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Im new 2 steroids and was thinking about doing a 6-8 week course on dianobol (tablets). I am of small build 69kg 5ft 10inchs and 20 years old and my diet is healthy, i am sick of having a small skinny frame!!!

lets say i took dianobol at 20mg a day for 6 weeks and ended the last 2 weeks taking something that keeps the gains and brings testosterone levels back 2 the norm.
what gains and changes in pysical appearence would i see.
Also does dianobol increase the thickness of bones of is it just muscle mass.
Any help plz thanks :mix:
 
theres no question i will be taking steroids but only 4 a brief time
plz dont post dont do them
 
england111 said:
Im new 2 steroids and was thinking about doing a 6-8 week course on dianobol (tablets). I am of small build 69kg 5ft 10inchs and 20 years old and my diet is healthy, i am sick of having a small skinny frame!!!

lets say i took dianobol at 20mg a day for 6 weeks and ended the last 2 weeks taking something that keeps the gains and brings testosterone levels back 2 the norm.
what gains and changes in pysical appearence would i see.
Also does dianobol increase the thickness of bones of is it just muscle mass.
Any help plz thanks :mix:
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The bolded print is your first and main problem. You don't eat nearly enough....and I've seen it more times than I can count with younger guys who are skinny.

First off, D-Bol only isn't your best cycle choice (not just you, but anybody)....if you're 'gonna do as you please' regardless of what I say, okay, I will let some of the other guys give you advice on steroids.

But, dude, you weight a freaking buck fifty....whatever gains steroids will give you are MORE than atainable by eating ENOUGH and adding weight to your bench press, squat, deadlift, overhead press, barbell row, and getting strong on dips and chins.....

But...you can take d-bol, blow up to a whopping 165lbs, stop after week 8, and be back in the same boat you're in now because you don't know how to train or eat.
 
dbol only - on for 8 weeks, gain 20 lbs. come week 9, piss and lose 20lbs :rolleyes:

it sounds like you don't have a clue how to eat, which also means you don't have a clue how to train.
 
Don't start with D-bol,

Learn
Diet
Training
Post Cycle Therapy
Anti-E
Sterile Technique for injections


D-bol will simply hurt your liver and you will lose you gains.
 
its the genetics that are stopping me physically my metabolism is very high i was just asking advice not 2 get a bollokin lol does dianobol increase bone density
 
Milk increases bone density, so does heavy training on compound lifts, I suggest you get on a steady diet of both.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with your genetics, I have seen enough young guys use the genetics/hardgainer card, and it is pure crap.....you don't eat enough or you'd gain weight, plain and simple. You may have a fast metabolism, so you need to eat more and more and more until you gain weight.

If you'd post what you typically eat in a day and how your workouts look, you'd probably get advice that would help you long-term.
 
england111 said:
its the genetics that are stopping me physically my metabolism is very high i was just asking advice not 2 get a bollokin lol does dianobol increase bone density
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stay away from gear, you need to do a lot more lifting and eating and you are too young. You will do nothing but damage. Do not use anything.
 
england111 said:
its the genetics that are stopping me physically my metabolism is very high i was just asking advice not 2 get a bollokin lol does dianobol increase bone density
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ok here's the cycle i advise:
1 yr of heavy compound lifts (bench, squat, deadlift, barbell rows). start the dosage light and increase each week
1 yr of 5000 cals/day food
repeat
 
It is amazing how many of these kinds of posts are on here after Elitefitness.com was mentioned in that news article.
 
My diet goes like this i dont know how many calories:
06:30 / bowl of cornflakes and glass of orange juice
07:30 / 1 bannana and a pint of milk
10:00 / cheese or ham salad sandwich
12:00 / a small grilled steak with salad
14:00 / 1 oat bar with orange juice (i drink plenty of water through day)
17:00 / Big plate of tuna pasta bake
19:00 / cheese or ham sandwich
22:00 / Rack of ribs with some rice
this is just an ordinary day for me i eat different foods throughout the week but it goes something like that. As 4 training that is ussually 3 times per week and each session lasts between 40-60 mins of weight training and cardio is basically walking 2 work every day which takes 40 mins. can u give me advice on this aswell plz. :chomp:
 
England. First off don't be discouraged. Most of the guys here were messing with AAS right out of high school. Everyone trying to act all "wait and train" is bull shitting. Check it out, D'bol is not the best choice to start. Begin with low dosage of Test, and Deca, learn your PCT and respect Anti-E's. Do some research and then learn how to eat to grow.....
 
welloiledmachine said:
England. First off don't be discouraged. Most of the guys here were messing with AAS right out of high school. Everyone trying to act all "wait and train" is bull shitting. Check it out, D'bol is not the best choice to start. Begin with low dosage of Test, and Deca, learn your PCT and respect Anti-E's. Do some research and then learn how to eat to grow.....
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speak for yourself
 
welloiledmachine said:
England. First off don't be discouraged. Most of the guys here were messing with AAS right out of high school. Everyone trying to act all "wait and train" is bull shitting. Check it out, D'bol is not the best choice to start. Begin with low dosage of Test, and Deca, learn your PCT and respect Anti-E's. Do some research and then learn how to eat to grow.....
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Not true.

YOU DO NOT REPRESENT the "whole" community.

That is deserving on a bomb.
 
