Igf And Cancer??

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

I have just joined this forum and I notice a few threads about IGF. I am just about to get some but have read the links that it can massively increase the rate at which cancer grows at. I have e mailed Milos Sarcev and have been on a few other boards and the consensus is that this stuff should be left alone as any cnacer you may have WILL be sped up by using a lot of HGH and more so IGF which is directly more powerful.
Any thoughts or opinions on this?
My queries lie with the fact that you very rarely haer of bodybuilders getting cancer even though HGH has been used loads in the past 15 years.
I wanna get some and increase my 220lb frame but am concerned as you can see, and I would feel others would also be concerned!

 

[nomad12]

Its the only thing holding me back as well. Ihave read a thread where omega said it is a real threat. My question is can I go to a doc and say give me a full cancer screen.

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

I was thinking the same thing!
Is it possible to get a full cancer screening test at the doctors?
I have reads that high IGF levels in the blood can increase prostate, colon, lung cancers massively, like six fold.
This is important, I dont wanna be big and die when I am 40!
Anyone?

 

[buffsthestuff]

indy and satchboogie are the guys you want to talk to about igf they know what they are talking about for sure

 

[Prizz]

I dont know how old you guys are, but I guess that doesn't matter..... Listen, if you have cancer, you get sick..... Ok, sure there are stories you hear where a person didn't know they had a tumor, but that's pretty rare.... Usually, cancer tumors will show themselves to you in some way.... You will feel a lump, you will get sick, you get weak, you will get pain.... Something will happen to make you go to the doctor..... Like I said, this isn't the story EVERYTIME, but 90% of the cases it presents itself.....

Now, I guess it's possible you could have a small tumor somewhere, and not know about it, but that is very rare.... To answer your question, there is no ONE test that will tell a doctor that you have cancer somewhere in your body.... Like, you can't pee on a stick, and if it turns purple, you have cancer.... Each tumor needs to be found individually...... I have no exp using IGF yet, so I understand your concerns, but I don't think it should stop you from using it..... Look at it this way, if you do have some cancer tumor hiding, and the IGF will make it grow, you will find it that much faster, and get it taken care of..... If you have cancer, you have cancer, and it's gonna suck..... I think the IGF/Cancer phobia will diminish in time....

rizz

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

I see your point. Say you got a tumor which is not growing and will never grow until your 70, but after a few courses of IGF all of a sudden you got prostate cancer and your only 30. Or you got colon cancer and your going to die and your 35.
From the studies I read this seems to be what they suggest may happen in cancer prone people. How come loads of bodybuilders around the world arent contracting cancer then at a young age?
I am confused

 

[satchboogie]

theres a specific thread about this topic at www.getIGF.com

 

[Prizz]

I see your point. Say you got a tumor which is not growing and will never grow until your 70, but after a few courses of IGF all of a sudden you got prostate cancer and your only 30. Or you got colon cancer and your going to die and your 35.
From the studies I read this seems to be what they suggest may happen in cancer prone people. How come loads of bodybuilders around the world arent contracting cancer then at a young age?
I am confused

Your 1st line doesn't make medical sense.... By definition a tumor is a GROWTH.... Not flaming you, I'm just showing you that youre a lil paranoid about the cancer thing.... I can understand that, cancer is scary shit.... Even if cancer runs in your family, IGF use won't speed that process up.... It only makes tumors grow faster, not create them....

rizz

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

So unless you got a tumor knocking about, IGF wont do jack!
But if you have then I guess your in a pickle?

 

[Prizz]

So unless you got a tumor knocking about, IGF wont do jack!
But if you have then I guess your in a pickle?

right

 

[kbrkbr]

I Listen, if you have cancer, you get sick..... Ok, sure there are stories you hear where a person didn't know they had a tumor, but that's pretty rare.... Usually, cancer tumors will show themselves to you in some way.... You will feel a lump, you will get sick, you get weak, you will get pain.... Something will happen to make you go to the doctor..... Like I said, this isn't the story EVERYTIME, but 90% of the cases it presents itself.....

