Iud

[EVE]

please tell me all about your experience w/ the IUD. I've never had kids but want them someday so my gyno is trying to discourage me from using it. I've read all about it and it seems safe. I absolutely will not use The Pill. I will not take synthetic hormones so please don't post back trying to convince me that they're good for me. I just want to hear some peoples experience w/ the IUD.

Thanks!

 

[Phemomena]

hehe... you said gyno and i was thinking what the???? guess i've been spending too much time reading the A board

sorry, i'm no help, never had one...

 

[X.X]

Hi Eve. Weel, I've never used an IUD, but there are several previous post concerning this device.

Did your doctor enlighten you as to why she/he didn't think that it was a good idea?

 

[KBgrl]

yea.. i hear ya.. the pill sucks!!i gained like 10 pounds on the pill.. and in all those wonderful "womanly" areas. i had to run my ass off for a yr to lose that fat!! it was not fun. anyway.. do a search here on the board for info on the IUD. u should find a lot. i would not reccomend it though, especially if u want kids in the future. hey.. what about condoms?? i know i know!! YUK!! NO FUN. sorry cant help more than that.. im livin on the edge when it comes to this stuff . good luck!!

 

[EVE]

LMAO
These are some funny responses. I'm gonna go search and see what i can find. My OB-GYN (don't want to confuse anybody ) just says what all the pamphlets would say about birth control. He is super pro-The Pill just like everyone else. It's like a conspiracy against women.

 

[Star]

The doctor doesn't recommend the IUD because she hasn't had children yet. Most OBGYN's do not insert IUD into women that have not given birth. It is much more painful to insert in that case and the cramping is much more intense. I had an IUD and I have had a child....After about 4 months of cramping....constant spotting and bleeding I had it removed. I felt like my insides were raw. The IUD is considered a long term birth control...up to 10 yrs. I would recommend something else. I know it sounds so sweet and easy but you will get a big dose of reality if you go through with it.

Just my experience.
Star

 

[EVE]

That really sucks. what do you use now?

 

[Star]

the pill. I wish the IUD would of been the wonderful thing it's made out to be but it wasn't. I have never been one that had bad cramps or anything either but this thing made me have PMS 24/7 for 4 mo's....sucked. The over the counter spermicides are pretty good. You can get them predone in a little plunger that you just insert (like a tampon) or in a little tiny piece of film that melts upon insertion. No sides with that at all except emptypocketbookitis......get's expensive if you have a healthy sex life.

Star

 

[FitFossil]

I've had good results with the IUD for the past 4 years, but they're not right for everyone. I have known other women who met all the criteria, but they still got terrible bleeding and cramps and had to have them removed. I guess it's like the Pill - makes some women gain weight (like me) and makes some women lose weight.

An IUD is not recommended for women who plan on having children in the future and/or women not in a long-term monogomous relationship (greater chance of infection).

I may be dating myself back to the stone age, but I don't think anyone has mentioned the cervical cap or diaphram. Does anyone use these anymore?

 

[KBgrl]

ok ladies i found the ultimate solution!!!!! THE PILL FOR MEN!!! oh yea baby.. thats what im talking about.. let them deal w/ all the weight gain and having to remember to take their little blue, green and white pills every damn day ahhhh!!! i could never remember to take mine anyway. it was soo funny cause the only time i would remember was after i had sex.. i would jump up in a frenzy and be like "OMG.. where are my pills, WHERE ARE MY PILLS!!!!?!?!" nothing better than that to kill the "after sex high" huh???isnt there something like the pill for men out there now.?i thought i heard something about it a while back.. it could have just been talk/hype . its nice to dream though good luck ladies!! -- KBgrl

 

[firephysic]

male birth control

now don't run out quoting this as gospel, but i heard that approx. 200mg of test per week is effective as male fertility control. someone, somewhere quoted this from some study. i'm sure there are plenty of guys that can vouch, cause i know they take way more than 200mg

 

[thebabydoc]

Eve:

Please check out my postings in "Help!! Need contraception" board
but here is a copy of one...

I would like to get back to the IUD issue.