Bumping this to the new page.

england111 said:
My diet goes like this i dont know how many calories:
06:30 / bowl of cornflakes and glass of orange juice
07:30 / 1 bannana and a pint of milk
10:00 / cheese or ham salad sandwich
12:00 / a small grilled steak with salad
14:00 / 1 oat bar with orange juice (i drink plenty of water through day)
17:00 / Big plate of tuna pasta bake
19:00 / cheese or ham sandwich
22:00 / Rack of ribs with some rice
this is just an ordinary day for me i eat different foods throughout the week but it goes something like that. As 4 training that is ussually 3 times per week and each session lasts between 40-60 mins of weight training and cardio is basically walking 2 work every day which takes 40 mins. can u give me advice on this aswell plz. :chomp:
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As silver shadow posted... Read These:
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459839
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=9

If you can't gain weight...it's as simple as Eating more... you have a fast metabolism, keep eating man.
 
england111 said:
Im new 2 steroids and was thinking about doing a 6-8 week course on dianobol (tablets). I am of small build 69kg 5ft 10inchs and 20 years old and my diet is healthy, i am sick of having a small skinny frame!!!

lets say i took dianobol at 20mg a day for 6 weeks and ended the last 2 weeks taking something that keeps the gains and brings testosterone levels back 2 the norm.
what gains and changes in pysical appearence would i see.
Also does dianobol increase the thickness of bones of is it just muscle mass.
Any help plz thanks :mix:
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Defused your bombs bro and put you in the green. Although you are being stubborn when I was your age I did not listen to anyone either. That will come with age! At least you are asking questions and not just doing
 
CO B-man... you're reccomending "wk 1-12 test 500mg-750mg week" for a 150lb kid?

He would grow on 200mg... Can you back up your excessive reccomendation? (that's all i'm asking)
 
CO B-man said:
I am taking Ulters advice and some other vets. They make sense saying the most common mistake is taking too little of a dose for your first cycle when you stand the best chance of growing.
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But at 150lbs?!?!

:worried:

I'd like to see if they can back that up for this little guy... first cycle or not, the dude needs to friggin' EAT and train.

Actually... do we know his height? (I assumed in the 6' range...if he's 5'5" that's ALOT different).
 
CO B-man said:
Well hopefully they chime in. If wrong I will edit, I would hate to think I gave bad advice. Although truthfully I would suggest waiting 3 years at least for his liver to fully develop. But he is 20 and not going to change his mind either way. I thinkk as long as he has the proper accessories i.e. AI on hand he should be able to combat any sides should it turn out to be too much.
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Another option would be to say start low... 150mg or so... pyramid up, if he see's no sides... and is growing cut off when it seems appropriate (500mg or so I think for him).

England: Eat as much meat as you can, get good carbs and fats in... double all your regular portion sizes... you'll be eating all day, and you should NEVER be hungry. Drink a lot of water... And whole milk (Lactose free milk if your lactose intolorant).
 
He's 5' 10"....he's no midget by any means....which means at 150lbs the most anabolic substance on his mind right now should be milk, squats, squats, and more milk.

Look at it this way......why not save steroids for when they can do things for you that you can't do on your own......at 150lbs steroids won't help you do anything that getting strong and eating more calories than you burn can't do.......a 150lb kid who trains progressively on big lifts and eats big will get to 200lbs a lot faster than a 150lbs kid using steroids who knows jack shit about eating and training.....and if you weigh 150 at 5-10, you definitely know jack shit about eating......and if you think you need steroids at this stage in the game, you definitely know jack shit about training.

To the original poster, I am not saying this to be a dickhead.....i am saying it to encourage you.....this is easy and fun right now, you've got lots of untspped potential, don't overcomplicate it......you need more calories, eat whole eggs and drink a gallon of milk a day, and eat a lot more red meat.....also.........how does your training look?
 
Im 11 stone and 5'10 i dont want 2 look like a meat head i just want 2 land around the 13 stone mark with a beach body as im moving 2 the sun next year. what would ulot reccomend taking i dont know as much as any of u but i was thinking that 6-8 weeks d-bol stacked with winny and finish with some clomid. what keeps 'bitch tits' away and i proberbly wont inject because im shhiit scared of doing that.
 
At 5'10" and 150 lbs the most anabolic substance I can suggest is more food. You may think you're eating enough, but if you track your daily intake I think you will find it's not nearly as much as you think. Check out this site:

http://fitday.com/

This will allow you to track the nutrient ratios and calories for everything you eat. Monitor your weight progress in relation to your diet. If you aren't gaining - you aren't eating enough.

Anabolic steroids are not the answer here. If you can't eat enough to gain naturally, you don't stand a chance of making solid gains from a cycle.
 
england111 said:
i proberbly wont inject because im shhiit scared of doing that.
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hey at least you admitted it
last guy thwt wanterd to do an all oral said couldnt for "medical reasons"
then changed his mind

england111 said:
Im 11 stone and 5'10 i dont want 2 look like a meat head i just want 2 land around the 13 stone mark with a beach body as im moving 2 the sun next year. .
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you are not the first to say this
it is almost word for word. kinda a joke around here

stone = 14lbs correct?

