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The Shadow
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...a goal achieved is a goal lost.....
....think about it
....think about it
Ah but a goal achieved is one to be remembered and relished. Then the need is to achieve a new, different goal. There are no limits to goals, the only limits are the ones we place on ourselves.
Can't all you handsome guys come up with something better like maybe some nice pics? Yes indeed I'm feeling my oats.-Valerie
Can't all you handsome guys come up with something better like maybe some nice pics? Yes indeed I'm feeling my oats.-Valerie
newgirl-chargeback
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Well.....I guess I would like to be lost sometime then!!!
My goals are ever evolving as nothing is static, therefore I am more like the rat on the wheel.
Almost exestential..."I think therefore, I am". Good food for thought.
My goals are ever evolving as nothing is static, therefore I am more like the rat on the wheel.
Almost exestential..."I think therefore, I am". Good food for thought.
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The Shadow
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WarLobo said:That's why we have GOALS - notice the PLURAL FORM of the word.
Now be off with you, your trivial pseudo philosophical posts, and quit upsetting my women
I think most men and women train with ONE goal in mind - ie - lose fat...bench xxx - not the best way to get to where you want to go.
Valerie - Doll - I'll post when you do
Temple - sweetness - you know you can call me anytime.
SteelWeaver
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Heh?
SteelWeaver
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Ha ha, kidding.
lol @ Temple. You can add in a few choice expressions for me while on the line, OK?
As for goals - gosh, I have so many I'm fairly sure it'll be a good long while before I get around to achieving them all, even working at full intensity, and by then they will have sprouted new offshoots. My goals are sort of laid out 3-dimensionally, and relate to lots of different areas of my life. But they're all sort of interlinked. I guess kind of like a tree.
My tree of life.
I love trees.
Have you ever seen a giant sequoia? Or a wild fig?
WOW! A FOREST! I think I'll go for a walk in the woods today
lol @ Temple. You can add in a few choice expressions for me while on the line, OK?
As for goals - gosh, I have so many I'm fairly sure it'll be a good long while before I get around to achieving them all, even working at full intensity, and by then they will have sprouted new offshoots. My goals are sort of laid out 3-dimensionally, and relate to lots of different areas of my life. But they're all sort of interlinked. I guess kind of like a tree.
My tree of life.
I love trees.
Have you ever seen a giant sequoia? Or a wild fig?
WOW! A FOREST! I think I'll go for a walk in the woods today
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The Shadow
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spatts said:
the thought is this:
A goal is something one should strive for...BUT...once it is accomplished - it is no longer a goal.....
...keep motivated is the main point.
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The Shadow
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spatts said:No longer a goal, yes. Lost, no.
IMHO, of course.
...sure it is......once it is accomplished it is no longer a goal - but rather a past history - a reality
2Shy
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Gee, if you don't have goals (I agree with WarLobo's use of the plural) you have nothing to strive for and nothing with which to measure your accomplishments.
I use short-term and long-term goals. The short-term are things I can accomplish, well, in a reasonable amount of time. They're personal atta-boys. I even use mini-goals when I'm working on something truly difficult.
The short-terms aren't really lost once they're accomplished. They're badges of honor. I did this. Now, set some new short-terms and maybe add another long-term.
Maybe by lost, you mean that you can't ever stop striving. I'd agree with that. I just don't see an accomplishment as something lost. It's something to savor.
I use short-term and long-term goals. The short-term are things I can accomplish, well, in a reasonable amount of time. They're personal atta-boys. I even use mini-goals when I'm working on something truly difficult.
The short-terms aren't really lost once they're accomplished. They're badges of honor. I did this. Now, set some new short-terms and maybe add another long-term.
Maybe by lost, you mean that you can't ever stop striving. I'd agree with that. I just don't see an accomplishment as something lost. It's something to savor.
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Corn - I see what you are saying and even though it does seem somewhat negative, I do tend to agree.
I think that sometimes it is hard to stay motivated once you have achieved a goal.
If your goal is to compete, once you do that, what next? What if you never want to compete again? What will get you back into the gym?
What if it is a shoot? OK, got the pics. They were great, now what?
If it is to lose/gain a few pounds while dropping a bit of bf, now what?
It is the same thing in other areas as well.
