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disinfodevil

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I have been waiting for someone to bring up IP Address information. I wouldn't be so concerned but I know everybody that posts personal gear related information does not go through the trouble of hiding their IP Address every time they do it. Anyway, I think that the users have a right to know how exclusive their personal information is at EliteFitness.com.

If you think about it, the cops can only see which IP Addresses visit this website in general (The Web server only logs IP Addresses). They do not know which IP Addresses made which posts. UNLESS... The EliteFitness.com Administrators were to give the authorities access to database information which could easily reveal IP Address >> Username >> Specific Forum Posts Information. I think all members would find it very interesting if this is true. I looked on the EliteFitness.com privacy policy and found nothing about this topic. If this question does get answered by EliteFitness Administrators then I think this should definitely be sticky'ed!!
 
disinfodevil said:
I have been waiting for someone to bring up IP Address information. I wouldn't be so concerned but I know everybody that posts personal gear related information does not go through the trouble of hiding their IP Address every time they do it. Anyway, I think that the users have a right to know how exclusive their personal information is at EliteFitness.com.
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Me too! I tried with a couple posts but people dont seem to concerned on this forum.

I would venture that 2-3% MAX of the members here use an anonymous proxy.
And your thinking is dead on, posting any info that aids in the use or distribution of illegal drugs is a crime in itself. Anyone whol uses their real ip to post on ANY forum where the focus is criminal activity is asking for trouble.

IPs ARE logged , I can promise you that! ;) Feds routinely take over server machines of forums like this and download the forum db... and BAM! Hosting offshore USED to be semi-bulletproof, but no more. Can you say IPOL, etc.?

disinfodevil said:
If you think about it, the cops can only see which IP Addresses visit this website in general (The Web server only logs IP Addresses). They do not know which IP Addresses made which posts. UNLESS... The EliteFitness.com Administrators were to give the authorities access to database information which could easily reveal IP Address >> Username >> Specific Forum Posts Information. I think all members would find it very interesting if this is true. I looked on the EliteFitness.com privacy policy and found nothing about this topic. If this question does get answered by EliteFitness Administrators then I think this should definitely be sticky'ed!!
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As mentioned above the Feds can easily take over the server box. They dont need permission. And as you stated they have access to logs. And you can bet law enforcement is entrenched in this forum both in the light and in the shadows.
From what I have seen of admins of this forum , this topic will NOT be addressed.


Good thinking tho bro, everyone should THINK before you act when committing crimes.
 
Lab_Wizard said:
Me too! I tried with a couple posts but people dont seem to concerned on this forum.

I would venture that 2-3% MAX of the members here use an anonymous proxy.
And your thinking is dead on, posting any info that aids in the use or distribution of illegal drugs is a crime in itself. Anyone whol uses their real ip to post on ANY forum where the focus is criminal activity is asking for trouble.

IPs ARE logged , I can promise you that! ;) Feds routinely take over server machines of forums like this and download the forum db... and BAM! Hosting offshore USED to be semi-bulletproof, but no more. Can you say IPOL, etc.?



As mentioned above the Feds can easily take over the server box. They dont need permission. And as you stated they have access to logs. And you can bet law enforcement is entrenched in this forum both in the light and in the shadows.
From what I have seen of admins of this forum , this topic will NOT be addressed.


Good thinking tho bro, everyone should THINK before you act when committing crimes.
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ok can you tell me how to change ip addresses then.
 
One of the big difference between EF and the smaller boards on the net are EF DOES and WILL pat for legal council to protect your privacy.
 
MODS PLEASE COMMENT ON IP Addresses

This should be a sticky. Privacy is an important issue. I also think it's something that should be protected - although it's debatable in some circles.

Any mods want to comment on how our privacy is protected here?
 
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disinfodevil said:
I have been waiting for someone to bring up IP Address information. I wouldn't be so concerned but I know everybody that posts personal gear related information does not go through the trouble of hiding their IP Address every time they do it. Anyway, I think that the users have a right to know how exclusive their personal information is at EliteFitness.com.

If you think about it, the cops can only see which IP Addresses visit this website in general (The Web server only logs IP Addresses). They do not know which IP Addresses made which posts. UNLESS... The EliteFitness.com Administrators were to give the authorities access to database information which could easily reveal IP Address >> Username >> Specific Forum Posts Information. I think all members would find it very interesting if this is true. I looked on the EliteFitness.com privacy policy and found nothing about this topic. If this question does get answered by EliteFitness Administrators then I think this should definitely be sticky'ed!!
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Cut straight to the chase. What are you saying then? In plain fucking english. What are you saying? Speak up.
 
bruce410 said:
ok can you tell me how to change ip addresses then.
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Its called a proxy.
Even better a VPN (virtual private network)
Best = wardriving (wireless internet access via wireless networks at "hot spots")

I will be writing several tutorials on staying completely anonymous from beginning to end. From loggin on to getting your gear. Whethe admin decides to sticky, thats up to them.

