Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below In this month of Muscular Development they confirm how underdosed their products are and they point out all the spelling mistakes on their labels.Proceed with caution when using these products and any new product line tied into LFC.Sometimes things that are so cheap compared to other products are cheaper because the company has cut corners or should I say the amount of active compound in order to be able to offer such a discounted price,be weary-if it sounds to good to be true it probably is.
LFC bashing
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The Mail Man
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yeah and use the NEW spectro!!!...
Just stick to posting about spectro bro, give the other company bashing a rest.
Just stick to posting about spectro bro, give the other company bashing a rest.
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HULKSTER
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LFC is going into the toilet..............*flush*
lfc
I put a post on Rippedcanadians.com saying how little effect it had on me, everyone defended it. Can you guys post on rippedcanadians so maybe some change can happen to improve the quality. I used spectro it was the best, lfc must have low quality, or cut back on the test. I used enanthate.
I put a post on Rippedcanadians.com saying how little effect it had on me, everyone defended it. Can you guys post on rippedcanadians so maybe some change can happen to improve the quality. I used spectro it was the best, lfc must have low quality, or cut back on the test. I used enanthate.
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Johnny Cut
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halfaclue said:
an underground lab
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HULKSTER
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Re: lfc
That's because some of those biotches have a hand in it....
deanosig said:
That's because some of those biotches have a hand in it....
Hmm, well me and my training partner used LFC enanthate recently and got great results, what do you have to say about that? Everyone knows you full of shit fuck off. 
Oh wait, maybe people should start using the new spectro stuff, I hear they have some great reps and top notch products.
Oh wait, maybe people should start using the new spectro stuff, I hear they have some great reps and top notch products.
WannaBPowerful
New member
Everything iv read about LFC Tren was good.
Punisher007
New member
I'm using LFC EQ, Tren, and Prop right now...all I can say is...This stuff rocks!
Unless you have some sort of lab tests / credible user results don't spread these bs rumors.
Unless you have some sort of lab tests / credible user results don't spread these bs rumors.
isn't funny
I thought the boards are to discuss experience we have had with the products. It seems members with hundreds of posts are the first ones to jump in and try to silence anyone.(jubei and needsize) All also understood vulger language was not permitted.
I only specified test enth., which is what I only used. i would believe someone such as needsize which stack with other things.
It would hard to comment on the quality of one with several aas being used. The other LFC products are probly fine since I have not used them, I cannot comment. I have used spectro and it was a whole different game. I used some after LFC as well to see the difference. No one here is saying LFC are crooks, just maybe
some quality is lacking and as a company they would check it themselves to increase or maintain quality (perhaps a bad batch)
Errors do happen and should not confuse being deliberate. It would be nice to here from other members of there experience, who have less posts and a not searched out by underground labs to indorse their products. Lets keep it civilized without the name calling, it is childish. I still have one bottle of lfc left, maybe it will better, but I will have to double up to get the same effect as 1 spectro.
I thought the boards are to discuss experience we have had with the products. It seems members with hundreds of posts are the first ones to jump in and try to silence anyone.(jubei and needsize) All also understood vulger language was not permitted.
I only specified test enth., which is what I only used. i would believe someone such as needsize which stack with other things.
It would hard to comment on the quality of one with several aas being used. The other LFC products are probly fine since I have not used them, I cannot comment. I have used spectro and it was a whole different game. I used some after LFC as well to see the difference. No one here is saying LFC are crooks, just maybe
some quality is lacking and as a company they would check it themselves to increase or maintain quality (perhaps a bad batch)
Errors do happen and should not confuse being deliberate. It would be nice to here from other members of there experience, who have less posts and a not searched out by underground labs to indorse their products. Lets keep it civilized without the name calling, it is childish. I still have one bottle of lfc left, maybe it will better, but I will have to double up to get the same effect as 1 spectro.
Hey guess what, I've used both the original spectro and lfc enanthate, and neither were part of a stack. Guess what I got good results from both. Of course its nowhere near as good as say the new spectro stuff. Now those are great products, at least double the potency of all the other UG labs. Anybody who says otherwise is probably a paid supporter of LFC.
deonsig, I dont know where you get the idea that I was trying to silence you. I just find it strange that anyone would get such poor results when mine were so good. Not only that, but my buddies as well.
