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Your medical system = FAIL

I just found out my grandama had flown to the states, and she had collapsed on the plane, so upon landing, she was taken into the hospital. She is back home and doing fine, but they ran a ton of tests down there on her which included, MRI, several lab tests, and a week in the hospital, and several other things. The total bill would have been $39,000 dollars. Which she only had to pay $700 because of insurance. Canada= Win with free healthcare, that we pay for in taxes.
 
meh...i have good insurance, it costs a fair amount, but it's affordable...i never pay more than a $20 co-pay, no matter what the doc(s) do to me. and, no matter how much my insurance costs, i guarantee it's a HELL OF A LOT LESS than i'd have to pay (in extra taxes) under a socialized program...capiche?? eh??
 
sterolizer said:
Your medical system = FAIL

I just found out my grandama had flown to the states, and she had collapsed on the plane, so upon landing, she was taken into the hospital. She is back home and doing fine, but they ran a ton of tests down there on her which included, MRI, several lab tests, and a week in the hospital, and several other things. The total bill would have been $39,000 dollars. Which she only had to pay $700 because of insurance. Canada= Win with free healthcare, that we pay for in taxes.
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The LOL is on her. In the US system you get a $39,000 bill and don't pay a cent.

Freeloading FTMFW! She wasted $700.
 
nimbus said:
it's a good thing she didn't collapse in canada, or she probably would've died


fag
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lol...that's a little harsh...canada actually has a pretty good health care system, as far as the docs and surgeons are concerned...there are certain procedures that i'm aware of that people go from the u.s. to canada for, because the docs are specialists in these areas...hernia surgery used to be a big one that people crossed the border for.
 
nimbus said:
it's a good thing she didn't collapse in canada, or she probably would've died


fag
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No nothing was really wrong with her. They did tests and couldnt find anything, but I guess it would be more of an LOL on the insurance companies now that I think about it. But I would still rather pay in taxes, then have to find an insurance company only to get raped like most people there.
 
digimon7068 said:
lol...that's a little harsh...canada actually has a pretty good health care system, as far as the docs and surgeons are concerned...there are certain procedures that i'm aware of that people go from the u.s. to canada for, because the docs are specialists in these areas...hernia surgery used to be a big one that people crossed the border for.
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i don't buy that, got any evidence?
 
sterolizer said:
No nothing was really wrong with her. They did tests and couldnt find anything, but I guess it would be more of an LOL on the insurance companies now that I think about it. But I would still rather pay in taxes, then have to find an insurance company only to get raped like most people there.
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my insurance is kind of expensive, i suppose...but, it's market rate...i'm not getting raped. plus, i have 3 kids, insurance is one place i refuse to skimp.
 
sterolizer said:
No nothing was really wrong with her. They did tests and couldnt find anything, but I guess it would be more of an LOL on the insurance companies now that I think about it. But I would still rather pay in taxes, then have to find an insurance company only to get raped like most people there.
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Lol just stop guy. You're ignorant to the subject
 
nimbus said:
i don't buy that, got any evidence?
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i have some doc and anesthesiologist clients in buffalo, i don't remember specific procedures, i just remember them telling me about things that people were going to canada for...the one that i remember is hernia surgery...there is a group of docs in canada that pioneered the repair procedure that involves repairing the affected area with a mesh screen...they do it here in the u.s. now too, but at the time, the best docs were in canada.
 
I have access to some of the best, if not the best Dr.s and Surgeons in the world within a 20 minute drive

You=fail
 
brownbrown said:
GOOD POINT....... numbers dont lie... fact is fact....

United kingdom, Frenchies, Germans, ect all rank much higher than the good ol' US of A....
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... and Americans also have more meth heads and 400lb+ people.

On a similar note, did you know the average elephant weighs more than the average cow?
 
digimon7068 said:
lol...that's a little harsh...canada actually has a pretty good health care system, as far as the docs and surgeons are concerned...there are certain procedures that i'm aware of that people go from the u.s. to canada for, because the docs are specialists in these areas...hernia surgery used to be a big one that people crossed the border for.
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nimbus is right. I know a Canadian OR nurse who now practices in the US, who could tell you plenty of stories about people having to wait ungodly amounts of time for procedures.

People don't cross the border because of a doctor. They cross the border because they can get their shit done NOW, and Canada will still pay the bill.