Someone wants to go back to school... how many times will they change thier major before they actually complete the degree and then where will they end up in the work world? Will they even end up in their area of study?
OK - been struggling through a divorce for like - FOREVER - when the ink is dry on the paperwork will it *magically* make everything ELSE fall into place?
Your kids are 18 and out of the house - NOW WHAT?
I think it is more important for people to achieve some sort of balance, personally, physically, emotionally, professionally....
PS - I've just succeeded in depressing the shit out of myself.
Thanx Corn.
I think that sometimes it is hard to stay motivated once you have achieved a goal.
If your goal is to compete, once you do that, what next? What if you never want to compete again? What will get you back into the gym?
What if it is a shoot? OK, got the pics. They were great, now what?
If it is to lose/gain a few pounds while dropping a bit of bf, now what?
It is the same thing in other areas as well.
Someone wants to go back to school... how many times will they change thier major before they actually complete the degree and then where will they end up in the work world? Will they even end up in their area of study?
OK - been struggling through a divorce for like - FOREVER - when the ink is dry on the paperwork will it *magically* make everything ELSE fall into place?
Your kids are 18 and out of the house - NOW WHAT?
I think it is more important for people to achieve some sort of balance, personally, physically, emotionally, professionally....
PS - I've just succeeded in depressing the shit out of myself.
Thanx Corn.
...a goal achieved is a goal lost.....
As humans we tend to see loss as a negative thing when it is not.
Once a goal is achieved it is
lost
poof
gone
finished
crossed off the list
NEXT....
by achieving (losing) goals it makes room for us to have new goals. The loss is necessary the same way that death is necessary to make room for new life.
As humans we tend to see loss as a negative thing when it is not.
Once a goal is achieved it is
lost
poof
gone
finished
crossed off the list
NEXT....
by achieving (losing) goals it makes room for us to have new goals. The loss is necessary the same way that death is necessary to make room for new life.
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The Shadow
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Temple01 said:
EXACTLY!!!!
...interesting that most of y'all viewed my thought as a negative thing when its not.
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newgirl-chargeback
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newgirl said:
Hey I did not think your thought was negative......rather I was ready to embrace the idea that I wanted to be lost i.e, at a goal....
This is one of those threads that either inspires OR irritates. I frankly was inspired. This discussion board is exactly what it is intended to be to share an idea, a thought or a question for the sake of sharing and looking to elicit some feedback and perhaps gain some knowledge.
"Now discuss amongst yourselves" And GROUP HUG.
newgirl-chargeback
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Hmmm....
Bikini Mod
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Temple01 said:
You always seem to know what to say to make me feel better...
Now if I could only get your sorry ass on the phone, my life would be complete.
bikinimom said:
You always seem to know what to say to make me feel better...
Now if I could only get your sorry ass on the phone, my life would be complete.
well, usually if you want to get me on the phone you must first dial my #.......or wait, was that 10 minutes of unintelligeable static on my machine last week YOU?????? I'll be around for the most part...I am baking cookies
SteelWeaver
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Mmmmmmm ..... coooookiiiiies .......
Bikini Mod
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Temple01 said:
well, usually if you want to get me on the phone you must first dial my #.......or wait, was that 10 minutes of unintelligeable static on my machine last week YOU?????? I'll be around for the most part...I am baking cookies
*Big fat FUCKING rasberry*
I DID!
And Yes, that was probably me....
Cookies.... Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm Stealweaver took the words right outta mah mouth.
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The Shadow
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spatts said:
...it's not for everyone.
Sassy69
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Interesting thought --- here's an interesting experience I had with "attaining goals".. .my first competition. I did it! I figured I would be the "hot shit" at the clubs, finally win my perpetual fight w/ my weight and accomplish just getting up on stage and doing it. Well, I did it. I also had a major falling out w/ my trainer, my bf at the time bailed, most of my friends got sick of me talking about the competition, only 2 came out to see the show. I can't talk about the gym or dieting w/ my mom anymore w/o her getting mad at me. and I got so depressed by the end of it all I went home and had a food orgy for 6 days. I've almost literally spent the last 2 years trying to recover from that. I did accomplish what I set out to do, but I also had certain expectations from it that totally backfired on me. I learned alot about that.
