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youngguns

youngguns

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Hey guys, I'm almost 20 years old now, I feel I am finally ready, I'm currently cutting some fat so when May1st comes, i'll be ready to inject.
Ok I'm ordering

Test E- Not sure how many bottles, but I want to do 750mg/w for 12 weeks.
I'm either going to take D-bol, or Anadrol for the first 4 weeks as well. What is more anabolic? Money is NO problem, so I want this to be the perfect cycle. I'm going to get some arimidex, how many come in a bottle? I'm going to get some letro, or nolva or Aromasin for AI? Clomid for pct? Thanks guys, I really appreciate all the help. I'M STOKED!
200lbs, 5'8'', going to cut until May hopefully stay above 195.
 
WEEKS 1-10.... 500mg per week. Enanthate or Cyp. Buy two bottles usually comes in 250mg or 300mg.

WEEKS 1-4 take about 10mg upon waking, 10mg around noon and then 10mg an hour or so before training.

I would use arimidex at .5 mg EOD. Its cheap and it works. Letro is too strong for what you are using.

Instead of bumping the test I would throw in deca at 300mg per week for 8 weeks if you MUST, but what you have already is fine...

PCT i would use HCG and clomid.

You'll be loving it.

Good luck
 
JuicedAthletics said:
WEEKS 1-10.... 500mg per week. Enanthate or Cyp. Buy two bottles usually comes in 250mg or 300mg.

WEEKS 1-4 take about 10mg upon waking, 10mg around noon and then 10mg an hour or so before training.

I would use arimidex at .5 mg EOD. Its cheap and it works. Letro is too strong for what you are using.

Instead of bumping the test I would throw in deca at 300mg per week for 8 weeks if you MUST, but what you have already is fine...

PCT i would use HCG and clomid.

You'll be loving it.

Good luck
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Great advice thank you very much. so instead of 750mgs of test you think I should go 500 and then 300mgs of deca? And 10 Weeks not 12? D-bol over anadrol?
 
LoL you should know exactly what you want to do before you just start ordering random things....
 
i don't guess there's any talking ya out of it is there? but just look at what you have done with ur nat test in 18mos y/g. you can improve ur diet get some more natty gains and hold off on the juice till ya get a little older. keep building that foundation, etc
 
Well its your first cycle bro.. Its not a race..
I think 750mg of test is ALOT. Give yourself something to work up to... 500mg is a really strong cycle..
the deca is your choice. I would rather see you throw another compound in there then up your test dose. You wont be hurting yourself with 300mg a week of deca.
10-12 weeks is just a matter of preference. I like to hit it hard and then back off. After 8-10 weeks my gains become stagnant and I lose motivation on my diet and training. I dont know how you train or eat, but I like to give myself a break every once in a while.
Dbol over drol because the sides are less harsh. Anadrol makes me feel like crap.. Awful headaches, I cant eat, I feel full all the time. Just very agitated. Dbol makes me feel like a champ.
 
ole farte' said:
i don't guess there's any talking ya out of it is there? but just look at what you have done with ur nat test in 18mos y/g. you can improve ur diet get some more natty gains and hold off on the juice till ya get a little older. keep building that foundation, etc
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I appreciate it man. I have done nothing but eat sleep in train for this time, if I had a LIFE and trained for this long, I might be 180lbs. What I'm trying to say is, to gain 10 more pounds of muscle its going to take me another year, two years for 15 lbs. I have gone pretty far without it, but I want to start competing soon. I am ready mentally.
 
First cycle

500mg test e or a blend if you can get one like susta or supertest 1-12wks
300 mg deca 1-9
50-75mg Winny 8-12 ed

AIFM thoughout. Adex on hand incase of gyno.

Eat clean and force feed yourself extra protien "not protien shake BS"

You will NEVER have better results than your first trip, enjy it..

If you want to go out of control 1st trip add test prop 100mg eod wks 1-3
 
500 test -e, 250 deca on my 8th wk and i'm +23lbs. got 2 more wks left. aifm 2pumps per day, no gyno at all. i'm loving it. got hcg and clomid and i am seriously thinking about cruising on 250. anyway, i would think that 500mg test would be enough for ya y/g since there's no stopping ya. just keep us up to date on the effects it has on you........
 
