Is this too much for newbie? I think not!

[joeljuice]

Moderators of finnish anabolicboard are flaming me because i suggested stack for newbie.

1-8 sust 250mg
1-8 deca 200mg
1-4 dbol 25ed
12-14 clomid

Is that really so much? They say deca only 200mg is enough for rookie. Well maybe, but i think test only would be better, they dont. They claim that test shut's u down harder than deca.

 

[robsatx]

IMHO

I think the dbol should wait. Only do dbol if he is not getting results from the first two.

 

[The Terminator]

It's not too much in that's it's a large amount mg. wise, but it is 3 different drugs. I think you would be better off with one (maybe 2) for the first time out and see if they work well for you.

 

[HOWARDSTERN]

i would stick with two drugs for your first cycle.

 

[Realgains]

I would recommend just one hormone...try test at 300-500per week max.

RG

 

[Mikey]

Well, If you never worked out, or are new to working out, then yeah that may be too much.
However, if you have been training for years, eating right, and feel that it might be the right time for the next level, sure go for it.
IMO, the Deca may be a little much for a newbie.
I have been lifting, dieting, and training for years, my first cycle was Dbol only, and hit it with a second cycle of 250 Omna for 10 weeks and Dbol 1-4 with nice gains. This cycle I am running 500 Sus 10 Weeks and DBol for 1-4.
I have seen some crazy cycles on this board, but IMO, and this is my opinion only, I think you can see some nice gains with 250 - 500 mg of Test per cycle. A gram of Test is not that extreme for larger guys, but the old addage, keep it simple should apply.
Good luck.

 

[manny78]

I wouldn't flame someone for such stack. Ain't that hardcore. Far from what I saw in the past for example 1 g of test... test and deca dosage is ok. If he has to do Dbols, I would rather go for 15 mg ED.... but once again, not that bad.

 

[joeljuice]

Thanks for the answers bro's Maybe dbol is too much for newbie, but i think that test only is better than deca only. Moderators on that board keeps saying test will shut down you more, i dont believe it. Btw, he says he have benched 335lbs naturally and squated 465lbs, so i think he is ready to juice

 

[panerai]

IMO, it depends a lot on many factors, like first of all how close someone is to his genetic limit. For someone who lifts naturally for many years, consistantly, and consistantly making progress and finally hitting plateau, the cycle you suggested would be barely enough to get decent gains.
For the guy who went to gym for couple years, likes to party, etc...and still weight the same when he started, 200mg/week of Deca will probably work.
Also, genetics, some guys grow just fine from 250mg/week of Test, some need 1g/week to see changes (age will be also very important factor here)
But, never mind the results, either way, whoever said that suggested by you cycle is too much, are very wrong! Too much in what sense? It is definately not harmul to the body, in any way, dosages are very low. It has plenty of room for increasing dosages, again, because they are very low. Why would it be too much?
What is the point of using AAS, then? Stay natural and don't bother of getting too much of muscles.
As a stack, it is perfect, IMO. All the growth pathways are nicely covered, androgenic and anabolic are presented, as well as anti-catabolic.
Personally, I would suggest the same, but doubled in dosages.

 

[bigerisbetter]

I would say test and d-bol at low dose is a respectible first.

 

[SmooThy5464]

Moderators of finnish anabolicboard are flaming me because i suggested stack for newbie.

1-8 sust 250mg
1-8 deca 200mg
1-4 dbol 25ed
12-14 clomid

Is that really so much? They say deca only 200mg is enough for rookie. Well maybe, but i think test only would be better, they dont. They claim that test shut's u down harder than deca.

i certainly wouldnt say it is too much gear although u may wanna stick to just 2 of the 3
maybe, say 10weeks sust at 500mg and dbol at like 30mg weeks 1-4 or 5 u will deff grow like crazy with the right diet/training with that (very similar to my first) goodluck...

 

[SmooThy5464]

Re: Re: Is this too much for newbie? I think not!

i certainly wouldnt say it is too much gear although u may wanna stick to just 2 of the 3
maybe, say 10weeks sust at 500mg and dbol at like 30mg weeks 1-4 or 5 u will deff grow like crazy with the right diet/training with that (very similar to my first) although every1 reacts differently to AS and i know i need fairly hgh doses but u may not goodluck...

 

[Seth]

My first cycle - after lots of research - was:
1-10 sust 500mg
1-10 deca 400mg
1-4 dbol 30ed
13-15 clomid

I dropped the dbol on my next cycle. It was productive, but I gained a ton of water weight and the pumps were too much for me at times.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to a first timer if they have done enough research to know the potential side effects.

 

[JP@Ironology]

I think one compound at a time to see how your body reacts first.

 

[galaxy]

I dont think a pump could ever be too much for me........I would drop the test and just do deca and dbol. Add the test into next cycle..............galaxy