I have no exp using IGF yet, so I understand your concerns, but I don't think it should stop you from using it..... Look at it this way, if you do have some cancer tumor hiding, and the IGF will make it grow, you will find it that much faster, and get it taken care of..... If you have cancer, you have cancer, and it's gonna suck..... I think the IGF/Cancer phobia will diminish in time....

rizz

The problem with this kind of thinking is that not all cancers produce tumors. Skin cancer, for example, doesn't produce huge, quick growing lumps which are readily noticeable but rather basel cells which are cancerous. Leukemia is essentially cancer of the blood and acute forms can kill you within weeks. The only statement you made I agree with is that there is no single test for all the cancers one might get.

To recommend IGF by saying

"the IGF will make it grow, you will find it that much faster, and get it taken care of"

is just plain irresponsible and you're playing with people's lives when you say it. Are you sure you really want to do that? The bottom line is that science really isn't certain as to the exact extent by which IGF effects cancer.

 

[Prizz]

is just plain irresponsible and you're playing with people's lives when you say it. Are you sure you really want to do that? The bottom line is that science really isn't certain as to the exact extent by which IGF effects cancer.



Wait a second.... I'm playing with people's lives? ME? I'm not a doctor.... I'm just giving my opinion, that's all it is, an opinion.... If you think somone on here will take my word as law, then I question their medical constitution..... I'm just some dude that lifts weights, and reads about compounds that are supposed to make you bigger.... I don't claim to be some expert.... Wow, should I have a disclaimer after my posts now? I really don't think anyone takes these posts as law.... Just a way to get info, that's it.... At least I hope that's how it is..... Most board members are intelligent enough to make their own decisions..... Playing with people's lives? Pfffftt....

rizz

 

[LT3]

To recommend IGF by saying

"the IGF will make it grow, you will find it that much faster, and get it taken care of"

is just plain irresponsible and you're playing with people's lives when you say it. Are you sure you really want to do that? The bottom line is that science really isn't certain as to the exact extent by which IGF effects cancer.

I agree. you dont know how fast that tumor will grow. what it if grows to a point that your doc cant do much. the whole point is not to let it grow.

 

[Mr.X]

read this - http://www.mmsfitness.com/steroid_newsletter/parabens-cancer.html

this is your daily body wash, soap or spray, you're using it and it causes cancer. Forget IGF-1, look at your daily life and you'll know what you're eating, drinking, breathing that will eventually cause cancer.

IGF-1 and cancer, I wouldn't worry about it unless you're an abuser. If you abuse IGF, what can I say ? most idiots dig their own grave.

P.S. please donate $8 to my charity there

Mr.X

 

[Prizz]

My whole thing is that this board has alot of opinions on it.... We're talking about drugs that are new, lil research is done on them, and we discuss stuff.... Just cause I post that in my opinion IGF isn't gonna cause cancer, doesn't mean it wont.... I have no idea, but by the studies I have read, it seems to me that it won't (My opinion)..... Just cause I think the guy is worrying a bit too much, doesn't mean I'm telling him to do it..... Lots of smart guys on this board, they have enough sense to know the information on here isn't Law...

rizz

 

[reigninghard]

In my opinion...cancer IS something to be paranoid about.....I have lost 2 uncles and a grandfather to cancer that wasn't found until they showed symptoms...THEN IT WAS TOO LATE! Don't tell me that a product will make it grow faster so you can find it sooner...MANY MANY MANY times its too late when the symptoms start...not rarely!

 

[Prizz]

In my opinion...cancer IS something to be paranoid about.....I have lost 2 uncles and a grandfather to cancer that wasn't found until they showed symptoms...THEN IT WAS TOO LATE! Don't tell me that a product will make it grow faster so you can find it sooner...MANY MANY MANY times its too late when the symptoms start...not rarely!

When I said it makes it grow faster, then you will find it sooner, I was trying to make a point.... The point is you can't just worry that you have a tumor hiding in you somewhere, and live your life accordingly.... So why do juice then? or GH?, or even take a Tylenol when you have a headache.... Any of those compounds could maybe possibley make your hidden tumors come out faster too..... I was trying to point out the paranoia, not reccomend doing IGF to find your cancer..... And it is Rare for you to have a tumor, and not have symptoms..... Symptoms might be subtle depending on the type of tumor, but there are usually symptoms.... People might ignore them, but they are present..... No one wants cancer, and everyone is afraid of it to an extent.... However, I'm not gonna live my life afraid of getting cancer.... Not gonna move to the country so I don't get lung cancer, stay out of the Sun so I don't get skin cancer, not use deoderant cause it has Aluminum in it that MIGHT cause cancer.... Look, if youre afraid of the cancer risks, don't take the compound, it's that simple.....

