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Lab Anaylsis on Triple Threat....

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Based on a 90 gram sample weight of Chocolate:


Protein - 35.32% = 32 grams
Fat - 2.35% = 2 grams
Carbs - 27.05% = 24 grams

The remainder of the 90 grams - Ash 6.42% and 28.86% moisture.


Sugar profile will be ready by the end of the week.

Will post hard copy then.

Mod - sticky please.
 
How much protein is it supposed to contain? And is that "ash" as in "take a scoop out of the fireplace" type of ash?
 
saint808 said:
Dumb this up for us.

Well the fat and Carbs are right on what the label says.

Protien is about 1/2 what it should be.
 
Supplement Facts
Serving Size ~ 85 g
Servings Per Container ~ 32+
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Amount Per Serving

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Calories 334/350 (Vanilla/Chocolate)
Calories From Fat 18

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Total Fat 2 g
Saturated Fat < 1 g
Cholesterol 15.9 mg
Sodium 108 mg
Potassium 696 mg
Total Carbohydrates 19 g/23 g
Dietary Fiber < 1 g/2.5 g
Sugars < 1 g
Protein 60 g
Vitamin C 100% USRDA
Vitamin E 100% USRDA
Vitamin A 100% USRDA
Vitamin B3 100% USRDA
Zinc Oxide 100% USRDA
Iron 100% USRDA
Copper 100% USRDA
Calcium 100% USRDA
Vitamin D3 100% USRDA
Vitamin B6 100% USRDA
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) 100% USRDA
Vitamin K1 100% USRDA
Thiamin (Vitamin B1) 100% USRDA
Biotin 100% USRDA
Potassium Iodide 100% USRDA
 
I have found the following dicrepancey

The online usage instructions say:
Quantity
If you use one 85 g serving (3 heaping scoops) per day, you'll get about six weeks out of each six lbs container.


The instructions in the package say:
Quantity
If you use one 60 g serving (3 heaping scoops) per day, you'll get about two weeks out of each two lbs container.



How many grams is 3 scoops?


Here is the online nutrition information

Supplement Facts
Serving Size ~ 85 g 90 grams listed on paper instructions
Servings Per Container ~ 32+
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Amount Per Serving

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Calories 334/350 (Vanilla/Chocolate)
Calories From Fat 18

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Total Fat 2 g
Saturated Fat < 1 g
Cholesterol 15.9 mg
Sodium 108 mg
Potassium 696 mg
Total Carbohydrates 19 g/23 g
Dietary Fiber < 1 g/2.5 g
Sugars < 1 g
Protein 60 g
 
Cornholio said:


Well the fat and Carbs are right on what the label says.

Protien is about 1/2 what it should be.

Exactly!!! The carbs are "suppose" to be 19gr, but I can see it being a little higher because of the sweet taste.

But the protein is WAY OFF!!!! SHIT! I HAVE A GLASS IN FRONT OF ME NOW.

IT IS SUPPOSE TO BE 60!!!! NOT SOME PITIFUL 32.


Basically it sounds like the Ash is just filler.
 
Protien is about 1/2 what it should be.

could be bigger then watergate!!!
 
Screw the protein discrepancy...let's get down to the real issue at hand - whether or not that Biotin measurement is accurate.
 
The ash isn't really a problem. It's an inert filler substance. At worst, it'll just settle your stomach like an antacid would.
 
supersizeme said:
Screw the protein discrepancy...let's get down to the real issue at hand - whether or not that Biotin measurement is accurate.


Smartass, that test would have cost $1000. Want to pay for it? :D
 
Ok - just spoke with the lab and they are going to re-run the protein from the same batch that I sent to them.


90 grams id the weight they used as a base. The label says 85 grams is a serving size - so those numbers above should be very close to what the label says.

BTW - carbs are supposed to be 23 in the Chocolate.

