Mid cycle - need advice for pct

[aqux]

Hi!

Im 7 weeks in on a 12 week cycle.
My stack and dosage are as follow:
Week 1-5 (250mg test E every 5. day)
Week 1-5 (20-30mg diana, mostly 30)
Week 6-12 (500mg test E every week)
Week 6-12 (500mg primo every week)
Week 1-12 (Adex 0,5 every 3. day mostly, but also a little more if I feel like it)

Im taking a lot of herbs and other supplement to lower shbg, have a general good health and to protect my liver (milk thistle, artichoke,etc).

I only have nolva and adex for pct (Im not sure about using adex in pct, heard mixed experience with it).

But I want to use HCG for week 10-13 and then also clomid in pct beside nolva. I also have some natural test boosting supplements ready for pct and the time after.

What will be a good pct protocol for me? Im living in norway so I dont want to import Hcggenerate and that kind of stuff as it is illegal here and I´ve already been busted for importing illegal substances before, but got away with it...

Also thinking of tapering off test the last week or two, or switching to test prop last two weeks. Is it anything to that approach?

I know Im late in planning pct, but there is still some time. Greatly appreciate your help!

 

[stevesmi]

forget the stupid hcg. it doesn't help, it hurts

you need to use a T booster with your SERM in pct or you will feel like shit. n2bm should ship to norway fine..

 

[Lev Butlerov]

As for the PCT, the one you were planning is definitely too weak, especially for such a serious cycle. And it makes no sense to run such a cycle without a proper PCT. Why can't you import HCGenerate? It has nothing illegal in it - it is a natural supplement, which has nothing at all that could be considered even remotely illegal. Only if in Norway they ban dandelion tea....

Regarding the HCG, I would not use HCG, neither on cycle, nor off cycle, since its benefits are definitely not worth all the risks. It can cause such side effects as gyno and suppression, and it will barely do anything for your natural testosterone production. In fact, it only mimics the functions of LH and FSH, but it will not actually make them work. As a result, you will get an increased level of testosterone only while you take HCG, which will drop back down as soon as you stop using it. Therefore, it would make sense to use something that will cause less side effects and actually do something for your natural testosterone production. For instance, you can use HCGenerate ES - it will keep the plums big and functioning during the cycle, and it will be a great help for natural testosterone production during PCT, since it will make LH and FSH actually work. As a result, your body will keep producing testosterone even after you stop taking it. However, unlike HCG, it will not cause any side effects at all, and it is more convenient, since it is taken orally. Besides, the libido boost from HCGenerate ES is a sight to see.

 

[muskate]

I recommend everyone follow the perfect PCT after each steroid cycle -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/perfect-pct-simplified!-49252.html


The perfect PCT is arguably the best PCT protocol you can run. It is comprised of the SERMS clomid and nolvadex, the AI aromasin, HCGenerate ES (a good natural testosterone booster), N2guard (a liver/organ detox supplement) and the SARMS ostarine and cardarine.


• Clomid and Nolvadex increase levels of LH and FSH in the body, which increase free testosterone levels.
• An aromatize inhibitor will prevent testosterone from aromatizing into estrogen and prevent side effects like gynocemastia and water retention.
• A natural testosterone booster (like HCGenerate ES) will signal the leydig cells in the testicles to restart testosterone production.
• A liver/organ detox supplement (like N2guard) will help cleanse the liver and kidney, regulate blood pressure and balance cholesterol levels.
• Ostarine will prevent muscle loss during a PCT when the body is catabolic from the increased cortisol levels and low anabolic hormones.
• Cardarine will prevent fat gain during a PCT protocol when hormones are low and cortisol levels are high.

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

I would simplify the cycle. Just run the test at 500mg per week and primo 500mg per week throughout. Drop the HCG all together. Run the perfect PCT afterwards.

 

[aqux]

Okei, tnx guys! I have checked out the products you recommended and see that I have most of the ingredients ready for the test boosting part and liver/organ detox. I will get clomid and run it with nolva. I have already started taking the detox supplements as I quit Diana almost 3 weeks ago. When should I start taking the test boosting supplements? And for how long?

What remains is Ostarine and Cardarine. I am strict with my diet and usually dont add much fat in my off season / pct... maybe just 1 or 2 % up in fat, so that is not regarded as a problem from my part. But I am more concerned about keeping muscle mass. How good is Ostarine at keeping this, and is it legal to import or is it regarded as a drug?

Also...Aromasin is very hard to get hands on in Norway. I would love to use it instead of arimidex in pct... But will arimidex work if I dont get aromasin?

 

[aqux]

Here is my current shape btw Got 4 weeks left of primo and test

 

[Lev Butlerov]

Okei, tnx guys! I have checked out the products you recommended and see that I have most of the ingredients ready for the test boosting part and liver/organ detox. I will get clomid and run it with nolva. I have already started taking the detox supplements as I quit Diana almost 3 weeks ago. When should I start taking the test boosting supplements? And for how long?

What remains is Ostarine and Cardarine. I am strict with my diet and usually dont add much fat in my off season / pct... maybe just 1 or 2 % up in fat, so that is not regarded as a problem from my part. But I am more concerned about keeping muscle mass. How good is Ostarine at keeping this, and is it legal to import or is it regarded as a drug?

Also...Aromasin is very hard to get hands on in Norway. I would love to use it instead of arimidex in pct... But will arimidex work if I dont get aromasin?

You are in one amazing shape bro - great work!

Per your questions. It is best to take the test boosters as soon as you stop taking the AAS, so you will already be taking them while waiting for the PCT to start. Then keep on using them throughout the PCT.

Both Ostarine and Cardarine are great anti-catabolics, so they will maintain your muscle mass even in the most catabolic of the situations. Hence their enormous benefit on PCT. Sarms1 deliver them internationally, and they do so in a very discreet manner, so nobody will ever know that it is Ostarine. I always get the SARMS from them sent to Germany with no problems at all.

Arimidex can work instead of aromasin, but you would be losing a ton of benefits. Ag-guys deliver internationally - I am pretty sure they will be able to figure something out.

 

[stevesmi]

^^ bud you look great.. i can't believe you ran test and dbol and still look shredded

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

Holy fuck man, you are in fantastic shape! That takes real dedication to look like that.