A podiatrist I know has a brother with a clinic in Vancouver BC. His patients had to wait for-frickin-evar to get simple shit done. He opened an office just over the border in WA state. He makes appointments for his pt's to get whatever they need done and they go over the border and get it done in days as opposed to months or years. Canada pays the bill.
 
sterolizer said:
No nothing was really wrong with her. They did tests and couldnt find anything, but I guess it would be more of an LOL on the insurance companies now that I think about it. But I would still rather pay in taxes, then have to find an insurance company only to get raped like most people there.
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Like plunkey said, here a poor person with no insurance goes into the hospital, comes out with a $40,000 bill and pays nothing. The hospital over charges on everything they do to try to cover the people like this. Those who have insurance pay a small portion of their bill, be it copays or a percentage. Insurance picks up the rest...though only what they will pay, not necessarily what the hospital charges.

Who got raped?
 
mrplunkey said:
... and Americans also have more meth heads and 400lb+ people.

On a similar note, did you know the average elephant weighs more than the average cow?
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Per capita - drug addicts and the cost is similar.
on the over weight people.. yes we have more fat people.. Does that mean they should die?

on a realistic note. Averages are not concrete.. they are a group of numbers randomly added together to create a base number...

Fact:
The USA pays 200% per capita than the Brits do
Over 200% of what the Aussies, Canada, France , Germany ect.
 
sterolizer said:
Your medical system = FAIL

I just found out my grandama had flown to the states, and she had collapsed on the plane, so upon landing, she was taken into the hospital. She is back home and doing fine, but they ran a ton of tests down there on her which included, MRI, several lab tests, and a week in the hospital, and several other things. The total bill would have been $39,000 dollars. Which she only had to pay $700 because of insurance. Canada= Win with free healthcare, that we pay for in taxes.
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no lol@u!

If she had simply said she was illegal - her bill would've been $0.

That's a savings of $700!! PWNED!

c
 
The rest of the world is lucky we spend more per capita on healthcare than them. We fund the expensive R&D involved with unique/novel drugs and procedures, its our way of keeping the world on welfare. You're welcome.

I've been to Canada, Toronto to be exact. The general consensus was that the socialized healthcare was a crock and you'd easily end up dying waiting for a procedure. The Canadians who want the highest standard of care come to the US for procedures.

The funny part about my whole trip was that Canadian customs didn't want to let me into the country because I declared that I had a small tool set on me to fix instrumentation that would increase your standard of health care. My mind wandered and I was then questioning how the hell some dirty middle eastern terrorists got into your country and used it as a segue for US entrance.

My snobbery is aimed at you, sterolizer, in retaliation for your arrogance. I sympathized with the Canadians I met while I was there. You have a fine country by the way.
 
My health insurance is superb. I paid a $15 copay for my hernia surgery at the beginning of the year. Brain surgery would have costed me the same.
 
thatbloke said:
lol dunno wat yous are on about, in australia our enitre healthcare system is free :)

hell having heart surgery and removing brain tumours, cancer treatment wont cost you a sent

you can even go to the doctors for free, get free blood test and get free needles for ya gear, and as many as you want

only thing we gotta pay for is our prescriptions, but hey, 10buks for 200 ritalins isnt to bad, or 2$ for an amp of sus under HRT prescriptions :)

ooo gotta love it
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HRT an easy thing to get down there?

Your customs is an absolute bitch I hear.
 
Heaven forbid you want to look jacked huh?

Make thailand trips ever to eat up all the dbol you can? (and nail trannies)
 
thatbloke said:
lol dunno wat yous are on about, in australia our enitre healthcare system is free :)

hell having heart surgery and removing brain tumours, cancer treatment wont cost you a sent

you can even go to the doctors for free, get free blood test and get free needles for ya gear, and as many as you want
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Free huh? Wow! So all your doctors there in Aus work for free? They don't get paid a cent?? That's pretty fuckin outstanding of them.

Who pays for their schooling? I assume that's free too. I guess they get free housing and free cars, free food too. It would all have to be free if they're not getting paid.
 
I like the US and i'm Canadian! Great peeps down there...health care is a joke everywhere.
 
thatbloke said:
lol you just felt like nit picking didnt you?

u know its all obviously funded by our tax system, but the fact u dont pay at the doctors is a great system for equity reasons and fair that everyone is entiteled to the same health benefits

primary and secondary (highschool i think its called in amaerica?) is also free if you choose a public school. and all the best university courses and campuses are free to attend on a HECS loan, basicaly you only pay back your uni fees if you earn enough money to fall in the above average income earner tax bracket, alwise you never pay a cent if you dont

housing is free to low income earners, cars are free to aboriginal or torre strait descendents (natives)

just saying :) it is pretty good
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why should a grocery bagging bum be entitled to the same benefits as a hard worker who busted their ass through school to get a great job to afford the perks of life?

elite healthcare should and hopefully always will be a luxury.

survival of the fuckin fittest nugga
 
thatbloke said:
it depends

just becoz someone has a high paying job while the other moves grocery bags does not nessecarily mean one should have priorty over health,

we can use a more drastic and exagerated example to demonstarte my point, lets say you and bill gates require a heart transplant, and theres only 1 heart, who should be entitled the right to live?