Give George the benefit until the re-run on the protein. This is a certified FDA lab though...
 
frorider6 said:
I have found the following dicrepancey

The online usage instructions say:
Quantity
If you use one 85 g serving (3 heaping scoops) per day, you'll get about six weeks out of each six lbs container.


The instructions in the package say:
Quantity
If you use one 60 g serving (3 heaping scoops) per day, you'll get about two weeks out of each two lbs container.


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WTF??????? If you use 85g (more) you will get six weeks out of each (more) than if you use 60g (less) which you will only get two weeks (less) out of.

Sort of like saying if you spend more money, have more money to spend.

(Right now, though I am thinking about my money........)
 
Jae said:



WTF??????? If you use 85g (more) you will get six weeks out of each (more) than if you use 60g (less) which you will only get two weeks (less) out of.

Sort of like saying if you spend more money, have more money to spend.

(Right now, though I am thinking about my money........)


I hope my paper instructions are just a typo. If it is, then the time per jug is correct (2 weeks/2 lbs = 6 weeks/6 lbs).
 
I be told'n you peeps a while back it was Nestle's QUICK !
The proof is in the ANAL-A-SIS.....

Reminds me of the Seinfeld Yogurt Episode.... LOL
 
frorider6 said:
Hey Corn. Why do I feel like we just flushed a cherry bomb down the toilet. :FRlol:

Well - I wanted to have it done cuz I got no vested interest either way, and I do use it daily.

Funny - everyone was concerned over the Carbs - and they are right on the money.
 
Cornholio should be banned by this afternoon, good knowing you buddy...
 
See...I was always suspect about the protein content being lower than it claimed. Thus I always jerked off several times into the tub before deeming it fit to be scooped from. Your learn this type of thing when you are an Eagle Scout.
 
HighIntensity said:
Cornholio should be banned by this afternoon, good knowing you buddy...


Actually, I was the first one to question if this stuff had been tested. Corn had the knowledge of testing, and stepped up to the plate and sent it to a lab. So I guess we're both out of here.
 
See, I was gonna buy some of this shit, and now look what happens. Just like the Enron scandal, somebody found out that they were lying and now 8,000 people are fucked. All you folks eating this shit are gonna be pissed and not buy the products anymore, then ole Jorge is gonna go upside down, and bye bye Elite Fitness.com. O well, I'm glad to see that people research the products they indulge into their bodies.
 
supersizeme said:
See...I was always suspect about the protein content being lower than it claimed. Thus I always jerked off several times into the tub before deeming it fit to be scooped from. Your learn this type of thing when you are an Eagle Scout.

OMG LMAO!!!

Well I for one sure hope that the tests come back better than the first run. Only showing 1/2 the protien is not good at all! I just bought another 3 tubs of this shit! Damn, I sure hope it holds up and comes back a lot closer to 60grams!
 
If you extrapolate the numbers for the moisture and add it to the protein - it = 60 grams. Wonder if the manufact. made this error. I don't remember seeing moisture on the label??
 
Uhhh.... discrepency?

The online usage instructions say:
Quantity
If you use one 85 g serving (3 heaping scoops) per day, you'll get about six weeks out of each six lbs container.

The instructions in the package say:
Quantity
If you use one 60 g serving (3 heaping scoops) per day, you'll get about two weeks out of each two lbs container.

So what's the problem?
 
Though I didn't read that 85g/60g part. Seems like the 60g might be a typographical error, because if there are 60g of protein per serving, then we need extra grams for the carbs and fat, which comes out to roughly 85g. Kind of funny how the error has been there since I bought my first tub months ago.

-Warik
 
Warik said:
Uhhh.... discrepency?

The online usage instructions say:
Quantity
If you use one 85 g serving (3 heaping scoops) per day, you'll get about six weeks out of each six lbs container.

The instructions in the package say:
Quantity
If you use one 60 g serving (3 heaping scoops) per day, you'll get about two weeks out of each two lbs container.

So what's the problem?

It's the fact that 3 heaping scoops = both 60 gram serving AND 85 gram serving.
 
Warik said:
Uhhh.... discrepency?

