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I need HELP!!!

M.O.D

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last oct i was hit by a truck while riding my mountain bike, i had quite a few injuries but what i'm dealing is sucking the life out of me....last november one month after my accident i had a 4MM protrusion in my L5 s1 ( going off memory i dont have the report in front of me)...i just had another MRI yesterday and now its at 7MM...its pressing on my siatic nerve 24/7....the pain starts in my left glute and shoots down my like like a fucking blow torch...i've been going for treatments 4 days a week and nothing is helping..i've had an epidural block, medriol dose pack and nothing helps...i'm lucky to get 2 hours sleep a night...the pain never lets up...so now after getting the latest result it looks likes surgery is my only option..

has anyone had this problem or now of anything i can try before i go under the knife?...i'm trying at all costs to avoid having surgery..


any help or ideas would be appreciated
 
Sorry bro but it sounds like surgery is your only option at this point. Have you sought a second opinion?
 
I know a powerlifter that was in the same boat and had to have L5 and S1 fused,. He is back at it and he is fine and it has been three years now. Maybe you should just get it over with. Hope it works out bro.

Peace, Quad
 
Just curious bro, what is holding you back from the surgery? If nothing else has been working and the surgery would, in the end, alleviate the pain you are suffering - it may be the best thing... For pains sake at least. I'm not sure how recovery would be after the surgery, but it's got to be better than the pain that you are describing... I wish there was someting I could do for you bro :bawling: :(

YUM
 
BRO I KNOW IT SUCKS BUT I THINK SURGERY IS YOUR ONLY OPTION,YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING,I'M GUESSIN IF IT HAS GOTTEN WORSE,SINCE THE ACCIDENT NOTHING WILL HELP AT THIS POINT.I DEALT WITH A SHOULDER INJURY FOR 18MONTHS BEFORE I HAD SURGERY NOW I'M AS GOOD AS NEW,I KNOW THERE IS NO REAL COMPARISION BETWEEN SHOULDER AND BACK ,BUT I DID HAVE INCREDABLE PAIN THAT KEPT ME UP ALMOST EVERY NIGHT.I KNOW SURGERY IS NOT WHAT YOU WANT BUT IT MAY BE THE WAY TO GO.
BIGMOFO
 
Damn!!! I hate to hear that!!! MOD you will be in our thoughts & prayers.==== RADAR
 
I'm really sorry to hear that MOD..I dont know much about what you are dealing with but you are in my prayer my friend.
 
Good luck young man. Make sure you get all the gory details, all the options, and then get ANOTHER OPINION.

Have you tried one of those exotic Asian "massage therapists" yet? You know the ones -- they get you all worked up with anticipation for something that involves them being VERY flexible and scantily clad, and then when you least expect it, HIIIYA! They fix all your problems?

Well, its a thought.

Take care and will be thinking of ya!
Sassy
 
Sassy69 said:
Good luck young man. Make sure you get all the gory details, all the options, and then get ANOTHER OPINION.

Have you tried one of those exotic Asian "massage therapists" yet? You know the ones -- they get you all worked up with anticipation for something that involves them being VERY flexible and scantily clad, and then when you least expect it, HIIIYA! They fix all your problems?

Well, its a thought.

Take care and will be thinking of ya!
Sassy

you offering:p
 
Damn, bro. I was hoping you were getting better. I have just started mtnbiking lately and I think of you before I put myself in an unsafe position.

My prayers are with you bro.

Good Luck
Nautica
 
MOD...........I just had back surgery (L-5) a month ago......PM me if ya want bro, i'll ALWAYS be there to help out a bro!!!!!!

Jersey Freak
 
Jersey Freak said:
MOD...........I just had back surgery (L-5) a month ago......PM me if ya want bro, i'll ALWAYS be there to help out a bro!!!!!!

Jersey Freak

thanks everyone and hey jersey i will email you over the weekend i have a few questions for you
 
M.O.D. I know this may sound wierd but i would start praying and we will pray for you also you would be suprised what GOD can do when you ask him... this is a serious injury and sometimes GOD is looking for us to lean him for help... anyway dont mean to preach this is not the place but i promise you this i will pray for you because i know the power we have in prayer...:D :D :D
 
well my iron brothers and sisters i'm going to roll the dice and say fuck getting surgery...at this point it cant get much worse so i'm going to try one last thing and try to rehab this on my own which will be the following.

4 units of gh daily
400 mgs delatestryl per week
400 mgs deca per week
30mg anavar ED

some chiropractic treatments

deep tissue massage

massage with a happy ending:D
 
M.O.D said:
well my iron brothers and sisters i'm going to roll the dice and say fuck getting surgery...at this point it cant get much worse so i'm going to try one last thing and try to rehab this on my own which will be the following.

4 units of gh daily
400 mgs delatestryl per week
400 mgs deca per week
30mg anavar ED

some chiropractic treatments

deep tissue massage

.....

I hope it works out for you bro, keep us updated...

massage with a happy ending:D
;) lol

YUM
 
M.O.D.