One thing is for DAMN sure, its time to tighten up folks. And I just happen to have been in the game of being anonymous for quite some time ;)
 
Changing IP addresses now is pointless. You would have to do that when you decide to rejoin as another member. Right now you are logged in as who you are.
 
when will these tutorials be available? I don't know that much about IP addresses and the like. So I am very interested in this topic and staying safe. I used to have a secure email address at ziplip.com, but I didn't use it for a while so i think they canceled it. Where is the best secure but free email available?
 
It is odd that he would get bombed, I think this is a legit question. You would think that the site would never turn over info unless it was forced to do so legally. I would like to know how we can change IP addresses, I was not even aware that it could be done.
 
Security is always been one of the EF priorities.........

The thread is interesting, and think that the lab_wizard will do a great job getting some articles on Internet privacy...
 
Re: MODS PLEASE COMMENT ON IP Addresses

smaller said:
This should be a sticky. Privacy is an important issue. I also think it's something that should be protected - although it's debatable in some circles.

Any mods want to comment on how our privacy is protected here?
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Several Years ago the Feds raided Elite, sopeana was issues to George to turn over members Idenities and other information,plus all the info in the servers however thanks to the paying members George refused and turned the matter over to Rick Collins.
As you can see we are still running.
One of the main Reasons right there to support this site!

RADAR
 
Not sure why he has been bombed regardless of how many posts.

Its a valid question and we all know how EF resisted calls to hand over members Id's but the way i read it he is asking for clarification of the privacey Statement which may need updating

Wrongun!
 
Carth said:
Changing IP addresses now is pointless. You would have to do that when you decide to rejoin as another member. Right now you are logged in as who you are.
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Not really Carth. Its never too late to hide yourself.
A member like you , who posts a shit load of info daily would greatly benefit from hiding their location. Look for detailed tutorial to be posted soon.
I am glad to see the interest in being secure finally show itself on this forum.
 
PantherG45 said:
when will these tutorials be available? I don't know that much about IP addresses and the like. So I am very interested in this topic and staying safe. I used to have a secure email address at ziplip.com, but I didn't use it for a while so i think they canceled it. Where is the best secure but free email available?
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Working on them now bro, very soon!

Any mail using hush encryption is ok.
www.cyber-rights.net
www.hushmail.com
 
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RADAR said:
Several Years ago the Feds raided Elite, sopeana was issues to George to turn over members Idenities and other information,plus all the info in the servers however thanks to the paying members George refused and turned the matter over to Rick Collins.
As you can see we are still running.
One of the main Reasons right there to support this site!

RADAR
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Muscle Tech also tried to get member information via legal threats. Rick/George didn't give them dick.
Due to our liberal editing/deleting policy here on the Anabolic board there really isn't very much you could post here worth looking up your IP addy. Unless you're a MLB player I'd say you have nothing to worry about.

BTW - I don't know why this post is locked either.
 
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genarr3 said:
Muscle Tech also tried to get member information via legal threats. Rick/George didn't give them dick.
Due to our liberal editing/deleting policy here on the Anabolic board there really isn't very much you could post here worth looking up your IP addy. Unless you're a MLB player I'd say you have nothing to worry about.

BTW - I don't know why this post is locked either.
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me either............................

Lets roll!
RADAR
 
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RADAR said:
me either............................

Lets roll!
RADAR
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Why'd you bomb him Radar?
 
Finally, someone did the sensible thing by opening this thread again.
In current environment, this is a legitimate issue. We should require the management to declare their privacy policy more clearly.
I don't know why more people are not concerned.
I hate the kiss-assers who bombed the poster.
 
maldorf said:
It is odd that he would get bombed, I think this is a legit question. You would think that the site would never turn over info unless it was forced to do so legally. I would like to know how we can change IP addresses, I was not even aware that it could be done.
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You can change your IP, by getting another computer. It is pointless to change it! Every computer has their own personal IP.
 
You can change your IP, by getting another computer. It is pointless to change it! Every computer has their own personal IP
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This is absolutely false.
A computer is just a machine...the IP comes from the use of software...and unless you have a permanent "always on" connection then your IP will change on a regular basis...I still use Dial up, and my IP addy is different just about everytime that I log on to my server.
 
Ok here is a brief tutorial on if you are using a static or dynamic ip.

