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Freak Show

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I need to branch out a little from bodybuilding. I want a new discipline to follow. I once tried an Indonesian form of martial arts for about 6 months called Pencak Silat (heard of it?). It was perfect for me cuz it dealt with situations you may have to face in real life. Disarming assailants, wrist locks, joint destruction. Nothing pretty but extremely effective. Unfortunately, I moved and that was the only place that it could be found. Anything you know of that sounds similar? I've heard a little about jiu jitsu, what do you guys know about it? Thanks.
 
I have seen some Pencak Silat and I think its kind of cool and it looks interesting, and jiu jitsu is alright I guess but I am not in to throwing and grappling styles of martial arts I myself have practiced karate and Shaolin kung fu, and the Shaolin Kung Fu was the best, if you want to start with some martial art I highly recommend it... :)
 
What up kak muh fucka, for real muh fucka! God I love that song. What can you tell me about tae kwon do? What kind of style is it? Is there big round house kicks and shit? I'm not lookin for pretty, more extreme.

Thanks for the tip Max. Can you tell me something a little more specific about karate and kung fu? I know its a vague question but I really don't know much about any of em. I guess I'm wondering if its more for tournament stuff or self defense. Like I told Kak, I want something really intense and disciplined. Thanks bro.
 
Tae Kwon Do isn't what you're looking for. I have a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and Tang Soo Do. I was into all that when I was a kid. Sounds to me like you'd be more interested in the grappling arts like judo, jiu jitsu, aikido and the likes. They are more practical for self-defense purposes. Karate and Kung-Fu are mostly just flashy movements in my opinion and more spiritual.
 
I think aikido would be a good fit.
Tae kwon do seems really straight forward.

Could spend the rest of your life on kung fu and only know the f'in chicken dance.
 
Latimer said:
Tae Kwon Do isn't what you're looking for. I have a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and Tang Soo Do. I was into all that when I was a kid. Sounds to me like you'd be more interested in the grappling arts like judo, jiu jitsu, aikido and the likes. They are more practical for self-defense purposes. Karate and Kung-Fu are mostly just flashy movements in my opinion and more spiritual.
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Shaolin Kung Fu is one of the most diciplinded styles around, it is spiritual and that is good, if you want to become good then you must give it all.

Shaolin Kung Fu is comesfrom the Shaolin province in China and im sure you have seen the monks praticing it, in some styles of Shaolin Kung Fu there are animal styles like The Tiger, The Snake and so on, but the one that i praticed was Just regular stances. After a couple of years of training with a good master a practicer will be very good. I know.

in the begining we used to stretch for 30-45 min per training session and i used to train 3-5times a week. Its a lot of kicking and punching :D...

If you want something really intense and disciplined then SHAOLIN Kung Fu is the thing....

Latimer: Tae Kwon Do is like that flashy, almost any fight with a Shaolin Praticer and a Tae Kwon Do praticer Will end in a victory for the Kung Fu fighter.... Shaolin Kung Fu isnt about beeing flashy.
 
whassup freak i got some advice for ya

ive never taken silat but i know some about it and i say jiu jitsu is for you its popular right now because of the gracie family and a lot of people are teaching it. now be careful, why? because its popular and a lot of people are teaching it. check refereces and ties to larger schools or associations any one can say they are teaching kungfu or karate and make up thier own documentation and its legal. also look for jeet kune do and any martial arts with range specific training as in : weapon range , long range(punch kick), trapping range(not all range arts have this one), and close or grappling range(sometimes divided into standing/throwing and ground grappling). the ecclectic martial arts are the best i like jeet kune do because they take the best martial arts and incorporate the art into thier art jeet kune do today(its always changing) is a mixture of boxing, escrima, tai kickboxing, shoot wrestling, jiu jitsu, savate and other arts and it is very rational and real world.

just my opinion
oh i was a bouncer and a street fighter in my youth and i took karate but when i was exposed to a range specific training regimen i truly learned how to fight and yet i havent been in a streetfight in 6 or 7 years. oh one more thing in boxing the ref makes them unclinch right so even if both combatants are trained in boxing the combat would still devolve to grappling unless a ref was there. on the street theres no ref.

dams i ought to put that in my sig

"on the street theres no ref"
 
Max, Latimer, Cleaner: that was exactly what I was lookin for. Thanks, you just made this easier.