I have read lots of good things about deep tissue therapy. I would have to say that if things do not improve withing 2 months that you get the surgery. Remember too that the Dr.'s cannot guarentee surgery results, so dont let that scare you. I would like to say I believe you should get the surgery, if you have been through all the other stuff I think its your only real cure.

godspeed
##spiderbaby##
 
Yeah, I think that if I was experiencing what you are, I would welcome surgery. You are a tougher man than I. One week of two hours of sleep and I would cry my ass into the hospital and make them cut it out.
 
Bar Room Hero said:
Yeah, I think that if I was experiencing what you are, I would welcome surgery. You are a tougher man than I. One week of two hours of sleep and I would cry my ass into the hospital and make them cut it out.

hey dont read me the wrong way i'm a big pussy when it comes to going under the knife.
 
M.O.D said:
well my iron brothers and sisters i'm going to roll the dice and say fuck getting surgery...at this point it cant get much worse so i'm going to try one last thing and try to rehab this on my own which will be the following.

4 units of gh daily
400 mgs delatestryl per week
400 mgs deca per week
30mg anavar ED

some chiropractic treatments

deep tissue massage

When you say "deep tissue massage I assume you're referring to ART therapy correct? If not, I'd look into that. It may or may not apply in your situation but I know it's saved a ton of bros on this board from having surgery. www.activerelease.com for the nearest dr in your area.


massage with a happy ending:D

mmmmmmm happy ending. :p :p
 
mvmaxx said:


When you say "deep tissue massage I assume you're referring to ART therapy correct? If not, I'd look into that. It may or may not apply in your situation but I know it's saved a ton of bros on this board from having surgery. www.activerelease.com for the nearest dr in your area.



mmmmmmm happy ending. :p :p

what a great board this is....thanks a million mvmaxx, i already put a call in to one of the docs on the link you were so kind to post for me..
 
See if you can find a chiopractor/accupuncturist. I have a friend with a similar condition to yours and the chiopractor/accupuncturists worked wonders for him. His doctor told him that surgery was the only option, but this unorthodox treatment gave him the pain relief he needed. Good luck to you bro.
 
M.O.D said:
well my iron brothers and sisters i'm going to roll the dice and say fuck getting surgery...at this point it cant get much worse so i'm going to try one last thing and try to rehab this on my own which will be the following.

4 units of gh daily
400 mgs delatestryl per week
400 mgs deca per week
30mg anavar ED

some chiropractic treatments

deep tissue massage

massage with a happy ending:D

MOD I think you got the ticket, but I think I would up the GH to 9 or 10 if you got the money. You are going out on a limb here, mid as well go all the way.

Good luck
nautica
 
nautica said:


MOD I think you got the ticket, but I think I would up the GH to 9 or 10 if you got the money. You are going out on a limb here, mid as well go all the way.

Good luck
nautica
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funny you say that i was just thinking the same thing today...i'm also going to see a doctor from the link mvmaxx posted for me..

this is a copy of what he does...Level 3 Provider certified in the Upper Extremity, Spine, and the Lower Extremity, and also special studies in Ironman Triathlon and biomechanics.

He is an Official Chiropractor, and ART Provider for the Ironman Triathlon, Saturn Cycling Team, Carlson Gracie Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Team, 42nd L.A. Invitational Indoor Track & Field Meet.


thanks again maxx if this guy is the answer i'm going to have to send you a gift of some kind:D
 
M.O.D said:
thanks again maxx

no problem! You've helped out so many people on this board I'm just glad I may have been able to return the favor.

if this guy is the answer i'm going to have to send you a gift of some kind:D

I wouldn't complain! ;)

BTW, like I said I don't know if ART will apply for your situation but the first consultation is free and I'm glad to see you already called. My workout partner is Mr Skeptical himself when it comes to any of this kind of hocus pocus stuff and his shoulder went from extreme pain and tightness and only being able to bench down to a 90 degree angle, to comfort and full range of motion. His bench has gone about about 100lbs in the past 2 months and he only went to the doc 4x.

Best thing is your insurance should cover it. Even if they don't, my friend has Kaiser and they didn't, the cost was only $50/visit. Small price to pay to get healed.

Best of luck and let us know how it goes.

;)
 
M.O.D said:


has anyone had this problem or now of anything i can try before i go under the knife?...i'm trying at all costs to avoid having surgery..


any help or ideas would be appreciated

There are times when the knife is the most healthy option
 
MOD, we have a fellowship trained spine surgeon in our orthopaedic group that I work for. Let me know if I can be of any help with your questions.
 
M.O.D said:


i've been trying that 3-4 days a week for two months straight now and zero help

I am a big advocate of chiropractic but I doubt it would help you by either correcting the problem or even giving much in the way of temporary relief from pain. Go to an excellent neurosurgeon and not an orthopod for certain.
 
Hey MOD, just another thought. If you want to avoid major surgery you could technically have a percutaneous discectomy. Now how good the results you get all depend on how good your surgeon is. We actually have patients wake up and walk out of the hospital feeling better three hours after surgery than they did in the past 4 years. I am actually considering having this done for a L4-5, and L5-S1 herniated that I have. Recovery is still a couple of weeks, but nothing like going under the knife.
 