Static IP - always have the same ip no matter what. Even after you reboot, disconnect/reconnect it will stay the same.

Dynamic IP - always chaging. i.e- Dial-up users get a new ip everytime they disconnect/reconnect to the net.

Easiest way for beginners to see if they have static or dynamic ip is to goto Start/run. Type "cmd" hit enter and this brings a black screen.
In here type "ipconfig" hit enter.
Now you will see a domain or network if you are on one as well as your ip address, subnet mask and your default gateway. i am not getting into any gateways, dns 's etc cause i don't want to write a book.
Take note of your ip address.
Now disconnect from the internet and restart your computer and repeat.
If you ip is the same you most likely have a static ip. If its different you have a dynamic ip.
But be warned even the dynamic ip can be easily traced to a couple km's or miles from your home.
 
Goldprospector said:
This is absolutely false.
A computer is just a machine...the IP comes from the use of software...and unless you have a permanent "always on" connection then your IP will change on a regular basis...I still use Dial up, and my IP addy is different just about everytime that I log on to my server.
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You are wrong. Changing an IP address doesnt protect you from being traced by those that have the resources to do so. Your network card has a unique id(Mac Address) that your ISP has tied to each ip address with their service. You need different service, new card, or new computer.
Of course its always going to be differnet with dial up, slow as hell too. And you can still be traced.
 
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LoneTree said:
Finally, someone did the sensible thing by opening this thread again.
In current environment, this is a legitimate issue. We should require the management to declare their privacy policy more clearly.
I don't know why more people are not concerned.
I hate the kiss-assers who bombed the poster.
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:bawling:
 
Well, I wasn't expecting so much controversy when creating this thread. I am trying to help all of the active users which make this forum interesting to begin with. Fact is, we deserve to know if the authorities can tell which IP Addresses made which posts. Even if the cops did have access to the server, the database is a whole seperate privacy issue. And the cops would have to have access to the database in order to make a correlation between IP Addresses and Specific Forum Posts.

Well I do have some helpful instructions on hiding your IP Address: (NOTE: This only works if you are using Internet Explorer with a cable modem connection- Sorry, maybe I will create a dial-up version soon)

Setting Up Anonymous Proxy Server using Internet Explorer:
1. Goto the website http://samair.ru/proxy/. This is a list of proxy servers. Find one in the list that is anonymous. Copy the IP Address and Port number to notepad (Example 192.168.1.1:8080- The 192.168.1.1 number is the IP Address and the 8080 number is the port number).
2. In Internet Explorer go to Tools at the top.
3. Hit Internet Options at the bottom of the Tools Menu.
4. Click the Connections Tab at the top of the Internet Options Menu.
5. Click the LAN Settings Button at the bottom of the Connections Tab Menu.
6. At the bottom of the menu there is a 'Proxy Server' Section. Check off the option that says 'Use a proxy server for your LAN'.
7. In the text box labeled 'Address:', use the IP Address that you copied from the proxy server website list earlier.
8. In the text box labeled 'Port:', use the port number that you copied earlier.
9. Also check the checkbox which says 'Bypass proxy server for local addresses'.
10. Now Click 'OK' to all menus to close out and enable your proxy connection.

That is all there is to it. NOTE: You may have to do this multiple times with different addresses from the proxy server list because some proxy servers are busy, some are slow, and some just don't work at all.

By the way DetroitBodyBuilder, Is this the Bomb or what!
 
Goldprospector said:
This is absolutely false.
A computer is just a machine...the IP comes from the use of software...and unless you have a permanent "always on" connection then your IP will change on a regular basis...I still use Dial up, and my IP addy is different just about everytime that I log on to my server.
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Your ISP knows the exact IP address that is assigned to you, when you log on, whether dynamic or static. The only way to stay anonymous is to use a proxy server, but be prepared to slow things way down.
 
Yo DBBT you're just making yourself look stupid as hell. Everyone has given legitimate reasons why this is a good thread. You just try to talk tough on the thread. Why did you bomb him, or am I just being a bitch; seriously the other kids will still think you're cool. Save the tough talk for elsewhere this forum is for intellegable discussion over issues surounding AAS. And security is one of them. Radar, I'm curious why you bombed him as well. I find it is totally uncalled for unless you can enlighten us to the contrary. I think once this thread gets good security info (protection, and detailed site policy) on it it should be made a sticky.
 
This is a legitamite (sp) concern, but I think the question got answered. Feds will have to lock horns with management and have a damn good reason (warrant, etc) to get your ip. You'd have to be doing something seriously fucked to have things get to that point, so to about 99.999999999999999231% of the people here, ip address stuff isn't an issue.