u might think this is a over drastic example, but ill show you how it applies to the overall

remeber that the health care system has only limited resources (the one heart in previous example), that is there are only so many doctors, organ donners etc.
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About the heart transplant, there is (in Ontario, Canada at least) a specific rating system to determine who gets the heart first. I suspect it is the same even in the U.S. Bill Gates might be out of luck ;)
This rating, from 1-4 (4 being highest) is determined by how sick you are, how many IV medications you are on, and whether or not you have had recent surgery (for example for a bridge heart/LVAD, ICD or pacemaker). Then other factors come into play like bodyweight and size, age, and other medical conditions.
I don't know why Canadians bash Americans, it's kind of a waste of time really.
 
thatbloke said:
just becoz someone has a high paying job while the other moves grocery bags does not nessecarily mean one should have priorty over health
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They already do.

Higher income earners can afford to live in a safer area.
... and eat healthier food.
... and drive a safer car.
... and receive training in diet and exercise.
... and a whole host of other features beneficial to health

This notion that somehow health care should be carved out and special is absurd. If people really believe health care is a matter of fairness, then they should be for nationalizing every other aspect of health and safety as well.
 
mrplunkey said:
They already do.

Higher income earners can afford to live in a safer area.
... and eat healthier food.
... and drive a safer car.
... and receive training in diet and exercise.
... and a whole host of other features beneficial to health

This notion that somehow health care should be carved out and special is absurd. If people really believe health care is a matter of fairness, then they should be for nationalizing every other aspect of health and safety as well.
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By this logic health care should only be for the genetically superior. Money can buy you a lot of things, but if your ancestors had some kind of inheritable cancer, maybe you don't deserve health care because your genes are inferior and expensive to treat.
This too would save government money, lots of it! Eugenics could definitely help out here too. lol
 
Fixing healthcare is easy. Expand the resources.

More medical school graduates, more medical colleges, more scholarships, more hosptials, more beds, more equipment, more weight loss resources, more foreign docs, more outpatient resources, more nurses, etc.

Thank you all. Remember me next november when Cookie for President comes into your town.

c
 
trex74 said:
By this logic health care should only be for the genetically superior. Money can buy you a lot of things, but if your ancestors had some kind of inheritable cancer, maybe you don't deserve health care because your genes are inferior and expensive to treat.
This too would save government money, lots of it! Eugenics could definitely help out here too. lol
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How could you ever possibly make that leap? Please do me a favor here: Start with my post you quoted and walk me through how you'd ever get to your comment I bolded above.

:Popcorn:
 
mrplunkey said:
They already do.

Higher income earners can afford to live in a safer area.
... and eat healthier food.
... and drive a safer car.
... and receive training in diet and exercise.
... and a whole host of other features beneficial to health

This notion that somehow health care should be carved out and special is absurd. If people really believe health care is a matter of fairness, then they should be for nationalizing every other aspect of health and safety as well.
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i'm with the plunkster...the more hand outs you have, the less the incentive to get ahead...entitlement breeds laziness...and, if we truly are falling behind the rest of the world, from an educational standpoint, then entitlements will simply exacerbate that slide.

and, once again, i will reiterate my argument that the u.s. doesn't have any truly poor people...one trait that almost every "poor" person (in the u.s.) i know shares is obesity...now, compare our poor people to their poor counterparts in the rest of the world and you'll notice a great disparity in that one characteristic...the po' folks outside of the u.s. ain't fat...in fact, a lot of them look like they're fucking starving to death, 'cuz they are.
 
mrplunkey said:
They already do.

Higher income earners can afford to live in a safer area.
... and eat healthier food.
... and drive a safer car.
... and receive training in diet and exercise.
... and a whole host of other features beneficial to health

This notion that somehow health care should be carved out and special is absurd. If people really believe health care is a matter of fairness, then they should be for nationalizing every other aspect of health and safety as well.
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Also, look at it on pure economics. Who is going to provide more income back to the state after a heart transplant? Bill Gates or the dude sacking groceries?
 