You are right that I did stack it, but I go by my sex drive for judging test. It was completely off the hook on the LFC enth. I even switched to ICN's for a while as I got a great deal on them, but didnt notice any differences between the ICNs and LFC enth.
BTW, jubei was aiming the profanity at the starter of the thread, for reasons not included in this thread
You are right that I did stack it, but I go by my sex drive for judging test. It was completely off the hook on the LFC enth. I even switched to ICN's for a while as I got a great deal on them, but didnt notice any differences between the ICNs and LFC enth.
BTW, jubei was aiming the profanity at the starter of the thread, for reasons not included in this thread
sounds cool
I have to respect both you guys, you've tried many different brands. You'll admitt there are different qualities plus some higher prices to go with it as well. I'm sure you talk to lots of guys
with many different experiences. I just can't believe how needsize
knows so much about all of different websites, and whats going
with each of them. Its got to be a full time job. Everyone appreciate's what you do. Everyone connected to aas knows who you are. We need to run you as an MP in the house of commons
to change the laws. Hate to see the underdog get curbed stompped.
I have to respect both you guys, you've tried many different brands. You'll admitt there are different qualities plus some higher prices to go with it as well. I'm sure you talk to lots of guys
with many different experiences. I just can't believe how needsize
knows so much about all of different websites, and whats going
with each of them. Its got to be a full time job. Everyone appreciate's what you do. Everyone connected to aas knows who you are. We need to run you as an MP in the house of commons
to change the laws. Hate to see the underdog get curbed stompped.
i also have done nothing but LFC for me last few cycles and i loved everything. i cant say i have one complaint! results speak for themselves and mine have been outstanding. i dont work for LFC nor do i get a deal on their products when i post positive feedback on boards, i just tell it like it is. if i do find that their products start slacking, i wont use them and post my results.
what all this bashing boils down to is competeing labs trying to get an advantage. if a lab is reputable and has good, proven products, they would not need to bash other labs to make a buck. that goes for any business in any industry.
what all this bashing boils down to is competeing labs trying to get an advantage. if a lab is reputable and has good, proven products, they would not need to bash other labs to make a buck. that goes for any business in any industry.
solidspine
New member
I hope it is good, have some of there test enthante and tren will be adding to my July cycle.
Ok so LFC tested low and is shit, all right..... where are the test results; they sure aren't printed! Where was it tested? MD doesn't say....
Yeah lets look at MD is a typical BBer mag that puts on an image that you can use creatin and ECA and look like Ronnie.
Not to mention MD suck's Red Star's ass every chance... a company that did sell a product that was not labeled right and got popped by a lab test that was printed.
Yeah lets look at MD is a typical BBer mag that puts on an image that you can use creatin and ECA and look like Ronnie.
Not to mention MD suck's Red Star's ass every chance... a company that did sell a product that was not labeled right and got popped by a lab test that was printed.
horsePOWER
New member
is there any relationship between LFC and some other new UG labs coming out? i tried to get LFC but was sent something else. the little bit i hear about it is all good. but im going to run it by itself for awhile to see if i'll be getting it again.
oh and its enth 200/ml
oh and its enth 200/ml
Has LFC ever been tested? Somebody please answer this for me. I assumed that this stuff had been tested for sure. Just after reading this thread I took a look over on fitnessgeared (lots of lab tests there), and guess what ... no lab tests! Something seems kinda sketchy/?? Why hasnt this been tested. On the other site, every single underground lab has lab tests posted EXCEPT for LFC.
I am 3 weeks into a cycle of LFC EQ. So .. I am just waiting for the gains to "kick in" anytime. It is hard to pinpoint anything now, although I am already up 13 lbs, I have been taking dbol, ICNs, and just recently started some winny, so although I am gaining, it is rather hard to pinpoint things. I did front load the EQ at first so i am expecting the "kick" in the next week or so. I will definately post how things go at the end of my cycle when I have some solid eveidence. I too was sold on LFC EQ because of its solid reputation. I am not trying to bash LFC, I am just curious why it has never been tested.
