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Lesnar didn't beat Carwin, Carwin's lack of cardio did him in
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redsamurai
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but for the last two minutes of the round he was able to sit on top of lesnar and punch down....does that really take that much out of a guy who's bread and butter is his punching? If he just had the cardio to go for 3 rounds, forget about 5....just 3 rounds he easily beats Lesnar. Lesnar's standup was exposed again tonight....he doesn't take a punch a well and you can't survive 3 rounds with a guy like Carwin by covering up and getting steamrolled every time you get hit.
twenty47
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he doesnt take punches well? he just took 100 punches by a guy that averaged 1 min 8 secs in his fights and stood up at the end of the round. then came out fine in rnd 2 and stole the fight.
come on man. his stand up was weak but he took punches that only he could get through. carwin cripples dudes.
questioning carwins stamina is just ignorance. if you have no wrestling or fighting backround i can understand this. when you wrestle someone like lesnar to the ground it takes all of your energy from you instantly. that wizzer he got on lesnar looked like nothing but that probably left his arm at 50% after just that move. put it this way. the best wrestlers in the world get gassed in 6 mins matches. 3 2 min periods. and u expect 2 dudes of that size to be able to go 5-5 min rounds. not possible.
come on man. his stand up was weak but he took punches that only he could get through. carwin cripples dudes.
questioning carwins stamina is just ignorance. if you have no wrestling or fighting backround i can understand this. when you wrestle someone like lesnar to the ground it takes all of your energy from you instantly. that wizzer he got on lesnar looked like nothing but that probably left his arm at 50% after just that move. put it this way. the best wrestlers in the world get gassed in 6 mins matches. 3 2 min periods. and u expect 2 dudes of that size to be able to go 5-5 min rounds. not possible.
redsamurai
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No he doesn't take punches well. You can see it plain as day when he gets hit...and not even that hard. I saw the same reaction tonight as in his other fights. When guys even get a little jab in it's like he gets freshened up and immediately covers up and backpeddles. THat "almost" got his shit ruined tonight. You did see how close Carwin got to finishing him right? If it weren't for the surface area of those forearms he's got the fight would have been over. And if Carwin had "any" BJJ it also would have been over.
And no I didn't expect Carwin to have 5 rounds of gas....but at least 3 rounds? c'mon.....if he came into this fight expecting to put Lesnar out in the first round than he's retarded. You "know" Lesnar has gas....if you can't at least put in 3 rounds against him don't show up for the fight. Butter bean can put in one standup round against Lesnar.
And no I didn't expect Carwin to have 5 rounds of gas....but at least 3 rounds? c'mon.....if he came into this fight expecting to put Lesnar out in the first round than he's retarded. You "know" Lesnar has gas....if you can't at least put in 3 rounds against him don't show up for the fight. Butter bean can put in one standup round against Lesnar.
twenty47
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his stand up sucks. where u say he cant take punches i say he cant react to punches and stay in the pocket. he doesnt know HOW to take a punch. he can physically take the punches and not be knocked out. for him to get that escape at the end of rnd 1 just showed he was still in it.
ghettostudmuffin
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People are gonna knock him period. My guess is he woulda won without the triangle and with superior conditioning woulda started to put a good ground and pound on Carwin.
There was nothing wrong with Carwin's cardio. None of his fights have gone past 1 round. He said it himself, he throws punches with bad intentions.
When you step into ring at 265 and throw leather like that against a guy like Brock it's gonna gas you.
Obviously Brock doesn't like getting hit in the face. He's also not used to it compared to most fighters.
One things for certain though.
Possibly no other fighter, but Brock could have survived that first round.
There was nothing wrong with Carwin's cardio. None of his fights have gone past 1 round. He said it himself, he throws punches with bad intentions.
When you step into ring at 265 and throw leather like that against a guy like Brock it's gonna gas you.
Obviously Brock doesn't like getting hit in the face. He's also not used to it compared to most fighters.
One things for certain though.