Acneman-stellar advice! Thanks for the heads up! Now I just have to find a place around me that offers jeet kune do or jiu jitsu.

Why are you leavin me hangin MOD??? Tell me more about Shotokan!:)
 
wow all this happened while i was writing my last response ive got something to say

no art is useless how many people would like to fight an experienced boxer.

ok if you look past the flash that one sees from the outside you will find more in all the arts when i was young it was tang soo do for me and i janked the shotokan guys and fought a lot of them, this is bullshit. if you talk to any competant practitioner of any art you will find rational and effective self defense for all ranges and even boxers who street fight will know how to deal with a grab or attempted throw.

lets just agree to disagree without disrespecting anyones art i think that is bad because if you cant respect someones martial art then you can not learn from them

if you say kung fu is bullshit then i challenge you to say that to someone like bruce lee
if you say that tae kwon do is bullshit i challenge you to say that to bill superfoot wallace.
if you say im full of bullshit then mabey so but this time IM RIGHT.

"on the street there is no ref"
 
im sorry for keeping on with this i gotta say one more thing

it seems like i was jankin on karate in my first post then defending it later

no i feel that the multi range specific arts are better because one learns effectiveness on the street faster

FASTER. not that you dont become effective in the others if you get to that level

i didnt get to that level in karate

im not saying i was a puss, far from it but im glad i didnt have to fight for my life against an experienced martial artist i was a punk and fought other punks so i was good ...... for a punk. i felt that if i choked someone i was cheating. not anymore and if i fought on the street today and i saw a stick sitting on the ground i would use that also. so...


peace to all the arts


"on the street there is no ref"
 
maxellyz said:



Latimer: Tae Kwon Do is like that flashy, almost any fight with a Shaolin Praticer and a Tae Kwon Do praticer Will end in a victory for the Kung Fu fighter.... Shaolin Kung Fu isnt about beeing flashy.
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I think that NHB fighting competitions have proved that grappling styles ranging from BJJ to Wrestling appear to be the most effective in hand to hand combat. The competitors are cross-training in many different arts and taking what works from each discipline (basically JKD in the sense that Bruce Lee described it). For self-defense purposes I'd go with a grappling style coupled with a striking style, Western Boxing perhaps.

I don't take anything away from any Martial Arts discipline. It all depends what you're training for and what you get from it. I do feel that it is a waste of time to study the "flashy" high kicks and jumping strikes that are predominate in most Eastern styles as far as combat training goes. Bruce Lee even said that kicks above the waist are dangerous in real fights and usually fail and end up leaving you wide open for a counterstrike.

The reason kicks were so popular in Asian arts is because they were typically a smaller breed of people and couldn't generate much power from their arms and turned to the legs to generate the high powered blows.
 
Aikido is strictly Self Desense oriented IMO.
No competitions or sparring.
Lots of Wrist locks, breaking from holds and take downs.
Main goal is to reDirect the attacker without direct contact.
You must Learn flexibility and how to correctly fall first.

Find a School that does NOT stress the mystical, Chi and Mental aspects of Aikido.
 
Latimer said
The reason kicks were so popular in Asian arts is because they were typically a smaller breed of people and couldn't generate much power from their arms and turned to the legs to generate the high powered blows.