I used to have many patients who were dancers (strippers) and were extremely
uptight about even a couple of pounds. After trying OCP's and depo (gotta at least
give them a try first) we went with the IUD. The vast majority were ecstatic and could
put up with the extra cramping for 2 or 3 days a month. If you haven't had kids, then
the uterus tends to not have "stretched out" (for want of a better explanation) and
often this results in stronger cramping during the menstrual cycle. Getting it through
the cervix is never a problem.

For BB's, who are even more concerned with the effects of estrogen (and
progesterone) on body fat and weight, the copper IUD is far and away the best option
provided informed consent is obtained. Doctors provide and get informed consents to
CYA (Cover Your Ass). As with any procedure, patients MUST be informed of ALL the
risks, no matter how remote, and this discussion of the risks often uneccessarily
scares patients such as Star. As a result, they tend to scare off other patients..."I
would say the odds are 8 out of 10 women have them removed after insertion
because of complications.......Cramping......bleeding.....yada yada yada" (Thank you,
Star...(Remember what I said earlier about SAMPLING ERROR?) Don't get me wrong,
this is as much Stars doctor's fault as it is hers. I place approximately 100 IUD's yearly
and I have removed perhaps 6 of them.

The IUD can be a bit pricey though, as the Paragard T380 costs me $297.50
wholesale. Plus you gotta pay the doc to put it in, average total- around $450-$500.
Most insurances do cover it though. If you don't like it, you can have it taken it out.
Only 10% of women experience significant side effects and of those 10%, 90%
experience resolution of these symptoms within the first three months. Failure rates
are typically less than 1%.

As for the hormonal methods, you have to give them a try to find out how they will
affect you. After all, you spend YEARS building, shaping, and defining your bodies,
what's a few extra months to find an effective contraceptive?
And yes, as a few have noted, when you're not having your periods, it is harder to get
pregnant. Anovulation (not ovulating) is usually the cause, whether it be central
(hypogonadotrophic- from the brain) or ovarian (ovaries not working). If you're not
ovulating, it's pretty tough to get pregnant. The problem is that there are 12 months a
year for a "breakthrough" ovulation to occur, and because ovulation preceeds
menstruation, you only know about it once it's too late...


Bottom line, you CAN use the IUD even if you haven't had but still want kids in the future.

babydoc

 

[dieslgrl]

I am thinking..

I had a double take on the gyno as well!! I am thinking, this girl has bitch tits??!!! What the ----??!!!

I found that funny and probably spend too much time on these boards as well!!!

DG

Good luck!

 

[EVE]

babydoc-
i'm so happy you replyed. I have a couple of questions.

-So, you view the iud as SAFE?
-Do people find sex to be painful?
-How often do you see women develop infections?
-what about oral sex?
-How much of an annoyance are the strings?
-How often do you see them become dislodged?
-Does it reduce bloating?
-My insurance doesn't seem to cover it....do most OBGYNs give a partial refund or rebate if you need it removed due to complications? I don't want to throw away $500+ dollars.
-Why won't planned parenthood offer this for free???
-Is there anything else you think I should know?

Thanks!

 

[KBgrl]

babydoc-
i'm so happy you replyed. I have a couple of questions.

-So, you view the iud as SAFE?
-Do people find sex to be painful?
-How often do you see women develop infections?
-what about oral sex?
-How much of an annoyance are the strings?
-How often do you see them become dislodged?
-Does it reduce bloating?
-My insurance doesn't seem to cover it....do most OBGYNs give a partial refund or rebate if you need it removed due to complications? I don't want to throw away $500+ dollars.
-Why won't planned parenthood offer this for free???
-Is there anything else you think I should know?

Thanks!

good questions.. but i have one for u what about oral sex!?!? what does that have to do w/ getting pregnant or an iud?? did i miss something? i dont think u have to worry about anything when it comes to that

 

[EVE]

good questions.. but i have one for u what about oral sex!?!? what does that have to do w/ getting pregnant or an iud?? did i miss something? i dont think u have to worry about anything when it comes to that

, the strings?

