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If you could do YOUR first cycle over again...

If you could do your first cycle all over again, it would look like:

  • Sustanon/omnadren for 10 weeks alone

    Votes: 12 9.0%

  • cyp/enanth for 10 weeks alone

    Votes: 23 17.3%

  • primo and anavar only! Be safe!

    Votes: 11 8.3%

  • test/primo for 10 weeks

    Votes: 6 4.5%

  • test/deca for 12+ weeks

    Votes: 16 12.0%

  • test/deca/dbol for 12+ weeks (Dbol obviously 4-6 wks)

    Votes: 33 24.8%

  • one of the above finishing with 4 weeks test prop

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • one of the above with some combination of HGH/IGF1 and/or insulin

    Votes: 1 0.8%

  • one of the above with EQ

    Votes: 9 6.8%

  • one of the above with winnie

    Votes: 2 1.5%

  • one of the above with tren (wh00t!)

    Votes: 9 6.8%

  • a far more complex cycle than the ones above

    Votes: 10 7.5%
  • Total voters
    133
kethnaab

kethnaab

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how would it look?

Remember, I'm not asking what you would tell some OTHER bro, who is new to the game.

I'm saying what if God said "Bro, you get to go back in time and do your first cycle all over again"
 
I dont like test anymore, i always feel like ass. Done test/dbol, deca/dbol, test/deca/dbol. I like the way i felt on deca and dbol, always energetic and never sickly feeling. Id go with deca and anadrol. 12 weeks at 300mg deca a week and 50mg drol ED weeks 1-5 and 10-15.
 
Yeah, definently..

Test Enantate / Deca / DBol.... followed up with some prop.....then some winny...clomidand pregnil.....that would have been rocking!!!!! If I could turn.......turn back the ...handsof time....etc!
 
BigCracker said:
I can't really say cuz I'm still on my 1st cycle. I started it back in 1989.
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That there is frigan hilarious! Karma to you fatcracka
 
I used 750 mgs sust, 300 mgs deca and 30 mgs dbol for a few weeks for my first. :worried: Definately overkill, I probably would have done just as good off of 500 mgs of test.
 
If I were to do my first again? I would have learned a LOT more about what I was taking. Were going back to '85 here when there was no internet just people that used them and the underground steroid handbook. I think my first was a dbol only (yikes!), but I think a testE for 10 woulda been better. Hell, later I even did a a-bomb only cycle, then a deca only, man I was just dumb, dumb, dumb.
 
still on my first.....10 weeks of Omnadren @ 500mg/wk

kind of wished i would have jump stared with dbol 25mg/ed for 4 weeks
 
How about "None of the above"? I would do Test 600 + deca 500 + winny 50 + arimidex for 6-8 weeks. I still am a believer in shorter cycles.
 
my first cycle was 12 weeks of test e..
i would do it over again for a first cycle,
however, i do not use test at all anymore in my cycles, but my first cycle was a good one and i dont regret it.
 
DJSF, you mention shorter cycles. Are you talking about NPP and test prop when you say "Test 600 + deca 500"

Just curious because if you mean the typical nandrolone decanoate and test enanth/cyp, I've always read they take awhile to get into the system, and as a result, you need to do longer cycles.

Thanks for your response, just soliciting opinions. :)

lvtitan, out of curiosity, why not test?
 
we all gotta do some trial and error to see what works for us, what helps us reach our goals. i did five cycles before i found my perfect combination: test enth and BD tren hex.
 
kethnaab said:
i'll assume that you wouldn't do T-E and Tren Hex together for a first cycle?

or would you? :P
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no because didnt know anything about either at first. like most guys started with an oral, anavar, for fear of needles.

my first injectable was sus. i did a sus only cycle. there is so much to learn about AAS you gotta start slow and see what works for you. learned everything i could on EF. never would have known where to start without this site.
 
righto, but what I'm saying....take your knowledge that you have now, and stick it back in your 25-year old body (or however old you were when you first started)

so, knowing what you know now about how YOUR body reacts, if you could go back and do it over again, would you do the tren/test cycle you said?

i know, FUCKING KETHNAAB AND HIS ANNOYING FUCKING QUESTIONS.... :P
 
dude im old. i started juicing two years ago at 41. i was always well built but wanted to bring my physique to a new level. i now got the cash and the knowledge to do what i want.

at 25 i would never even have considered juicing. at that time, in the 80s, noone knew anything about steroids. it just wasn't talked about like it is now.

noone can tell you what to do. we don't know your stats, goals, genetic capabilities, body fat. but if you are asking for my two cents i would start with test only, maybe throw in some var for your first stack.

you young bucks seem to like dbol.(if you want to do an oral). i hate dbol did once and felt like a was taking poison. i am lean and can do test without any bloat, but hated the way my head looked on dbol.
 
"you young bucks"

*snicker* You ain't that much older than me, geezer, now shaddup and hand me my dentures!

seriously though, appreciate the opinions. Notice I'm not asking anyone else what *I* should do, just asking what *you* would do if you possessed the knowledge you do now.

'preciate!
 
I would do this:

test ent wk 1-10 25mgs
HCG wk 5 & 10 500 ius/day for 10 days
Clomid 12 days after last shot 300/100/50

I gained 20lbs on that cycle the first time. I didn't use hcg or clomid and dropped back down to 14lbs.
 