What???? who were they fighting, bigfoot?

im sorry they used it to fight eachother so all things being equal why is thier arm strength not enough

boxing saturday night an asian gave a hispanic a mouse on his eye that looked like he had a ping pong ball under his eyelid. because he was small and weak?

also if you study martial history you would learn that periodically a style comes along and challenges all to fight and wins. right now its jiu jitsu true but a hundred years ago it was wing chun a while back it was karate (and they beat all the jiu jitsu guys too) why is this ?

as time goes on a champion will arise and with that person of exceptional talent as teacher or fighter or both there will be a revelution in that style and all the very good warriors in that style will be elevated in thier ability by association with that great champion. silat and escrima are two arts to watch for a new guy on the street soon.

well soon means 10 to 20 years who knows

"on the street there is no ref"
 
take pencration,it is ultimate fighting ,the shit ken shamrock does,my one buddy won canadian nationals in that and another buddy just took the american chamionship,its well worth it,you learn throws,grappling,sticking,everything you want,nobody would wanna fuck with you
 
acneman said:
Latimer said
The reason kicks were so popular in Asian arts is because they WERE typically a smaller breed of people and couldn't generate much power from their arms and turned to the legs to generate the high powered blows.

What???? who were they fighting, bigfoot?

im sorry they used it to fight eachother so all things being equal why is thier arm strength not enough

boxing saturday night an asian gave a hispanic a mouse on his eye that looked like he had a ping pong ball under his eyelid. because he was small and weak?

also if you study martial history you would learn that periodically a style comes along and challenges all to fight and wins. right now its jiu jitsu true but a hundred years ago it was wing chun a while back it was karate (and they beat all the jiu jitsu guys too) why is this ?
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They needed the powerful blows (kicks) to quickly incapacitate their enemies. They weren't fighting for a purse back then, they were fighting for survival.

Speaking of history, back when the Eastern arts were first being devoloped and widely practiced (15th century), wouldn't you agree that people in general were a lot smaller than the average person today? Now consider the asian people with their lack of resources, their unbalanced diet and the famines. They tended to be even smaller than the average European man back then and to this day are still slightly smaller.

I'm not trying to compare disciplines or argue which is best. I was just giving Freak Show my recommendations for a discipline(s) based on the criteria he expressed in his initial post.
 
Also, the Legs are longer than the arms and that keeps the Opponent at a farther distance.
Tae Kwon Do seems to be the most popular art right now for some reason.

Do a Search on the Web for Martial Art Styles and there are lost of sites comparing the differences and Similarities to each... Good luck
 
The_RAIDER said:
Also, the Legs are longer than the arms and that keeps the Opponent at a farther distance.
Tae Kwon Do seems to be the most popular art right now for some reason.

Do a Search on the Web for Martial Art Styles and there are lost of sites comparing the differences and Similarities to each... Good luck
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The reason is probably cause the styles are based on 80-90% kicking techniques and like we have said it looks flashy and that's what people want.... :)
 
I've posted before about this Guy that's been doing Aikido for years.
He amazes me every time he shows me something real simple.
For Instance, he will ask you to grab his wrist. As you go to grab it, a split second before contact he has rotated his wrist a few degrees and already getting the wrist lock behind your back in motion.
Even when I do it again and know what he is gonna do, it still does not matter.

If you come up and try to hit him with your open palm in the chest(easier for demo than a fist) he deflects it just enough to harmelessly pass the hit out to his side.
Again, even knowing what he is gonna do and I think I'm ready for it, It still is deflected somehow... Too cool!
 
As a 15 year practitioner of Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan, I can highly recommend this martial art to a beginner. This form of martial art, although similar to Tae Kwon Do, is far more disciplined and focuses equally on hand and kicking techniques. We also teach a variety of Hap Ki Do techniques (refered to as Ho Sin Sul or "self-defense" techniques in our school). Furthermore, you will learn balance, distance control, power control, breathing control, as well as many other valuable aspects of martial arts training that are often not touched on until much later in other forms of martial arts.