you wanna go from 154 to 180 stayin lean

26 lbs of lean body mass in less than a year with out roids is possible(for young men with little or no training) but very difficult.
once you have been a trained athelete and acchieved some natural growth,
barring the hormonal roller coaster of puberty, its damn near impossible naturaly

oral only stacks are horrible on your body and its hard to maintain gains after

i have a challenge for you
have your body composition checked
post your exact stats including bf%
read everything that was posted and linked in this thread
then do it for 4/6 months
redo the body composition
post your results
if you are not happy with the results
you have a few months left to hit the juice before you move

just remember this
i was stuck at 228 couldnt get heavier
the scene : my kitchen table
wife "you done honey?"
me "yeah. im stuffed."
wife "are you sure? i could make some more scrambled eggs."
me "shit baby 5 whole eggs and 7 egg whites is enough."
wife "you sure? i could get you some toast with peanut butter on it."
me "goddamn it im full. alright? if i eat another bite im gonna hurl. alright? shit!"
wife "fine! heres some ham."
me "thanks honey."
 
LOL.
i wasnt planning to take them untill christmas time and ill do wot u said till then can u buy special scales to do that stuff or do u have to visit the doctors. what suppliments should i be taking up2 then i used 2 have creatine with protien shakes can u tell me some more things to take.
I no some people say there all rubbish but i will take anything that will help the littlest bit. thanks :evil:
 
england111 said:
LOL.
i wasnt planning to take them untill christmas time and ill do wot u said till then can u buy special scales to do that stuff or do u have to visit the doctors. what suppliments should i be taking up2 then i used 2 have creatine with protien shakes can u tell me some more things to take.
I no some people say there all rubbish but i will take anything that will help the littlest bit. thanks :evil:
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sweet

at the bottom of this thread is a forum jumper
under Fitness, bodybuilding, sports
weight trainng
diet
suppliments
start with the stickys and read and take notes
they have detailed instructions and are far to often ignored
make a plan
grow and let us know
some suppliment shops have electronic scales to calc body fat
some have caliper kits to do the same at home
also gyms
good luck
 
for body fat measurements ... local gym Personal Trainers can do it.

Have them do it 2-3 times at once.... take the average number.

Glad you're holding out a little while at least... stuff to take:

Multi Vitamin
Milk
Red meat
Chicken
Pasta
Rice
Pizza
FOOD :)
 
sgtslaughter said:
Glad you're holding out a little while at least... stuff to take:

Multi Vitamin
Milk
Red meat
Chicken
Pasta
Rice
Pizza
FOOD :)
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sarge i think we (elite) saved one here
 
sgtslaughter said:
Elite is a good place.

Keepin' n00bs from being B00bs Since 1997 :coffee:

lol
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Nice work acne sarge K 2 U
 
acneman said:
hey at least you admitted it
last guy thwt wanterd to do an all oral said couldnt for "medical reasons"
then changed his mind


you are not the first to say this
it is almost word for word. kinda a joke around here

stone = 14lbs correct?

you wanna go from 154 to 180 stayin lean

26 lbs of lean body mass in less than a year with out roids is possible(for young men with little or no training) but very difficult.
once you have been a trained athelete and acchieved some natural growth,
barring the hormonal roller coaster of puberty, its damn near impossible naturaly

oral only stacks are horrible on your body and its hard to maintain gains after

i have a challenge for you
have your body composition checked
post your exact stats including bf%
read everything that was posted and linked in this thread
then do it for 4/6 months
redo the body composition
post your results
if you are not happy with the results
you have a few months left to hit the juice before you move

just remember this
i was stuck at 228 couldnt get heavier
the scene : my kitchen table
wife "you done honey?"
me "yeah. im stuffed."
wife "are you sure? i could make some more scrambled eggs."
me "shit baby 5 whole eggs and 7 egg whites is enough."
wife "you sure? i could get you some toast with peanut butter on it."
me "goddamn it im full. alright? if i eat another bite im gonna hurl. alright? shit!"
wife "fine! heres some ham."
me "thanks honey."
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LMFAO
 
Jesus if I can remember lol. It was something to do with the baseball bs, and they mentioned this site in it about fiding out steroid information. It was posted before on the boards, but it has been a while.
 
Nothing perso0nal, silver shadow,I said most...I probably should not have made such a bold statement. And yes learning before trying is the best way...but unfortunatly I learned through trial and error. Anyone looking to start aas should research first and def. ask questions.
 
OK. maybe that's a bold statement silvershadow. Not everyone...yet some of us have learned from an early age by trial and error. But anyone new should def. do your reseach and learn by asking questions first...
 
acneman said:
hey at least you admitted it
last guy thwt wanterd to do an all oral said couldnt for "medical reasons"
then changed his mind


you are not the first to say this
it is almost word for word. kinda a joke around here

stone = 14lbs correct?

you wanna go from 154 to 180 stayin lean

26 lbs of lean body mass in less than a year with out roids is possible(for young men with little or no training) but very difficult.
once you have been a trained athelete and acchieved some natural growth,
barring the hormonal roller coaster of puberty, its damn near impossible naturaly

oral only stacks are horrible on your body and its hard to maintain gains after

i have a challenge for you
have your body composition checked
post your exact stats including bf%
read everything that was posted and linked in this thread
then do it for 4/6 months
redo the body composition
post your results
if you are not happy with the results
you have a few months left to hit the juice before you move

just remember this
i was stuck at 228 couldnt get heavier
the scene : my kitchen table
wife "you done honey?"
me "yeah. im stuffed."
wife "are you sure? i could make some more scrambled eggs."
me "shit baby 5 whole eggs and 7 egg whites is enough."
wife "you sure? i could get you some toast with peanut butter on it."
me "goddamn it im full. alright? if i eat another bite im gonna hurl. alright? shit!"
wife "fine! heres some ham."
me "thanks honey."
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:FRlol: ahhhhhhhahahahahaha.. Bro, does your wife have a sister? I think I love your wife too.