The online usage instructions say:
Quantity
If you use one 85 g serving (3 heaping scoops) per day, you'll get about six weeks out of each six lbs container.

The instructions in the package say:
Quantity
If you use one 60 g serving (3 heaping scoops) per day, you'll get about two weeks out of each two lbs container.

So what's the problem?


The discrepency is in the serving size. Online says 85 g per 3 scoops. Printed instructions say 60 g per 3 scoops.


And you're in college? :D
 
btw - the 60 grams vs. the 85 grams is not pertinent to the topic at hand.

The lab anaylsis was based on a 90 gram sample.
 
frorider6 said:
The discrepency is in the serving size. Online says 85 g per 3 scoops. Printed instructions say 60 g per 3 scoops.


And you're in college? :D

Touche`.

I'm sure the printed instructions are incorrect because it wouldn't mathematically make sense. I thought the confusion was about the pounds:weeks ratio.

Hopefully, the PRINTED instructions are incorrect and not the online instructions.

-Warik
 
Cornholio said:
btw - the 60 grams vs. the 85 grams is not pertinent to the topic at hand.

The lab anaylsis was based on a 90 gram sample.

You're right. I think I was just trying to add wood to the fire. :D
 
Retarded ? who you calling retarded ?
No one remembers the thrilling posts from Warik regarding his battles with THEM at the fine institution of learning he attended?
 
Y_Lifter said:
Retarded ? who you calling retarded ?
No one remembers the thrilling posts from Warik regarding his battles with THEM at the fine institution of learning he attended?


ROTF!!

LOL!!
 
Y_Lifter said:
Retarded ? who you calling retarded ?
No one remembers the thrilling posts from Warik regarding his battles with THEM at the fine institution of learning he attended?

This thread isn't the place for all that.

And I'm sorry for implying you are retarded. I didn't mean to be so callous. You're special and we're all very proud of you. :D
 
Y_Lifter said:
Retarded ? who you calling retarded ?
No one remembers the thrilling posts from Warik regarding his battles with THEM at the fine institution of learning he attended?

Actually, there is a difference between a misinterpretation and blatant stupidity. One is what you have been showing lately in this thread. The other, well, is misinterpretation.

Besides, if the fact that I was focusing on another aspect of the "discrepency" is related in any way to my college education, which, thus, reflects poorly on college, I think that would actually be:

Warik: 4
Them: -1

-Warik
 
Can we get back to the issue at hand? Warik is a turd face. :FRlol: Kidding!

Actually, if the protein does work out to about half of what it's supposed to be, I may have to reconsider my product choice. Or possibly just mix 2 scoops of Triple Threat with a pure protein type powder. Either way, I'm not very happy right now. But I will wait on the 2nd lab analysis to make up my mind. It's not like I don't have the time. I've got about 18 lbs of this stuff to go through.

Time for my shake.
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Warik said:


Actually, there is a difference between a misinterpretation and blatant stupidity. One is what you have been showing lately in this thread. The other, well, is misinterpretation.

Does anyone still have a sense of humor? :rolleyes:
 
To give benefit of the doubt to, no 2 batches of any product are alike and like most supp companies George probably sources his out to a manufacturer so that could be where the problem in this.

Some manufacturers(of any product) get shitty batches going and try to sell it off anyways and the people buying and reselling dont have a clue.

YOu can 2 different batches of prodcuts and get 2 different stories.
Its the discreprancy where the issue lies.

I go thru this with steel all the time which is why we have in house testing that is done randomly and even then sometimes we get problems that escape the system.

So if it really off before doubting the compamy let him deal with his manufacturer first because they are the ones who should be answering the question.
 
Re: Where are the lab scans?

Slopain said:
Are the lab scans posted with the labs name and info?

Slo - not YET. The lab is also working on a sugar profile as well. I willpost everything as soon as I get a heard copy/. The only thing blotted out will be my name addy and phone #, as I was the one who brought in the sample.
 