 

[KBgrl]

OHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! nowww i see i know the strings are VERY thin.. but i would imagine that it could be a lil annoying. do they hang out?? i dont know all the details... well if they do..look on the bright side.. ur guy can floss and please u at the same... killin two birds w/ one stone.

 

[Phemomena]

OHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! nowww i see i know the strings are VERY thin.. but i would imagine that it could be a lil annoying. do they hang out?? i dont know all the details... well if they do..look on the bright side.. ur guy can floss and please u at the same... killin two birds w/ one stone.

okay, you just took dental hygenics to a new level there...

 

[Star]

no, it does not hang out. It hangs out of the cervix slighty for removal of the iud.,,,etc etc. and baby Doc PLEASE stop referring to me as a sampling error and frightened....I AM NEITHER. I am a person and those were MY experiences and I was NOT frightened before or after by anyone. When you get a vagina then you can start telling me how I feel until then You are acting just like another typical MALE doctor.

star

 

[EVE]

OHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! nowww i see i know the strings are VERY thin.. but i would imagine that it could be a lil annoying. do they hang out?? i dont know all the details... well if they do..look on the bright side.. ur guy can floss and please u at the same... killin two birds w/ one stone.

 

[EVE]

i think it's starting to get hot in here.

 

[EVE]

bump 4 answers

 

[KBgrl]

ALRIGHT GIRLS!!!! EVE -- PHEM... im playin girls... im also LMAO right now... i love the little puking face.. ahhh.. nothing beats that one!!! LOL.. STAR.. AMEN SISTER!! eeeehhhhwwwweeee... i didnt know babydoc was a male?!?!?!!? geez... its always worse when it comes from one of THEM, lol.. i know just let it roll girl.. its not worth the stress. u know whats goign on w/ u and thats all that matters. someone will always have an opinion but thats exactly what it is...a simple opinion.ya know whats ironic though.. my first gyno visit was w/ a woman and it was an absolute nightmare. i wound up rushed to the hospital not even one hour after i left her office!!! she was rude.. and just didnt give a shit about any of my questions or my body. my male gyno. is the best!!! he is such a sweetheart... i think im in LUV . lol... ok ladies... take care of urselves...HAVE FUN and remember be safe... dont worry about all this IUD shit... just use saran wrap .. ok that was joke.. i would hate to be responsible for some dumb ass taking that literally. -- until next time-- KBgrl

 

[thebabydoc]

KBGirl:

Thanks... I think

Once again, Star... those are your personal opinions and experiences and yes,
unfortunately for the other women here, Eve included, you DO represent a sampling error.

Since I cut and pasted my last post, I wasn't trying to restate my position to challenge you... here's another cut and paste just for you Star...

"As for Star, I'm sorry that you do not have access to any "reputable" doctors in Texas.


It sounds like your gynecological experiences have been less than satisfying and I'm
sorry that you have had a hard time finding the right doctors/treatments. It sucks, and
as your comments show, it's tough for a layperson to know who is "reputable" and
who is not. That's one of the reasons that I was posting to this board; I'd like women
to have current and accurate data to use and pass on to their friends. If you want to
e-mail me your location I can see if I'm familiar with someone in your area. "

A review of the IUD = IntraUterine Device.
Application: In office, less than 5 minutes
Failure rate: from 1/100 – 1/200
Benefits: Effective long term, no systemic hormones, minimal patient effort/compliance needed.
Mechanism of action: Sterile, localized inflammatory reaction. NOT an abortifacient!!! (i.e
it does NOT work by causing the abortion of a fertilized egg at any stage; it prevents fertilization by destroying egg and/or sperm)

THE IUD IS THE MOST WIDELY USED METHOD OF REVERSIBLE CONTRACEPTION IN THE
ENTIRE WORLD AND HAS EXISTED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS!!

