Lost 40lbs of Fat in 8 weeks!!!!

[jdlex23]

Heres what I did:
200mg of DNP ed
50mg of Redux ed
ECA stack ed
12.5 cynomel ed
800-1000mg of ALA ed
30mg of Fina eod for 6 weeks
Cardio 5 days a week - afternoon
Weights - worked each muscle group once a week.

The Fina really helped me from lossing muscle even at such a low dose. I ate as cleanly as I could and didnt consume any carbs after 2pm. I really didnt experience any side effects other than not being able to sleep. Went from 235 to 195 with very little muscle loss.
Special thanks to Huck and Fonz for all their excellent posts.

 

[creep]

Hows your liver?

 

[Mr H]

Were you feeling extremely hot for the entire 60 days or it wasn't too bad?

 

[Green]

How's his liver you ask??

What's so bad in his stack? Holy shit man you better drop those dosages more!!!


jk

Great results!!

 

[DaMan]

1. Did you get your thyroid tested? Even though that's a very low dose of T3 it may still have downregulated you (depends on the person and prior TSH), and for such an amount of time it could take very long to return to homeostasis if it dropped.

2. What difference did the redux make? Just curious...

3. Why such a low dose of fina? Not even 30mg ED? Again, just curious, cuz I actually like your stack, although I'd sub Oxandrin for the fina.

 

[jdlex23]

I was using the ALA to keep me in ketois as well as a liver protectant. I'm sure my thyroid is down regulating but I'll taper off with 12.5mg eod for a week or so.
I think the redux did help but I really couldnt quantify/isolate its effects.
The 200mg of DNP didnt make me hot at all. Except one day when I ate pasta and bread.....I felt warm but didnt sweat.
The low dose of Fina was just to help keep as much muscle as possible.....I really didnt use it to attempt to make gains because of my reduced caloric intake.

 

[mythos]

What was your BF% before and after?

 

[jdlex23]

I didnt measure my body fat....I should have but I went from 40inch waist to 35 which is pretty dramatic looking.

 

[Japanese machine]

damn! with all the loose skin you must look like a human nutsack..lol J/K

good work bro! dieting that much takes alot of discipline; you should be proud. keep us posted!

 

[drveejay11]

Man....congratulations bro!!!!!

 

[DrJMW]

Now, the trick is to keep the fat from reaccumulating. Unfortunately, your cycle did nothing to make permanent changes. At this point, your fat cells are starving for carbs and fat. The rebound will be huge when you return to "normal eating." You did manage to decrease your beta receptor:alpha-2 receptor ratio. I also hope you are using HCG/Nolvadex to boost post-cycle testosterone levels. You did nothing to correct the insulin resistance you suffer from. You didn't use an alpha-2 blocker (Yohimburn) or alpha-2 eliminator (like captopril). I apologize for being the devil's advocate but I have been researching obesity for years. I have done cycles similiar to yours over the past few years--lost fat, but never kept it off when I returned to normal eating.

The main cause for fat accumulation is insulin resistance and low HGH levels. Secondarily, the problem is complicated by low beta:alpha-2 receptor ratio on the fat cell. You must address these problems on a permant basis for permanent success.

 

[barnidge]

DRJMW

How would this cycle look for more permanent fat loss:

200mg(powder)DNP/day 7 days
1 gram ALA
1 mg Femera
Yohimburn

Thanks for the help

 

[DrJMW]

DRJMW

How would this cycle look for more permanent fat loss:

200mg(powder)DNP/day 7 days
1 gram ALA
1 mg Femera
Yohimburn

Thanks for the help

Again, having studied and used DNP, changes are temporary. Femara is a poor alpha-2 blocker compared to yohimburn. ALA is also a temporary measure.