My associates are all asking what I'm laughing so hard about.. I highly doubt they'll understand... :)

T-Matt
 
T-Matt said:
:FRlol: ahhhhhhhahahahahaha.. Bro, does your wife have a sister? I think I love your wife too.

My associates are all asking what I'm laughing so hard about.. I highly doubt they'll understand... :)

T-Matt
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you are not the first to ask

identical twins
shes married to a AA member who prefers to follow the wagon on foot
if i can get her divorced ill let you guys know
 
wots the difference between anavar and d-bol can u buy anavar in oral becoz d-bol is cheap where i come from and the side affects of anavar are?
:evil:
 
welloiledmachine said:
England. First off don't be discouraged. Most of the guys here were messing with AAS right out of high school. Everyone trying to act all "wait and train" is bull shitting. Check it out, D'bol is not the best choice to start. Begin with low dosage of Test, and Deca, learn your PCT and respect Anti-E's. Do some research and then learn how to eat to grow.....
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time out... go sit in the corner...
 
england, this is crazy - where you are at right now, 26lbs of weight gain will probably seem impossible, yet, if you know how, you could get there. IMO the most important thing is that even though you don't plan on being very large, you could still lose alot of your gains from your cycle just because you don't know how to hang on to them once your done with the cycle. so while you are now thinking you'll do just one, you could very well end up repeating the whole thing again.

if you still insist on continuing with the orals route, then my suggestion would be to go with the anavar. although expensive (dbol is cheap everywhere BTW), the gains to sides ratio is amongst the best. dbol is pretty liver toxic and leads to more water gains than lean muscle gains on it's own. i've personally never done anavar, so i can't advise on how to use it, so you'll have to wait for someone else to chime in...

and again - my advice would rather be to stay away from steroids right now... make correct training and eating a part of your life first.
 
welloiledmachine said:
England. First off don't be discouraged. Most of the guys here were messing with AAS right out of high school. Everyone trying to act all "wait and train" is bull shitting. Check it out, D'bol is not the best choice to start. Begin with low dosage of Test, and Deca, learn your PCT and respect Anti-E's. Do some research and then learn how to eat to grow.....
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Some of us waited until our andropause and grew to 270 naturally.

England, if you've really decided to juice regardless of whether it's the best choice then go with injectibles. Spend a few months reading up on aromatase activity and the effects of the various hormones prior to sticking anything into yourself. You don't want to rush and screw up your first cycle.

Meanwhile, post up in the training forum and get onto a strength-based training program. At 40-60 minutes 3x per week, including cardio, your training sucks. If you jump on gear now, not only will you have a crappy first cycle but you'll lose anything you'd gain almost straight afterwards.

You need to learn to train and eat like a big guy to become a big guy. As BiggT mentioned, concentrate on the heavy, compound lifts, eat like food was cheap and drink lots of milk. Have a pint of milk with every meal. You'll grow.

Take yourself to the training forum, man. We'll get you underway and then you can manage a real kick-ass cycle or, maybe, you'll realise that you don't have any need of steroids just yet.
 
blut wump said:
Some of us waited until our andropause and grew to 270 naturally.

England, if you've really decided to juice regardless of whether it's the best choice then go with injectibles. Spend a few months reading up on aromatase activity and the effects of the various hormones prior to sticking anything into yourself. You don't want to rush and screw up your first cycle.

Meanwhile, post up in the training forum and get onto a strength-based training program. At 40-60 minutes 3x per week, including cardio, your training sucks. If you jump on gear now, not only will you have a crappy first cycle but you'll lose anything you'd gain almost straight afterwards.

You need to learn to train and eat like a big guy to become a big guy. As BiggT mentioned, concentrate on the heavy, compound lifts, eat like food was cheap and drink lots of milk. Have a pint of milk with every meal. You'll grow.

Take yourself to the training forum, man. We'll get you underway and then you can manage a real kick-ass cycle or, maybe, you'll realise that you don't have any need of steroids just yet.
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another excellent post by blut!

welloiled, listen to this guy!
 
can u tell me if deca yellow top would be good to use with d-bol or anavar im considering the injections as well and can u tell me a good anti estrogen thats legal 2 use plz thanks.
 