How about something like this:

Day (1 to 7) Testo E.
Day 7 to 14) 1.5-2 Testo (-50%) & Deca
Day 14 to 21 DECA(+50%)
Day 21 to 28 DECA(-50%) & Equipoise
Day 28 to 35 Equipose (+50%)
Day 35 to 42 Equipose (-50%) and Primo
Day 42 to 49 Primo
Day 49 to 56 Primo (-50%)

Then you regual PCT products.

In theory, this cycle has the avantage of being short, the most androgenic sustance are are the begining, and is taper off at the end with different subtances all-together. Reception saturation is minimize, and all the side effect are considerably reduce. This type of cycle falls in the category for QUALITY MASS (the one you keep)
 
Loths, hey, isn't that RADAR's avi??!! Copycat!!

kethnaab, I prefer shorter cycles because I find I get great results after just 5 weeks or so, even with long esters, and by the 6th to 7th week I have met my goals already (though yes, I may front load with some shorter esters too). My goals are purely aesthetic. I want to look lean and hard and muscular - my goal is not to get as big as possible, which might be different from a lot of the guys here.

By week 8 I have significantly passed my goal, so I call it done and start my PCT, and 2 months later I will have kept about 50-60% of my original gains, putting me right at my goal.

I also find that past 7 weeks, the side effects start to outweigh the gains for me, and further gains come slowly. So I like to stop right at the sweet spot just past where gains stopped coming easily and wrap it up. Additionally, with short cycles, I am not very shut down so the PCT is very easy and I keep a lot of my gains.

My last reason for short cycles is I do time off = time on. So my time off can be shorter and I can start the next cycle that much sooner.

Short cycles work well for my goals. I liek to use the least amount of gear for the shortest time that gets the job done.
 
djsf, thanks for the insight.

you guys who posted about primo only....has anyone actually done a primo-only cycle? if so, what did it look like, and what were your results? I'll assume sides were negligible and PCT was rather brief and successful?
 
kethnaab said:
DJSF, you mention shorter cycles. Are you talking about NPP and test prop when you say "Test 600 + deca 500"

Just curious because if you mean the typical nandrolone decanoate and test enanth/cyp, I've always read they take awhile to get into the system, and as a result, you need to do longer cycles.

Thanks for your response, just soliciting opinions. :)

lvtitan, out of curiosity, why not test?
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because for me , now at least, test equals more sides than gains. all it does is give me acne, a bad attitude, and bloat.. the gains i get from deca are way more solid, and i dont get the sides. if i ever use test again, it will be a maint dose like 125mg/week, IF i use it again...
so far my deca/eq stacks treat me well.. :)
 
kethnaab said:
djsf, thanks for the insight.

you guys who posted about primo only....has anyone actually done a primo-only cycle? if so, what did it look like, and what were your results? I'll assume sides were negligible and PCT was rather brief and successful?
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primo only is a great cycle depending on your goals.. not a giant mass builder, but great for putting on quality lean mass and body transformation.
i ran it at 400mg and was very impressed.
i know my nigga satchel likes his primo :)
 
djsf said:
Loths, hey, isn't that RADAR's avi??!! Copycat!!
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Is that Radar's Avatar? Man... That's a cool one. I am a copy cat:), but not from this forum, I got it from anothe forum, one from Technology... Oh well, I will have to hunt (copy) for another avatar:):)

Best cycles are the best. Is best to focus on mucle you keep. I have found that using the highly androgenic substante at the very begining ans for a short time work well. Trying to keep shifting substance every 2 weeks, and keep the dosage low. DOnt want that water retention, extra red cells, and the like.

I also have found that taking long time off work good. Taking about 4 to 8 months do wonders.. especially on experience athletes.
:artist:
 
I was scared to death by all the sidestories. Started with the soft cycle....further on when i tried test, dbol, tren and more and i was suprised so little sides i felt.

Therefore if i could do it all over i would go for the standard:

1-8 500 mg test ew
1-8 400 mg deca ew
+arimedex ed to hinder bloat

nolva pct

By that i would have started adding a great deal of mass to my frame and having alot to "work with".....That would have put me in the +100 kilo league immediately instead of doing 3 cycles and supressing my system for a longer time. For shure. Also i feel that my immunesystem had been better off with one mass cycle. After the 3 cycles i did i was sick to much and lost lbm in the end...
 
First cycle was 500 mg test Mon/Thurs. D-bol 40 mg/ed 4 weeks. Wouldn't change a thing if I had to do it all over again. 179 lb's to 223lb's 2% Bf increase. It was money.
 
Deca/Test for me as well. Now that I am more educated as far as AS go, and understand a great deal more about diet, I have made some really really good gains this time around when compared to my first cycle.

Im currently on 520Test/500Deca per week, and I must say so far I am lovin it. Its the first time I've tried this stack. :chomp: :chomp: :chomp:
 
my first cycle was 8 wks of var, if i could do it again i would add prop to it. and proper pct of course. ;)
 
kethnaab said:
how would it look?

Remember, I'm not asking what you would tell some OTHER bro, who is new to the game.

I'm saying what if God said "Bro, you get to go back in time and do your first cycle all over again"
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I think I would have waited 5 years and been more disciplined with pct. Other than that 500mg a week test e
 
wtf is up with this thread. I posted this a long time ago. why is it saying I was the last to post at 1:34pm. I wasn't even home. Earlier it was the same thing, said I posted last at 11:04am. I wasn't home then either.

BOOGS
 
first cycle over Id just do 250 mg deca a week for 8 weeks. thats it. I beleive for a complete noob thats all you need to do great if all the other pieces are there
 
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