Unfortunately, since then, my professional & personal life have gotten weird w/ the economy, etc. which has had an impact on my motivation in general. So now all the stuff that seemed so important around that first show seem pretty trivial now. But like I said, I learned a lot.
I agree w/ spatts -- when you achieve a goal, it really depends on what that goal is in relation to the rest of your life. Is that goal achieved somethign that is a rung on the ladder to your next goal? Something that you have to remember and say that you did ? (Just having the story is often very satisfying!) Or, is the next challenge to maintain it that goal? Sometimes that is even harder than going after the next goal.
Initially my goal was to do that first show & then maintain my results whether or not I ever competed again. Well, that blew up in my face in a completely unexpected way. Now, after a number of attempts to pursue competition again, I am actually sort of burnt on lifting in general, but my current job has sucked up my time in ways that I've never experienced before and I both don't have time to go to the gym and dont' want to go. This tells me its time to set some new goals to get back on track. Lifting keeps me grounded, and now even that is gone.
Goals should be something that either mark a point on your journey towards something bigger - either more /bigger of the same, or another facet of the same thing, or something that once you achieve, you strive to maintain. Goals are what keep you moving forward and avoiding complacency. It kills me when I don't accomplish at least one new thing each day. This is how I know I'm still vital & alive. The day I become complacent and do nothing to fix it is the day I invite you all to kick me square in the rear and tell me to quit my bitchin and start liftin.
(ok enough of "Philosassy" for today)
Unfortunately, since then, my professional & personal life have gotten weird w/ the economy, etc. which has had an impact on my motivation in general. So now all the stuff that seemed so important around that first show seem pretty trivial now. But like I said, I learned a lot.
I agree w/ spatts -- when you achieve a goal, it really depends on what that goal is in relation to the rest of your life. Is that goal achieved somethign that is a rung on the ladder to your next goal? Something that you have to remember and say that you did ? (Just having the story is often very satisfying!) Or, is the next challenge to maintain it that goal? Sometimes that is even harder than going after the next goal.
Initially my goal was to do that first show & then maintain my results whether or not I ever competed again. Well, that blew up in my face in a completely unexpected way. Now, after a number of attempts to pursue competition again, I am actually sort of burnt on lifting in general, but my current job has sucked up my time in ways that I've never experienced before and I both don't have time to go to the gym and dont' want to go. This tells me its time to set some new goals to get back on track. Lifting keeps me grounded, and now even that is gone.
Goals should be something that either mark a point on your journey towards something bigger - either more /bigger of the same, or another facet of the same thing, or something that once you achieve, you strive to maintain. Goals are what keep you moving forward and avoiding complacency. It kills me when I don't accomplish at least one new thing each day. This is how I know I'm still vital & alive. The day I become complacent and do nothing to fix it is the day I invite you all to kick me square in the rear and tell me to quit my bitchin and start liftin.
(ok enough of "Philosassy" for today
)
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The Shadow
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spatts said:
Yes, there are no doubt presumably inferior forms that don't "see it."
not what I meant...but its funny anyway. I think the comment about inspiring or irritation over the thought is very true.
Sassy - um...wanna philososaay moi?
2Shy
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Well if Sassy can Philosassy, then I can spout some philososhy.
Too often people believe that their lives will somehow change for the better once they obtain a long-term goal. I call it the "if only syndrome." If only I lost weight. If only I made more money. If only I got married/got divorced/changed my job/went back to school, etc.
I'm not saying that there won't be good ramifications from any of the above (I sure hope there are!) but your life won't change. An unhappy person won't suddenly become happy and expecting an achieved goal (Corn, I prefer achieved to lost! ) to provide your happiness isn't the way to go.
The above is probably way off topic. I'm pretty sure that I don't expect my life to change when I can finally do an unassisted pull-up. Of course, Hugh Jackman and Mel Gibson are going to have a grudge match over me once I get into shape ....
Too often people believe that their lives will somehow change for the better once they obtain a long-term goal. I call it the "if only syndrome." If only I lost weight. If only I made more money. If only I got married/got divorced/changed my job/went back to school, etc.
I'm not saying that there won't be good ramifications from any of the above (I sure hope there are!) but your life won't change. An unhappy person won't suddenly become happy and expecting an achieved goal (Corn, I prefer achieved to lost!