england111 said:
can u tell me if deca yellow top would be good to use with d-bol or anavar im considering the injections as well and can u tell me a good anti estrogen thats legal 2 use plz thanks.
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its obvious that your gonna juice no matter what i say
so
here is your first cycle
10 weeks
500mg tes enathate/week
aifm or liquidex for anti e
wait one week continueing your antie
pct hcg nolvadex
for three weeks
you already got the deca
fine 600mg firt week
300 mg/week week 2-8
add dostinex if you start gettin sides
and if you do that add 250mg tes to first week only
if it was my first cycle i would do excatly that

why do i say all this
it all here in the first 30 threads
read them
it will tell you the answer to your next question

how can i say this?????
cause you have not and will not ask a new question until you know more
since this thread started 2 more people have said "im new and i want to use steroids and i want to use orals cause i dont like needles." one of them weighs 135lbs, less than ten stone

it will tell you who agrees with the cycle i just mentioned and who thinks im an idiot
it will tell you the same answers sometimes 4 or 5 times

i told you to take 3/4 months perhaps i was overly optimistic

1 HOUR
is that too much? could you do something for one hour before you juice?
read. just read for one hour.

im not your father. do what you wanna
good luck
 
england111 said:
can u tell me if deca yellow top would be good to use with d-bol or anavar im considering the injections as well and can u tell me a good anti estrogen thats legal 2 use plz thanks.
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Being relatively new to this, I'm usually pretty patient when it comes to reading posts by other newbies. However, this one is just too painful to ignore. England, the majority of your questions can be answered by reading books, magazines and doing a little research online. Granted, there are a few questions that can be better explained by the guys here but everything else just takes a little motivation on your part. And speaking of motivation...based on reading your current training and diet program, motivation is something that you're lacking. Of course, you can play dumb and claim that you don't know any better. But any idiot with 5 dollars in his pocket can buy a book/magazine and read to gain a little knowledge. It sounds to me like you want the benefits without putting forth a little hard work and dedication. I think that's also evident by the fact that, at first, you were only willing to do orals...whatever. Bro, when I graduated High School, I was 152lbs. Fourteen years later, I weighed in NATURALLY at 200lbs at 10%BF. I'm about halfway through my first cycle and I'm making great gains. But more importantly, I'm glad I waited as long as I did. I feel that I had pretty much maxed out my genetic potential and decided to get "a little help." So listen to these guy when they tell you to focus on your training and your diet, and wait for AAS later...there's plenty of time. Skip the juice for now...your main concern should be eating, training and sleeping. Oh, and doing a little research on your own wouldn't hurt either. You can start by figuring out if it's safe to drink Winstrol. ;)
 
thanks 4 answering all my q's but that cycle is using way to many different things 2 what i was thinking. i dont want to get massive i just want a decent sized body with a nice shape using minimal steroids.
as im only 11 stone wanting to bump up 2 13stone what would u think about me doing very low doses of d-bol say i train 4 days a week on the 4 days i train i take 20mg of dbol and on the 3 days inbetween i only take 10mg reducing the side affects and not making it noticable that im taking roids. finishing with ???????????? to keep my gains while taking my creatine and protien shakes throughout. :chomp: :chomp:
 
acneman said:
its obvious that your gonna juice no matter what i say
so
here is your first cycle
10 weeks
500mg tes enathate/week
aifm or liquidex for anti e
wait one week continueing your antie
pct hcg nolvadex
for three weeks
you already got the deca
fine 600mg firt week
300 mg/week week 2-8
add dostinex if you start gettin sides
and if you do that add 250mg tes to first week only
if it was my first cycle i would do excatly that

why do i say all this
it all here in the first 30 threads
read them
it will tell you the answer to your next question

how can i say this?????
cause you have not and will not ask a new question until you know more
since this thread started 2 more people have said "im new and i want to use steroids and i want to use orals cause i dont like needles." one of them weighs 135lbs, less than ten stone

it will tell you who agrees with the cycle i just mentioned and who thinks im an idiot
it will tell you the same answers sometimes 4 or 5 times

i told you to take 3/4 months perhaps i was overly optimistic

1 HOUR
is that too much? could you do something for one hour before you juice?
read. just read for one hour.

im not your father. do what you wanna
good luck
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few people get a second chance
heres yours
 
england111 said:
thanks 4 answering all my q's but that cycle is using way to many different things 2 what i was thinking. i dont want to get massive i just want a decent sized body with a nice shape using minimal steroids.
as im only 11 stone wanting to bump up 2 13stone what would u think about me doing very low doses of d-bol say i train 4 days a week on the 4 days i train i take 20mg of dbol and on the 3 days inbetween i only take 10mg reducing the side affects and not making it noticable that im taking roids. finishing with ???????????? to keep my gains while taking my creatine and protien shakes throughout. :chomp: :chomp:
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You're an idiot. You'll GET a "decent sized body" without D-Bol...JUST TRAIN HARD AND EAT RIGHT!!! But, you're going to do what you want so go eat a handfull of D-Bol and have a protein shake. I'm sure you'll make crazy gains on that 40 minute walk to work...dumbass...
 
resqguy said:
You're an idiot. You'll GET a "decent sized body" without D-Bol...JUST TRAIN HARD AND EAT RIGHT!!! But, you're going to do what you want so go eat a handfull of D-Bol and have a protein shake. I'm sure you'll make crazy gains on that 40 minute walk to work...dumbass...
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see i told u few get a second chance
im next resqguy
what do you have to say england
 
Ressq2guy maybe i dont want to wait 14years to naturally grow and have u ever thought that different people have different genetics which will allow them to grow to there natural size as my family genetics all seem to be small build there are no fat boys in my family just skinny guys.
Why should i wait 14 years 4 the body that i want.
Can i ask u a question why did u start taking steroids???
 
england111 said:
Ressq2guy maybe i dont want to wait 14years to naturally grow and have u ever thought that different people have different genetics which will allow them to grow to there natural size as my family genetics all seem to be small build there are no fat boys in my family just skinny guys.
Why should i wait 14 years 4 the body that i want.
Can i ask u a question why did u start taking steroids???
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take the tes. you will need the libido boost when you get to the beach cause im gonna tell you the only secret you need to know for sucess with your sex partner of choice.