3 types:
1. Copper- Paragard T380 (10 years)
2. Progestasert (1 year, progesterone-containing)
3. 5 year progesterone-containing

Side effects:

1. Copper- Heavier menses (more cramping, clots), usually resolve within 3 months. Occurs in
approximately 10% of women.
2. Progesterone containing- Occasional spotting, irregular bleeding, or missed menses; periods
may be stronger (cramping).
Most side effects improve within 3 months of insertion as well as with the use of non-steroidals
(e.g. Motrin)

Risks:
1. PID (Pelvic Inflammatory Disease).
This is more likely with multiple sexual partners or in the presence of STD’s (especially
chlamydia and gonorrhea). Localized (vaginal, cervical) STD infection can more easily spread
to uterus, tubes, ovaries, and pelvis. If not promptly treated this can in turn lead to internal
scarring of reproductive organs and subsequent infertility.
This was one of the reasons for previous recommendations that nulliparous women (without
children) should not be offered IUD’s. The major culprit for PID resulting from an IUD was an
IUD called the Dalkon Shield, which has been off the market and the company bankrupt for
20+ years. This was due to a design flaw in the string used on that particular IUD.
In general, the incidence of PID can be reduced by proper patient selection and education.
A rare form of PID caused by an unusual organism called Actinomyces israeli occurs mostly in
older women and only with copper-containing IUD’s. This bacteria can be detected on Pap
smears.

2. Perforation/migration.
Incidence of 1 in 1,500. Usually occurs at time of insertion. Definitely operator- dependent, but
can also occur with time left in place (VERY rare). Can require surgery to remove. Also can lead
to internal scarring and infertility if perforation is not detected and the offending IUD removed.

3. Expulsion (IUD falls out).
Not always detectible by patient. This leads to unintended pregnancy. Tends to occur most
often in the first several months of use as the uterus contracts and cramps and the IUD is more
properly positioned within the uterus.

4. Pregnancy.
0.5-1 in 100 women will become pregnant. Upon missing a period, pregnancy test must be done
immediately and the IUD removed ASAP. 50% of the time, the pregnancy will not be normal and
will spontaneously abort after IUD removal. There is a higher complication rate in patients with
IUD’s either removed or in place during a pregnancy.

To directly respond to Eve's questions:

-So, you view the iud as SAFE?
A: Yes

-Do people find sex to be painful?
A: Only Star...seriously- only rarely

-How often do you see women develop infections?
A: Extremely rarely; with 'responsible' patients (those that can be relied on to call in the event of a problem as well as those with a single, monagamous sexual partner) serious infections are extremely rare

-what about oral sex?
A:Sure, when?...seriously- a non-issue, except if you have an increase in vaginal discharge.

-How much of an annoyance are the strings?
A: Occasionally, a partner will complain that they feel the string (also pretty rare occurence). Usually the string is too short and is sticking straight out from the cervical os (opening) or it has been curled at the end...in every case, a little adjustment has always done the trick.

-How often do you see them become dislodged?
A: Also rare, like 2-3%. Usually occurs within the first cycle, hence I see patients for a quick ckeck at 6 weeks.

-Does it reduce bloating?
A:also a non-issue. Even the progesterone IUD only exerts a local effect from the hormone, so NO CONTRACEPTIVE-RELATED BLOATING!!!

-My insurance doesn't seem to cover it....do most OBGYNs give a partial
refund or rebate if you need it removed due to complications? I don't want to
throw away $500+ dollars.
A:a) change that piece-of-shit insurance...they probably will pay for Viagra, though
b)Does any drug or other company do that? because I would like definitely buy their products. Sure,
I know it's not fair but no one said life was fair.
You can buy the thing out of the USA (especially in Mexico) and the device costs less than $30 and is THE EXACT SAME THING. As a matter of fact, the Paragard T380 from France has a ten times better applicator!! Thank Star
and your local PI lawyer for the price of the IUD in the U.S. Fact is, it costs like 23 cents to manufacture and there
are virtually no R&D $$$'s that need to be recouped unlike for other drugs, it's a medico-legal related.

-Why won't planned parenthood offer this for free???
A: Don't start me on Planned Parenthood...They are a pack of Fucking thieves. They are not non-
profit despite their claims; their directors and anyone higher up in the organization make BIG BUCKS. Only it's
paid as salary so the accountants show the organization as not-for-profit, The pack of pills they sell you for
$12 costs them $2, the doctors that work for them are washed-up has beens and are rarely actively
practicing Ob/Gyns (usually they only still perform abortions, and patients get seen by nurses
when they are led to believe that somehow they are getting doctors or that they are being supervised
by M.D.'s. Truth is, you get what you pay for...and they aren't even that cheap.