750mg test/wk for 12 weeks.
30-35mg dbol ed for weeks 1-4
AIFM @ 2-3 pumps/day (adjust accordingly) throughout cycle & PCT
clomid @ 50mg day weeks 15-17
 
youngguns said:
don't you think you should stop wrecking this thread?
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This thread was a train wreck at its inception. You have ignored advice on this forum since you got here, and now you are going to start a cycle at 750mg test per week, your first cycle? You aren't even 20 yet.
 
bro we all know you are gonna do what you wanna do. I guess at least you are running by these guys what you are gonna do. If i could have done it over i would have just done test e 500mg ew for 12 weeks
i think that if you save the multiple compounds for later you will get reall good results later...
I did 600mg ew for 1-15 weeks...I loved it...now when i use 2 or 3 compounds i get serious results
hopefully you will get blood work done
 
redguru said:
This thread was a train wreck at its inception. You have ignored advice on this forum since you got here, and now you are going to start a cycle at 750mg test per week, your first cycle? You aren't even 20 yet.
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no shit. i guess theres a reason this dude is always bombed. i think this is the first time ive been able to read what hes written without having to highlite it.
 
redguru said:
This thread was a train wreck at its inception. You have ignored advice on this forum since you got here, and now you are going to start a cycle at 750mg test per week, your first cycle? You aren't even 20 yet.
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+1

besides he needs to get his attitude in check, being on AAS will increase his temper and its shitty as it is!
 
redguru said:
This thread was a train wreck at its inception. You have ignored advice on this forum since you got here, and now you are going to start a cycle at 750mg test per week, your first cycle? You aren't even 20 yet.
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yes , i will be 20.
 
By the questions you asked bro, you have done no leg work into this arena. You are plat. You could have searched this. There are a number of threads on first cycles. And yes 750 mg ew of test is too much. And yes you diet is not in check as per your video. And yes you are too young to juice. But I forget, you know it all with your vast worldly experience, so why even make a thread asking what to do? Shouldn't you know better than any of us?
 
I forget who it was but a very high respected bro on this board recomended to do 1000mgs of test their first cycle and everyone at the time thought it was a good idea.
 
I agree with Juicedathletics. 20 is pretty young though but if your mind is made up, i'd do exactly what Juicedathletics said. Definately no need to go over 500mg of test IMO for first cycle.
 
Inhibitor13 said:
who was it that said it?
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Ulter, and after he said it, all the "sheep" on the board was recommending for people to run 1gram a week. Funny how some people on here can say something and all the sheep will follow.
 
if he is gonna run a cycle for competitions deca probly aint gonna be good since it is easy to detect. bet EVERYONE is right by saying you DONT need to exceed 500mg a week for your 1st cycle. and your not even 20yrs yet. but if your gonna do it anyway then do some more research and maybe add some EQ with your test as it wont be detectable as long and it is a mild aas with good results as long as it is run correctley
 
Inhibitor13 said:
I forget who it was but a very high respected bro on this board recomended to do 1000mgs of test their first cycle and everyone at the time thought it was a good idea.
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and to Old fart, actually Ulter did. I only took information from this site, if it wasn't for elite, I wouldn't know a thing. Anyone could be in my shoes and be talking to a well respected member of this site. Is it my fault to beleive someone who was that respected??
 
youngguns said:
and to Old fart, actually Ulter did. I only took information from this site, if it wasn't for elite, I wouldn't know a thing. Anyone could be in my shoes and be talking to a well respected member of this site. Is it my fault to beleive someone who was that respected??
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Do what juicedathletics said and you'll be very pleased. Damn, you got some enemies here. :worried:
 
digger said:
Plat or not, I am going to ask Rick to ban this guy. I do not want the site associated with someone who is about to do something this stupid.
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and there was much rejoicing.


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srf173 said:
And look when he joined.
He's a C&Cer.
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Fuck that, I think i can speak for the the C&C crowd, we aren't claiming him. I post in all the forums and he's nothing but a troll. Time for him to go the way of Division and Fonz.
 
youngguns said:
and to Old fart, actually Ulter did. I only took information from this site, if it wasn't for elite, I wouldn't know a thing. Anyone could be in my shoes and be talking to a well respected member of this site. Is it my fault to beleive someone who was that respected??
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well, not calling you a liar y/g so don't take it that way but i'd have to see the thread. i know he has rec'd a 1st cycle of 1,000mg to guys with Mature muscle and who are hellbent on making pro bb a career. i believe he also said not to throw alot of other compounds in there with it though.
 