Second - He also didn't deserve to get bombed for that. I was bombed when I first joined for saying I thought something was legit but too expensive. This bombing shit on the whole is fucking rediculous. If you really feel the need to "bomb" people when you don't agree with them on the internet, turn off your fucking computer and buy a playstation.

People should green this guy until he does something that deserves all that red.

-g
 
Setting Up Anonymous Proxy Server using Internet Explorer:
1. Goto the website http://samair.ru/proxy/. This is a list of proxy servers. Find one in the list that is anonymous. Copy the IP Address and Port number to notepad (Example 192.168.1.1:8080- The 192.168.1.1 number is the IP Address and the 8080 number is the port number).
2. In Internet Explorer go to Tools at the top.
3. Hit Internet Options at the bottom of the Tools Menu.
4. Click the Connections Tab at the top of the Internet Options Menu.
5. Click the LAN Settings Button at the bottom of the Connections Tab Menu.
6. At the bottom of the menu there is a 'Proxy Server' Section. Check off the option that says 'Use a proxy server for your LAN'.
7. In the text box labeled 'Address:', use the IP Address that you copied from the proxy server website list earlier.
8. In the text box labeled 'Port:', use the port number that you copied earlier.
9. Also check the checkbox which says 'Bypass proxy server for local addresses'.
10. Now Click 'OK' to all menus to close out and enable your proxy connection.

This is good information... Why are they blacking it out?
 
OK, Lets quit fooling ourselves. I have been arrested for having an eighth of weed so I am sure that these feds would be more than happy to arrest someone for a vial or two of gear. Let's just forget that 'They won't come after me because I am not in as deep as the next guy' stuff. We need to take our privacy very seriously.

I will give you another reason why it is important that the feds not have the IP Addresses of the members. I happen to know that the authorities are using email packet sniffers. It doesn't matter if you are using encrypted email because the authorities still know the source and the destination email addresses. What this means is that if you have ever emailed a gear source, the authorities know it. If you are using an @elitefitness.com email address and your username matches the email address ([email protected]) then you are in deep shit if the feds get access to your IP Address. In case you did not understand exactly what I am talking about, I have outlined it below.
1. You email your source from your elitefitness email.
2. The authorities use email sniffer to get the source and destination email addresses.
3. They see your Elite Email Address send an email to a source's email address.
4. The feds go to EliteFitness.com and get your IP Address for that particular username.
5. The feds have your IP Address and all of your other information.

I am not trying to scare people but I think that knowledge will help keep what we have together and keep us one step ahead of the authorities.

My best advice to all of the gear heros would be to use a different address to receive your gear from the one where you are doing all of your elitefitness web surfing. Also use a fake name to receive it under.

I hope this helps.
 
disinfodevil said:
OK, Lets quit fooling ourselves. I have been arrested for having an eighth of weed so I am sure that these feds would be more than happy to arrest someone for a vial or two of gear. Let's just forget that 'They won't come after me because I am not in as deep as the next guy' stuff. We need to take our privacy very seriously.

I will give you another reason why it is important that the feds not have the IP Addresses of the members. I happen to know that the authorities are using email packet sniffers. It doesn't matter if you are using encrypted email because the authorities still know the source and the destination email addresses. What this means is that if you have ever emailed a gear source, the authorities know it. If you are using an @elitefitness.com email address and your username matches the email address ([email protected]) then you are in deep shit if the feds get access to your IP Address. In case you did not understand exactly what I am talking about, I have outlined it below.
1. You email your source from your elitefitness email.
2. The authorities use email sniffer to get the source and destination email addresses.
3. They see your Elite Email Address send an email to a source's email address.
4. The feds go to EliteFitness.com and get your IP Address for that particular username.
5. The feds have your IP Address and all of your other information.

I am not trying to scare people but I think that knowledge will help keep what we have together and keep us one step ahead of the authorities.

My best advice to all of the gear heros would be to use a different address to receive your gear from the one where you are doing all of your elitefitness web surfing. Also use a fake name to receive it under.

I hope this helps.
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Bro, this is not realistic. For Feds to sniff anything they still need a warrant. You can't just start up a sniffer and read someone's email. The feds would have to have the cooperation (read: warrant) of the network housing the servers, access to the switch the server was plugged into, or the server itself. Then they've got to worry about the encryption.

None of that is a simple (or inexpensive) process. I agree that privacy is important, but so is being realistic.
 
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Well, I wasn't expecting so much controversy when creating this thread. I am trying to help all of the active users which make this forum interesting to begin with. Fact is, we deserve to know if the authorities can tell which IP Addresses made which posts. Even if the cops did have access to the server, the database is a whole seperate privacy issue. And the cops would have to have access to the database in order to make a correlation between IP Addresses and Specific Forum Posts.