rizz

 

[reigninghard]

When I said it makes it grow faster, then you will find it sooner, I was trying to make a point.... The point is you can't just worry that you have a tumor hiding in you somewhere, and live your life accordingly.... So why do juice then? or GH?, or even take a Tylenol when you have a headache.... Any of those compounds could maybe possibley make your hidden tumors come out faster too..... I was trying to point out the paranoia, not reccomend doing IGF to find your cancer..... And it is Rare for you to have a tumor, and not have symptoms..... Symptoms might be subtle depending on the type of tumor, but there are usually symptoms.... People might ignore them, but they are present..... No one wants cancer, and everyone is afraid of it to an extent.... However, I'm not gonna live my life afraid of getting cancer.... Not gonna move to the country so I don't get lung cancer, stay out of the Sun so I don't get skin cancer, not use deoderant cause it has Aluminum in it that MIGHT cause cancer.... Look, if youre afraid of the cancer risks, don't take the compound, it's that simple.....

rizz

I agree

 

[Prizz]

I agree

btw... I love that chick in your avatar man....

 

[reigninghard]

btw... I love that chick in your avatar man....

Christina Aguillara...or however you spell it...she is smokin'

 

[Prizz]

Christina Aguillara...or however you spell it...she is smokin'

OMFG dude, I had no idea that was her.... I hate Pop Stars, I'm more of a Band supporter, like dudes that play actual instruments..... She looks great in that pic though..... Nice....

rizz

 

[Singleton]

read this - http://www.mmsfitness.com/steroid_newsletter/parabens-cancer.html

this is your daily body wash, soap or spray, you're using it and it causes cancer. Forget IGF-1, look at your daily life and you'll know what you're eating, drinking, breathing that will eventually cause cancer.

That is a good list. I was aware of the pro-cancer and estrogenic effect of parabens in sunscreens, but I was not aware of the many of the other things that contain parabens. Can you detail or specify which parabens are in food products? Can you please list alternative, healthful solutions for these products?

Soaps and toothpastes:
*shampoos
*antiperspirants and deodorants
Chemical:
Solution: Use _____ instead.

*moisturizing lotions
*eye, ear and nose drops
*bandages
*sunscreens
Chemical: Parabens and benzophenones
Solution: Use a Titatanium Dioxide or zinc oxide sunscreen, aka "physical' sunblock.

Food products:
*salad dressings
*marinated fish products
*mayo
*mustard
*spiced sauces
*processed veggies
*frozen dairy products
*jams and jellies
*soft drinks and fruit juices
*baked goods and candy

 

[Singleton]

^^^

 

[Mr.X]

The big corporations are not required to label or show parabens, they can say it's "natural and artificial flavors"

 

[Mr.X]

It's the same as monosodium glutamate = MSG

the dreaded MSG is just going by another name, but a lot of US people don't realize it's in their food as monosodium glutamate, nice and legal.

 

[wayneboard1]

Your 1st line doesn't make medical sense.... By definition a tumor is a GROWTH.... Not flaming you, I'm just showing you that youre a lil paranoid about the cancer thing.... I can understand that, cancer is scary shit.... Even if cancer runs in your family, IGF use won't speed that process up.... It only makes tumors grow faster, not create them....

rizz

It's not a tuma!!!

 

[gjohnson5]

Your 1st line doesn't make medical sense.... By definition a tumor is a GROWTH.... Not flaming you, I'm just showing you that youre a lil paranoid about the cancer thing.... I can understand that, cancer is scary shit.... Even if cancer runs in your family, IGF use won't speed that process up.... It only makes tumors grow faster, not create them....

rizz

I guess I have yet to read the word malignant in any of this. So What is igf-1 makes a lipoma grow?

 

[Singleton]

It's the same as monosodium glutamate = MSG

the dreaded MSG is just going by another name, but a lot of US people don't realize it's in their food as monosodium glutamate, nice and legal.