Now my question is ... I didnt know that there were so many people on the boards "pushing" all these new underground labs. It really is quite frustrating when each rep/reseller is cutting the other lab up. You really have to rely on people's experiences, or try them out for yourself, or have them tested.
It makes me wonder if anyone was given a good enough offer if they would just push a product for the hell of it without trying first themselves or without seeing test results.
Needsise: For an example to the above statement ... I remember reading in your "New Spectro" sticky thread you said ...
"They got in touch with me and asked if I would promote it. I asked what would be in it for me if I did so".
I remember that I hated reading that because I was thinking that you or any other Mod would start pushing any product no matter how bunk it was. What if those new Spectro pricks were not so crude to you ... would you have supported the product then? if this happened the new Spectro would probably have a great rep now. Its just to sketchy how people push certain product reputations. This is nothing against you personally or anyone else, and I am sure I am on a touchy subject here, but I just hate to see shit get corrupt on the boards.
Mavy
I am 3 weeks into a cycle of LFC EQ. So .. I am just waiting for the gains to "kick in" anytime. It is hard to pinpoint anything now, although I am already up 13 lbs, I have been taking dbol, ICNs, and just recently started some winny, so although I am gaining, it is rather hard to pinpoint things. I did front load the EQ at first so i am expecting the "kick" in the next week or so. I will definately post how things go at the end of my cycle when I have some solid eveidence. I too was sold on LFC EQ because of its solid reputation. I am not trying to bash LFC, I am just curious why it has never been tested.
Now my question is ... I didnt know that there were so many people on the boards "pushing" all these new underground labs. It really is quite frustrating when each rep/reseller is cutting the other lab up. You really have to rely on people's experiences, or try them out for yourself, or have them tested.
It makes me wonder if anyone was given a good enough offer if they would just push a product for the hell of it without trying first themselves or without seeing test results.
Needsise: For an example to the above statement ... I remember reading in your "New Spectro" sticky thread you said ...
"They got in touch with me and asked if I would promote it. I asked what would be in it for me if I did so".
I remember that I hated reading that because I was thinking that you or any other Mod would start pushing any product no matter how bunk it was. What if those new Spectro pricks were not so crude to you ... would you have supported the product then? if this happened the new Spectro would probably have a great rep now. Its just to sketchy how people push certain product reputations. This is nothing against you personally or anyone else, and I am sure I am on a touchy subject here, but I just hate to see shit get corrupt on the boards.
Mavy
mavy, someone on canadian juice monsters asked me the same question. I really should have worded that differently as promoting anything was never my intention. I already knew who these guys were, and was just curious as to how they would respond to that question. The fact that they responded with threats was just funny.
I have never, nor would I ever promote anything that I have never tried and didnt believe in. I had a lot of great things to say abuot spectro, because of what it did for my physique. I say the same things about LFC as my gains have continued. I have always posted what gear I'm running, doses and from what lab. MY progress pics over the last year speak for themselves.
I'm a social worker bro, I get nothing from promoting any of this stuff, i just call it as I see it
I have never, nor would I ever promote anything that I have never tried and didnt believe in. I had a lot of great things to say abuot spectro, because of what it did for my physique. I say the same things about LFC as my gains have continued. I have always posted what gear I'm running, doses and from what lab. MY progress pics over the last year speak for themselves.
I'm a social worker bro, I get nothing from promoting any of this stuff, i just call it as I see it
needsize said:
Glad to here this Needsize. Like I say, I wasnt trying to burn you, I just happen to remember reading that and thinking to myself ... what really goes on behind the scenes? Man, I swear it seems like there is new underground lab that comes out every day.
Mavy
Well, it's not too difficult to reseal a vial especially if you have the right tools/machines. Also any AAS lab could simply make a couple "good" batches and have them tested, and then underdose the rest by 25 percent and everyone would think they're totally legit.
1 lab test isn't going to prove anything, although if you want to buy a bottle of LFC or any other UG brand and get it tested go ahead and post the results. I have personally gotten good results from orignal spectro, and lfc and so has everyone that I know personally including my training partner(s). The reason I have good things to say about the company (LFC) is because I have always been totally satisfied with my results. End of story.