Well I do have some helpful instructions on hiding your IP Address: (NOTE: This only works if you are using Internet Explorer with a cable modem connection- Sorry, maybe I will create a dial-up version soon)

Setting Up Anonymous Proxy Server using Internet Explorer:
1. Goto the website http://samair.ru/proxy/. This is a list of proxy servers. Find one in the list that is anonymous. Copy the IP Address and Port number to notepad (Example 192.168.1.1:8080- The 192.168.1.1 number is the IP Address and the 8080 number is the port number).
2. In Internet Explorer go to Tools at the top.
3. Hit Internet Options at the bottom of the Tools Menu.
4. Click the Connections Tab at the top of the Internet Options Menu.
5. Click the LAN Settings Button at the bottom of the Connections Tab Menu.
6. At the bottom of the menu there is a 'Proxy Server' Section. Check off the option that says 'Use a proxy server for your LAN'.
7. In the text box labeled 'Address:', use the IP Address that you copied from the proxy server website list earlier.
8. In the text box labeled 'Port:', use the port number that you copied earlier.
9. Also check the checkbox which says 'Bypass proxy server for local addresses'.
10. Now Click 'OK' to all menus to close out and enable your proxy connection.

That is all there is to it. NOTE: You may have to do this multiple times with different addresses from the proxy server list because some proxy servers are busy, some are slow, and some just don't work at all.

By the way DetroitBodyBuilder, Is this the Bomb or what!
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OK, Lets quit fooling ourselves. I have been arrested for having an eighth of weed so I am sure that these feds would be more than happy to arrest someone for a vial or two of gear. Let's just forget that 'They won't come after me because I am not in as deep as the next guy' stuff. We need to take our privacy very seriously.

I will give you another reason why it is important that the feds not have the IP Addresses of the members. I happen to know that the authorities are using email packet sniffers. It doesn't matter if you are using encrypted email because the authorities still know the source and the destination email addresses. What this means is that if you have ever emailed a gear source, the authorities know it. If you are using an @elitefitness.com email address and your username matches the email address ([email protected]) then you are in deep shit if the feds get access to your IP Address. In case you did not understand exactly what I am talking about, I have outlined it below.
1. You email your source from your elitefitness email.
2. The authorities use email sniffer to get the source and destination email addresses.
3. They see your Elite Email Address send an email to a source's email address.
4. The feds go to EliteFitness.com and get your IP Address for that particular username.
5. The feds have your IP Address and all of your other information.

I am not trying to scare people but I think that knowledge will help keep what we have together and keep us one step ahead of the authorities.

My best advice to all of the gear heros would be to use a different address to receive your gear from the one where you are doing all of your elitefitness web surfing. Also use a fake name to receive it under.

I hope this helps.
 
I just reposted those bombed threads. Waste your karma and bomb me... :mix:

One post or not: this is a worthwhile issue that everyone needs to be aware of..

Let's have some info on the bombings..a statement amounting to more than: 'b/c I can'
 
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detroitbodybuildertigers said:
This guy is coming on here, 1 post, and trying to scare everyone...who does he think he is, the ultimate computer hacking steroid cop? So I bombed his azz :evil:
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i think i just shit my pants, ahahahahh
 
Proxy and VPN will not help, it's still logged and just comes down to network address translation. There are some sites out there that sell software and services to make your IP is anonymous but at the end of the day, this company still has the translations, they must be cached in the machine doing the work in order for you to communicate with the site..... Someone mentioned war driving, this is the best way to go, cause you are ACTUALLY using an ip address that does not belong to you.

With the boom of wireless networking exploding all over the place, I keep several radios on hand, each configured with parameters of "other" wireless networks in my area. Most people not yet educated on wireless security use the default parameters on their wireless networks, so no guesswork even needed in this case. Makes it real easy to plug the radio into a USB port, obtain an IP address from their home network which is associated with thier ISP service.........login do your biz, jump off, login to your ISP, now your surfing was done physically on another network all together and it cannot be traced back to you. Your neighbor ever gets questioned, just step on the radio you used for that house and the MAC address is gone......Not that I would ever do this, but it works, otherwise just drive down to starbucks and login :)
 
StereOMaN said:
Why did you bomb him, or am I just being a bitch; seriously the other kids will still think you're cool. Save the tough talk for elsewhere this forum is for intellegable discussion over issues surounding AAS.
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P.U.S.S.I.E.S all over this thread..."please don't take me to jail for posting on a forum."

disinfodevil-->> :blow: <<--StereOMan
 
Your ISP knows the exact IP address that is assigned to you, when you log on, whether dynamic or static. The only way to stay anonymous is to use a proxy server, but be prepared to slow things way down.
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No shit....I was just commenting on the bro who said to change you IP you need to change computer! I did NOT say anything about remainiing anonymous, nor did I say that the server does not know your IP every single time it is changed...I simple stated the fact that the IP gets changed every time I use my old slow yet reliable dial up.