they could care less what you look like as long as your willing to bend over and take it like a man

just adjust your attitude and youll get all the attention from the studs on the beach that your lookin for

just go to chat and conversation they love fresh meat trick

enjoy the sun just make sure you put a towel down as the sand might hurt if it gets in your mangina

hey read this^
nah you wont read it
 
At 5'11" and 200lbs, I'm BY FAR the biggest guy in my family. My father is 6'1", 165 and my older brother is 5"10" 160...not big guys at all. I started training in my late teens...by the time I was 25, I had put on quite a bit of natural mass and made good strength gains. In fact, my heaviest was 229lbs at 12%BF. I think that's pretty damn good considering it was all natural. You know how I got that??? Eating right and training hard...no juice. So, you can cry "bad genetics" all day if you want. Based on what YOU wrote about your diet and training, it's not your genetics that suck, it's your work ethic. You're typical...you want to be built like a stud overnight without paying your dues in the gym or getting your diet dialed in. Why did I finally decide to do a cycle? At 32, I felt that since I hadn't made any real gains in a couple years, that maybe AAS would give me that extra boost. At 20 years old, you're still growing bro. I'm not saying you'll have to wait 14 years to see improvements. But you can EASILY pack on some muscle and have a "beach body" without steroids in just a few short months by training hard and eating right. But like I said in my previous post, do what you want. But when the D-Bol bloat goes away and you're puffy and soft, don't come crying to the guys at Elitefitness, wondering what went wrong...
 
I'm losing track of all of these "I weigh 96 pounds and want to start steroids" threads.

I think we're 0 for 3 so far, though, on getting them to eat and train better rather than juicing.
 
blut wump said:
I'm losing track of all of these "I weigh 96 pounds and want to start steroids" threads.

I think we're 0 for 3 so far, though, on getting them to eat and train better rather than juicing.
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yeah and i really worked hard on this one
 
Ok guys, here's my story:

I'm 6 months old and I really want to look good in my Huggies during sandbox season. We've got a couple of really hot Toddler chicks in my daycare, so what can I take that'll go well with my Gerber Peas and Carrots??? Oh, I only want to take orals...

(sorry guys, I couldn't resist...)
 
I'm still a foetus but I don't plan on staying this way the rest of my life. How can I persuade my mother to start using transdermals to give me a head start towards getting swole?
 
blut wump said:
I'm still a foetus but I don't plan on staying this way the rest of my life. How can I persuade my mother to start using transdermals to give me a head start towards getting swole?
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WAY funnier than mine!!! :FRlol:
 
resqguy said:
So where did our boy, England, go?
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probably sittin on his bed in a dress
listening to the crying game over and over
holding his aron carter action figure and rocking back and forth
worrying over his 10th grade english paper due on monday
wondering why people dont like him
thinking "am i a virgin? ive never had sex with a woman. does lettin a homeless person at the bus station analy penetrate me make me gay?"


yeah it harsh but tru
 
acneman said:
probably sittin on his bed in a dress
listening to the crying game over and over
holding his aron carter action figure and rocking back and forth
worrying over his 10th grade english paper due on monday
wondering why people dont like him
thinking "am i a virgin? ive never had sex with a woman. does lettin a homeless person at the bus station analy penetrate me make me gay?"


yeah it harsh but tru
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...you said, "aron carter action figure..."
:FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol:
 
what the fuck. this is the worst thread ever.

#1 this guy is stubborn and foolish
#2 who the fuck told a 20 year old to jam 750mg's of test? what, because you heard Ulter say it now you give advice? holy shit, if you really wanted to help you should have shutup after he agreed to train natty for a few months first, not get him interested in another oral. you're just a database of good info bro.

you know why you don't hear vets chime in on this shit? because it's a complete waste of time.
 
jumpshot said:
what the fuck. this is the worst thread ever.

#1 this guy is stubborn and foolish
#2 who the fuck told a 20 year old to jam 750mg's of test? what, because you heard Ulter say it now you give advice? holy shit, if you really wanted to help you should have shutup after he agreed to train natty for a few months first, not get him interested in another oral. you're just a database of good info bro.

you know why you don't hear vets chime in on this shit? because it's a complete waste of time.
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At the risk of hurting someone's feeling's, I'm going to respond to your #2. Have you seen that guys avatar? I'm assuming it's a personal pic of himself, considering his face is blurred out. Ok, I TOTALLY not trying to be an asshole but...I look WAY better than that guy and I've been natural for 15 years up until last month. It's difficult for me to take anyone seriously who gives advice yet looks like they do little more than pound pizza and beer. Again, I'm not trying to be an asshole and I apologize in advance if my comments are over the top, but c'mon bro...how can someone advise a 20yo kid who barely weighs a buck fifty to start runnin' all that gear when you're built like a 50yo cab driver??? :rolleyes:
 
resqguy said:
At the risk of hurting someone's feeling's, I'm going to respond to your #2. Have you seen that guys avatar? I'm assuming it's a personal pic of himself, considering his face is blurred out. Ok, I TOTALLY not trying to be an asshole but...I look WAY better than that guy and I've been natural for 15 years up until last month. It's difficult for me to take anyone seriously who gives advice yet looks like they do little more than pound pizza and beer. Again, I'm not trying to be an asshole and I apologize in advance if my comments are over the top, but c'mon bro...how can someone advise a 20yo kid who barely weighs a buck fifty to start runnin' all that gear when you're built like a 50yo cab driver??? :rolleyes:
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I would also like to see a different picture of him. I think that one is just not flattering at all. I wish he would do a arm shot or something. I really like reading his posts, he has been really helpful to me. I just don't think that picture is doing him any good.
 