youngguns said:
Oh no, this has turned into a drama thread. Please refrain from such blasphemy.
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aaawwwww fffuuuuccckkk yyyooouuuuu yyyoooouuunnngggggunnnsss!!!!!!
stop posting you fagget no one wants to read what you have to say!!
you're better off injecting 500mg of rat poison you fucking duchbag!!
 
redguru said:
This thread was a train wreck at its inception. You have ignored advice on this forum since you got here, and now you are going to start a cycle at 750mg test per week, your first cycle? You aren't even 20 yet.
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yea dude honestly, 750 is too much first time around. my first cycle was sust 250/week. That was lame knowing what i know now about sust, but i still gained 19 pounds and kept 13. plus, since yer young, you still have high nat test, running 750 a week might fuck that up permanently, even after your HPTA returns to normal. you may have nat test of a 50 yr old man at 20 which would hinder your natural gains while off. Consider 500 a good place to start for a well experienced bodybuilder's (maybe athlete) first cycle, which is what a lot of these guys are. I promise you would make 20 lbs 5 weeks in if you know what your doing with 300-400 / wk.
 
ulter is a good bro on my book,and yes he said that,but he only recomended that to bro's that been training for years and hit there natural limits ,you dont have to agree with him on that... i have my opinion on that, 500mg of test for 10 weeks is good for a newbie ,but ulter did nothing but share his knowlege with us... and i appreciate good brothas like him ...
 
ulter said:
A first cycle should be a gram of test. With an AI. You only have one chance at a first cycle and sides of 500mg aren't much different than 1000mg but the gains difference is tremendous.
That said, youngguns should not be doing a first cycle in the first place. This first cycle is for someone with a good deal of mature muscle mass. Not a 19 year old.
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looks like ulter didn't recommend that for you.
 
Re: Ulter...

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It takes about 3 or 4 years of real good training to get mature muscle mass at minimum. Some guys it takes 5 or more because they don't train religiously.


I have been training 1.5+ years RELIGIOUSLY, I beleive I have mature muscle mass.
 
youngguns said:
Re: Ulter...

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It takes about 3 or 4 years of real good training to get mature muscle mass at minimum. Some guys it takes 5 or more because they don't train religiously.


I have been training 1.5+ years RELIGIOUSLY, I beleive I have mature muscle mass.
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You are a fucking tool.
 
youngguns said:
Re: Ulter...

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It takes about 3 or 4 years of real good training to get mature muscle mass at minimum. Some guys it takes 5 or more because they don't train religiously.


I have been training 1.5+ years RELIGIOUSLY, I beleive I have mature muscle mass.
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I thought i was right on this. Ulter told you not to even start a cycle .
 
ole farte' said:
I thought i was right on this. Ulter told you not to even start a cycle .
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He did not know how long I had been trainng for. I started powerlifting in grade 11, I did it for 4 months, so if you want to get technical, I have been training for 4 years.
 
redguru said:
You are a fucking tool.
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I don't know why you hate life so much. But I can outlift you in any aspect of lifting, I have bigger measurements that you do, what more do you want? I have happy with my hieght, and I want to compete asap. You do the calculations.
 
youngguns said:
He did not know how long I had been trainng for. I started powerlifting in grade 11, I did it for 4 months, so if you want to get technical, I have been training for 4 years.
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give me patience lord.
 
What's up with all asshole replies? Sure, he may be too young, but if his mind is made up, at least help him out or tell him he's too young or just don't reply. Absolutely nothing wrong with his post here. Maybe he has other posts you don't like but nothing is wrong with this one. Why jump all over him. Man this board has went to shit lately.
 
pentatonic said:
What's up with all asshole replies? Sure, he may be too young, but if his mind is made up, at least help him out or tell him he's too young or just don't reply. Absolutely nothing wrong with his post here. Maybe he has other posts you don't like but nothing is wrong with this one. Why jump all over him. Man this board has went to shit lately.
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Agreed man, the past week I have made great threads, and not been an immature bum like some other times, yet Rudguru thinks he's my cell guard... :rolleyes:
 
pentatonic said:
What's up with all asshole replies? Sure, he may be too young, but if his mind is made up, at least help him out or tell him he's too young or just don't reply. Absolutely nothing wrong with his post here. Maybe he has other posts you don't like but nothing is wrong with this one. Why jump all over him. Man this board has went to shit lately.
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I agree with you 100%, there is nothing wrong with This thread of his.
 
