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Member john-c-calhoun and His Confederate Flag Avatar

Is The Confederate Flag Offensive As An Avatar?

  • Yes, its offensive

    Votes: 3 10.7%

  • No, it's not offensive

    Votes: 25 89.3%
  • Total voters
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What is there to discuss? :confused:

No more offensive than a moderator's handle telling us to fuck off / take it in the ass in Italian.

Devil's Advocate +1
 
Stoßtruppe said:
What is there to discuss? :confused:

No more offensive than a moderator's handle telling us to fuck off / take it in the ass in Italian.

Devil's Advocate +1
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but that moderater, whoever he is :angel: is telling everyone that. now if his handle said "fuck off negros" that would be different. and about exactly comparable.

so I can put you in the "no problem" column I guess
 
Mavafanculo said:
but that moderater, whoever he is :angel: is telling everyone that. now if his handle said "fuck off negros" that would be different. and about exactly comparable.

so I can put you in the "no problem" column I guess
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start a poll
 
Mavafanculo said:
but that moderater, whoever he is :angel: is telling everyone that. now if his handle said "fuck off negros" that would be different. and about exactly comparable.

so I can put you in the "no problem" column I guess
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Is that what it says?
 
maybe he loves the south. maybe john c. calhoun was really proficient at reacharounds, and that's what this member is all about.

i personally hope he has a little hate for jnevin, though.
 
jnevin said:
Who cares? What do someone's personal beliefs matter on a steroid message board?
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cept that avatar is the very symbol of racism and slavery to blacks as I understand it.

If I have that part wrong, which I dont think i do, then sure.

if someone made a username "Hitler" with a swastika avatar, what would be your opinion?

or here, ur Irish - an avatar with a potatoe and a line going tru it. what then lol
 
Mavafanculo said:
cept that avatar is the very symbol of racism and slavery to blacks as I understand it.

If I have that part wrong, which I dont think i do, then sure.

if someone made a username "Hitler" with a swastika avatar, what would be your opinion?

or here, ur Irish - an avatar with a potatoe and a line going tru it. what then lol




If someone made a username
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That flag isn't a symbol of racism, it's part of the south's history. Some people take it seriously. Not all wish slayery was still in existence. It's part of American culture, like it or not. The name... whatever. Right up there with the eyetalian assfuck handle. If people don't like it, they can put him on ignore.
 
jnevin said:
That flag isn't a symbol of racism, it's part of the south's history. Some people take it seriously. Not all wish slayery was still in existence. It's part of American culture, like it or not. The name... whatever. Right up there with the eyetalian assfuck handle. If people don't like it, they can put him on ignore.
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the avatar is offensive imo, the username just clarifies exactly what the member means the avatar to symbolize
 
Mavafanculo said:
the avatar is offensive imo, the username just clarifies exactly what the member means the avatar to symbolize
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How is the flag offensive? It's on toys that are sold all over (General Lee) and is part of a number of southern states' flags.
 
A Confederate flag is only offensive if the extent of your civil war knowledge is what you were taught in third grade.
 
Mavafanculo said:
so I can put you in the "no problem" column I guess
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There is absolutely nothing hosted on the internet that I can take offence to or feel outraged about because it is strangers interacting via an anonymous medium - it carries no weight. I do possess empathy and know if something's in "bad taste" but it'll never bother me to the point where I'd petition a forum admin or website host ISP to take action.

If the person's handle was "Ihaten*****s* and he had a public lynching avatar to boot then obviously I'd understand why said person was banned because if he was not, then the website / forum would be passively condoning racism, complaints would flood the ISP and you'd be shut down.
 
MightyMouse69 said:
an the anti-Christian anti-Catholic threads aren't? Never thought of you as a fuktard but your working on it.
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make your own thread re those issues. what does that have to do with this.

fuktard? run out of substance to respond with ?

try disagreeing without being disagreeable.
 
Mavafanculo said:
make your own thread re those issues. what does that have to do with this.

fuktard? run out of substance ? try disagreeing without being disagreeable.
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same issue...its pathetic

where is your post defending others?
 