1 lab test isn't going to prove anything, although if you want to buy a bottle of LFC or any other UG brand and get it tested go ahead and post the results. I have personally gotten good results from orignal spectro, and lfc and so has everyone that I know personally including my training partner(s). The reason I have good things to say about the company (LFC) is because I have always been totally satisfied with my results. End of story.
I'm not sure why no tests have been presented as of yet, as I am not in contact with the LFC lab reps. If you really want to get down to it even if you do get a lab test, its incredibly easy to doctor the results.
Use a high quality photocopier and white out where it says the mg amount. Then use the same font and type whatever numbers you want. Cut out the numbers and paste them into place and photocopy it again. The key is to have a very good quality color photocopier and you end up with a report saying anything you want. Scan it onto your computer and post your "evidence" for everyone to see.
I used to use this technique all the time on clients where I work. My clients consist of major financial institutions and law firms and they couldn't tell...
Use a high quality photocopier and white out where it says the mg amount. Then use the same font and type whatever numbers you want. Cut out the numbers and paste them into place and photocopy it again. The key is to have a very good quality color photocopier and you end up with a report saying anything you want. Scan it onto your computer and post your "evidence" for everyone to see.
I used to use this technique all the time on clients where I work. My clients consist of major financial institutions and law firms and they couldn't tell...
I agree, the testing of these products can be just as corrupt, if not more. Jesus, I could whip up a lab test in Word just by looking at the ones on fitnessgeared, print them out, sign them, and scan them in and post them on the board. 1 hrs work max! You would have to get random Joe blow (not a rep or seller) to have a random bottle(s) sampled. Samples of the same substance at multiple labs would really verify this if they were consistant. Some real tests like that would put posts like this to an end.
jubei said:
thank you
The San Rapheal tests are easy to confirm though. Talked to them about a test on a product that was a mix of prop and ent, it was the only one produced in that quanity. Although I can see how a regulare eq or test ent can be rigged.
but lets remember red star is the best thing since slicked bread..... funny how they suck his ass great masteron product
lfc
I do not believe lfc are a bunch of scammers, they make good products of different steriods, proven by posts by different people. The idea is not to crash and burn these people. They go to great lengths and take a big chance by illegal activity. We who use them are not at great risk for having only are own personal quantity. As a consumer, if I feel the quantity is low the people at lfc check their products to improve them. Quality has the most demand and people pay for a reliable products, even higher prices. Rather have a Toyota than a dodge, even though I own a dodge.
I do not believe lfc are a bunch of scammers, they make good products of different steriods, proven by posts by different people. The idea is not to crash and burn these people. They go to great lengths and take a big chance by illegal activity. We who use them are not at great risk for having only are own personal quantity. As a consumer, if I feel the quantity is low the people at lfc check their products to improve them. Quality has the most demand and people pay for a reliable products, even higher prices. Rather have a Toyota than a dodge, even though I own a dodge.
with what the raw materials cost these labs, there wouldnt be one good reason to underdose a product, the tiny amount that it would increase a profit margin just wouldnt be worth it.
Really, the only way you are going to know is have it tested yourself, or shoot the stuff yourself. Myself, I always look at who is backing a product. Most of the canadian underground labs have the same lackies that post on all the canadian boards about how good this lab is, but thats all they ever post about. And they never provide any pics of themselves to prove they are even a real person or that tehy even work out. Myself, yes I have posted about the different brands that I have tried, but I bet that those posts would equal 1/10th of the 3500 posts I have on this board alone. Not only that, I have posted pics of my progress of the last 55lbs of mass that I have gained since joining elite
Really, the only way you are going to know is have it tested yourself, or shoot the stuff yourself. Myself, I always look at who is backing a product. Most of the canadian underground labs have the same lackies that post on all the canadian boards about how good this lab is, but thats all they ever post about. And they never provide any pics of themselves to prove they are even a real person or that tehy even work out. Myself, yes I have posted about the different brands that I have tried, but I bet that those posts would equal 1/10th of the 3500 posts I have on this board alone. Not only that, I have posted pics of my progress of the last 55lbs of mass that I have gained since joining elite
needsize said:
This is good Needsize. It would be nice if more people did this. I guess that there will always be descrepancies. I sold a few bottle of Schering primo to a buddy (kinda) of mine, a few years back. After using them for 8 weeks and not gaining shit, he tried to tell me that they were fake. Meanwhile I was using the exact same gear from the same order, at a lower dosage, and gained double what he did. The guy just didnt know how to eat and train. I would always see him "socializing" at the gym, while I was busting my ass off. Get the drift.