youngguns said:
I don't know why you hate life so much. But I can outlift you in any aspect of lifting, I have bigger measurements that you do, what more do you want? I have happy with my hieght, and I want to compete asap. You do the calculations.
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I squatted ATF 400lbs for reps Monday, and will be Romanian deadlifting the same, 5x5 today. Sorry, I don't do bi and tri sets. Everything about you has to be a pissing contest. You do what you want. We know you already do.
 
redguru said:
I squatted ATF 400lbs for reps Monday, and will be Romanian deadlifting the same, 5x5 today. Sorry, I don't do bi and tri sets. Everything about you has to be a pissing contest. You do what you want. We know you already do.
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Let's see a pic? I just gathered this because you NEVER Talk about training, nor does your profile pic look like you've ever touched a weight.
No it's not a pissing contest, but if you come out and start talking where you have no right to even be looking, I'm going to stand my ground.
 
pentatonic said:
What's up with all asshole replies? Sure, he may be too young, but if his mind is made up, at least help him out or tell him he's too young or just don't reply. Absolutely nothing wrong with his post here. Maybe he has other posts you don't like but nothing is wrong with this one. Why jump all over him. Man this board has went to shit lately.
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Seriously stop jumping the kids bones about shit, I thought this forum was for sharing knowledge and advice, not to flame peoples thread.

The fact remains youngguns IS too young to juice, but it's his life and his body.

If you read this post youngguns try to understand some people get frustrated when they see someone young doing something that can potentially fuck them up for the rest of their lives.

But if you do decide to do your cycle, good luck, I hope everything works out.

My first cycle was 600mg of deca for 10 weeks.

My second cycle which I havnt done yet will be 10 more weeks of deca + sust250.
 
Work Sucks said:
Seriously stop jumping the kids bones about shit, I thought this forum was for sharing knowledge and advice, not to flame peoples thread.

The fact remains youngguns IS too young to juice, but it's his life and his body.

If you read this post youngguns try to understand some people get frustrated when they see someone young doing something that can potentially fuck them up for the rest of their lives.

But if you do decide to do your cycle, good luck, I hope everything works out.

My first cycle was 600mg of deca for 10 weeks.

My second cycle which I havnt done yet will be 10 more weeks of deca + sust250.
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you know... i feel the same way, till he says shit like this


[QUTOE=]Let's see a pic? I just gathered this because you NEVER Talk about training, nor does your profile pic look like you've ever touched a weight.
No it's not a pissing contest, but if you come out and start talking where you have no right to even be looking, I'm going to stand my ground.[/QUOTE]
 
digit0x said:
you know... i feel the same way, till he says shit like this


[QUTOE=]Let's see a pic? I just gathered this because you NEVER Talk about training, nor does your profile pic look like you've ever touched a weight.
No it's not a pissing contest, but if you come out and start talking where you have no right to even be looking, I'm going to stand my ground.
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Probably has right to be a little defensive, his post didn't call for any of the drama that was brought about. Hell, even a Mod threatened to ban him, all he asked was advice for a cycle.
 
pentatonic said:
Probably has right to be a little defensive, his post didn't call for any of the drama that was brought about. Hell, even a Mod threatened to ban him, all he asked was advice for a cycle.
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Read back through some of his threads on this forum. Or, for that matter, posts on other people's threads. He even claimed ulter advised him to take 1000mg of test weekly, when ulter specifically said that advice wasn't for youngguns. He really doesn't want advice as noted by his responses to the first posts on this thread arguing against going over 500mg/weekly.
 
Well he is young, think back to being 19 yearsold, I'm sure you didnt listen to other people either, I've read this entire thead, and honestly, youngguns didnt really do or say anything to provolk any flames.