resqguy said:
Ok guys, here's my story:

I'm 6 months old and I really want to look good in my Huggies during sandbox season. We've got a couple of really hot Toddler chicks in my daycare, so what can I take that'll go well with my Gerber Peas and Carrots??? Oh, I only want to take orals...

(sorry guys, I couldn't resist...)
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL
;)
 
blut wump said:
I'm still a foetus but I don't plan on staying this way the rest of my life. How can I persuade my mother to start using transdermals to give me a head start towards getting swole?
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LMAO!!!!! Best post in weeks!
 
resqguy said:
At 5'11" and 200lbs, I'm BY FAR the biggest guy in my family. My father is 6'1", 165 and my older brother is 5"10" 160...not big guys at all. I started training in my late teens...by the time I was 25, I had put on quite a bit of natural mass and made good strength gains. In fact, my heaviest was 229lbs at 12%BF. I think that's pretty damn good considering it was all natural. You know how I got that??? Eating right and training hard...no juice. So, you can cry "bad genetics" all day if you want. Based on what YOU wrote about your diet and training, it's not your genetics that suck, it's your work ethic. You're typical...you want to be built like a stud overnight without paying your dues in the gym or getting your diet dialed in. Why did I finally decide to do a cycle? At 32, I felt that since I hadn't made any real gains in a couple years, that maybe AAS would give me that extra boost. At 20 years old, you're still growing bro. I'm not saying you'll have to wait 14 years to see improvements. But you can EASILY pack on some muscle and have a "beach body" without steroids in just a few short months by training hard and eating right. But like I said in my previous post, do what you want. But when the D-Bol bloat goes away and you're puffy and soft, don't come crying to the guys at Elitefitness, wondering what went wrong...
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wow, that post deserves some bigtime K. I could not agree more. Good post bro!
 
tiny bit of grief to the op, but most of the slap goes to the guys telling this dude to juice. Man, at 20 I was fuckin peaking! I just feel seriously like exponentially increasing my free test by the power of 10 at that age is just retarded. Honest to god new guys, you really REALLY can get what you're looking for with a steroid called DISCIPLINE!

Save the drugs until you don't have a choice.
 
This diet sounds like what i ate during high school...Cornflakes and OJ for breakfast....WTF....so from when u wake up until 1000hrs you dont have any protein....WOW that's one of the reasons why you aren't growing.

england111 said:
My diet goes like this i dont know how many calories:
06:30 / bowl of cornflakes and glass of orange juice
07:30 / 1 bannana and a pint of milk
10:00 / cheese or ham salad sandwich
12:00 / a small grilled steak with salad
14:00 / 1 oat bar with orange juice (i drink plenty of water through day)
17:00 / Big plate of tuna pasta bake
19:00 / cheese or ham sandwich
22:00 / Rack of ribs with some rice
this is just an ordinary day for me i eat different foods throughout the week but it goes something like that. As 4 training that is ussually 3 times per week and each session lasts between 40-60 mins of weight training and cardio is basically walking 2 work every day which takes 40 mins. can u give me advice on this aswell plz. :chomp:
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Yeah, seriously. This guy wants to scarf down a handfull of D-Bol every day to get bigger, when really all he needs to do is read a little bit about diet and training, and then apply those basic principals. It's frustrating. But what's more frustrating, like jumpshot said, is the idiots who are advising him what to take at 20yo.
 
I use brontosaurus pituitary extract, raw glandular ape testicles, and Joe Weider Super Mega Packs. I say no to steeeeeeroids though cuz I'm skeered of needles. Thinking of trying dbol only though cuz everyone says it sucks. So naturally, I must do the opposite of what everyone tells me to do-and go with orals only. There is no other way to go about it. I am the chosen one to set the record straight that dbol only cycles will give me a World Class Physique in 3 weeks or less without ever setting foot in the gym. Stackers are haters. Orals only rules-and I can proudly say I'm not a junkie.
 
BigCracker said:
I use brontosaurus pituitary extract, raw glandular ape testicles, and Joe Weider Super Mega Packs. I say no to steeeeeeroids though cuz I'm skeered of needles. Thinking of trying dbol only though cuz everyone says it sucks. So naturally, I must do the opposite of what everyone tells me to do-and go with orals only. There is no other way to go about it. I am the chosen one to set the record straight that dbol only cycles will give me a World Class Physique in 3 weeks or less without ever setting foot in the gym. Stackers are haters. Orals only rules-and I can proudly say I'm not a junkie.
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yes
now were talkin :p
 
boz44 said:
I would also like to see a different picture of him. I think that one is just not flattering at all. I wish he would do a arm shot or something. I really like reading his posts, he has been really helpful to me. I just don't think that picture is doing him any good.
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I agree...he seems like a nice guy based on a lot of his posts. However, suggesting that much gear to a kid is irresponsible.
 