You are wrong. Changing an IP address doesnt protect you from being traced by those that have the resources to do so. Your network card has a unique id(Mac Address) that your ISP has tied to each ip address with their service. You need different service, new card, or new computer.
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You need to re-read my post...I never said anything about being protected or traced...I only said that the IP can be changed by logging off and then back on! DAMN, WHY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE JUST READ BEFORE ACTING!
 
Still can not see why he has been bombed

Am i missing something as teh bombing just adds to the drama that is not there?

Wrongun!
 
WOW! A couple of people on here really don’t want us to discuss issues about our privacy...I don’t see what the problem with a little discussion about privacy on EF can hurt. Some people are really fuckin' upset about this lol.

Makes ya wonder...
 
Gastroc O'Jenkins said:
Bro, this is not realistic. For Feds to sniff anything they still need a warrant. You can't just start up a sniffer and read someone's email. The feds would have to have the cooperation (read: warrant) of the network housing the servers, access to the switch the server was plugged into, or the server itself. Then they've got to worry about the encryption.

None of that is a simple (or inexpensive) process. I agree that privacy is important, but so is being realistic.
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Well, I found something you might find interesting regarding warrants. Below is some info. I found on 'Patriot Act & Carnivore' (the govts. industrial strength packet sniffer).

U.S. Patriot Act & Carnivore

In many ways, USA PATRIOT just updates certain forms of electronic surveillance for the internet. Instead of wiretaps on a phone, the government can intercept emails. However, only the subject headers and addresses can be read without a warrant. Instead of bugging an office, the government can now look at the websites a certain computer has been visiting. If a person's computer has suspicious emails and has been visiting suspected terrorist websites, the government can obtain a search warrant and seize all information on the computer and online. The act also allows seizure of voice mail messages with a warrant.
In many ways, USA PATRIOT just updates certain forms of electronic surveillance for the internet. Instead of wiretaps on a phone, the government can intercept emails. However, only the subject headers and addresses can be read without a warrant. Instead of bugging an office, the government can now look at the websites a certain computer has been visiting. If a person's computer has suspicious emails and has been visiting suspected terrorist websites, the government can obtain a search warrant and seize all information on the computer and online. The act also allows seizure of voice mail messages with a warrant.

Carnivore
Exactly how does the government go about looking at our records? A type of program called a packet sniffer "watches" packets of information as they go by on the world wide web. When a packet contains data that the packet sniffer is looking for, the program saves the packet's information. These saved packets are poured through by other computers, and if it is suspicious enough--by humans. So only the most suspicious computer actions will ever be observed by humans.

Under the new U.S. Patriot Act, packet sniffers will sift through information coming into the database. If something suspicious is noticed, then packet sniffers will begin searching through other information from that user. Then trends will be noted and a human will be alerted.
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It looks like they can read email addresses without a warrant to me, as well as read the subjects of the emails. This will make you think about a better 'subject' to that email, huh?

Now, I would also bet that the govt. takes advantage of their packet sniffers. I would bet they use the data for much more than combating terrorism. Even if they can't include their findings in an investigation, having a lead is better than not having one.

I do agree that anonymous proxy servers do have a limit as to how anonymous they are. This is why I usually pick a proxy server in Australia or in a country where U.S. Subpoenas would have no effect.

I also believe that wireless hacking is the way to go if you want to remain totally anonymous.

Well, with this post only being 2 days old and already having 700 views and over 50 posts, I think that people are more than interested in staying out of the governments radar, wouldn't you think? It is time to sticky this!
 
StereOMaN said:
Yo DBBT you're just making yourself look stupid as hell. Everyone has given legitimate reasons why this is a good thread. You just try to talk tough on the thread. Why did you bomb him, or am I just being a bitch; seriously the other kids will still think you're cool. Save the tough talk for elsewhere this forum is for intellegable discussion over issues surounding AAS. And security is one of them.
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Yup, you're absolutely right, but you might as well be talking to a rock.
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
P.U.S.S.I.E.S all over this thread..."please don't take me to jail for posting on a forum."

disinfodevil-->> :blow: <<--StereOMan
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Look, how many guys have been arrested in the past 6 months? I'm not sure exactly, but IT IS A LOT. You're calling people pussies??? Fact is, people have been going to jail for this shit. Remember Gl**, URBAD****, INS****, C&K Labs out of Thailand??? Shit is going down and you're acting like you're above the law.
 