) to provide your happiness isn't the way to go.The above is probably way off topic. I'm pretty sure that I don't expect my life to change when I can finally do an unassisted pull-up. Of course, Hugh Jackman and Mel Gibson are going to have a grudge match over me once I get into shape ....
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Thank You philosophisin' females.... what you guys are saying is SO TRUE. I got it.... really. I "got it" a ways back.
But how do you get someone that you care about to "get it"...?
But how do you get someone that you care about to "get it"...?
A goal achieved is equivalent to the spring loaded camming device you place in the crack of a rock while climbing, or to achieve your next goal. It is there so if you slip trying to reach your next goal, the last goal keeps you from falling too far back.
A previous goal is never lost, it will always be there to support your quest to an even higher goal. However, the inability to reflect upon previous goals can limit one's potential just as much as becoming complacent with previous goals.
W6
A previous goal is never lost, it will always be there to support your quest to an even higher goal. However, the inability to reflect upon previous goals can limit one's potential just as much as becoming complacent with previous goals.
W6
SteelWeaver
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Yah - a goal achieved is not lost - it becomes an integral core of a strong foundation, building ever higher/broader. You can't get to the other side of the stream without using the first, or at least the second stepping stone (well, unless you're a long-jumper, lol). A tree can't burst through the forest canopy without the boughs, the trunk, the roots below. You can't put a roof on a house without walls - and it's pretty certain you're gonna need some cement in there at some stage, too.
I love analogies
I love trees
I love analogies
I love trees
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The Shadow
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...but like going up stairs, once you reach the first "goal" - ie - the first step...it IS a stepping stone - but once you reach the second step it is totally unnecessary...and therefore of no use...unless you backslide.
That is why you ALWAYS need steps in front of you
That is why you ALWAYS need steps in front of you
Sassy69
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God you guys just got waaaaaay too deep for me.
One thing I've found is that "goals" are what you make them also. I had "goals" to finish college, (3 x), buy a house (did it), get a new car (did it), get a job I like (still trying) and find a guy I like to spend the rest of my life with (do those actually exist???)
I've achieved every goal I've ever set for myself to accomplish and with generally flying colors. I find, though, that those things that I thought would be the results of those goals have not appeared. At the moment I can honestly say that I have no heartfelt goals that I am truly expecting to achieve or pursue. Frankly I'm kinda lost because I acheived my goals but I didn't really achieve my purpose. So what to do? Define a new set of goals. Or perhaps I set my goals as the stepping stones to some unknown goal, achieving the stepping stones, but not the final destination because I didn't know where I was heading. Now I kinda think I know where I"m heading but I'm not sure what I need to do to get there.
Shit. Now I've confused myself.
Dam u cornholio.
Come get philsassical with me baby
One thing I've found is that "goals" are what you make them also. I had "goals" to finish college, (3 x), buy a house (did it), get a new car (did it), get a job I like (still trying) and find a guy I like to spend the rest of my life with (do those actually exist???)
I've achieved every goal I've ever set for myself to accomplish and with generally flying colors. I find, though, that those things that I thought would be the results of those goals have not appeared. At the moment I can honestly say that I have no heartfelt goals that I am truly expecting to achieve or pursue. Frankly I'm kinda lost because I acheived my goals but I didn't really achieve my purpose. So what to do? Define a new set of goals. Or perhaps I set my goals as the stepping stones to some unknown goal, achieving the stepping stones, but not the final destination because I didn't know where I was heading. Now I kinda think I know where I"m heading but I'm not sure what I need to do to get there.
Shit. Now I've confused myself.
Dam u cornholio.
Come get philsassical with me baby
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The Shadow
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spatts said:
To me, it's not about changing the postition of an earlier goal, its more that the earlier goals are no longer relevant...like benching 200 pounds...I'm sure that is a goal of a lot of trainers...once that goal is reached, by definition, it is no longer a goal - ie
"the state of affairs that a plan is intended to achieve and that (WHEN ACHIEVED) terminates behavior intended to achieve it"
...THEN you crank up new behavior to achieve a new goal.
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The Shadow
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...but still.....I would like to know you thoughts on why for example a goal of benching 200 is still relevant when you can do 300....shouldn't the next goal be over 300?
Why would you still focus(ie - give relevance to) on the 200 goal?
Why would you still focus(ie - give relevance to) on the 200 goal?
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