The fact that richer people can afford these things more easily than poor people does not make them more deserving of good health. Just because poor people are more of a drain on government resources does not mean they deserve to die/be sick/suffer.
Health care is a basic human right no matter where you come from, where you live, or how much money you make.
Discriminating against somebody based on their income is as ludicrous as discriminating against somebody because they are genetically inferior. Or a commoner. Or black. Or white.
In some cases it can't be helped. Does not the young child of a laid-off worker deserve medical treatment?
Does not the deaf and dumb person unable to get a job deserve a specialist?
Does not a schizophrenic deserve free medication?
 
trex74 said:
The fact that richer people can afford these things more easily than poor people does not make them more deserving of good health. Just because poor people are more of a drain on government resources does not mean they deserve to die/be sick/suffer.
Health care is a basic human right no matter where you come from, where you live, or how much money you make.
Discriminating against somebody based on their income is as ludicrous as discriminating against somebody because they are genetically inferior. Or a commoner. Or black. Or white.
In some cases it can't be helped. Does not the young child of a laid-off worker deserve medical treatment?
Does not the deaf and dumb person unable to get a job deserve a specialist?
Does not a schizophrenic deserve free medication?
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Your leap of logic still didn't work, but I'll run with your premise:

Does not the laid off worker deserve a safe house in a good community?

Does not the deaf and dumb person deserve a safe automobile?

Does not a schizophrenic deserve access to all-organic, locally-grown food prepared for them at least three meals a day?

It's odd how you would give someone health services but be unwilling to pay for the prevention necessary to keep those services from being unnecessary. What a typical American attitude!

Know the best way to treat a gunshot wound? Put someone in a nice gated community so they never get shot.

Know the best way to treat a heart condition? Insure someone has access to state-of-the art training and conditioning as well as a pristine diet for their entire lives.

Know the best way to treat a polytrauma pelvic fracture? Put them in a big, nice BMW car that will protect them in the first place.

This half-hearted approach to rights is disconcerting. If you're gonna be a bear, be a grizzly.
 
trex74 said:
The fact that richer people can afford these things more easily than poor people does not make them more deserving of good health. Just because poor people are more of a drain on government resources does not mean they deserve to die/be sick/suffer.
Health care is a basic human right no matter where you come from, where you live, or how much money you make.
Discriminating against somebody based on their income is as ludicrous as discriminating against somebody because they are genetically inferior. Or a commoner. Or black. Or white.
In some cases it can't be helped. Does not the young child of a laid-off worker deserve medical treatment?
Does not the deaf and dumb person unable to get a job deserve a specialist?
Does not a schizophrenic deserve free medication?[/COLOR]
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we've had programs for all of these people for a very long time...and they get the exact same medical attention as anyone else in this country...there are way more "regular" people treated at the cleveland clinic (where robin williams, oprah winfrey, lebron james, prince charles, king hussein of jordan, liza minnelli, etc. have all gone for serious medical problems) everyday, than famous/"important" people.
 
speaking of canada, i grew up near the border and met a lotta canadians over the years...good people, fun loving and mostly hard working and easy to chat with.
these folks were hinterland canadians...my love doesn't extend as much to the costal city canadians from montreal/toronto/bc areas...they've always seemed super smug and arrogant (infected with libtardism) which was baffling to me.
i attended a fire academy in texas with a bunch of BC canadian bros who were big time anti-americans and didn't have the composure to keep their opinions to themselves...needless to say, one of our instructors (hard nosed latino texan) overheard their smug talk and became unglued and made us all PT in bunker gear.
we all learned a life lesson that day who was the tough guys and who was the sniveling bitches
 
bakemeacookie said:
Fixing healthcare is easy. Expand the resources.

More medical school graduates, more medical colleges, more scholarships, more hosptials, more beds, more equipment, more weight loss resources, more foreign docs, more outpatient resources, more nurses, etc.

Thank you all. Remember me next november when Cookie for President comes into your town.

c
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so increase Taxes and save from the wars for ifrastructure? Sounds like a good idea..
while we are at it... lets save by not having to pay for others emergency room visits , ie preventative medical care and them paying a portion in their federal of taxes...
 
thatbloke said:
health problems and complications are not all avoidable, if we could foresee we were going to go deaf, or foresea we were going to have cancer fo a heart probelm we probably woudl do something to prevent it, but many health issues are not easily detectable or foreseable

that being the case, many health issues are going to arise, an my point is that if a health complication does arise, then the rich should not have priority to access to healthcare system becoz they can afford it

i have no agreument against a hard worker having the right to access a health care system, was i do have an issue with is a poor person dieing becoz they could not afford the treatment for there health issue, or living and even lower quality of life becoz they cannot afford simple health treatments
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Then according to you, shouldn't the rich not get priority access to safer neighborhoods, safer food and safer cars? Why arbitrarily single-out medical treatment and completely ignore every other aspect of health?
 