In addition, I think all serious attacks on people because of their race, religion, or sexual preference is offensive and pathetic...

The only thing that is worse are those that defend one and allow another, it shows a total lack of integrity.
 
jnevin said:
How is the flag offensive? It's on toys that are sold all over (General Lee) and is part of a number of southern states' flags.
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one by one all of those are being contested or removed for exactly the reason I'm talking about. its still out there tho ur right
 
MightyMouse69 said:
same issue...its pathetic, you and the Mods and admins here allow Christian bashing but now your crying...

where is your post defending others? your transparent so are many others here.
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ur the one who's crying - I'm discussing the issue. or trying to. you keep trying to toss insults or discuss me, mods, admins, christians, everything but THIS issue.

whats your opinion on THIS issue. And try attacking the opinion and not the presenter of the opinion
 
Mavafanculo said:
ur the one who's crying - I'm discussing the issue. or trying to. you keep trying to toss insults or discuss me, mods, admins, christians, everything but THIS issue.

whats your opinion on THIS issue. try attacking the opinion and not the presenter of the opinion
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You ignored my post above, I stated my position...

"I think all serious attacks on people because of their race, religion, or sexual preference is offensive and pathetic...

The only thing that is worse are those that defend one and allow another, it shows a total lack of integrity."

Funny you don't seem to support my position.

Do you support anti-Christian threads?
 
Basically, people see what they want to when they look at it. A lot of southerners look at it with pride because they associate it with the south's rebellion against the north's political dominance. It seems people with more liberal views want to see it as a racist symbol. Lincoln didn't start the war to end slavery, only the spread of it. The south rebelled because they felt their rights were at stake. Granted, the right to own slaves isn't exactly the most noble thing to base a war on, but at the time it was normal and was how their lives and businesses were structured.
 
MightyMouse69 said:
You ignored my post above, I stated my position...

"I think all serious attacks on people because of their race, religion, or sexual preference is offensive and pathetic...

The only thing that is worse are those that defend one and allow another, it shows a total lack of integrity."

Funny you don't seem to support my position.

Do you support anti-Christian threads?
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I agree with the bolded part.

who is defending one and allowing another? its not analogous.

one is a discussion thread with debate on all sides, one is an avatar offending with every post.

the equivilent would be a username "God Sucks" with a Piss-christ avatar. and yes, I would find that offensive (even tho I'm not religious ).
 
Mavafanculo said:
I agree with the bolded part.

who is defending one and allowing another? its not analogous.

one is a discussion thread with debate on all sides, one is an avatar offending with every post.

the equivilent would be a username "God Sucks" with a Piss-christ avatar. and yes, I would find that offensive.
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then we agree, sorry for calling you a fuktard in training.
 
While we're at it, can I petition admin to remove the Irish tricolour from peoples' profiles as well as many in the UK deem this to be a symbol of Republican terrorism and as such people sporting said symbol as condoning IRA terrorism / bombings against mainland UK.
 
Stoßtruppe said:
While we're at it, can I petition admin to remove the Irish tricolour from peoples' profiles as well as many in the UK deem this to be a symbol of Republican terrorism and as such people sporting said symbol as condoning IRA terrorism / bombings against mainland UK.
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Niggawhat? I'll put a grenade in your haggis.
 
MightyMouse69 said:
then we agree, sorry for calling you a fuktard in training.
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just a clarification - I wouldnt find the piss-christ avatar "offensive", but "objectionable" for the same reason - that it would be offensive to so many others who are on the board.

still on the same side?
 
Mavafanculo said:
just a clarification - I wouldnt find the piss-christ avatar "offensive", but "objectionable" for the same reason - that it would be offensive to so many others who are on the board.

still on the same side?
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Yes, I find people who have to tear down others because they are a different race/ethnicity, practice a different religion, or don't agree with their sexuality to be sad and pathetic individuals.
 
MightyMouse69 said:
Yes, I find people who have to tear down others because they are a different race/ethnicity, practice a different religion, or don't agree with their sexuality to be sad and pathetic individuals.
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I rely upon everything you type.
 
btw MM - offtopic for another thread not here, but did you read that roger stone, a repub operative who worked for Bruno handed the FBI a dossier with all the details about spitzers hooker habit a year ago- down to the factoid that he liked to keep his socks on lol. 2 snakes trying to destroy each other lol.
 