IncestWhore said:
Look, how many guys have been arrested in the past 6 months? I'm not sure exactly, but IT IS A LOT. You're calling people pussies??? Fact is, people have been going to jail for this shit. Remember Gl**, URBAD****, INS****, C&K Labs out of Thailand??? Shit is going down and you're acting like you're above the law.
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How many people were arrested for posting in a forum? I'm far from a lawyer but I don't remember any laws against posting in forums!?!?! I could post that I just murdered 90000000000 people and until they find the bodies im not going to jail so who cares?
 
Good one DBBT. I don't even think I have to say anything, you do a good enough job of embarassing yourself. Thats the last input I'll waste on what you have to say.
 
StereOMaN said:
Yo DBBT you're just making yourself look stupid as hell. Everyone has given legitimate reasons why this is a good thread. You just try to talk tough on the thread. Why did you bomb him, or am I just being a bitch; seriously the other kids will still think you're cool. Save the tough talk for elsewhere this forum is for intellegable discussion over issues surounding AAS. And security is one of them. Radar, I'm curious why you bombed him as well. I find it is totally uncalled for unless you can enlighten us to the contrary. I think once this thread gets good security info (protection, and detailed site policy) on it it should be made a sticky.
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You can ask Carth the reason why he was bombed i'm not going thru all of the details explaining this again.



RADAR
 
nutsnack said:
How many people were arrested for posting in a forum? I'm far from a lawyer but I don't remember any laws against posting in forums!?!?! I could post that I just murdered 90000000000 people and until they find the bodies im not going to jail so who cares?
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Yeah but they might read that, then you would be their #1 suspect dipshit. See the correlation?
 
RADAR said:
You can ask Carth the reason why he was bombed i'm not going thru all of the details explaining this again.



RADAR
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You still lost me what has Carth got to do withit all?

Will leave it as sure you have your reasons bro let the thread die

Wrongun!
 
nutsnack said:
How many people were arrested for posting in a forum? I'm far from a lawyer but I don't remember any laws against posting in forums!?!?! I could post that I just murdered 90000000000 people and until they find the bodies im not going to jail so who cares?
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That's not the point. The point is if you're talking about illegal stuff like all of those guys were, you're drawing attention to yourself. If you post that you have a shit load of gear and the authorities want to bring you down, they'll get a pretty good idea of who is behind that username by tracing the IP address. That's my point.
 
nutsnack said:
How many people were arrested for posting in a forum?
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I think the more important question is:

How many AAS users have been busted because of personal information they've launched into cyber-space?

I don't think we can ever know the answer to that question, and that's why it's better to be safe than sorry.

I shudder when I think of all the personal info I've shared with bro's on this board, with my gear suppliers, with my gh sources. They all know my name, addy, what I've ordered, what I've received, how much I use. I'm a middle-aged guy who looks as guilty as an accountant, yet I could have been arrested many times over. I guess I've always lulled myself into a sense of false security by hoping that law enforcement is too busy looking for the big guys than to come after me.

And that's why this thread is so important. We come up with protocols for recovering our HPTA, I think we should come up with protocols for protecting our security.
 
lefler said:
Yeah but they might read that, then you would be their #1 suspect dipshit. See the correlation?
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well unless you have an UG lab you don't have to worry about anything.. feds aren't going to waste thousands of hours and money on some petty ass steroid user.. There are actually forums out there about people that do heroin and smoke crack.. how many feds do you think are sitting there pretending to be one of those just to arrest some kid that smokes crack 3x a week?

If you aren't a moron then you can't get in trouble!
 
IncestWhore said:
Look, how many guys have been arrested in the past 6 months? I'm not sure exactly, but IT IS A LOT. You're calling people pussies??? Fact is, people have been going to jail for this shit. Remember Gl**, URBAD****, INS****, C&K Labs out of Thailand??? Shit is going down and you're acting like you're above the law.
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If you're running a lab, good luck with da law. Who here is running a UG lab??? :p
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
If you're running a lab, good luck with da law. Who here is running a UG lab??? :p
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Hah, I don't think anyone's gonna reply to that one:) Pig!
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
If you're running a lab, good luck with da law. Who here is running a UG lab??? :p
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Apparently, you'd be surprised. I can think of two EF members off the top of my head.
 
kbrkbr said:
Apparently, you'd be surprised. I can think of two EF members off the top of my head.
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Agreed and looking at the laws in the USA and recent crackdowns i would say anything to assit your safety is worthwile

Wrongun!
 