Concerning the comments on Shaolin Kung Fu practitioners winning most competitions, I find that Tae Kwon Do artists almost hand's down take the most trophies from a competition. Tae Kwon Do is a competition oriented martial art, Kung Fu is not. Shaolin Kung Fu is also a generic term, there are hundreds of styles out there that are very different from each other.

In fact, Tang Soo Do is a combination of Chinese Kempo, and Northern and Southern Shaolin styles (so in a way Tang Soo Do, and it's descendant Tae Kwon Do are forms of Kung Fu, which simply means "skill" in Chinese).

In my opinion, all martial arts are equal under good instructors and dedicated students, but Tang Soo Do will make your body more supple if you intend to continue with other martial arts training.
 
My back ground not that it matter is in wrestling, judo for the throws and boxing...I learned of the other arts out of interest but will never pay anyone to teach me what I feel should be a gift. I despise the commercialism of these arts.

My beef with Kung Fu is that animal arts require way to long to master and might or might not be all that. I don't want to spend years learning the one to find out it wasn't all that great,

Tae - seems cool because of the bases around the standard moves. Learn the meat and potatoes and then go from there. So your getting a good base right away.

Aikido - seem great and I tell everyone it cool, because its totally defensive.
 
LeviathanX said:


Concerning the comments on Shaolin Kung Fu practitioners winning most competitions, I find that Tae Kwon Do artists almost hand's down take the most trophies from a competition. Tae Kwon Do is a competition oriented martial art, Kung Fu is not. Shaolin Kung Fu is also a generic term, there are hundreds of styles out there that are very different from each other.
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Like U said there are hundreds of different styles so you cant say that kung fu isn't competition oriented our club holds or participates in about 7-10 competitions per year and almost always takes home best club awards. Plus my master is the coach for the national team in Sweden and they have numerous medals from World and European Championships.....
 
Well... one thing that almost every Kung-Fu style has in common (except Shaolin Long Fist and Wushu), is that they are in-fighting arts. In other words they don't have an effective way of dealing with a Tae Kwon Do or Muay Thai artist when they are outside of the kicking and punching range.

I have seen many very experienced and skilled Kung-Fu martial artists do very well in tournament competition. But, IN GENERAL, a very experienced Tae Kwon Do artist tends to win against a very experienced Kung-Fu artist in competition (maybe not on the street).

In its favor, I find Kung-Fu forms (especially Wushu) to be some of the most beautiful and complicated forms in the martial arts world. Unfortunately, for some reason at most competitions I attend Kung-Fu artists don't win forms competition because it is they are being judged at as harshly as everyone else, but are performing a much more difficult form. When I judge, I try to judge to the level of the form.
 
Acneman, I agree with you 100%. I myself am half asian and half white. The theory about
asians being too small to pack a wallop is pure speculation. As of now, I'm 5' 10'' 206 with
~15% bf. Back in high school I was an amatuer boxer, and at age 16, I was ranked 9th
overall in California for the junior welterweight division: 140lbs (I was really 155, but with
all the diuretics, water flushing, sweating, sauna, etc. we did before the weigh in). in fact,
boxing got me a scholarship to a Cal-State University.

Anyway, acneman is right. When you streetfight, the is no one to break it up. It's anything
goes, and usually after a few punches land, it's all groundfighting. IMO, the best martial arts
would be some type of shoot-fighting/groundfighting. Look at how the grapplers dominate
those ultimate fighting events.

Personally, I haven't fought in years, except for once about a year ago, when two drunken
marines at a jack in the box took on a friend and myself and got beat down. other than that,
I think fighting is something that should be left for high-school kids.
 
Shotokan, i took it since i was 7-15 i stopped it last summer since i needed to concentrate on my studies, i earned my 1st degree blackbelt and was about to go for my second degree test but school was starting so it was a nono, sucks though, i never finished below silver in both fighting and forms. :D


~WizKid :kaioken:
 
A learned man once went to a Zen teacher to inquire about Zen. As the Zen teacher explained, the learned man would frequently interrupt him with remarks like, "Oh, yes, we have that too...." and so on.