Has anyone bothered to ask john-c-calhoun his reasons for choice of user name and avatar (not defending him).
 
Mavafanculo said:
cept that avatar is the very symbol of racism and slavery to blacks as I understand it.

If I have that part wrong, which I dont think i do, then sure.

if someone made a username "Hitler" with a swastika avatar, what would be your opinion?

or here, ur Irish - an avatar with a potatoe and a line going tru it. what then lol
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There's a book that I can't remember the name of and my old friend who went to Howard University which is a historic black university even studied this guy.

A black man marched around the south holding a confederate flag because he supported what the South's succession was really about.

There were many and I mean MANY blacks who voluntarily joined the confederacy because they disagreed with the federal government becoming so powerful.

The real reason the south succeeded was because they were in favor of states rights just as the forefathers of this country were.

It wasn't about slavery until Lincoln and his staff realized that the North was not behind the war. there were riots in NY because of the draft because most disagreed with the war.

You need to pick up a history book that hasn't been tainted by the federal government. The shit they teach you in High school is flt wrong
 
Jefferson Davis the prez of the confederacy wife was from Jersey
she's buried in town
 
I believe he was proud that many Blacks fought and died under the confederate flag, not sure that is a good reason - but that was his position.
 
8and20 said:
Has anyone bothered to ask john-c-calhoun his reasons for choice of user name and avatar (not defending him).
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Pardon my ignorance, but who in the sam hill is john-c-calhoun?
 
Mavafanculo said:
John C Calhoun was a VP pre Civil War best known as being a strong proponent of slavery -- viewd it as "... a positive good, not a neccessary evil".

served as a major inspiration to the seccessionists.

discuss. in the year 2008.


http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/members/john-c-calhoun.html
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IMO that was 200 years ago. Heck, we have a racist black man running for president now and the nation loves it. We have local black power crazies organizing voter drives getting illegal signed up to vote and people who complain are called racists.

This country is a shit hole.
 
ppl use this site as a medium to buy and sell steroids....why have any rules at all? there is an HIV forum with bug chases on elite and yet ppl still worry over avatars lol
 
penis_vien said:
ppl use this site as a medium to buy and sell steroids....why have any rules at all? there is an HIV forum with bug chases on elite and yet ppl still worry over avatars lol
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Where's your avatar?
 
meh

Nothing's shocking anymore. Give him enough rope to hang himself.
 
all i wanna know is why it's okay for AAP to say outrageous things about jesus and christianity but a measly confederate flag is so controversial?
mind you, i don't want AAP censured in anyway, but it's such a flagrant double standard.
look at AAP's sig for christsake, yet we're supposed to feel bad about a confederate flag, wtf mava
 
Bino said:
all i wanna know is why it's okay for AAP to say outrageous things about jesus and christianity but a measly confederate flag is so controversial?
mind you, i don't want AAP censured in anyway, but it's such a flagrant double standard.
look at AAP's sig for christsake, yet we're supposed to feel bad about a confederate flag, wtf mava
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There are many stereotypes and messed up things said in C&C. Like how many threads take a poke at Muslims? I'm Muslim and it annoys me. Many threads take a poke at Christians too. I think everyone should respect everyone else and only go so far. A confederate flag is really not worth getting hassled over, especially when I see a thread about "Muslim" being stereotypes as suicide bombers.
 
Not offensive to me at all. I see it as Southern Pride not a racist flag. Strange how the confederate flag is racist but a black panther flag isn't?

"Sorry I ruined your black panther party".
 
the_alcatraz said:
There are many stereotypes and messed up things said in C&C. Like how many threads take a poke at Muslims? I'm Muslim and it annoys me. Many threads take a poke at Christians too. I think everyone should respect everyone else and only go so far. A confederate flag is really not worth getting hassled over, especially when I see a thread about "Muslim" being stereotypes as suicide bombers.
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there is some xenophobia for sure.
 