Why couldnt people have been more grown up and just posted the fact's about his situation and AAS ? instead everyone flames youngguns thread and basically picked a fight with him.
 
no, he's been an idiot most of the time. in multiple forums (not just C&C, where being stupid is more acceptable). even though he's not the only one to blame, because most people here on EF are stupid, he does get off on it. if you've seen the same shit over and over, you don't have to give the kid a clean slate just because this is a new thread. he's been reading and posting in this forum for several months. he could (and perhaps does) know better. i'm sure there are other teenagers who come here looking for information and advice, but i doubt most of them are fools with attitude problems. if you see a 16 year old kid communicating with humility and intelligence, a 19/20 year old has no excuse. there's a difference between being ignorant and being stupid (or even belligerently and intentionally stupid).

some people are less familiar with his shit, so they won't get the context. you might, for example, be forgiven for thinking that jkurz1 is also a real, sane person that is worth responding to. but only if you've read less than 10 of his posts.
 
jackangel said:
no, he's been an idiot most of the time. in multiple forums (not just C&C, where being stupid is more acceptable). even though he's not the only one to blame, because most people here on EF are stupid, he does get off on it. if you've seen the same shit over and over, you don't have to give the kid a clean slate just because this is a new thread. he's been reading and posting in this forum for several months. he could (and perhaps does) know better. i'm sure there are other teenagers who come here looking for information and advice, but i doubt most of them are fools with attitude problems. if you see a 16 year old kid communicating with humility and intelligence, a 19/20 year old has no excuse. there's a difference between being ignorant and being stupid (or even belligerently and intentionally stupid).

some people are less familiar with his shit, so they won't get the context. you might, for example, be forgiven for thinking that jkurz1 is also a real, sane person that is worth responding to. but only if you've read less than 10 of his posts.
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You're a funny guy, no sarcasum intended, I'll take your word for it, I'm new to these forums, so I dont know whose who yet.
 
jackangel said:
no, he's been an idiot most of the time. in multiple forums (not just C&C, where being stupid is more acceptable). even though he's not the only one to blame, because most people here on EF are stupid, he does get off on it. if you've seen the same shit over and over, you don't have to give the kid a clean slate just because this is a new thread. he's been reading and posting in this forum for several months. he could (and perhaps does) know better. i'm sure there are other teenagers who come here looking for information and advice, but i doubt most of them are fools with attitude problems. if you see a 16 year old kid communicating with humility and intelligence, a 19/20 year old has no excuse. there's a difference between being ignorant and being stupid (or even belligerently and intentionally stupid).

some people are less familiar with his shit, so they won't get the context. you might, for example, be forgiven for thinking that jkurz1 is also a real, sane person that is worth responding to. but only if you've read less than 10 of his posts.
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I haven't read his other threads, most are blacked out and too much drama to read through so I just stay clear. Just thought it was bad seeing people bash him in this thread because it was basically a clean post.
 
pentatonic said:
I haven't read his other threads, most are blacked out and too much drama to read through so I just stay clear. Just thought it was bad seeing people bash him in this thread because it was basically a clean post.
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I do agree fully, I guess people here dont forgive and forget.
 
i just hate canadians. except for needsize. and nate. and seashell. and and, that other guy.

but i'm skinny, so my opinion doesn't count. i'm going on a youngguns bulker, though...milk and oats and powder like a motherfucker. i'll see you nugs at 220 lbs and 30% bf in 18 months.
 
jackangel said:
i just hate canadians. except for needsize. and nate. and seashell. and and, that other guy.

but i'm skinny, so my opinion doesn't count. i'm going on a youngguns bulker, though...milk and oats and powder like a motherfucker. i'll see you nugs at 220 lbs and 30% bf in 18 months.
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lol, and just watch the award winning youngguns nutrition video if you've got any questions.
 
JuicedAthletics said:
Well its your first cycle bro.. Its not a race..
I think 750mg of test is ALOT. Give yourself something to work up to... 500mg is a really strong cycle..
the deca is your choice. I would rather see you throw another compound in there then up your test dose. You wont be hurting yourself with 300mg a week of deca.
10-12 weeks is just a matter of preference. I like to hit it hard and then back off. After 8-10 weeks my gains become stagnant and I lose motivation on my diet and training. I dont know how you train or eat, but I like to give myself a break every once in a while.
Dbol over drol because the sides are less harsh. Anadrol makes me feel like crap.. Awful headaches, I cant eat, I feel full all the time. Just very agitated. Dbol makes me feel like a champ.
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Good Post!!! Good reccomendation for you Y/G if you decide to start AS.
 