Mavy, you make an excellent point. People tend to blame their gear before anything else for some reason. Their diet could be terrible while they train twice a week and get 4 hours sleep a night and their gear is the first place they turn when results are less than expected. I guess they think they have a magical get huge potion or something.
There are way too many factors to consider when trying to guage the potency of something you are taking. Age, diet, training, sleep, cycle history, etc. all play a part in determining your results. The theory " I got half the gains so it must be half as potent" doesn't hold any water IMHO.
There are way too many factors to consider when trying to guage the potency of something you are taking. Age, diet, training, sleep, cycle history, etc. all play a part in determining your results. The theory " I got half the gains so it must be half as potent" doesn't hold any water IMHO.
True enough Jubei. I woulld almost bet that if you gave 2 people the same volume of juice, one legit to a slacker and one that was underdosed, to a guy who had everything in check, the guy with the training, diet and rst etc., would still gain more. Sure, placebo may be giving him a little extra push in the gym ... but still. Thats why it really helps to see pics of people who are using instead of what people just tell you. Takes a bit of balls to post them up, but then people have a better idea as to how to take your advice. I am thinking I may post some pics up when I am done my cycle. I took some before pics, so we will have to see how the after ones look! hahaha
Cheers,
Mavy
Cheers,
Mavy
I routinely have products tested but I don't go around announcing the results...I don't have the scans, the guy doing the testing isn't suppose to be doing it.
I will say that some Canadian companies are complete BUNK!
Some Facts(if a lab is legit):
-Aside from Expensive Raw materials (ie TREN, Anavar...), underdosing a product does not increase revenue like some people would tend to think.
Example:
1 kilo of enanthate: $1300
2kilos => 1000 enanthate vials at 200mg/ml, cost of Raw Materials: $2600
1 kilo of Tren(usp24): $12000
1 kilo => makes 660 vials of 75mg/ml
If we underdose it at 50mg/ml, (labeled 75mg/mg) you get 1000 vials instead of 660 vials...all for $12000. That's 330 vials more, and you knmow what people will still get decent results off 50mg/ml.
even if you lowered it by 60mg/ml, you would get an additionnal 198 vials.
So some products are worth underdosing, others...it simply doesn't make sense...(for UG labs)
-MD kisses GAC ass any chance they get. So does Brock Strasser/Bruce Kneller, It's an insult that they would post lab results without the actual scan. It's easily done through San Rafael.
I will say that some Canadian companies are complete BUNK!
Some Facts(if a lab is legit):
-Aside from Expensive Raw materials (ie TREN, Anavar...), underdosing a product does not increase revenue like some people would tend to think.
Example:
1 kilo of enanthate: $1300
2kilos => 1000 enanthate vials at 200mg/ml, cost of Raw Materials: $2600
1 kilo of Tren(usp24): $12000
1 kilo => makes 660 vials of 75mg/ml
If we underdose it at 50mg/ml, (labeled 75mg/mg) you get 1000 vials instead of 660 vials...all for $12000. That's 330 vials more, and you knmow what people will still get decent results off 50mg/ml.
even if you lowered it by 60mg/ml, you would get an additionnal 198 vials.
So some products are worth underdosing, others...it simply doesn't make sense...(for UG labs)
-MD kisses GAC ass any chance they get. So does Brock Strasser/Bruce Kneller, It's an insult that they would post lab results without the actual scan. It's easily done through San Rafael.
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HULKSTER
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Hold on a minute, we must have a different LFC. I made a mistake, so please disregard my posts on this subject.....Mine was part of a stack anyway, so I shouldn't have stated what I did unless I used that product without it being part of a stack. My sincerest apologies to all.