Actually, I just got my batch in and it tastes different than the older stuff. Not bad, but definetly different. Maybe we should run the test again with the latest batch. I guess that all depends on what the second test says and if George is still willing to foot the bill.
 
Milhouse said:
To give benefit of the doubt to, no 2 batches of any product are alike and like most supp companies George probably sources his out to a manufacturer so that could be where the problem in this.

Some manufacturers(of any product) get shitty batches going and try to sell it off anyways and the people buying and reselling dont have a clue.

YOu can 2 different batches of prodcuts and get 2 different stories.
Its the discreprancy where the issue lies.

I go thru this with steel all the time which is why we have in house testing that is done randomly and even then sometimes we get problems that escape the system.

So if it really off before doubting the compamy let him deal with his manufacturer first because they are the ones who should be answering the question.

True. That's why the retest on the protein is from the same sample as before.

Fro - she said a couple of days, sooner if possible.
 
wow, I'm glad I didn't read this prior to puking that stuff up.

the new stuff does taste differently - maybe less ash, more ass. don't know.

so now I either need to eat twice as much, or just roll in penut butter more often.

damn - this would explain exactly why I'm a tiny little pussy... yeah, its not genetics *points fingers anywhere but myself* - the american way
 
About the current results. What bothers me is how a powder could be nearly 30% moisture??
 
Hmmmm......

Wow...I am suprised ya'll are taking this so lightly. Perhaps since you have a tub in front of you and you'd like to feel better about your purchase. Bottom line from where I am standing though - is that the powder was tested and it came back as having half the protein that it claims to.

You may say that it was a manufacturer error and that it's not every tub and just happens that that one came out this way. Well it's almost a relatively valid point. But I remind you that as far as I can tell - NO OTHER TUB was tested. That means it was left up to chance that as of now, the first last and ONLY batch ever to be tested JUST HAPPENED coincidentally to prove underdosed.

Also - it seems some of you think that because it may be the manufacturers fault then Georgy is ok on this one. I would disagree. Why should the onis be on YOU to test your protein powder for errors in manufacturing? You bought a product, by all guidelines of the BBB it is not YOUR responsibility to test that product. I don't care where the error lies, in lazy manufacturing, or in shady business tactics. Either way George should know what he is selling to you. If he does - then he's fucking ya'll over. If he doesn't, then he shouldn't be in business as he doesn't seem to know how to run a proper business.

Yes, I firmly believe that in a case like this it is necessary to take a completely different batch (one already in circulation) and to test that batch. Though I find it, as a consumer, inexcusable that the results came out as poorly as they did.

Just my thoughts, but I cannot conceivably come up with a logical explanation as to why George would not be responsible for his product evidently being an oversized ash try with a few grams of protein.

I know I just pissed some loyal folowers off LOL so ban me and delete this if you will. BUT the fact still remains - LESS THAN 40 GRAMS OF PROTEIN!! That's is absolutely ridiculous and unacceptable in my book.

M
 
Cornholio said:
About the current results. What bothers me is how a powder could be nearly 30% moisture??

yeah, I thought it would be way higher - that is the only moisture I get in the day.

anyway we can get a test on the rat semen content? that could raise the protein I'd guess.

also - it has been pointed out before, and I will do it again - don't immediately go jumping down George's throat on this - he might not have called the manufacturer and said "make some cheap ass shit now and I'll charge the same" - he wouldn't have volunteered the test so readily. it is likely the place he pays to do it either fucked it up, or they are scamming him.

that said - I also wouldn't ever put it past george to do stuff like this too :D hee hee - had to say it.
 
Milhouse said:
To give benefit of the doubt to, no 2 batches of any product are alike and like most supp companies George probably sources his out to a manufacturer so that could be where the problem in this.

Some manufacturers(of any product) get shitty batches going and try to sell it off anyways and the people buying and reselling dont have a clue.

YOu can 2 different batches of prodcuts and get 2 different stories.
Its the discreprancy where the issue lies.

