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Let's Discuss Some Myths/Concepts

JKurz1

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Ok...I consider myself fairly knowledgeable. Actually, very knowledgeable (w/o sounding arrogant) because I read my ass off, I listen to others, and I have met with pro bodybuilders to pick their brains.......HOWEVER, I'm finidng that a few issues are debated much more than others....would like to get everyones opinion on the following....BUT, please post your stats, length of training, and knowledge (we'll use the star system, 4 being a guru and 1 being a rook....I'll say I'm 3 stars)....I've been training for 8 years...I'm 27, 6'2. 195 at 6% and have been as big as 245 with 8-9%.....ok, here goes

Fruit - high glycemic? Ok to eat when bulking or cutting?

Carbs - a calorie is a calorie or carbs should be watch closely whether bulking or cutting

Cardio - first thing in AM is ideal or the worst thing you can do and any other time is just as efficient

Best AS for bulk is test?

Best AS for cut is fina, winny or EQ?
Eq can do both? Test? Winny?

You need a post workout shake IMMIDIATELY? You have an hour window? As long as you eat every 2-3 hours you are fine....

Oats are the perfect bodybuilding fuel/food? Preworkout is ideal

Milk - although high in sugar, wont fire insulin levels cause milk sugar is digestied differently

Splurging once a week won't hurt ya, in fact, it'll help your metab. and sanity

Fats are key....esp. your oils

Peanuts are a superb late night snack with you pro. shake cause they help slow digestion....

add as many comments/questions as you'd like......Let's do this!
 
Im 22 8 years of training. im no mass monster just like to be inshape. (still have alot to learn about what works for me)

i think fruit is great. fruit acts like an appetite suppreasant for me and is very filling

Im beginning to believe that a calorie is a calorie. carbs are most important 2nd most important is fats lastly protien is the least important. just try to burn more than what you take in.

strive to take in more energy foods like carbs to fuel workouts.

i feel its best to eat mainly before training and some after.

for steroids, i have no clue because ive never done them.

i think milk is a great product.

i think cardio can be done anytime of the day.

i think a person should strive to take one nap during the day for growth hormone release.
 
You need a post workout shake IMMIDIATELY? You have an hour window? As long as you eat every 2-3 hours you are fine....
This is essentail becuase strenous exercise can put in a catabolic state for hours after you workout, spiking your insulin while you have aminos etc... in your system will help get your body back on the road to recovery... Eating every 3 hours is still a good idea regardless..

Fruit - high glycemic? Ok to eat when bulking or cutting?
fruit is a no-no when cutting... you would be better off with a slower burning carb

Carbs - a calorie is a calorie or carbs should be watch closely whether bulking or cutting
a calorie is not a calorie... Food combinations can make a big difference at certain times such as postworkout.. Mixing carb cals and fat cals is a bad idea...
 
certain fruits are a YES some are a NO

if they got tons of fiber and little sugar.....gala apples.... they're good
 
No difference between morning and night cardio


SOME fruit is essential when dieting for proper thyroid function

IMHO test is bad for cutting due to calorie requirements

A Calorie is not a calorie but Calorie's in < Calorie's out will results in WEIGHT not necessarily fat, loss.

agreed about cheating....

Milk is great for bulking..not so much for cutting.
 
no milk,fruits or cheating when cutting
am cardio or right after the workout
no clue about steroids
post workout shake should be within 30 minutes
"good fats" are a must
agree on the peanuts...love it!
carbs should be watch when cutting...but it's not your enemy
 
Fruit - high glycemic? Ok to eat when bulking or cutting?

my opinion is you need your fruit no matter what. if your cutting or bulking put it bannanas and any kind og berries in your pw drink it supplies you with natural sugar and potasuim and antioxidants.

Carbs - a calorie is a calorie or carbs should be watch closely whether bulking or cutting

i saw screw the myths about carbs eat your carbs you wont be challenged on eating all the time because it will supress your appetite. carbs will also help you keep your muscle while doing cardio will help you stay cut. Bulking i eat as many carbs as i can


You need a post workout shake IMMIDIATELY? You have an hour window? As long as you eat every 2-3 hours you are fine....

yes take a pw shake immidaltely after to get protein a carbs in your body. and you have a 3 hour window and use it wisley


Cardio - first thing in AM is ideal or the worst thing you can do and any other time is just as efficient

cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is stupid all your doing is going even more catabolic. Do cadio after lunch or evening

Oats are the perfect bodybuilding fuel/food? Preworkout is ideal

Yes oats are a great bodybuilding fuel espoecialy in the morning for breakfast its slow absorbing it lowers cholesterol

Milk - although high in sugar, wont fire insulin levels cause milk sugar is digestied differently

milk is good whiule bulking only drink skim milk while cutting

Splurging once a week won't hurt ya, in fact, it'll help your metab. and sanity
splurging every month is fine it wont hurt ya it will help with sanity and your metabolism

Fats are key....esp. your oils

fats are good no matter what

peanuts are a great snake itl keep you till morn.
 