Bino said:
there is some xenophobia for sure.
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Xenophobia is a fear or contempt of that which is foreign or unknown, especially of strangers or foreign people.[1] It comes from the Greek words ξένος (xenos), meaning "foreigner," "stranger," and φόβος (phobos), meaning "fear." The term is typically used to describe fear or dislike of foreigners or in general of people different from oneself.

Additionally, in the science fiction genre, xenophobia may refer to a fear or hatred of extraterrestrial cultures or beings.

:heart:
 
8and20 said:
just a member here that recently posted about the KKK openly endorsing Obama.
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yeh, I found out who it was. I saw his thread. That's old news anyways. Thanks for the update.
 
Its not offensive its heritage...yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
 
i actually see dumbasses in michigan flying the confed flag
fucking idiots! in yankee country!
 
Bino said:
i actually see dumbasses in michigan flying the confed flag
fucking idiots! in yankee country!
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Yeah a few years back I worked with a guy that was hardcore southern pride and he had a big rebel flag tattoo on his shoulder and arm. I'm from the south but he was a racist to any MALE not white. He of course loved all women so he was just ignorant. So one day I realized I never asked him where he was "borned and raised". He was always asking me questions about back home but he had never answered my question. So I pressed him and come to find out the yankee was from frigin WISCONSIN. He got REALLY mad when I couldn't stop laughing, and I thought he was gonna hit me when I started making cheese jokes. Frigin wannabe.

And FYI for those of you that think the KKK and the rebel flag mean racism, here is a little history lesson for you. The American flag (stars and stripes) was used in klan rallies and marches LONG before the stars and bars were.

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/kkk_1925.jpg

And for those of you that THINK you are educated on the history of the confederate flag, take a little read on this page. It will at least educate you IF you are open minded enough to read it.

http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/kkk.htm

On this page scroll down and take a look at the photos. Notice the one with the big red circle on it?
 
rykertest said:
Yeah a few years back I worked with a guy that was hardcore southern pride and he had a big rebel flag tattoo on his shoulder and arm. I'm from the south but he was a racist to any MALE not white. He of course loved all women so he was just ignorant. So one day I realized I never asked him where he was "borned and raised". He was always asking me questions about back home but he had never answered my question. So I pressed him and come to find out the yankee was from frigin WISCONSIN. He got REALLY mad when I couldn't stop laughing, and I thought he was gonna hit me when I started making cheese jokes. Frigin wannabe.

And FYI for those of you that think the KKK and the rebel flag mean racism, here is a little history lesson for you. The American flag (stars and stripes) was used in klan rallies and marches LONG before the stars and bars were.

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/kkk_1925.jpg

And for those of you that THINK you are educated on the history of the confederate flag, take a little read on this page. It will at least educate you IF you are open minded enough to read it.

http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/kkk.htm

On this page scroll down and take a look at the photos. Notice the one with the big red circle on it?
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*in snotty teenage voice* That's not what my junior high history book said. :rolleyes:
 
Stoßtruppe said:
No more offensive than a moderator's handle telling us to fuck off / take it in the ass in Italian.
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That's not what the nic 'c00per' means at all.
 
Delinquent said:
There's a book that I can't remember the name of and my old friend who went to Howard University which is a historic black university even studied this guy.

A black man marched around the south holding a confederate flag because he supported what the South's succession was really about.

There were many and I mean MANY blacks who voluntarily joined the confederacy because they disagreed with the federal government becoming so powerful.

The real reason the south succeeded was because they were in favor of states rights just as the forefathers of this country were.

It wasn't about slavery until Lincoln and his staff realized that the North was not behind the war. there were riots in NY because of the draft because most disagreed with the war.