thatbloke said:
safer neighbour hood is not a human right, access to shelter is

safer food is not a human right, access to food is

safer cars is not a human right, nor are cars a nescisity, so this is irrelvant as i am debating a human right, not your access to property rights or there effecton your health

having access to better health is not a human right, but having access to health is, basing priority of health of wealth undermines this

this si difference between having a nicer hospital bed becoz your wealthy and not be able to afford to stay in a hospital

there is a difference between not being able to afford a house, and being able to afford the safest house

there is a difference between being able to get food, and being able to get the best food

wat you are suggesting is bascialy against a capitalist system if you think about it, rather wat i suggest is a human right and a corrction to a market failure caused by flaws in capitlaist systems

i am not singleing out anything, i am looking at treatment to health issues, fixing determinants to health issues is a whole other process, but since the american system does not try to fix these determinants, then the other option is give access to health treatment for eveyone

there are different approaches to solving health issues i agree and understand your point, but i am argueing that wateva approach you decide to take, everyone should have equal right to access it, not just those who can afford it

and considering the health care system in america seems to be based more on treating health issues, rather then preventing (as you suggested) then i would argue everyone should have equal access to this treatment, not that those who can afford it can only access it
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generally, our constitution allows us access to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...it doesn't say shit about food, shelter, cars, healthcare, etc...for those??? we're on our own. i didn't make up the rules, i just have to live with them.
 
thatbloke said:
health problems and complications are not all avoidable, if we could foresee we were going to go deaf, or foresea we were going to have cancer fo a heart probelm we probably woudl do something to prevent it, but many health issues are not easily detectable or foreseable

that being the case, many health issues are going to arise, an my point is that if a health complication does arise, then the rich should not have priority to access to healthcare system becoz they can afford it

i have no agreument against a hard worker having the right to access a health care system, was i do have an issue with is a poor person dieing becoz they could not afford the treatment for there health issue, or living and even lower quality of life becoz they cannot afford simple health treatments
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Exactly. Preventive medicine can only do so much against the onset of some conditions. We would all like a healthy diet, exercise, safe neighborhood, big car to be our shield against disease, but the reality is that there are other ways to get sick. Why should somebody suffer through no fault of their own? Just because somebody is poor doesn't mean they are lazy and trying to get something for nothing.
Even the ones who develop illnesses that could have been prevented (lung disease from smoking, complications from adult-onset diabetes, heart disease from a variety of factors) deserve our sympathy and support. No one wants to get sick and suffer.
 
digimon7068 said:
generally, our constitution allows us access to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...it doesn't say shit about food, shelter, cars, healthcare, etc...for those??? we're on our own. i didn't make up the rules, i just have to live with them.
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Except for the cars, Canada provides all that if you are needy, so i guess we just don't get the 'Amurrican' way ;)
 
i think we should kill the homeless.

ps. in alberta my healthcare is 100% free. my dental is free, my doctor is free, my eye doctor is free, my prescriptions are 80% off. my gyno surgery when i was 19 was free. if i want a bigger schlong well that i gotta pay for, regular walk in clinics are free as long as i go no more than once a day, er trips are free, ambulance isnt, they dont do enemas upon request either, but if i need shit in a hurry we have privatized places for the wealthy to get what they want stat. but all the free shit is just because i have a job with a basic health plan. good benefit for doing something. bums i think only get free healthcare in alberta but 100% free

but in the end.. kill the homeless
 
trex74 said:
Except for the cars, Canada provides all that if you are needy, so i guess we just don't get the 'Amurrican' way ;)
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i'm not saying it's right or wrong...i'm just saying that those are the general rules here...and, if people don't like it, immigration is always an option :)
 
thatbloke said:
safer neighbour hood is not a human right, access to shelter is

safer food is not a human right, access to food is

safer cars is not a human right, nor are cars a nescisity, so this is irrelvant as i am debating a human right, not your access to property rights or there effecton your health

having access to better health is not a human right, but having access to health is, basing priority of health of wealth undermines this
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So let me get this straight... I have a right to shelter, but it can be in a crack house in East LA with bullets whizzing in every direction.

And I have a right to food, but it might be food that is killing me.

And I don't have a right to a car because a car is property, but aren't shelter and food property?

And health care is a right, but "better" (your word) isn't a right? So I can get resuscitated from a heart attack but you won't pay for my open heart surgery to make me better? Or is that included? And if that's included, is a heart transplant included as well?

Somebody's gonna need to write these rules down.
 
mrplunkey said:
So let me get this straight... I have a right to shelter, but it can be in a crack house in East LA with bullets whizzing in every direction.

And I have a right to food, but it might be food that is killing me.

And I don't have a right to a car because a car is property, but aren't shelter and food property?

And health care is a right, but "better" (your word) isn't a right? So I can get resuscitated from a heart attack but you won't pay for my open heart surgery to make me better? Or is that included? And if that's included, is a heart transplant included as well?