-Is there anything else you think I should know?
A: It's worth a try if nothing else has worked. Ortho has a program that supplies IUD's free for patients who qualify financially. When you compare costs, after 18 months it's the cheapest form of contraception by
a landslide, And don't forget, abortions ain't cheap either (average $350).

Hope this helps...
If you are in Phoenix maybe I can help you out if you promise to shut Star the F*ck up.

 

[Star]

I am not a sampling error....It did not hurt for me to have sex and it's gonna be even less painful when I tell you to fuck off.

Sincerely,
Star

 

[Fonz]

I am not a sampling error....It did not hurt for me to have sex and it's gonna be even less painful when I tell you to fuck off.

Sincerely,
Star

That was un-called for Star.

Godspeed

 

[Star]

Oh Fonz don't get your panties in a bunch. This guy has consistently told me that I don't know how my own Vagina feels. Just cause he delivers babies doesn't mean he knows what it feels like to have them. The God like and patronizing comments of his finally just burned my butt a little too much.

I stand by my comment.

Respectfully,
Star

 

[target]

I agree

I agree everything affects everyone differently so even if it is rare it means that it still happens. As for the IUD I too wanted the device but I have never had children so the Dr didnt recommend it, however she did say its great if you did have kids already. I just read an article in Self magazine about a newer smaller iud that is plastic, (i dont know if they all are now they didnt used to be) so you could check up on that maybe? But if yor dr doesnt recommend it I would stick with her I mean after all she is the one who knows you pretty well when it comes to that area.

 

[thebabydoc]

My apologies, in advance, to the rest of you but this needed to be said...

Star,

I never said ANYTHING that even closely resembles or could be inferred to mean that I think that you (or half the men in Dallas) don't know what your vagina feels like. I think your misguided comments (such as this previous one) have come from your ignorance and lack of understanding of biostatistics and certain terminology.

"Sampling error" does not mean that YOU are an error (although maybe your parents thought so), nor that you are lying, exaggerating, or anything else about YOU. You see, it's not ALL about YOU Star. Sampling error refers to the statistics, the numbers, and the collection of data, specifically relating to the actual number of responses one receives in a study. A sampling error means that the responses received do not represent the true distribution of numbers/responses. The fact that your personal experience falls under this category actually acknowledges that YOU HAVE HAD THIS EXPERIENCE. "Sampling error" merely indicates that that particular response/experience is disproportionately reflected (either less so or more so than in reality) in that particular response group. In fact, I have acknowledged that your problem exists...

" It sounds like your gynecological experiences have been less than satisfying and I'm
sorry that you have had a hard time finding the right doctors/treatments. It sucks, and
as your comments show, it's tough for a layperson to know who is "reputable" and
who is not. That's one of the reasons that I was posting to this board; I'd like women
to have current and accurate data to use and pass on to their friends. If you want to
e-mail me your location I can see if I'm familiar with someone in your area. "

My comments are neither "God-like" [my correction] or "patronizing" (although the following will be). Because you think it's all about you, you take it all personally, as if someone were challenging your veracity (that means truthfulness). In truth, I was trying to be sympathetic to your very real problems while at the same time attempting to reassure those to whom you were spreading misinformation and scare-mongering.

And now, for you to insult Fonz with that panties comment...Please, grow up. It seems that your problem is with men in general. I have another suggestion so that you wouldn't even need to bother with contraception and might solve your problems at the same time...