I go thru this with steel all the time which is why we have in house testing that is done randomly and even then sometimes we get problems that escape the system.

So if it really off before doubting the compamy let him deal with his manufacturer first because they are the ones who should be answering the question.


while this is true, you'd think the variance would be plus or minus 5 or at the MOST 10 grams of protein. But this is case it's a big difference.

Plus GS on an earlier triple threat thread posted a copy of a analysis of triple threat that was validated by some asian guy.
 
it would be interesting to see several samples from that same tub of protein.
and then several from the vanilla.
and then several from the brand new shipments that are going now.
and then several from some competing brand that people think they can trust.

I have a feeling, just like all else in the supplement world, each test would vary a ton.
 
i just did a lab scan on froriders legs, the DNA sample comes back that of a chicken...hmmmmm
 
lol@HI

I wouldn't mind seeing results from a different tub. Why keep testing the same tub? Granted $$ is an issue and George stepped up to the plate but now that this is uncovered, I wouldn't mind seeing how Nlarge2 compares against 3/threat.

And does this mean it's only double threat now? :D
 
Re: Re: Where are the lab scans?

Cornholio said:


Slo - not YET. The lab is also working on a sugar profile as well. I willpost everything as soon as I get a heard copy/. The only thing blotted out will be my name addy and phone #, as I was the one who brought in the sample.

can you post these on other sites just so they don't magically disappear. By the way did anyone see 20/20 or one of those shows where stores were selling gold(10kt14kt-18kt-24kt)and when the show had the gold tested it came out a lot less then what they were charging you for.(illegal) The guys selling the gold tried to blame it on the manufacturer. But it is up to the person or persons selling the gold(or protein) in this case to make sure what you are selling is exactly what the consumer is getting. There are no excuses what so ever.

I have said this before, by your protein from a reputable company. If it taste to good then there is something wrong...
 
Four pages and still no reply from George.

Anyways, I'd still buy the stuff cuz of it's taste and most proteins only have about 30g's of protein anyway.
 
WTF is up with all these side comments and shit. Keep to the topic at hand. Which is Triple Threat lacking protein.
 
Cornholio - do you happen to still have the paper that came in the box when your protein was delivered?
The reason I ask, most of the time it says 60g of protein - but I was talking to someone else that uses this stuff and they said that they recalled seeing one that said 32g and thought it odd, and then noticed the others all said 60g.

So, it makes me wonder if you happened to get one from that batch as well - and if perhaps one batch the company just fucked up?

basically way more tests need to be done and I need more sleep. and hookers.
 
Anal AssPlorer said:
WTF is up with all these side comments and shit. Keep to the topic at hand. Which is Triple Threat lacking protein.

exactly, this has to be addressed. i just talked to chris from ef and told him about the threads. we should expect a response soon.

peace,
ragin'
 
I have got the answer........Cornholio tested some of the
cheaper Spellwin Triple Threat he has on sale out of the
damn blue at 43.97.....and he should have tested the good
batch which Spelly sells for 58.97. You see some Mexican
operation made the tested batch and they can't damn count
so 30 grams could be 60 grams to them. Every time Spell-man
runs a damn sale.....rest assured you are getting the 1/2
protein batch.

Out
 
Wouldn't 30% moisture make it liquid?

Or is it like us and has skin that keeps the water inside? :D

I think the moisture/protein levels are fucked up on this test.
 
Wasn't Spell daddy bitching about how the website needed to
be funded for the porn postings and the damn band width problem. I even recall him complaining that not enough supplement sales were coming from the site.........If Cornholio
is right.......and that is pending............then I believe

That George Spellwin should refund every fucking dollar
he has SCAMMED from the people buying his 60 gram product...

Pass this on to everyone that to demand a refund and I
believe he used that extra "Platinum" crap to find some way
to SCAM everyone on this Triple Threat..........

It is a damn "Triple Threat" alright

threat 1. false advertising
threat 2. cycles fucked because of not being able to calculate
threat 3. this guy bitching about other sites and he is the "CON"
 
tbro - don't jump to any conclusions yet. Let's see how this plays out with another round of testing and a statement from George.
 