Somebody's gonna need to write these rules down.
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here, if you get welfare or disability, you can choose where you live- you could rent a room in a good neighborhood if you like. No need to live in a crack house. There is also subsidized housing.
You can get food from the food bank that are "staple" foods, and buy fresh vegetables with your own money left over from rent. That food won't kill you. It's probably boring, and repetitive, but it's not bad for you. There's even meat from what I hear.
You get a free buspass, so you don't really need a car.
The health care is unlimited. You can get that heart transplant twice if you need it.
Dental is covered for disability, basic care only (cleaning, fillings). If you're on welfare, only your kids are covered for dental.
 
trex74 said:
here, if you get welfare or disability, you can choose where you live- you could rent a room in a good neighborhood if you like. No need to live in a crack house. There is also subsidized housing.
You can get food from the food bank that are "staple" foods, and buy fresh vegetables with your own money left over from rent. That food won't kill you. It's probably boring, and repetitive, but it's not bad for you. There's even meat from what I hear.
You get a free buspass, so you don't really need a car.
The health care is unlimited. You can get that heart transplant twice if you need it.
Dental is covered for disability, basic care only (cleaning, fillings). If you're on welfare, only your kids are covered for dental.
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So now I have rights if I have money left over? I've never heard of those kinds of rights. How barbaric.
 
trex74 said:
Except for the cars, Canada provides all that if you are needy, so i guess we just don't get the 'Amurrican' way ;)
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Yeah, but you see, America is special. We have rugged individualism and manifest destiny and The American Dream. Also, we have a government that is so corrupt on every level that we can't possibly trust it to get anything right. But we're the greatest nation on Earth.
 
CoBra666 said:
but in the end.. kill the homeless
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Add to that list:

The bums who collect welfare even though they are able-bodied, the stupid little sluts who get knocked up repeatedly so they can get a single mother's allowance check, people who are morbidly obese, retards who will never have a prodcutive day in their whole lives, and the fucking foreigners who come here under the guise of being refugees just so they can collect government cheddar.

We'll bury them all in an abandoned mineshaft up north, let the bodies ferment and break down...and some day we'll have one hell of a nice oil well there.
 
Mr. dB said:
Yeah, but you see, America is special. We have rugged individualism and manifest destiny and The American Dream. Also, we have a government that is so corrupt on every level that we can't possibly trust it to get anything right. But we're the greatest nation on Earth.
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immigration is always an option :)
 
You'd like it up here Mr. dB, except the winter probably :)
 
canadianhitman said:
Add to that list:

The bums who collect welfare even though they are able-bodied, the stupid little sluts who get knocked up repeatedly so they can get a single mother's allowance check, people who are morbidly obese, retards who will never have a prodcutive day in their whole lives, and the fucking foreigners who come here under the guise of being refugees just so they can collect government cheddar.

We'll bury them all in an abandoned mineshaft up north, let the bodies ferment and break down...and some day we'll have one hell of a nice oil well there.
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Genocide.... sounds like a cure ive heard of before.... a few times....
 
Mr. dB said:
Yeah, but you see, America is special. We have rugged individualism and manifest destiny and The American Dream. Also, we have a government that is so corrupt on every level that we can't possibly trust it to get anything right. But we're the greatest nation on Earth.
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You and I completely agree on this point.

But as long as people are falling all over themselves to shovel money into it, of course it's going to be corrupt. It isn't fair to expect people to just stand around while money is being doled-out for every special interest possible.

Here's two little dirty secrets that garden-variety "progressives" don't understand:

1) They think government is somehow taking someone else's money. Guess what? It isn't. Even if they do selectively tax businesses and other income producers, those producers will simply raise prices to pay for the tax.

2) They also believe the money is being diverted to the needy and/or noble causes. It isn't. It's being diverted to the politically connected. People bitch about companies like Haliburton, but that's precisely how the system is supposed to work.

Good times!
 
mrplunkey said:
You and I completely agree on this point.

But as long as people are falling all over themselves to shovel money into it, of course it's going to be corrupt. It isn't fair to expect people to just stand around while money is being doled-out for every special interest possible.

Here's two little dirty secrets that garden-variety "progressives" don't understand:

1) They think government is somehow taking someone else's money. Guess what? It isn't. Even if they do selectively tax businesses and other income producers, those producers will simply raise prices to pay for the tax.

2) They also believe the money is being diverted to the needy and/or noble causes. It isn't. It's being diverted to the politically connected. People bitch about companies like Haliburton, but that's precisely how the system is supposed to work.

Good times!
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totally agree on the 1st paragraph...

Ob your points about the garden-variety "progressives"
1) Many people that i know that are "liberal / progressive" KNOW that they are getting their money taken. Some are of the wealthier type. And quite a few of the big earning Business dont give a dam of a small tax hike, in a time of World Record earnings for corporations. A few % points of effective tax rate change wont even make a dent in the Net Gains.
Yes, the non conforming ones will try and hike prices, but in the current economy they will lose a decent portion of customer base to the companies that take the minimal hit.