Take a look at this cycle (forget about cost)

HGH, Captopril, yohimburn

HGH and captopril will make permanent changes to adipose tissue. It will maximize lipolysis and eliminate alpha-2 receptors, thereby increasing the Beta:alpha-2 receptor ratio. It will also optimize thyroid function. To combat the hypoglycemia caused by the HGH, you minimize your carbs. The 30g of carbs you eat incidentally will supply the brain and the glycerol from the triglyceride molecule will be used to fabricate additional glucose as needed until the body catches up. Weight training and low-intensity cardio would be necessary. Yohimburn will act to immediately block alpha-2 receptors and allow the captopril to kick in (takes three months for the captopril to kick in) And once the BF% is minimized, normal function returns to the pituitary and HGH supplementation is no longer needed. About 3-6 months of cycling. Then a switch to a low dose AAS like Testo, androgel or Oxandrin and Glucophage will adequately maintain the fat loss.

The key is that you do not have to take HGH forever; just until the BF% is minimized--then normal HGH function returns. This is important from a cost standpoint.

 

[DaMan]

DRJMW

How would this cycle look for more permanent fat loss:

200mg(powder)DNP/day 7 days
1 gram ALA
1 mg Femera
Yohimburn

Thanks for the help

Again, having studied and used DNP, changes are temporary. Femara is a poor alpha-2 blocker compared to yohimburn. ALA is also a temporary measure.

Take a look at this cycle (forget about cost)

HGH, Captopril, yohimburn

HGH and captopril will make permanent changes to adipose tissue. It will maximize lipolysis and eliminate alpha-2 receptors, thereby increasing the Beta:alpha-2 receptor ratio. It will also optimize thyroid function. To combat the hypoglycemia caused by the HGH, you minimize your carbs. The 30g of carbs you eat incidentally will supply the brain and the glycerol from the triglyceride molecule will be used to fabricate additional glucose as needed until the body catches up. Weight training and low-intensity cardio would be necessary. Yohimburn will act to immediately block alpha-2 receptors and allow the captopril to kick in (takes three months for the captopril to kick in) And once the BF% is minimized, normal function returns to the pituitary and HGH supplementation is no longer needed. About 3-6 months of cycling. Then a switch to a low dose AAS like Testo, androgel or Oxandrin and Glucophage will adequately maintain the fat loss.

The key is that you do not have to take HGH forever; just until the BF% is minimized--then normal HGH function returns. This is important from a cost standpoint.

Doc:

What potential sides do you see in a healthy 23-yr-old 11-ish'% 190lbs-ish male taking captopril? I'm thinking of asking my doc for a script...

FYI, my family has a history of high bp, though mine is fine (I get it checked regularly and it's actually a bit low, prolly cuz of my decent low-sodium / fat diet).

Thx.

 

[CrimsonKing]

Now, the trick is to keep the fat from reaccumulating. Unfortunately, your cycle did nothing to make permanent changes. ...
The main cause for fat accumulation is insulin resistance and low HGH levels. Secondarily, the problem is complicated by low beta:alpha-2 receptor ratio on the fat cell. You must address these problems on a permant basis for permanent success.

great reply. However, it doesn't adress how he can take action NOW to keep the fat from reaccumulating?

 

[jdlex23]

Hey Doc thanks for the info
I know each situation is different but how long would a HGH cycle normally last to make one normal......given the controls of a person w/15% body fat and sticking to a good diet....are we talking months or years.
Also would you recommend glucophage at this point in the ball game, given my increased insulin resistance.

 

[jdlex23]

Flaming Heterosexual-
I did 30-40min of cardio between 145-165 hb per minute anywhere from 3-5 times a week.

 

[BigDog60]

DrJMW, what kind of doses are we talking about for the gh, captopril, yohimburn cycle? Also would you include DNP low dose say 200mg/day, ALA, or any other supplements?

 

[SirWanksalot]

The main cause for fat accumulation is insulin resistance and low HGH levels. Secondarily, the problem is complicated by low beta:alpha-2 receptor ratio on the fat cell. You must address these problems on a permant basis for permanent success.

Dr J, you failed to even mention leptin - do lots more studying.