MSG = Monosodium Glutamate == common knowledge

 

[Big_Joe]

I'm a cancer surviver but just barely. All cancers don't present as tumors. I had large B cell lymphoma and I was going to the doc for a long time with all sorts of strange problems. They couldn't find it. They didn't make the connection that the nosebleed that wouldn't stop for three days was related to cancer. Or any of the huge number of other problems I had was related to cancer. The only reason I lived was the emergency room I went to had a very good doctor. Because of the level of pain I was in and what he saw in the xray he knew where to send me. He saved my life. If I had had a lesser doctor I'd be dead. And that's no joke, I mean it, I'd be dead. Cancer is hard to find because it's your body that is making the cells. If you had some foreign bacteria in your body it's fairly easy to find. But cancer isn't like that. And don't think it's because I'm fifty and your twenty it will be OK. I have friend of mine that his wonderful little five year old daughter died of cancer. It's not age related.

So for me I'll stick to test and tren and maybe a couple of other things but HGH and IGF1 forget it. The difference in cost alone is enough to prevent me from doing it. I can buy a whole bunch of test for what a little IGF1 costs.

 

[Mr.X]

MSG = Monosodium Glutamate == common knowledge

For 90% of US public it's NOT common knowledge. In fact, it's not even known because the corporations do NOT have to put it in the ingredients, they can choose to put it as a "natural and artifical flavors."

So, NO , it's NOT common knowledge at all

 

[macrophage69alpha]

There are legitimate concerns regarding IGF-1 and Cancer. Though there are also legitimate concerns regarding GH and cancer. Both are proliferative.

Does this mean that you cannot use GH or IGF.. no.. but it does mean that this is something that you need to consider before using them as well as information that you should use in deciding on what "safe" dosages are... based on the research in mice the higher the dose the greater the risk.

 

[reigninghard]

For 90% of US public it's NOT common knowledge. In fact, it's not even known because the corporations do NOT have to put it in the ingredients, they can choose to put it as a "natural and artifical flavors."

So, NO , it's NOT common knowledge at all

testy?

 

[gtrcivic]

There are legitimate concerns regarding IGF-1 and Cancer. Though there are also legitimate concerns regarding GH and cancer. Both are proliferative.

Does this mean that you cannot use GH or IGF.. no.. but it does mean that this is something that you need to consider before using them as well as information that you should use in deciding on what "safe" dosages are... based on the research in mice the higher the dose the greater the risk.

Duly noted and totally agree...i've read in JAMA and other journals about once you do have cancer, IGF-1 can acclerate the growth of it.. ie prostate, colon, and breast from what i have read.

 

[Mr.X]

testy?

huh?

 

[HGH man]

I had cancer this year and it was caught in the nick of time. A tumor was found after peeing blood on occasion. Doing a chest,pelis,abdomen scan with contrast they(Drs at loyola) found a tumor on my kidney 4"X5" and a thickness of 9cm. My endocrinologist took me off HGH the very next day. Why ? He said because it causes tumors to speed growth up. The Drs. said it probably would have matastasized in the next 6 months give or take 3 months. Now I don't know if it was caused by steroids that I took or HGH that I was on for 3½ years thru my endo at VA Hospital. The steroids that I took were human grade. But every 6 months I get bloodwork taken. I knew 1 person this year that was'nt as fortunate as me with kidney cancer but his matastasized and he was dead within 3 months. I was put on HGH because I had a pituitary tumor(found in 86) and it was very small about pea sized and I was given a test to see if I needed HGH. HGH had helped me very much and I still help people decide if they should take it. I think HGH is out of the question for me.

 

[kbrkbr]

I'm a cancer surviver but just barely. All cancers don't present as tumors. I had large B cell lymphoma and I was going to the doc for a long time with all sorts of strange problems. They couldn't find it. They didn't make the connection that the nosebleed that wouldn't stop for three days was related to cancer. Or any of the huge number of other problems I had was related to cancer. The only reason I lived was the emergency room I went to had a very good doctor. Because of the level of pain I was in and what he saw in the xray he knew where to send me. He saved my life. If I had had a lesser doctor I'd be dead. And that's no joke, I mean it, I'd be dead. Cancer is hard to find because it's your body that is making the cells. If you had some foreign bacteria in your body it's fairly easy to find. But cancer isn't like that. And don't think it's because I'm fifty and your twenty it will be OK. I have friend of mine that his wonderful little five year old daughter died of cancer. It's not age related.