Possibly no other fighter, but Brock could have survived that first round.
redsamurai
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well yeah, at the end of the round he got his shit back....he was laying there on his back for 2 minutes in full coverup, I would expect that after a minute or so he'd have his senses back as Carwin never really nailed him anyway. Carwin got some good shots in mind you, but it wasn't anything like how he mauled Mir. You're right in that he doesn't know how to take a punch.......maybe he needs to get punched more in training so that he gets more used to it, who knows. Someone though, probably Carwin in their rematch....will expose that again and Lesnar may not get so lucky next time or Carwin may actually come in to the fight with more wind.
post a fucking vid or everyone STFU!
twenty47
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my guess is on a rematch lesnar doesnt try to stand with carwin at all and he gets a takedown resulting in him winning again on top. when lesnar is on top of you the chances of you escaping him are very slim.
cain valasquez cannot think he has any chance. he is going to get beaten like a dad beating his 13 year old son.
cain valasquez cannot think he has any chance. he is going to get beaten like a dad beating his 13 year old son.
ghettostudmuffin
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You keep talking like you can train to all out slug for 5-5 minutes rounds non-stop. Not possible at that size.
Rematch and Lesnar not rusty from a year out the ring and improved keeps his distance, keeps going for the takedowns and then imposes his will on him on the ground.
Rematch and Lesnar not rusty from a year out the ring and improved keeps his distance, keeps going for the takedowns and then imposes his will on him on the ground.
redsamurai
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In a rematch I predict Lesnar stays long the fuck away from Carwin for 2 rounds. I'll give Carwin this....he proved that in a street fight he would pretty much fuck Lesnar silly. But lesnar proved tonight he's an elite MMA champion now....and to do that after his health issue is impressive. He looked better tonight physically than he has in all his past fights. Dude came in hard....he usually carries a little more pudge. I think he said in an interview that he's eating less meat now than he used to cause of the diverticulitis.
ghettostudmuffin
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He's proved he can weather a storm and carwin is about the worst damn storm you could want to face.
That choke was beautiful. The fact he saw the opportunity and took it really shows he is learning.
That choke was beautiful. The fact he saw the opportunity and took it really shows he is learning.
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and if my cawk was 14" long ...
ponyfitness
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Lucky that the fight didn't get stopped in the first round. I'm quite sure Dana had a mike in the refs ear telling him if he stopped the fight he'd have him stripped naked and flayed alive. It's pretty rare a guy covers up for 2 minutes and the fight doesn't get stopped.
Vids are on mma-core.com if anyone wants to see them.
My question is - what are these guys thinking not being trained to actually go all out for at least three rounds? If you have almost a year to train you have no business gassing after five minutes, it's embarrassing and means your trainers are idiots.
I actually wonder if that was part of Brock's strategy, knowing that Carwin usually only goes a round. Let him punch himself out and then kill him in the 2nd. If so, good for him.
Vids are on mma-core.com if anyone wants to see them.
My question is - what are these guys thinking not being trained to actually go all out for at least three rounds? If you have almost a year to train you have no business gassing after five minutes, it's embarrassing and means your trainers are idiots.
I actually wonder if that was part of Brock's strategy, knowing that Carwin usually only goes a round. Let him punch himself out and then kill him in the 2nd. If so, good for him.
Carwin went for the kill, wiped the floor with Brock, but Brock is a tough sob and could take a beating...no one's ever survived Carwin's beating....Lestner took him down, legit takedown, smothered him, got him in a choke and it was over...
That was their whole game plan...Carwin was told to finish it standing up and he almost did. Lestner was told to take him to the ground because if Lestner got on top of you, I dont care who you are and what kind of ground game you got (Look at Mir) he will overwhelm you with his sheer size, brute force trauma and rediculous speed for a super heavyweight.
My heart goes out to Carwin - he's my boy still and I don't like Lestner's WWE attitude, but he earned that win...fair and square.
That was their whole game plan...Carwin was told to finish it standing up and he almost did. Lestner was told to take him to the ground because if Lestner got on top of you, I dont care who you are and what kind of ground game you got (Look at Mir) he will overwhelm you with his sheer size, brute force trauma and rediculous speed for a super heavyweight.
My heart goes out to Carwin - he's my boy still and I don't like Lestner's WWE attitude, but he earned that win...fair and square.
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digimon7068
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just watched it...possibly the most unexciting end to a fight that i've ever seen...the takedown was weak, and carwin went along with it...and the ho-hum action leading up to the choke was weak, and carwin went along with it...and the choke itself was weak, until the very end, and carwin went along with it...he truly looked to be totally out of gas and brock just seemed bigger and stronger, especially in the 2nd round...but, lesnar's jaw is weak, and he fights with his head down...still, i don't know if there's necessarily anyone out there that is bad-ass enough to capitalize on that weakness.
as some said before..brock was still fuxed up from a serious illness imo.. him to beat such a tuff son-of-bitch after that and a huge layoff is veryyy impressive
he wasnt even near on top of his game and found a way to win!! all u can ask for
he wasnt even near on top of his game and found a way to win!! all u can ask for
I agree. Digi, we don't like Brock, however, I will say this, his boxing defense is amateurish at best, however no chin. It looked like a horror movie, where the beast is filled with bullets and keeps coming. He was hit in the face 58 times in the first round. I can't agree with you that he has no jaw.