2) The needy isnt the picture of what most people think. Bums and Crack/Meth whores ect.
There are Millions of hard working Americans that make 15-25k a year that support themselfs and dont live off the state. And there are also millions of hard working Americans that make/made 40k- + that have been victims of the outsourcing, down sizing, and the past 4 years of the economy.. Agreed , millions of dollars meant for the less fortunate is being lobbyed to the corporations.... But IT ISNT how the system is supposed to work. If it was designed to work that way, then we wouldnt be in the economic situation we are in now... The buying/bribing of the government has set us in the shitter.
 
Mr. dB said:
Well of course, I was just trying to sum up the right-wing position.
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It's just cute watching you think it could all work if it were just done right.

I sure hope Haliburton is still carrying wheelbarrows full of cash out of the Middle East. The system is working as intended.
 
brownbrown said:
totally agree on the 1st paragraph...

Ob your points about the garden-variety "progressives"
1) Many people that i know that are "liberal / progressive" KNOW that they are getting their money taken. Some are of the wealthier type. And quite a few of the big earning Business dont give a dam of a small tax hike, in a time of World Record earnings for corporations. A few % points of effective tax rate change wont even make a dent in the Net Gains.
Yes, the non conforming ones will try and hike prices, but in the current economy they will lose a decent portion of customer base to the companies that take the minimal hit.
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Well since we are having "World Record earnings for corporations" and there's a tremendous base of business-to-business sales, why would they lose sales by hiking taxes in the "current economy"?

And here's a newsflash: Prices are already going up and they'll continue to increase.
 
mrplunkey said:
Well since we are having "World Record earnings for corporations" and there's a tremendous base of business-to-business sales, why would they lose sales by hiking taxes in the "current economy"?

And here's a newsflash: Prices are already going up and they'll continue to increase.
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They would lose sales by what you stated, if the taxes go up the comanpies will try to put it on the consumer.
Not all companies will adjust accordingly to re-coup the tax increase. So those would be the companies that gain a consumer base.
News flash? Not every market has raised prices.
Here's a real news flash for ya : Prices rarely jump up or down , They are all dependent on the Value of the dollar. They compensate . meaning the price is very similar to the original.. again, dependant on the value of the dollar.
 
brownbrown said:
They would lose sales by what you stated, if the taxes go up the comanpies will try to put it on the consumer.
Not all companies will adjust accordingly to re-coup the tax increase. So those would be the companies that gain a consumer base.
News flash? Not every market has raised prices.
Here's a real news flash for ya : Prices rarely jump up or down , They are all dependent on the Value of the dollar. They compensate . meaning the price is very similar to the original.. again, dependant on the value of the dollar.
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gee, that explains the hundreds of percents increases in fuel, food and health insurance (etc.) over the last 10 years, while the real estate markets crashed all over the country in the face of a floundering dollar, all the while inflation was (supposedly) either 4% or non-existent or we were in a recession...i'm glad someone finally cleared that shit up for me :rolleyes:
 
digimon7068 said:
gee, that explains the hundreds of percents increases in fuel, food and health insurance (etc.) over the last 10 years, while the real estate markets crashed all over the country in the face of a floundering dollar, all the while inflation was (supposedly) either 4% or non-existent or we were in a recession...i'm glad someone finally cleared that shit up for me :rolleyes:
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Amazing what a "free" market will do, eh?
 
digimon7068 said:
eh, it's a pretty gawddamn expensive market, if you ask me!
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It was more of a (poor) joke then anything else. The "free" market is somewhat heavily influenced by subsidiaries and other such things that greatly impact the price and production.

On a plus side, I can have corn or grain whenever I want.
:Chef:
 
EnderJE said:
It was more of a (poor) joke then anything else. The "free" market is somewhat heavily influenced by subsidiaries and other such things that greatly impact the price and production.

On a plus side, I can have corn or grain whenever I want.
:Chef:
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my response was also a poor attempt at a joke :)
 
sterolizer said:
Your medical system = FAIL

I just found out my grandama had flown to the states, and she had collapsed on the plane, so upon landing, she was taken into the hospital. She is back home and doing fine, but they ran a ton of tests down there on her which included, MRI, several lab tests, and a week in the hospital, and several other things. The total bill would have been $39,000 dollars. Which she only had to pay $700 because of insurance. Canada= Win with free healthcare, that we pay for in taxes.
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yep, our medical is so high because of indigents and under insured that come here from other countries. That way those of us that can afford insurance pay for those that can't, it's our little way of helping the poor...

And we don't do it with taxes..