If it takes a solid 3-4 years to obtain muscle maturity and you've been chugging at it for 1.5 your barely half way there. MEANING, you shoul put another 1.5-2.5yrs under ur belt before hopping on the sauce. It will only be that much better when you do go on. Just please don't for now.
 
redguru said:
Fuck that, I think i can speak for the the C&C crowd, we aren't claiming him. I post in all the forums and he's nothing but a troll. Time for him to go the way of Division and Fonz.
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Agreed.
 
youngguns said:
I don't know why you hate life so much. But I can outlift you in any aspect of lifting, I have bigger measurements that you do, what more do you want? I have happy with my hieght, and I want to compete asap. You do the calculations.
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And what, exactly, are your mesurements? Of course, the fact that you are a short little twat needs to be taken into account, as does your high BF%... So, honestly, what are your REAL stats, douchebag?? Oh, and I've met peeps from here that can back up my stats. What about you?
 
beefcake28 said:
And what, exactly, are your mesurements? Of course, the fact that you are a short little twat needs to be taken into account, as does your high BF%... So, honestly, what are your REAL stats, douchebag?? Oh, and I've met peeps from here that can back up what I say. What about you?
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Those are my stats you immature asshole.
 
youngguns said:
Those are my stats you immature asshole.
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What are your measurements? I mean, besides that you are a 5'8" (lmao!!), 200#, fatass... what else have you given? Arm, leg, chest, etc. measurements? Indulge us, please, Captain Maturity.

:rolleyes:
 
youngguns said:
All stats cold, 34" waist, 16.5 arms, 26inch legs, 16.5 calves, 48 inch chest.
You sound like a superb person making fun of me at 5'8'' :rolleyes:
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Did you have a point? Didn't think so. You act like you are bigger than everyone else. You aren't. Not even close... That said, those are good stats for a 19 year old. I'll give ya credit for that...

In all seriousness, wait to hit the gear. I started lifting at 14 years old, and didn't hit my natural peak till 23 or 24. Only then did I hit the sauce. You'll do what you want, but I'd say wait a bit. You won't regret it in the long run...
 
Before this gets really out of hand, I just wanted to add a couple things..
Younguns..
My first cycle was when I was 19 years old. I took about 8 weeks of deca at 200mg and I put on 30 or so pounds. After my month of clomid for PCT I kept about 20 or so pounds. The reason, I say this is because you do not need to go crazy with the gear. Save the high doses for when you need it. I am 6'1 always under 10%BF hover around 225-230. I dont like to go over 750mg of test. You dont truly understand how much that raises your levels until you get blood work done.

Keep it simple. for a single compound stay under 500mg of test. If you want a kickstart add 20-25mg of dbol for 3-4 weeks.
Do your PCT and enjoy the ride.

You will be back for more so see what you can accomplish with the least amount of harm to your body..
 
beefcake28 said:
Did you have a point? Didn't think so. You act like you are bigger than everyone else. You aren't. Not even close... That said, those are good stats for a 19 year old. I'll give ya credit for that...

In all seriousness, wait to hit the gear. I started lifting at 14 years old, and didn't hit my natural peak till 23 or 24. Only then did I hit the sauce. You'll do what you want, but I'd say wait a bit. You won't regret it in the long run...
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What were your stats before you started to juice?
 
youngguns said:
What were your stats before you started to juice?
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6'3", 215#. I started out at 6'2", 155#....So, I had naturally put on 60# (of muscle, no change in BF%) before hitting the sauce... but, here's the more important difference: I had been lifting for 10 years already (I never missed more than a week of countinuously working out), not 1 1/2 years. Give it a little more time, bro. You still have a ways to go naturally. Take advantage of that, seriously.
 
I think youngguns has a good frame and is physically matured enough to start saucin. I mean don't get me wrong his diets a little off, and his bf% is somewhat high, but he seems to be dedicated and it shows somewhat by his diet/lifting knowledge.

I started juicing when I was 17, and didn't know shit, I got fat and lost all of my gains due to the lack of knowledge. After I learned how to use anabolics/androgenics right I have maintained all of my strength and have made incredible gains. I think if he doesn't become a scene up in AAS forum he can really learn alot and help create the physique he wants.

Test E is a great first cycle, a gram a week seems high for a first, hell, I don't even take in that much a week and i've done at least a dozen. Either or 500mg-1000mg it will be the same side effects like ulter said but its better to understand how your body will react to the test on you first run thats why I think it should be somewhere around 300-400mg every stick (e4d).
 
al420 said:
YG is ruining it for the rest of Canada, eh. I won't even speak to Tweakle any longer - I figured they had freaks like this kid pretty well hemmed-up.
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celebrities are the most hated people, do you know any? go figure. :rolleyes: more popular the more hated.
 
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