boz44 said:
I would also like to see a different picture of him. I think that one is just not flattering at all. I wish he would do a arm shot or something. I really like reading his posts, he has been really helpful to me. I just don't think that picture is doing him any good.
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You show you are mature! My avatar has an entire story attached to it. I am far from fat and am very comfortable with my looks. I must say initially I had posted an angerred response to his original post and deleted it and am just having fun with bombing and karma now and when it is all said and done their will be no hard feelings. But truthfully my avatar is not a good concept or look of me. I will say it was the end of Dbol cycle thinking I could do it without an AI. LOL! Never again! AIFM Should have been on hand because that would have saved me from the bloat. I will never get rid of that pic as a reminder either! I took my avatar down because I am with how much people put that into your credability of what you know. Last I check some of the best football coaches in the NFL are not necessarily huge swole and cut. Usually they are rather unfit but they know their shit dont they! o.k. at least most of them do!
 
the post below has to be the dumbest one ive ever read, ever. shit, you are telling him to hop on deca and test then do some research and learn how to eat and grow. i wasted about a grand on winstrol eating 2500 cals that is a fact. did it forever till i found this place. dbol will blow you up for 6 weeks you will lose it all and more, a terrible cycle. if you are gonna do anything research fucking steroids, eat 5000 cals a day nothing but steak chicken or turkey. i put on more weight in my last two cycles than anyother one. i ran dbol test and deca and gained nada and crashed hard, why i didn't eat right and those are hard steroids to come off. i ran eq this time alone with proviron and some npp, gained 15 lbs of shredded mass. i have gone from 6 3 125 at 17 to 190 ay 7% bf. i know what it is like to be skinny. are you serious asking if it will thicken your bones. no it will not. ef is hurting



Originally Posted by welloiledmachine
England. First off don't be discouraged. Most of the guys here were messing with AAS right out of high school. Everyone trying to act all "wait and train" is bull shitting. Check it out, D'bol is not the best choice to start. Begin with low dosage of Test, and Deca, learn your PCT and respect Anti-E's. Do some research and then learn how to eat to grow.....
 
this man knows his shit. also at 20 i was not fully grown. i was actually about 6 foot till 22 i reached 6 3 and my plated shut. i got that confirmed before i hit gear. i also asked 4 doctors if winstrol would hurt my body, i wasn't just jumpin in


Quote:
Originally Posted by resqguy
At 5'11" and 200lbs, I'm BY FAR the biggest guy in my family. My father is 6'1", 165 and my older brother is 5"10" 160...not big guys at all. I started training in my late teens...by the time I was 25, I had put on quite a bit of natural mass and made good strength gains. In fact, my heaviest was 229lbs at 12%BF. I think that's pretty damn good considering it was all natural. You know how I got that??? Eating right and training hard...no juice. So, you can cry "bad genetics" all day if you want. Based on what YOU wrote about your diet and training, it's not your genetics that suck, it's your work ethic. You're typical...you want to be built like a stud overnight without paying your dues in the gym or getting your diet dialed in. Why did I finally decide to do a cycle? At 32, I felt that since I hadn't made any real gains in a couple years, that maybe AAS would give me that extra boost. At 20 years old, you're still growing bro. I'm not saying you'll have to wait 14 years to see improvements. But you can EASILY pack on some muscle and have a "beach body" without steroids in just a few short months by training hard and eating right. But like I said in my previous post, do what you want. But when the D-Bol bloat goes away and you're puffy and soft, don't come crying to the guys at Elitefitness, wondering what went wrong...
 
bruce410 said:
this man knows his shit. also at 20 i was not fully grown. i was actually about 6 foot till 22 i reached 6 3 and my plated shut. i got that confirmed before i hit gear. i also asked 4 doctors if winstrol would hurt my body, i wasn't just jumpin in


Quote:
Originally Posted by resqguy
At 5'11" and 200lbs, I'm BY FAR the biggest guy in my family. My father is 6'1", 165 and my older brother is 5"10" 160...not big guys at all. I started training in my late teens...by the time I was 25, I had put on quite a bit of natural mass and made good strength gains. In fact, my heaviest was 229lbs at 12%BF. I think that's pretty damn good considering it was all natural. You know how I got that??? Eating right and training hard...no juice. So, you can cry "bad genetics" all day if you want. Based on what YOU wrote about your diet and training, it's not your genetics that suck, it's your work ethic. You're typical...you want to be built like a stud overnight without paying your dues in the gym or getting your diet dialed in. Why did I finally decide to do a cycle? At 32, I felt that since I hadn't made any real gains in a couple years, that maybe AAS would give me that extra boost. At 20 years old, you're still growing bro. I'm not saying you'll have to wait 14 years to see improvements. But you can EASILY pack on some muscle and have a "beach body" without steroids in just a few short months by training hard and eating right. But like I said in my previous post, do what you want. But when the D-Bol bloat goes away and you're puffy and soft, don't come crying to the guys at Elitefitness, wondering what went wrong...
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I agree Bruce he has credability but he IMO needs to learn just a little bit about tact!. Bruces your info and recomendations are as good as info gets too! Newbies should KNOW THAT!
 
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Can every single 1 of u tell me why and how old u were when u started steroids and i havent been on the post becoz i have a life i dont just workout and then go straight on this forum
 
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