SirWanksAlot

 

[SirWanksalot]

I surmise the best fat burner and weight keeper offer would be:

DNP 200 - 400mg's (for as long as you can take it)
MERIDA 10 - 15mg (appetite suppresant)
BROMOCRIPTINE 2.5 - 5mg (replaces leptin signal in brain that vanishes due to prolonged dieting thus causing a cascade of events like insulin resistance, low thyroid output, etc. etc)

After ceasing DNP, user would then continue on Meridia and bromocriptine indefinately until desired BF% is reached.

Sirwanksalot

 

[JazzK]

SirWanksalot

Im assuming you have read Lyle's ebook. Is it worth buying?

Also, I can easily get hold of parlodel, but (without having read the book yet), I was under the impression that the only form of bromo that would work is ergoset due to its rapid clearance time. Is this true or can parlodel be used also?

Thanks,

Jazz

 

[DrJMW]

Re: Re: Lost 40lbs of Fat in 8 weeks!!!!

How much cardio????

20-40min of low intensity cardio (read walking) at least three times per week, preferably in the AM.

 

[DrJMW]

Doc:

What potential sides do you see in a healthy 23-yr-old 11-ish'% 190lbs-ish male taking captopril? I'm thinking of asking my doc for a script...

FYI, my family has a history of high bp, though mine is fine (I get it checked regularly and it's actually a bit low, prolly cuz of my decent low-sodium / fat diet).

At 100mg per night, virtually no sides. Your doc probably won't give it to you unless you suffer from High Blood Pressure, and he likes to use ACE inhibitors to treat it.

 

[DrJMW]

great reply. However, it doesn't adress how he can take action NOW to keep the fat from reaccumulating?

He didn't ask--but I will tell. Glucophage, Testo (androgel or low dose injectible) or Oxandrin, and Yohimburn/Captopril. He can drop the Yohimburn after three months.

 

[DrJMW]

Hey Doc thanks for the info
I know each situation is different but how long would a HGH cycle normally last to make one normal......given the controls of a person w/15% body fat and sticking to a good diet....are we talking months or years.
Also would you recommend glucophage at this point in the ball game, given my increased insulin resistance.

I just posted a great article about Glucophage and HGH. HGH causes a transient hypoglycemia anyway, so Glucophage isn't desired or necessary during the cycle. Keep your carbs and calories low and keep some oranges around in case of light-headedness. I like glucophage after the fat loss cycle. I also posted an article that states that glucophage causes lower Testo levels; so, these can be brought up with low dose Test (androgel, low dose injectible) or Oxandrin.

 

[DrJMW]

DrJMW, what kind of doses are we talking about for the gh, captopril, yohimburn cycle? Also would you include DNP low dose say 200mg/day, ALA, or any other supplements?

HGH 3-5IU, 5-6 days per week..need to titrate to the individual. 100mg captopril at bed time. Yohimburn--once daily application. I wouldn't add DNP or ALA..multimineral and vitamin..probably need protein supps if you can't eat enough food.

 

[DrJMW]

Dr J, you failed to even mention leptin - do lots more studying.

Nobody has figured out the leptin problem--it would be interesting to read studies of leptin levels in folks treated with HGH. Hunger/appetite seems to be a complex thing.

 

[SirWanksalot]

SirWanksalot

Im assuming you have read Lyle's ebook. Is it worth buying?

Also, I can easily get hold of parlodel, but (without having read the book yet), I was under the impression that the only form of bromo that would work is ergoset due to its rapid clearance time. Is this true or can parlodel be used also?

Yes, I've read Lyle's book. In my opinion, Lyle has hit upon why almost every diet fails and how to address this problem - Bromocriptine (Parlodel is fine). His reasoning is backed up by nearly 90 studies / references.

Note: Lyle spends a chapter in his book on why ergoset failed to get approval

Heres a link to recent bromo discussion
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=152976

 

[JazzK]

Thanks! I ordered the book and read it. Very good, although Im now unsure what to do since eca is contraindicated with bromo...I think I may stick to eca during the diet, and use bromo post diet to avoid the fat regain..