He has no head movement, but he a jaw made of titanium.
That said, U were right, for some reason, it wasn't boring, but not dynamic.
digimon7068
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from what i could see, the only shot that actually caught his jaw, was the uppercut (that wasn't even close to the haymakers that mike tyson threw in his heyday) that damn near floored him, and left him temporarily unable to defend himself...the rest of the good shots (and there were definitely a few) were around his forehead, eyes and cheekbones...and brock has a face like a piece of granite...they looked pretty brutal, and probably would have wrecked a lesser man, but they did little more than superficial damage to lesnar.
but, like i said before, i don't know as though there is currently anyone out there that is anymore bad-ass than carwin at that weight so, meh...he probably won't get hit like that again.
Damn, now that you mention it, in specifics, you were right, only one shot caught his jaw. Yeah, damn I had a good point, and then got +1ed.
Yeah, there aint' no one out there now.
There's going to be a rematch 100%
PICK3
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I don't think the best Brock showed up last night. Intestinal illnesses really take something out of you (no pun intended).
He's physically menacing, but is still a infant to the sport. He is susceptible to KO's or subs.
I don't know who will defeat him in the current crop of contenders, but a wide body "not just a pumped up Frank Mir" type, e.g. Gabriel Gonzaga with striking & sub skills will eventually do him in.
Brock will be difficult for any smaller framed man, e.g. Herring, Mir, etc ... due to his physicality. I sure he walks around @ 300 lbs. But Carwin demonstrated that he won't be able to bully people near his size and strength.
I agree with you on all points. However, Carwin's Rampage style , needs work 2.
I think Gabriel Gonzaga is the perfect guy. Good Pick.
PICK3
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Frankly I haven't followed Gonzaga's career lately. I just meant a larger BJJ expert would present a good challenge for Lesnar. Brock will be able to power his way out of many subs from 230-240lb practitioners no matter how accomplished they are.
Good observaton! Wished I would have thought of it ... that's right I did
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/c...ent-predictions-pleez-710765.html#post9539391
ghettostudmuffin
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One thing you have to keep in mind is Brock is only gonna get better.
He proved he can pull off a solid submission.
He can take a beating.
He can come back the next round with a smile on his face and take you down.
Brock is a true warrior. The look on his face at the start of round 2 was like "Yes! After a year off I am awake now! You are a worthy opponent. But, you're still goin down mutherfucker".
My guess is he manhandles Cain Velasquez if he doesn't get caught.
Brock 5+ fights from now. SCARY.
He proved he can pull off a solid submission.
He can take a beating.
He can come back the next round with a smile on his face and take you down.
Brock is a true warrior. The look on his face at the start of round 2 was like "Yes! After a year off I am awake now! You are a worthy opponent. But, you're still goin down mutherfucker".
My guess is he manhandles Cain Velasquez if he doesn't get caught.
Brock 5+ fights from now. SCARY.
Frankly I haven't followed Gonzaga's career lately. I just meant a larger BJJ expert would present a good challenge for Lesnar. Brock will be able to power his way out of many subs from 230-240lb practitioners no matter how accomplished they are.
Good observaton! Wished I would have thought of it ... that's right I did
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/c...ent-predictions-pleez-710765.html#post9539391
I expounded on your generalities without knowing you said it bor
PICK3
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you have to do a more thorough job of monitoring my post ... generally you'll find them quite enlightening and entertaining
just sayin'
redsamurai
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not so sure about brock not being over that illness. He looked better last night than I've ever seen him, both in MMA and in wrestling. Physically I think he was probably the best he's ever been and that's probably because he's had to change his diet....ring rust was probably there that's why he got in as bad a spot as he did. In case anyone missed it, there was a point in that match where he had his back turned to Carwin and was flat out running. Carwin did prove that in a street fight he'd probably wipe the floor with Lesnar. Brock had him deep with that first shoot and Carwin chucked him.....if he could only have had gas to keep that up for one more round that fight was done.
and by enlightening and entertaining you mean full of mo'nique.
That would've been more like Mir vs Lesnar 1.
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