Finally the Zen teacher stopped talking and began to serve tea to the learned man. He poured the cup full, and then kept pouring until the cup overflowed.

"Enough!" the learned man once more interrupted. "No more can go into the cup!"

"Indeed, I see," answered the Zen teacher. "If you do not first empty the cup, how can you taste my cup of tea?"
 
BigPhysicsBastard said:
medals and trophies mean nothing on the street. Why is it so many people turn to competition success to try to legitimize their art? On the street there are no refs and no "rounds"........fights last seconds, not minutes. If you don't train to take someone out within seconds of the initiation of the fight, you will not do well in a real fight. Find an art, or more specifically a teacher, that focus's on teaching you how to win a fight, not a tournament.
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Kung fu works on the streets trust me :D
 
At best, styles are merely parts dissected from a unitary whole. All styles require adjustment, partiality, denials, condemnation and a lot of self- justification. The solutions they purport to provide are the very cause of the problem, because they limit and interfere with our natural growth and obstruct the way to genuine understanding. Divisive by nature, styles keep men 'apart' from each other rather than 'unite' them.
 
SHOTOKAN KARATE, KENPO, ISSHYINRYU, SHORINRYU ARE ALL AROUND GOOD SYSTEMS

TAE KWON DO = SUX

JU JITSU = GOOD FOR THE GROUND GAME

JUDO = GOOD FOR ESCAPING HOLDS

HAPKIDO = GOOD FOR JUST HAND WORK, A FEW HOLDS

AIKIDO = NO STRIKES, BASICALLY COUNTERS AND A FEW HOLDS, NOT REALLY COMBAT READY

KUNG FU = GOOD AFTER LEARNING FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS

MUAY THAI KICKBOXING = STREET READY COMBAT SYSTEM

MMA = STREET FIGHTING, GROUNDGAME, DIRTY TRICKS, GOOD FOR IMMEDIATE IMPLEMENTATION, GIVES GOOD ALL AROUND FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON

IF ID RECOMMEND ANYTHING ID SAY GO WITH SHOTOKAN TO START OUT, AFTER A YEAR YOU WILL HAVE TRICKS TO USE ON THE STREETS, ONCE YOU GET A HIGH RANK IN THIS SYSTEM VIRTUALLY ALL OTHER SYSTEMS WILL PLAY OFF OF THIS TRAINING.
 
BPB,
How do you check references and backgrounds on instructors to make sure they are worth it? This sounds like a good idea but I don't have the faintest idea how. Thanks.
 
i dont like all them crazy chinese names so i would probably stick with regular boxing. however, the fighting style i hear the best things about is that shit from kickboxer called muoy thai. people seem to think thats the best for kicking real ass.
 
IMHO, it's the student that determines success with any art. The best student might not be very brave and might hesitate in the moment of truth, whereas a brave newbie might react quickly knowing only a few moves and beat the more experienced fighter. Sun Tzu: 'a battle is won or lost before it is even fought'. If the mindset is not there, no art will be represented at it's potential.

I've heard this said in a movie, and I think it holds true:
An artist finally finished his carving of a magnificent statue after years of patient attention. When asked by others how he was able to create such an extraordinary thing of beauty he replied, "the statue was already there in that piece of marble...I just chipped away the rough edges." Martial arts chip away the rough edges, the quality of the statue remains to be seen.
 
Thank you, I'm glad someone else realizes just how effective an elbow can be.

By the way, Does anybody know the name of the martial art that combines Muay Thai with throws.
Is it called San Soo??
 
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The_RAIDER said:
Aikido is strictly Self Desense oriented IMO.
No competitions or sparring.
Lots of Wrist locks, breaking from holds and take downs.
Main goal is to reDirect the attacker without direct contact.
You must Learn flexibility and how to correctly fall first.