Moderation is the key to life.

Fruit is great in moderation, especially high fiber and low GI ones like apples, strawberries, etc..

A calorie is not a calorie. Energy balance is important but you have someone eat 300g of carbs of shit food versus someone who eats the same 300g of carbs from low GI, whole food sources and you will see a different physique. Somewhere in the middle is the right answer for most of us. Get your high GI stuff in post workout and try to eat lower GI carbs the rest of the time.

Anyone claiming the definitive answer on cardio is a liar as there are far too many variables to consider what is "best". Cardio is generally better for fat loss when you're glycogen depleted, first thing in the morning is the easist way to achieve this. However you can do it after your workout as well, or even in the evening if you cut off your carb intake long before your cardio session. Like cutting off carbs at 3pm and doing cardio at 9pm or later.

Best AS for bulk depends on how your body handles the AS. Test is not always best for everyone, especially if you're sensitive to estrogen sides. You can bulk with any AS if you supply the calories, even anavar, primo, winny, etc... Think about it. If you work your ass of in the gym and get your diet right you will gain muscle anyways, add in any kind of AS and you're gonna have help.

Best AS for cutting. See above answer. The object of an AS for cutting is to preserve muscle mass during a caloric deficit. Any AS can do this whether it be dbol, fina, test or anadrol. There are some AS that are better at promoting muscle gains on fewer calories(fina, ox) but then again if this is your goal I'd say you aren't really cutting.

Yes you need a post workout shake no later than an hour after your workout. The sooner the better is the rule, but skipping this window of opportunity is really a bad idea. This is the safest time to ingest carbs as well as an important time to get quick digesting protein to stop catabolism.

Oats aren't perfect but for a carb I'd say they are one of the best in general. High fiber, low GI, very satiating, etc.. Overall I'd say beans(red kidney and black) are probably a better choice for a perfect carb source due to high fiber and protein content but a breakfast food they are not. Also things like barley are very good as well.

Milk is fine if you can handle the lactose. If not then you'd be better off skipping it and trying soy or nothing at all. Personally I can handle skim milk and don't cut it out of my diet, though I don't attempt to drink a gallon of it a day. I generally only use it in my oatmeal in the mornings and then use it in recipes and such.

Controlled splurging/refeeding is an important diet tool for most of us. Unless you're a professional athlete dieting down to extreme bodyfat levels I don't see why you'd want to skip at least a cheat meal. In fact if you are a natural dieter(no AS) then I think it is even more important because you need to keep your metabolism stoked to keep that hard earned muscle from being catabolized. If you follow the basic rules of a refeed then I think that it will help more than hinder, especially in the long run. However it is definately possible to go overboard if you do everything you can to break the rules.

Fats are key, EFA's in general that is. CLA, Omega-3, flax, olive, etc... Of course energy balance still must be considered as even good oils can be stored as fat if calories in general are too high.

Peanuts are better than a lot of other fats though almonds, macademias, walnuts, pecans etc... are a much better choice.


Just remember that there aren't always hard and fast rules to everything. Sometimes the answer isn't as simple as true or false as they are bound by conditions. Who cares what the exact best time to do cardio is? Cardio at the worst time is better than no cardio at all. Who cares if cardio option 1 is .0454% more effective than option 2 if the 2nd option is your only choice? It's still a hell of a lot better than sitting on your ass eating potato chips and contemplating which option is better.

I will tell you that the more I study and experiment the more I gave up on the calorie is a calorie theory. I ate more calories over the past 2 weeks than I every have attempted while "dieting", yet I actually ended up lighter on the scale after 2 weeks. This was eating an amount well over what I "thought" was my maintenance level. By controlling my macronutrient ratios and timing, combined with some keys supplements, I was able to eat far more than I ever thought possible, and at times I ate far less than perfect. I'm still dieting right now but I now have insight in how I will add muscle next winter without packing on much, if any fat.

The best way to answer these questions is with personal experience. Who cares what all of us think about milk if you can get down to 5% bodyfat drinking 5 glasses a day. Who are we to tell you that it's bad for cutting? Who cares what a study proves to be true if it isn't true for you? You don't have to buck the trend at all times and rebel, but sometimes you have to tread water on your own a bit to see what is possible. It may be that some of these myths hold true for you, and you may find that some of them are outright wrong for you personally.
 
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