So for me I'll stick to test and tren and maybe a couple of other things but HGH and IGF1 forget it. The difference in cost alone is enough to prevent me from doing it. I can buy a whole bunch of test for what a little IGF1 costs.

Scary shit. Glad you made it.

 

[kbrkbr]

I had cancer this year and it was caught in the nick of time. A tumor was found after peeing blood on occasion. Doing a chest,pelis,abdomen scan with contrast they(Drs at loyola) found a tumor on my kidney 4"X5" and a thickness of 9cm. My endocrinologist took me off HGH the very next day. Why ? He said because it causes tumors to speed growth up. The Drs. said it probably would have matastasized in the next 6 months give or take 3 months. Now I don't know if it was caused by steroids that I took or HGH that I was on for 3½ years thru my endo at VA Hospital. The steroids that I took were human grade. But every 6 months I get bloodwork taken. I knew 1 person this year that was'nt as fortunate as me with kidney cancer but his matastasized and he was dead within 3 months. I was put on HGH because I had a pituitary tumor(found in 86) and it was very small about pea sized and I was given a test to see if I needed HGH. HGH had helped me very much and I still help people decide if they should take it. I think HGH is out of the question for me.

Fuck it. IGF is now completely out of the question for me. Hell, these threads are even making me doubt my beloved gh.

 

[thx9000]

I'm a cancer surviver but just barely. All cancers don't present as tumors. I had large B cell lymphoma and I was going to the doc for a long time with all sorts of strange problems. They couldn't find it. They didn't make the connection that the nosebleed that wouldn't stop for three days was related to cancer. Or any of the huge number of other problems I had was related to cancer. The only reason I lived was the emergency room I went to had a very good doctor. Because of the level of pain I was in and what he saw in the xray he knew where to send me. He saved my life. If I had had a lesser doctor I'd be dead. And that's no joke, I mean it, I'd be dead. Cancer is hard to find because it's your body that is making the cells. If you had some foreign bacteria in your body it's fairly easy to find. But cancer isn't like that. And don't think it's because I'm fifty and your twenty it will be OK. I have friend of mine that his wonderful little five year old daughter died of cancer. It's not age related.

So for me I'll stick to test and tren and maybe a couple of other things but HGH and IGF1 forget it. The difference in cost alone is enough to prevent me from doing it. I can buy a whole bunch of test for what a little IGF1 costs.

So you're okay with the potential CA risks attributed to elevated free test or other powerful androgens but not GH?

 

[Singleton]

For 90% of US public it's NOT common knowledge. In fact, it's not even known because the corporations do NOT have to put it in the ingredients, they can choose to put it as a "natural and artifical flavors."

So, NO , it's NOT common knowledge at all

I've been searching about MSG online now and I'm really surprised to find that it is much more common and not even listed in some ingredients. You're right!

For example, according to a few sites I've visitied, MSG is always present in texturized vegetable protein, hydrolyzed whey protein, and other seemingly benign ingredients.

http://www.truthinlabeling.org/hiddensources.html

 

[HGH man]

If it's in the books that your going to die from something,there's nothing you can do to avoid it forever.Steroids play a big part in my having cancer but who's to say if it was the HGH or steroids? Eat Right,Keep Fit and Die Anyway is my motto since then. My life since cancer has taught me 1 thing,you can't avoid it if it's meant to happen. It will come back with a vengence or not come back at all. It's a mystery,is'nt it ?

 

[danasti]

I have just joined this forum and I notice a few threads about IGF. I am just about to get some but have read the links that it can massively increase the rate at which cancer grows at. I have e mailed Milos Sarcev and have been on a few other boards and the consensus is that this stuff should be left alone as any cnacer you may have WILL be sped up by using a lot of HGH and more so IGF which is directly more powerful.
Any thoughts or opinions on this?
My queries lie with the fact that you very rarely haer of bodybuilders getting cancer even though HGH has been used loads in the past 15 years.
I wanna get some and increase my 220lb frame but am concerned as you can see, and I would feel others would also be concerned!