How long would she wait to get a hip replacement?? Or is she too old to qualify for one and they'll just give her some aspirin?? how about a pacemaker??
 
digimon7068 said:
you're welcome...i love my neighbors to the north :)

oh and, you "think" no...so you're not completely sure...what could i do to sway you? in my direction. obviously.
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nice try but no tortilla
 
SpyWizard said:
yep, our medical is so high because of indigents and under insured that come here from other countries. That way those of us that can afford insurance pay for those that can't, it's our little way of helping the poor...

And we don't do it with taxes..

How long would she wait to get a hip replacement?? Or is she too old to qualify for one and they'll just give her some aspirin?? how about a pacemaker??
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My mom was supposed to wait a few months for a hip replacement, but lu
ckily a spot opened up sooner. For the pacemaker, it depends i guess. In Ottawa we have the Heart Institute which once you get in is absolutely amazing and fast. I suppose if your cardiac condition was such as to warrant a pacemaker, then you would get a referral pretty quickly. Plus a pacemaker is pretty much just day surgery, it's not a huge procedure- you're just given an Ativan and a local anaesthetic, you're not put under or anything. It's not a very long surgery so there's not much of a wait.
 
Mr. dB said:
Like the private sector isn't just as corrupt, if not more so.
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When someone in the private sector is corrupt, you can take your dollars elsewhere. And the private sector companies have to answer to shareholders as well as customers.

Government is a self-perpetuating machine that just keeps growing.
 
mrplunkey said:
When someone in the private sector is corrupt, you can take your dollars elsewhere. And the private sector companies have to answer to shareholders as well as customers.

Government is a self-perpetuating machine that just keeps growing.
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Neither the all-private nor the all-government solutions are viable, we need both, as a form of checks and balances.
 
digimon7068 said:
gee, that explains the hundreds of percents increases in fuel, food and health insurance (etc.) over the last 10 years, while the real estate markets crashed all over the country in the face of a floundering dollar, all the while inflation was (supposedly) either 4% or non-existent or we were in a recession...i'm glad someone finally cleared that shit up for me :rolleyes:
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fuel and food prices raise because of _ OIL... that is one of the few industries that are price gouging... do to specualtion of wall street in pair...
Insurance is in the same boat as OIL.. Price gouging..
Realestate... Wallstreet... Not because of actual Value...

I can clear it up for you but its quite a long story.... you know parts but you are missing a large portion... You cant tie inflation to the Oil / Insurance industry due to the fact that they have had so manyyears of laws that freed them to create a Monopoly... along with Wallstreet/ and Bankers dirty dealings, betting against their own assets and making millions on the losing ones....

they caused the 4% inflation... But that was a created dilemma that was slightly artifical ..... the story gets deeper.. but this is not the place...

BB
 
^^^ I'm guessing this is also the reason we had massive inflation under Reagan.

And I applaud the copious use of "...".

Just sayin'
 
brownbrown said:
fuel and food prices raise because of _ OIL... that is one of the few industries that are price gouging... do to specualtion of wall street in pair...
Insurance is in the same boat as OIL.. Price gouging..
Realestate... Wallstreet... Not because of actual Value...

I can clear it up for you but its quite a long story.... you know parts but you are missing a large portion... You cant tie inflation to the Oil / Insurance industry due to the fact that they have had so manyyears of laws that freed them to create a Monopoly... along with Wallstreet/ and Bankers dirty dealings, betting against their own assets and making millions on the losing ones....

they caused the 4% inflation... But that was a created dilemma that was slightly artifical ..... the story gets deeper.. but this is not the place...

BB
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i'm a CVA (i.e., valuation is my livelihood)...you don't need to clear it up for me...i was just being a wiseass...and i was pointing out that "the value of the dollar" doesn't necessarily rule the day...it's a little more complicated than that.
 
Bottom Line is this....

There are 1300 insurance pools in America with health coverage pay out rates anywhere from 40 - 60% for medical, meaning 60% - 40% of all expenses incurred for health insurance in the United States is payed in overheads. We have 85% coverage and are wasting in overheads that 40 % - 60 % to pay for a highly inefficient industry. We as with Medicare and Medicaid the Administrative overheads are 5% - 7% with about 95% of every dollar going to direct health care costs coverage.
 
WODIN said:
Bottom Line is this....

There are 1300 insurance pools in America with health coverage pay out rates anywhere from 40 - 60% for medical, meaning 60% - 40% of all expenses incurred for health insurance in the United States is payed in overheads. We have 85% coverage and are wasting in overheads that 40 % - 60 % to pay for a highly inefficient industry. We as with Medicare and Medicaid the Administrative overheads are 5% - 7% with about 95% of every dollar going to direct health care costs coverage.
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Do you know who/how Medicare claims are processed?
 
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