To accuse me of any of those things you have because I am a male is just as bad if not worse than that which you are accusing me of. My gender has nothing to do with my medical opinion, knowledge, or choice of treatments. For you to assume so is bigoted and "reverse chauvinist". What we often find in gynecology (male and female doctors alike) is that most pain-related complaints have a largely psychological component. It is for this reason that Prozac and Xanax are the 2 of the only 3 meds ever to be proven to be of help with premenstrual syndrome and dysmenorrhea (the other is ponstel, a nonsteroidal). Maybe you should add a shrink to your shopping list of doctors and stop trying to drag others down into the sad place where you emotionally reside.

thebabydoc

 

[Star]

Listen Mister......I am a MOTHER and a WIDOW....I have not ever and will not ever let half the Men in Dallas sample my Vagina. It is obvious your level of professionalism is lacking due to the fact that you felt a need to personally attack me. Never said you were an asshole or implied that you were a fatherless son of a whore now did I....NO I DIDN'T. I asked you to stop referring to ME and MY experiences as a sampling error and a product of fear. You act as if your "Professional" opinion is all encompassing and therefore anything that is in conflict becomes a sampling error. And yes, you were referring to me in particular since you said my name more than once. Now you are implying that my problems with the IUD were psychological and I am self centered. I believe the above question begins with

Quote: "Tell me about YOUR experiences"

That would be mine sir.....since I have a Vagina. I answered her question about MY experience. Yes, you show your god complex thoroughly sir.

Star

 

[thebabydoc]

Once again for those who are illiterate...(STAR)

Sampling error is based on real numbers, not on whether or not it agrees with
my opinion, professional or otherwise.

Just as you've spent whatever number of years learning how to dance naked on
a pole, I've spent decades learning my profession, which relies on history, studies,
numbers, and FACTS. FACTS which I use to objectively counsel patients with the TRUTH. I already
stated on several occasions the bad side effects of the IUD, and I don't own stock
in any company that makes them. Those facts that I presented OBJECTIVELY on the IUD are
not my opinion, they are FACTS. Based on studies of thousands upon thousands of women.
On the other hand, what you have done throughout your misinformed threads is to state your
opinion as fact (and I quote...)

" An IUD is an Internal Uterine Device and can only be used if she has already had a
child. It is a little implant placed in the cervix. I also had one of those and had to have
it removed. You have to sign a waver to get one...In other words not safe. "

and other gems like...

" You can only have an IUD after you have given birth. The cervix has to be wide enough
and that does not occur unless you have had children. There is not only the risks of
what you have mentioned but also the extreme danger that a woman is put in if she
does in fact become pregnant while using an IUD. There's also something else about
the copper wire. (can't remember though). I would say the odds are 8 out of 10
women have them removed after insertion because of
complications.......Cramping......bleeding.....yada yada yada"

and...

" I also have NEVER heard of a reputable doctor that would insert an IUD into a woman
who has not given birth."

And that's only the tip of the iceberg. None of these comments discuss your experiences, as you claimed
when attacking me for trying to help. Your threads are opinions stated as facts. People like you make all
our jobs harder and are the reason that millions of women have unintended pregnancies each year and
die of breast and cervical cancer from fear of medicine. You care about nothing but yourself and validating
that your "pain" and "experiences" exist.

And as for your background, again I quote...

" Well my mom did sleep around a lot so it wouldn't surprise me..."

Do you think that because you have a vagina, got pregnant and buried a man that that makes you an
expert on the female body? Stick to the Prozac and do the women here a favor and shut up, listen or ask questions, and you might just learn something.

By the way, nice tat.

And lighten up a bit, remember you're the one who made this personal, and in a battle
of wits, I fear you might just be unarmed. So let's just drop this.


"can't we all just get along?"

thebabydoc

 

[Star]

Do you think that because you have a vagina, got pregnant and buried a man that that makes you an
expert on the female body?

Makes me a whole lot more experienced than you!! Your pole comment was almost amusing. Besides the pole I started a successful construction company (on my own) and am now an assistant to the ceo of a chemical corporation. You can not belittle me. When you have an IUD inserted in your VAGINA and can speak of your own experience then you can tell me to shut up. I have a good home, a great job, a better family, and a wonderful life........Prozac isn't in my past or any forseeable future. You have the intellect where I consider this battle a challenge for that I say touche but I will add that being the "doctor" I would expect more of you than those low brow personal attacks. I am quite disappointed in you.