Find a School that does NOT stress the mystical, Chi and Mental aspects of Aikido.
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You are correct sir, there are different trains of thought depending on who you go to and what form of Akido is taught depending on the organization that school is with. Some teach more on the spiritual aspects of Akido almost as a Buddhist type religion and some go as far extreme to the other side towards strictly combat like Aki-Ju-jistu (sp?) Akido but with breaking movements of Ju-jitsu.

All movements in Akido are done in a spherical motion design by it's founder O'sensei Morihei Usehiba to use your attackers energy against himself without expending your own energy to defend. There are also defense techniques against weapons but again nothing offensive. If your into a very spiritual form of self defense than this is a good choice. Where I went they also taught healing/first-aid, and meditation techniques. The benefits to this art is unlimited but there's no glory in it for the serious competitor.
 
maxbiceps and latimer

ok last one

Divisive by nature, styles keep men 'apart' from each other rather than 'unite' them.


latimer i finaly agree with one thing you said in my akido school many people left when the head instructor halted people from meeting before class to practice escrima and western boxing.

ranking blue in akido i left (just when it was getting good)
thank you for the web url cool site
and last your opinion on what our friend should take is well taken only the disrespectful way you discussed the arts you dont like is in question but it appears to me everyone on the thread are becoming more tolerant of others arts.

peace brother and keep following the path.


max you and i are on the same page except one you wouldnt have this problem because of your background but lets put a purist wrestler against a western boxer or karate practitioner

what happens : if the wrestler wins he takes a lot of punishment coming in from long range to grapple range and being a wrestling purist (mabey college greco) mabey never gets past the punch that he has poor tools to deal with. my point is only to consider the range theory (a better purist wrestler would perhaps take 1 to 0 punches on his entry but were talking average practitioners but even an untrained man can usually come to a grab even against an ok boxer so who knows) and i agree about the highschool shit while i must say i have raised my hand against my fellow man in the past 7 years i do not consider them fights because it was my job and duty to do so. only one shove to a man that shoved me first as far as personal violence.
 
BigPhysicsBastard said:
maxellyz.....trust me, I know exactly what a good Kung-Fu instructor can make you capable of in a street fight. But my point was, that even Kung-Fu can be useless when taught by a sack of shit. It all comes down to the instructor........always!!!
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Yes that is very true :)
 
OK, as chairman and instructor of my own academies with 15+ years of experience in most styles here is my advice.
Most people will tell you their style is the best. It is only natural. However to truly become a competant fighter it is important to broaden your skills and look at many different styles. I would look for a good hardcore mixed martial arts class. One that employs distance striking, close up striking and grappling, trapping, locks, ground fighting and weapons defences. All of these are needed on the street and a club that also works real life situations would also be of benefeit. As you said Pecan Silat or even Kali Silat is very street orientated and you liked that so you will like MMA. Many clubs are going this way now and expanding into different areas so fighters are not limited to one particular style only but you will have to look hard for a quality class as many are also jumping on the bandwaggon, claiming to be freestyle but teaching predominantly one style.
 
Just for clarification, it is Penjak Silat (or Pentjak Silat).

One thing most people don't seem to understand is that many martial arts systems have strong connections that you begin to notice as you progress through the ranks. The martial art I've practiced for the past 15 years, Tang Soo Do, is a Korean martial art with Okinawan and Chinese origins. As you progress you find that the martial art has aspects of both an internal and an external martial art, and begins to incorporate joint locks and grappling moves, and so on.

I believe this is the same in many other martial arts.

In my opinion, a master of any art is "street-fighting" ready if they have dedicated themselves to training and have a good instructor.
 