You need to pick up a history book that hasn't been tainted by the federal government. The shit they teach you in High school is flt wrong
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Yeah and I was pissed when they took santy claus out of the history books. Damn federal goverment!!!!!
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
[SIZE=1[B]]*in snotty teenage voice*[/[/B]SIZE] That's not what my junior high history book said. :rolleyes:
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i just got a boner from that


and you can nitpick the technicalities all you want, the stars and bars is offensive to black peeps.
 
vagina_vien said:
ppl use this site as a medium to buy and sell steroids....why have any rules at all? there is an HIV forum with bug chases on elite and yet ppl still worry over avatars lol
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WTF did you say?!?!?!?!?!?
 
the_alcatraz said:
There are many stereotypes and messed up things said in C&C. Like how many threads take a poke at Muslims? I'm Muslim and it annoys me. Many threads take a poke at Christians too. I think everyone should respect everyone else and only go so far. A confederate flag is really not worth getting hassled over, especially when I see a thread about "Muslim" being stereotypes as suicide bombers.
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oh......
 
the_alcatraz said:
Xenophobia is a fear or contempt of that which is foreign or unknown, especially of strangers or foreign people.[1] It comes from the Greek words ξένος (xenos), meaning "foreigner," "stranger," and φόβος (phobos), meaning "fear." The term is typically used to describe fear or dislike of foreigners or in general of people different from oneself.

Additionally, in the science fiction genre, xenophobia may refer to a fear or hatred of extraterrestrial cultures or beings.

:heart:
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Muslims do blow shit up.
 
Stoßtruppe said:
While we're at it, can I petition admin to remove the Irish tricolour from peoples' profiles as well as many in the UK deem this to be a symbol of Republican terrorism and as such people sporting said symbol as condoning IRA terrorism / bombings against mainland UK.
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I know your post is facetious in context, but orange does represent the loyalist sympathies, while green, the republican. White is considered the hopeful reconciliation between the two.



"William won the Battle of the Boyne and James retreated to Dublin saying that he would never lead an Irish army again. He fled to France but his troops continued to fight Williams. The war finally ended at the Battle of Aughrim in 1691. Penal laws were subsequently imposed upon the Irish Catholics as a result, despite Williams’ wishes for tolerance. The Battle of the Boyne was significant because it cemented the Protestant cause in Ireland, tied England to the country and resulted in persecution against the native Irish Catholics (despite Williams protests).

In conclusion, William of Orange’s reign impacted greatly on the subsequent English monarchy. His legacy of tolerance was however not heeded – Catholics continued to be persecuted. His victories in Ireland prevented France’s ambition for European domination and Williams’ victory at the Battle of the Boyne is still celebrated by Protestants and Orangemen in Ulster and Scotland annually on the 12th July."
 
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I knew the Duke boys had good in their hearts.
 
Delinquent said:
There's a book that I can't remember the name of and my old friend who went to Howard University which is a historic black university even studied this guy.

A black man marched around the south holding a confederate flag because he supported what the South's succession was really about.

There were many and I mean MANY blacks who voluntarily joined the confederacy because they disagreed with the federal government becoming so powerful.

The real reason the south succeeded was because they were in favor of states rights just as the forefathers of this country were.

It wasn't about slavery until Lincoln and his staff realized that the North was not behind the war. there were riots in NY because of the draft because most disagreed with the war.

You need to pick up a history book that hasn't been tainted by the federal government. The shit they teach you in High school is flt wrong
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This is absolutely correct. Another factor was the agrarian south was diverging from the industrializing north. Oil and water there, and they didn't mix. Even their railroad tracks were incompatible. So if you can't trade, have societies based on different values, and a large federal government being imposed by the north wants to take over and set the agenda for the entire nation, what else would you expect? The issue of slavery was probably #3 or #4 on the list of reasons for the civil war -- at best.
 
Delinquent said:
There's a book that I can't remember the name of and my old friend who went to Howard University which is a historic black university even studied this guy.

A black man marched around the south holding a confederate flag because he supported what the South's succession was really about.

There were many and I mean MANY blacks who voluntarily joined the confederacy because they disagreed with the federal government becoming so powerful.

The real reason the south succeeded was because they were in favor of states rights just as the forefathers of this country were.

It wasn't about slavery until Lincoln and his staff realized that the North was not behind the war. there were riots in NY because of the draft because most disagreed with the war.

You need to pick up a history book that hasn't been tainted by the federal government. The shit they teach you in High school is flt wrong
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southern slaves were well treated-mostly considered family
 
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