Re: MODS PLEASE COMMENT ON IP Addresses

RADAR said:
Several Years ago the Feds raided Elite, sopeana was issues to George to turn over members Idenities and other information,plus all the info in the servers however thanks to the paying members George refused and turned the matter over to Rick Collins.
As you can see we are still running.
One of the main Reasons right there to support this site!

RADAR
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fucken hell ya.
 
oh well...I suppose I might as well confess that I have an 18 year old illegeal Russian bride I purchased over the internet and she is locked up in my basement. When the feds come and track me down via my IP address they can take turns tagging her with me. Then again she has been playing with my androl patches and she is starting to grow hair in places...well....(time to order a new bride!)

On a serious note, this is a good thread. Tons of good info on proxies and encryption. I suggest always using stuff like that just to be safe. Most importantly - NEVER order anything that is a no-no on your personal computer at home. Hit a wireles network in a cybercafe and surf away...

I also think it is good to emphasize that GS has gone to court and stuck up for our rights. Not many other sites out there do that. Support EF!
 
I feel George does everything he can to protect or privacy, and because we may 'not be told how' just may be another indication of what precautions he/ef staff take. Discussions on ef are very censored compared to many other boards, which some may see as a detrimental aspect of ef, but I believe that is why ef is still around. Open source posting, trading, and other AS specifics are not allowed to protect us. Simply, keep your details to your self, get a proxy if you want, but if you stir up enough shit, a warrant can get issued to your proxy server's parent company.
Also, as for the MAC talk, the proxy(if you are using one) would have your MAC addy, not ef(they would have the proxy server's MAC, I believe), so just don't get the authorities to serve a warrant to your proxy.
 
disinfodevil said:
Well, I wasn't expecting so much controversy when creating this thread. I am trying to help all of the active users which make this forum interesting to begin with. Fact is, we deserve to know if the authorities can tell which IP Addresses made which posts. Even if the cops did have access to the server, the database is a whole seperate privacy issue. And the cops would have to have access to the database in order to make a correlation between IP Addresses and Specific Forum Posts.

Well I do have some helpful instructions on hiding your IP Address: (NOTE: This only works if you are using Internet Explorer with a cable modem connection- Sorry, maybe I will create a dial-up version soon)

Setting Up Anonymous Proxy Server using Internet Explorer:
1. Goto the website http://samair.ru/proxy/. This is a list of proxy servers. Find one in the list that is anonymous. Copy the IP Address and Port number to notepad (Example 192.168.1.1:8080- The 192.168.1.1 number is the IP Address and the 8080 number is the port number).
2. In Internet Explorer go to Tools at the top.
3. Hit Internet Options at the bottom of the Tools Menu.
4. Click the Connections Tab at the top of the Internet Options Menu.
5. Click the LAN Settings Button at the bottom of the Connections Tab Menu.
6. At the bottom of the menu there is a 'Proxy Server' Section. Check off the option that says 'Use a proxy server for your LAN'.
7. In the text box labeled 'Address:', use the IP Address that you copied from the proxy server website list earlier.
8. In the text box labeled 'Port:', use the port number that you copied earlier.
9. Also check the checkbox which says 'Bypass proxy server for local addresses'.
10. Now Click 'OK' to all menus to close out and enable your proxy connection.

That is all there is to it. NOTE: You may have to do this multiple times with different addresses from the proxy server list because some proxy servers are busy, some are slow, and some just don't work at all.

By the way DetroitBodyBuilder, Is this the Bomb or what!
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I don't know about all you guys but I've tried all kinds of proxys configurations, concealing IP software and both partially worked....However this is a hassle..connection speed gets way too slow, your share the broadband with the anonymous proxy server and sometimes the internet connection stops/crashes. Sometimes After running some IP tests after browsing under a proxy, the real IP was still showing due to some flaw with the java script, this flaw doesn't seem to go away even when i tried out a different web browser or adjusted java seetings....
Bottom line. There is no way to be 100% secure/private while on the internet, FBI DEA or whoever will always find your internet traces back to your door if they want, you can make their life harder by concealing your IP add. but still doesnt mean you won't get busted.
I'll just keep going to the library or a cafe internet where the IP adress can't be linked to my personal Info such as name and address. Yes it's a hassle but at least I know i'm safer. This way being anonynous relies on myself rather than on the Elite Fitness' admnistrators even if they are fighting for my privacy rights. No bogus proxys, no slow connections...only the fact that i have to drive a couple of miles to get to a public internet service.
So guys, the best thing you can do is to watch your backs by yourselves, and don't assume that someone elese is going to do so for you.
 
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