Re: maxbiceps and latimer

acneman said:

max you and i are on the same page except one you wouldnt have this problem because of your background but lets put a purist wrestler against a western boxer or karate practitioner

what happens : if the wrestler wins he takes a lot of punishment coming in from long range to grapple range and being a wrestling purist (mabey college greco) mabey never gets past the punch that he has poor tools to deal with. my point is only to consider the range theory (a better purist wrestler would perhaps take 1 to 0 punches on his entry but were talking average practitioners but even an untrained man can usually come to a grab even against an ok boxer so who knows) and i agree about the highschool shit while i must say i have raised my hand against my fellow man in the past 7 years i do not consider them fights because it was my job and duty to do so. only one shove to a man that shoved me first as far as personal violence.
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Exactly....A decent grappler can take out a really good boxer almost any day.
Remember, boxing is not "self defense," it is a sport, at least that's what I
did it for. In any sport, there are rules, regulations, and referees, to break it
up. When you street fight, it's a whole differnt story. All that shit goes out
the window. Chances are you are drunk anyway.

The best way to prepare yourself for street fighting is to take an art that
most closely relates to it, i.e. grappling, shootfighting, jui jitsu, etc. We've
all seen what royce gracie and ken shamrock do to much larger opponents.
It's just fucking amazing.
 
I haven't read most of this but I would say go into either TAekwando or jui jitsu ( I can't spell) My dad got 3rd at the ATA grand nationals in 1980, he is still a real good fighter.
 
Hmm... Mike Tyson versus Royce Gracie. My money is on Tyson, eventhough I've seen Royce Gracie fight many times and defeat people much bigger than him in the UFC and other bouts, I just don't think he could take out Tyson without being knocked out first.

However, I DO think Bruce Lee could beat Tyson since they are both "standing" fighters. Unfortunately, that fight can never take place.
 
LeviathanX said:
Hmm... Mike Tyson versus Royce Gracie. My money is on Tyson, eventhough I've seen Royce Gracie fight many times and defeat people much bigger than him in the UFC and other bouts, I just don't think he could take out Tyson without being knocked out first.

However, I DO think Bruce Lee could beat Tyson since they are both "standing" fighters. Unfortunately, that fight can never take place.
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I hope you're kidding. What's all the mystique surrounding bruce lee? If he fought
tyson one on one, in a ring and all, he'd get his head smashed off.

When your'e a "striker" (as opposed to grappler), size does matter. it's not all skill and
quickness. How many times would bruce have to land a punch/kick to knock out tyson?
probably a lot. How many punches would tyson have to land to take out lee? Probably
just one.
 
How did I know that this thread would degenerate into a "best martial arts" thread before I even clicked on it? Oh, maybe because I have been reading MA newslists and forums since 1993 and questions like "Which Martial Art is best for me" always end up getting responses like MA X is better than MA Y.

Being a self-defense instructor I just find this topic TOO OLD, and TOO TIRING to be worthy of any comment or even discussion.

hardgainer (so what?)
 
MaxBiceps said:
When your'e a "striker" (as opposed to grappler), size does matter. it's not all skill and
quickness. How many times would bruce have to land a punch/kick to knock out tyson?
probably a lot. How many punches would tyson have to land to take out lee? Probably
just one.
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First of all, BigPhysicsBastard was describing Bruce Lee's famous 2-Inch punch in the previous post. In martial arts, the focus is on generating as much power from your body and focusing it into a very small area. Bruce Lee could knockout Tyson, I guarantee it. I'm not relying on the "mystique" of Lee, I've seen his fighting methods (Jeet Kune Do) in action, and know the type of power he is able to generate.

Tyson, on the other hand, is a brawler. He beats his opponents into submission through sheer force. Lee was a technical fighter, and has a greater repetoire of movements at his disposal.

absolute hardgainer
I know exactly what you mean, I've been frequenting martial arts messageboards for years, and it is always the same old argument. Check out www.kungfuonline.com, you'll see what I mean :rolleyes: .
 
LeviathanX, years ago I was one of those users stupid enough to believe you could talk sense into people in forums like rec.martial-arts. That forum beats all others in noise to sense ratio.

I soon changed my foolish outlook.

hardgainer (pump)
 
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