It's my belief from what I have read stating long r3igf-1 or hgh either causes or exacerbates cancer is overstated and sometimes the science is misinterpreted. Don't get me wrong, if you are going to use it, use it at a responsible dose for a responsible time period and as with all other substances, pay close attention to your body. In the scientific and medical communities many believe that athletes taking hgh or AAS are equilivalent to recreational drug users, they believe that it is wrong and immoral to use it for this purpose... Some believe in this so strongly that many so called "studies" have been proven to be concieved of nothing more than fear-mongering and their results are basically junk. Unfortunately many of these conclusions still live on in the form of an urban myth. We know for a fact that certain scientists will substitute fiction for fact as their means justify their end in creating the world they find morally acceptable. Now just because I've known a good deal of people who have taken hgh and none had cancer or have cancer (that I know of) doesn't mean that it won't increase cancers growth. That means nothing scientifically. But just because they find igf in tumors doesn't mean that igf caused the cancer to grow.

The harvard study linking bst to prostate cancer is like comparing apples to oranges when you substitute the bovine growth hormone for media grade long r3igf-1. Honestly though I buy my milk free of bst, FARMLAND DAIRYS, if you're interested. I did this after looking at the effects it had on the COWS I saw in a documentary, after seeing that shit I'll hopefully never drink it again. But I've seen people on igf-1 and they weren't having the same serious problems as the cows. That's just my opinion anyways.

 

[digimon7068]

I dont know how old you guys are, but I guess that doesn't matter..... Listen, if you have cancer, you get sick..... Ok, sure there are stories you hear where a person didn't know they had a tumor, but that's pretty rare.... Usually, cancer tumors will show themselves to you in some way.... You will feel a lump, you will get sick, you get weak, you will get pain.... Something will happen to make you go to the doctor..... Like I said, this isn't the story EVERYTIME, but 90% of the cases it presents itself.....

rizz

I don't know, man. Lance Armstrong didn't know he had the shit until it had taken up residence in quite a few areas of his body. In fact, if it hadn't invaded his lungs which caused the fatigue, that caused him to seek medical attention, he almost certainly would have died.

 

[thx9000]

If it's in the books that your going to die from something,there's nothing you can do to avoid it forever.Steroids play a big part in my having cancer but who's to say if it was the HGH or steroids? Eat Right,Keep Fit and Die Anyway is my motto since then. My life since cancer has taught me 1 thing,you can't avoid it if it's meant to happen. It will come back with a vengence or not come back at all. It's a mystery,is'nt it ?

I forget, how much GH had you been taking ED over the years?

 

[HGH man]

I forget, how much GH had you been taking ED over the years?

4iusED

 

[gjohnson5]

For 90% of US public it's NOT common knowledge. In fact, it's not even known because the corporations do NOT have to put it in the ingredients, they can choose to put it as a "natural and artifical flavors."

So, NO , it's NOT common knowledge at all

Also my understanding is that MSG has many forms not just monosodium glutamate. I was under the impression many items with free form glutamic acid are candidates.

 

[Big_Joe]

So you're okay with the potential CA risks attributed to elevated free test or other powerful androgens but not GH?

Actually I did a lot of research before I began this. One of the studies that convinced me to go ahead was this one:
Klienfelter
and this one:Klienfelters2

These studies show that people with low test levels, Klienfelters is a genetic low test problem, have a higher incidence, three and a half times, of the type of cancer I had. Also the chemo gave me type 2 diabetes. I did a lot of research on it and used androstenediol to treat it. I have completely cured my diabetes. Because I had low test levels and using andro cured my diabetes I thought it was a good idea to get my test levels higher.

I did consider the increased risk of prostate cancer. But my PSA is .5 and there is no history of it in my family so I didn't worry about it to much.

So far I have only used test and tren. And before I used tren I researched it on medline and found studies that showed it did not increase the risk of cancer.

Next year I was going to give primo a try. The main reason I picked primo is it has low side effects. And cancer is not one of them.

I know that a lot of guys on here use steroids to get bigger. I am a little different. I am using them to rebuild my body after debilitating illness. What they were made for in the first place. But because steroids have gotten such a bad rap from abuse I cann't get a doctor to help me with it so I am doing it myself.

Before I got sick I was an athlete. And I kick my ass and use every tool I have to recover and be an athlete still.

And by the way, I saw my oncologist yesterday. He says I am fine and don't come back for at least a year. I WON! I kicked cancers ass!!!! I AM AN ATHLETE!