Star

 

[thebabydoc]

So because I am a doctor I'm dead to the world and can't insult and belittle
insolent people anymore? Well just show me where I should have turned in
my "fuck-you, I'm-from-New-York" sarcasm license!
By the by, none of my attacks were "low brow", they were all way
above the belt, tongue-in-cheek (but I guess you didn't get the smiley faces).
Oh yes, how much would it piss you off and mess up your whole theory of life
if you were to find out I AM a woman? Oooooops!!!!

Another quote...

" The IUD was hellacious. I had constant cramping, spotting..etc. and I did keep it in past the usual 3
month adjustment period. I guess I live in a weird place cause I also have not met but
one woman that has had no problems with their IUD. Maybe it's all the hay in the air." (7/10/01)

" When you have an IUD inserted in your VAGINA and can speak...."

The IUD goes in the UTERUS, not the vagina, maybe it was that and not the hay that
was the source of your problem Star...

Just remember...
" It is far better to let people think that you are stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. "

 

[Star]

Tardo......To get to the Uterus they go through the Vagina. Was that really the best you could do? Obviously you will never stop babbling because your ego mandates the constant need to feel superior. Maybe from now on when seeing patients you should look up once and a while.

Good Day
Star

 

[EVE]

Wow! good thread.

Well , i am taking all of this into account. It's good to here both sides. and it is always great to hear of a personal experience because i feel i am way more attuned to my body than the average female and can assure you that i would be the first to notice any negative side effects. ALso, it's nice to finally hear from a professional who would give the thumbs up on the iud even for someone w/o children. So based on statistics, babydocs observations, my HATE for synthetic hormones, the ridiculousness of condoms in a monog/disease-free relationship, and my undying need for an effective/tasteless/scentless form of contraception, I think I'm going to find a new gynecologist and give it a try.

 

[KBgrl]

welllll. EVE-- im glad u got what ur looking for, 2 points of view.. good luck with everything!!! STAR--- hun, dont let this shit upset you.. dont even respond. i can really sense that u are very upset. like i said before, u know whats up with u, forget everyone else. obviously babydoc doesnt know where u are coming from so why bother trying to convince someone who will never be convinced. agree to disagree and let it be the end. Sorry to hear about ur experiences though. its sounds like you are doing well for urself now. take care and best wishes to u and ur family. BABYDOC --- ur knowledge on this topic is much apprecited but seriously-- give the girl a break, u gave some low blows. im sure shes a hardworking mom and that disrespect is just wrong all together. remember the women in ur family before u speak to other women like u spoke to star. -- KB

 

[thebabydoc]

YES! I WIN!!!! TAKE THAT STAR!!!!


All kidding aside, good luck, Eve, I really hope it works out well for you.
Now I'm going to be all worried for the next 3 months that it works
well and that you suffer none of the possible side effects. Make sure you
bring up everything we discussed with your doc.

No matter what, at least it's worth a try. Please let me know, I mean that.
I'll even look up from my work to check my e-mail (whatever
that means-- talk about "tardo")

If you don't like it then you can always have it removed.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

thebabydoc

 

[Sassy69]

babydoc! Love your posts! Its great to have someone from the medical community to provide answers within this context (sports, health, women , diet, even AS) - I've asked my doc some questions in the context of bodybuilding (weight gain, questions about nolvadex, etc) and he just has trouble getting past the reason I'm asking the questions. He provides answers as he knows them, but he is not familiar with the context I'm asking from - e.g. FBBs use nolvadex for dealing w/ that damn estrogen fat to help lean out. That was news to him, so he was like well, just don't use it. So then I could conceivable just get it from a private source and use it, not really understanding what it does, even though I tried to ask. Not his fault - but frustrating. The alternative is to ask questions here, and a lot of the responses are conjecture, personal experience, repeated things heard somewhere else, etc. So we essentially become a bunch of on-going human experiments in "sports chemistry".