Bigandy69
Intersting post with suppling the info on raw costs, excellent
number crunching if dosages were cut. If one were to have low test. you would take 200 mgs. every two weeks to bring it in a higher normal range. I have low normal range and the endocrinologist would not supplement yet. Took spector what a difference, although not scientific I know how I feel, much better.
One standard for testing is how one feels. If the treatment works you have found the answer. If it doesn't work it would be a different problem all together. How much bigger you get on a cycle
is one indication of how it is working. There are others though.
Intersting post with suppling the info on raw costs, excellent
number crunching if dosages were cut. If one were to have low test. you would take 200 mgs. every two weeks to bring it in a higher normal range. I have low normal range and the endocrinologist would not supplement yet. Took spector what a difference, although not scientific I know how I feel, much better.
One standard for testing is how one feels. If the treatment works you have found the answer. If it doesn't work it would be a different problem all together. How much bigger you get on a cycle
is one indication of how it is working. There are others though.
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Johnny Cut
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Re: Bigandy69
NOT AT ALL
If two people take the same thing humangrade Upjohn Cyp and one eats properly and one doesnt, the person eating properly will grow like a weed, the other persona may not grow at all
then would u blame upjohn for selling fake underdosed gear?
deanosig said:
NOT AT ALL
If two people take the same thing humangrade Upjohn Cyp and one eats properly and one doesnt, the person eating properly will grow like a weed, the other persona may not grow at all
then would u blame upjohn for selling fake underdosed gear?
johnny cut
I don't think you fully got what I'm saying, get away from how big or not getting big you are from a cycle. That is not the only standard for evaluting test aas. Everyone can keep comparing 2 guys on a aas, and how gets bigger than the other because of how much he eats or trains, then you still don't get it. Other metabolic changes take place, increased lobido, acne, increase of satisfaction of ones well being, etc. People have different amounts of free testosterone, one may have more receptor sites
to increase the affects of test and other aas.
I don't think you fully got what I'm saying, get away from how big or not getting big you are from a cycle. That is not the only standard for evaluting test aas. Everyone can keep comparing 2 guys on a aas, and how gets bigger than the other because of how much he eats or trains, then you still don't get it. Other metabolic changes take place, increased lobido, acne, increase of satisfaction of ones well being, etc. People have different amounts of free testosterone, one may have more receptor sites
to increase the affects of test and other aas.
J
Johnny Cut
Guest
sorry i was trying to stay on topic about what this thread is about, LFC being junk -which its not, many of us know many of the people behind this lab
but u did make the statement which i quoted, i used it in the context of what THIS post is about without going off topic
but u did make the statement which i quoted, i used it in the context of what THIS post is about without going off topic
Skepticore
New member
Tap, tap, tap. Is this thing on? Testing 1, 2.
For anyone who didn't read the thread about the new spectro, and because needsize is too big a guy to stoop so low, let me point that gem out. In that thread it clearly looks as though louly first posted a link to Spectro and then threatened needsize by posting part of his (needsize's) IP.
Now I'm no veteran here, but I'd have to say that it smacks of someone with a vested interest to:
a) post a link to Spectro's website
b) threaten a fellow member who disagrees with said post
c) spawn a new thread bashing Spectro's primary competition
I'm not saying either LFC or Spectro is better (I've never done either), but it is worthwhile to examine the sources of information floating around here.
Needsize, I got your back bro, although I don't think you need it.
For anyone who didn't read the thread about the new spectro, and because needsize is too big a guy to stoop so low, let me point that gem out. In that thread it clearly looks as though louly first posted a link to Spectro and then threatened needsize by posting part of his (needsize's) IP.
Now I'm no veteran here, but I'd have to say that it smacks of someone with a vested interest to:
a) post a link to Spectro's website
b) threaten a fellow member who disagrees with said post
c) spawn a new thread bashing Spectro's primary competition
I'm not saying either LFC or Spectro is better (I've never done either), but it is worthwhile to examine the sources of information floating around here.
Needsize, I got your back bro, although I don't think you need it.
....I know what you mean and I can't wait!