I say there's no point of testing another batch. ALL batches have to meet label claims. One batch that testes bad is enough to stop trusting a company's "protein".

I'm out.
 
RippedUp said:
I say there's no point of testing another batch. ALL batches have to meet label claims. One batch that testes bad is enough to stop trusting a company's "protein".

I'm out.

Hey ass! We live in america well you're innocent until proven guilty. Give the big man a chance to clarify or at least the 2nd round of tests. George has repeatedly shown that he is a honorable man of business. He wouldn't let us down like this on purpose.
 
if they had done large scale testing and got these results, then I'd be pissed - but to get pissed over one test just means you don't know stats all that well.
that said, I'm curious as hell whether or not I need to start either having twice as much in my shake, or buying from proteinfactory instead.
 
maybe the protein settled to the bottom and all that ash and moisture stayed on top. and thats what they tested. all that ash and moisture. but hell, thats alot of ash and moisture though.
 
man.. I just ordered some last night too.

well if this is the case I guess I will have to mix it with that EAS puke.
 
Thanks for having the product tested Cornholio. I would not have suggested we test Triple Threat 3/60 and post the results here if I were not 100% confident in the outcome. Additionally, Elite Fitness is not the place where anyone gets banned for educational posts like this one or where posts of this type get censored. In fact, I’m honored that so many of you care so much about my supplements to go to this sort of trouble.

This said, I know I would be concerned too if I saw preliminary results like those that are posted here.

Here are my comments:

The results posted here look accurate with regards to the carbs, ash, and fat. A bit of background on how protein is tested. First, ash is not the stuff in your fireplace – ash is minerals in the protein powder. In Triple Threat’s case, this comes from the vitamin mineral mix that is added (zinc, iron, copper, etc.) and more significantly from calcium that comes from the milk protein.

Carbohydrates are calculated as follows:

Total Weight – Ash – Protein – Fat - Moisture = Carbohydrates

I think we all agree that the Fat and Carbohydrate count are representative of label claim and I hope you will trust me on my explanation of ash. In fact, I think what you were all afraid of when you set our to have the protein tested, is that Triple Threat might, because it tastes so good, be in fact much higher in Carbs and much higher in Fat than it actually is. I’m glad that this test confirms that the good taste does not come from more carbs or fat than are on the label.

Now, regarding protein, I do not mean to suggest that the sample of Triple Threat tested was somehow compromised in any way, and I know nothing about the lab where the sample was tested, but I would have to take issue with the amount of moisture found in the sample. Typically moisture accounts for 3% to 6% of a food powder’s weight. These lab results would suggest that here, moisture accounted for 26 grams of the 90gram serving size. Indeed, the results suggest that Triple Threat is almost 1/3 moisture. And I think we would all agree, that Triple Threat is no more or less moist than any other protein powder. If the moisture component was more inline with the norm, and with our past analyses, then the protein number would correlate almost perfectly with label claim.

I am interested in seeing the results of the analysis when protein is retested as this much moisture does not stand up to even a simple integrity check. Here are the results of a test we conducted for our internal quality control purposes.

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Lastly, we stand behind our products 100% and as always want you, our members and customers, to be completely satisfied. As always, if any product does not meet your needs, I hope you will return it for a prompt refund without question, but in the case of Triple Threat, I do not think we will find it to be deficient in protein.
 
this is just as bad as getting scammed for gear guys..

where trying to fucking grow and we get 32 g of protein, my god, this is bullshit. We all should get are fucking money back. Fucking scammer spellwin. This board and your company sure have went to hell lately you lowlife piece of shit!
 
Like I said primobone,

I appreciate your concern. And I know I would be angry too. But do you really think that 30% of Triple Threat's weight is moisture? I know this is not the case, but as I said, if you believe it is, and find this unsatisfactory, then I want you to return it for your money back.
 
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