HER THROATS STILL SCRATCHY, BUT SHE SAYS ITS NOT BAD. BUT ITS HARD TO TELL HOW MUCH IT TAKES TO CHANGE HER VOICE.
AS FOR THE ANAVAR, ITS STILL AROUND, JUST TALK TO SOME VETS ON HERE, AND IM SURE THEY CAN HELP. MY GIRLFRIEND WILL DEFINATLY USE IT NEXT TIME.
 
KK,
I know earlier that you said you could not tell that she was having sides. Is that still the case or can you hear a drop in voice?

Yes, I know that anavar has got to be somewhere, it just isn't HERE! :bawling: As far as copping a source, I figured that it was bad form to be begging sources from the mods. Plus, most don't know me from Adams housecat, unless they go to AE, Gade, or UG.

Anyway, we are still very interested in how this turns out for your lady! Good luck.

BE
 
WELL WE STOPPED TAKING THE WINNY ALL TOGETHER 4 DAYS AGO. HER THROAT WAS STILL MESSIN WITH HER, AND WE DECIDED IT ISNT WORTH THE RISK.
WERE GONNA WAIT TILL WE GET SOME ANAVAR AND TRY THAT.
 
Sounds like a good plan. Did her voice drop, or she just feeling the scratchy, dry type stuff? Also, I can't remember...did you use the winny pills or injectable orally?

We are about to give up on the Anavar search and see if we can come up with winny instead. We have confirmed that the Thai stuff we had was a total fake! :bawling: Of course she didn't get any side affects from it either! Unless you consider a lighter wallet and pissy mood... LOL




BE
 
I dont think her voice changed, if it did, not enough to notice. she was taking powder winny oraly.
anyways, it wasnt worth it to keep going and risk perment side effects. ill start her on a low dose of anavar (5mg a day) in a month or so. ill let you know how it works on her. thanks for all your help.
 
KK,
Glad to hear that the probs never became noticable! We will keep our fingers crossed that the scratchy feeling goes away soon too!

BE
 
Hey King K

So King:

How'd it all work out? Did the sides all disappear? Did your lady end up on Anavar? Very interested to hear an update.

Wyst
 
well its been a couple months now, and she hasnt touched any gear. just working out and dieting which is working ok.
at first, i didnt think her voice has changed, but some of her friends from up north called the other day, and she hasnt talked to them in like 6 months. they didnt recognize her on the phone, and they said her voice sounds much deeper. so it definatly changed. she dont sound bad now, she had a high pitched voice to begin with, but still, im so happy she got off it when she did, no telling how much worse it could have gotten.
this happened on 25mg every other day.
be careful, these effects are permanent. theres no getting it back, we both learned a lesson.
 
Yes they are permanent.....My voice has permanently changed.....I am now hyprolactive due to winny, my metabolism is reset (and not for the better) I did not get my period for two yrs and if I had continued and my prolactin levels had raised any more I could of ended up sterile. Usually the condition is reversable but not always......You made a wise decision.

Star
 
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