Anyway, had a question about birth control. Do you have any stats on the number of women who do experience weight gain with birth control? From responses on this board, it sounds like in general, everyone does. I've been on b/c for 15 on a very low dose pill (Triphasal) and I don't recall gaining weight other than the weight I already had. I went off in Feb and didnt' notice any weight loss either. So is this telling me that I'm not "prone" to the weight gain or I'm on such a low dose that it won't affect me? So if I go back on, I still get the anti-baby effects (LOL) and don't gain weight?? Am I the statistical "outlier" or is this at least sort of common?

 

[minimusglutamus]

I used the IUD for 6 years with absolutely no problems. I had it takin out because I wanted to have a child. And wouldnt ya know it she was born 10 months later! From my experience, it was a good one. Could be different from person to person however. If you have done the research.....and feel comfortable with your own knowledge of the IUD, then I would say go for it.

 

[KBgrl]

SASSY -- i gained about 10 pounds when i was on bc it wa shorrible... all went to hips and ass... it took me FORFREAKIN ever to get that sloppy shit off me!!! it was not easy! . i was on a high dose though. maybe its b/c ur on a low dose u didnt experience weight gain. i asked ofr just about the high dosage possible.. i could barely stand my boyfriend nevermind lil junior runnin around . Now im terrified to go back on it. i dont think i will ever again pp even a low dose. its just that the weight u gain while on it is like the most stubborn fat ever!! it just never wants to leave. ur a lucky gal!! actually.. i believe (and correct me if im wrong babydoc) that after a number amount of years after taking bc u cant get pregnant as soon as u stop... maybe a yr or two sometimes before u can concieve. is that correct??? so if that is... u have some time yet... before u have to go back on em

 

[thebabydoc]

nope KB, it's Depo that can take 3 to 18 months to return to fertility.
No such effect from ocp's (except, very rarely, post-pill amenorrhea.)
Also, it's a fraud to tell you it's the dose of the pill that causes the problems;
that's mostly a gimmick like the triphasics to keep customer base and patents.
tI's the PROGESTERONE component that gives most of the problems. I have found
levonorgestrel and desogestrel to be the worst culprits.

Sassy:
The numbers for weight gain with OCP's (usually <5 lbs) is 5%
Unfortunately FBB's are not typical and are VERY aware and sensitive to even
slight changes due to a) the gear, and b) the acute knowledge of %BF.
Also (and I have no idea why) just because you restart the same pill does NOT
mean you won't get side effects this time around.

I glad my posts have brought some more posters like fitfossil and minimusglutes out
to balance our sampling error.

spatterson: I have never had the experience that your nurse practitioner friend
has described to you. Although I do find that some women have an increase in
vaginal mucus production/discharge, it is non-infectious when examined properly.
Maybe they're overtreating normal leukorrhea.

thebabydoc

 

[KBgrl]

ahhhh thanks babydoc... another good thing to know

 

[karde]

My girlfriend has had problems with the pill because she tends to get more weight gain than she is comfortable with. So I spent some time researching IUDs. From everything I have read, it seems most OB/GYNs in this country lack much education on the subject, or are outdated. Research studies are showing that it is quite safe, and is the most effective at preventing pregnancy next to having your tubes tied.

The World Health Organization (WHO) and United Nations Fund for Population Activities (UNFPA) claim it is one of the safest methods of birth control (doesn't stop STD's though.)

You can check out this link to the WHO's information And also you can order (for free) an information packet regarding IUDs. It has pictures and is easy to understand for the less medically technical of us. Many misconceptions are discussed about them here also. http://www.who.int/reproductive-health/publications/FPP_97_32/FPP_97_32_table_of_contents_en.html


I just thought I would share this with you ladies, hopefully it may help some of you who are unhappy with the pill.

 

[Honeynut]

I'm looking into this now too because like KB the pill makes me feel like a beluga. (Though I've seen her pics and she's got nothing to complain about!)
Thanks for the info!!

 

[karde]

There won't be any rust, as the only metal in it is copper, not iron.

As for infection, the IUD itself will not cause infection. If you already HAVE an infection, or an STD of some type, it can irritate and make it worse. Which is why they don't reccomend it for women who have a history of STD or PID.

Read the link I posted it talks a lot about the long term effects of the IUD. The IUD is one of the oldest forms of birth control, it is not a new science.