As told to Powerlifting USA
by Louie Simmons



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Many lifers train with a bad back. They often ask me what to do to decrease their chances of getting hurt while squatting or deadlifting.
I fractured my fifth lumbar ver­tebra twice. In 1973, I pulled a 670 deadlift at 181. Shortly thereafter, I broke the vertebra while doing bent over good mornings. In 1983, I broke it again falling off my ice-covered porch. This time the doctor said he wanted to remove two disks, fuse my back, and take off a bone spur. I declined.
Having successfully came back from both injuries, I have discovered many ways to work
around a bad back or prevent our lifters from getting one.
Back in 1973, my knowl­edge was limited. During 1974 I was on crutches on and off for 10 months. One of my most important discoveries was chi­ropractors. Because of my inactivity, my spinal alignment was terrible. I had misgivings about going to a chiropractor, but my doctor wanted me to go in for traction for a couple weeks. I hate hospitals, so finally I broke down and went to a chiroprac­tor. To my surprise, my back was much better after a few adjustments, and I was able to start training again, but my prob­lem came back, and my back still hurt all the time.
­In 1975, my back was still fragile. That’s when I started doing reverse hyper-extensions.
Through the motion of rotating the sacrum in a safe way and the blood-pumping action, my back was quickly rehabilitated to the point that I pulled 710 in 1977 at 198. We picked up a lot of exercises as the years passed, and after break­ing my fifth lumbar vertebra again in 1983, my rehabilitation was much faster. This time I used acupressure and acupuncture to speed up the
healing. I also received oxygen in­jections directly into the muscle, which helped greatly.
Aside from progressive medical help, we have found an array of back and ab exercises that have all but eliminated our low back ali­ments.

BACK EXERCISES
Good mornings done while seated on the floor are effective. Sit on the floor with an empty bar across the shoulders. Now bend forward as far as possible. Breathe normally. In other words, relax! Don’t arch the back to return to the starting position, but rather push with the heels. Your flexibility will increase rapidly.
Training the deadlift in the sumo style will eliminate a great deal of back trauma. Mariah
Liggett would train sumo and pull conventional at meets. She pulled 484 at 132.
Reverse hypers are the best exercise for lower back problems I have ever seen. People with bulging or herniated disks can do them without pain. They rotate the sacrum in a very safe way with virtu­ally no compression on the lower spine. At the same time, they build the glutes and hamstrings.
Dragging weights has a positive effect on the lower back. One of the most effective lower back therapies is walking. It is the most natural way to rehabilitate a bad back.
HAMSTRING EXERCISES
Whenever you have a tight lower back, you will also have tight ham­strings. A weak back is almost al­ways accompanied by weak hamstrings.
A calf/ham/glute machine will bring up your hamstrings considerably. Laura Dodd was tested at the Ohio State University Kineisiology Laboratory and was found to have a hamstring to quad ratio of 60:40 This could explain her 567 squat at 165.
A highly advanced exercise is the glute/ham raise. While kneeling on a padded bench, with your feet hanging off the end of the bench, have a partner sit on your ankles to hold you down. Lower yourself slowly without bending at the waist until your chest touches the bench. Now leg curl yourself back up. Let me recommend two ways to work up to a full rep. The first is to lower yourself slowly and hold for 3-6 seconds at vari­ous of this move­ment. This is very taxing on the hamstrings and glutes. It builds the top and mid portion of the exercise. You can lower all the way down until your chest comes in contact with the bench, then use your hands to assist in the raise until your hamstrings and glutes can curl you up the rest of the way.
The second method is to now lower yourself down to elastic bands located midway between the top and bottom positions. This will help re­duce your be bodyweight while you are lowering yourself, and it will help spring you back up to a kneeling position. As you get stronger, use fewer or weaker bands until you can complete a rep unassisted.
Doing the following special dead lift will build tremendous hamstrings. Use a shoulder width stance with a wider than shoulder width grip. With your back arched, push your glutes to the rear and squat down. Never bow the back. Lower the bar just below the knees and pull it up with the legs only. Do 2 sets of 20 reps 4 times a week for a couple of weeks. Use weights that are 30-40% of your max deadlift.
A great exercise for hamstrings is the pull-through. Face away from a low-pulley machine. Grab a single handle between the legs. Walk out a few feet and squat down, letting the handle be pulled through the legs as far as possible Use the repetition method. That is, go to failure on each set 3 or 4 sets is plenty. This exercise will build the hamstrings where they tie into the glutes.
ABDOMINAL EXERCISES
Ab Strength is extremely important in preventing back injury. Leg raises done while hanging from a chin-up bar are effective. Raise the feet until you touch the bar you are hanging from. These are great for strength and flexibility.
Do sit-ups while holding a ball or cushion between the thighs. This will realign the lower back. It also helps decrease the pressure on the back by increasing abdominal pressure.
Learn to use your abs correctly while wearing a lifting belt. You must push out against the belt. It is very important to push out to the sides, or exert outwardly with the obliques. This will start the action of straightening out the legs.
We do a great deal of ab work standing up, and why not? When you fight, wrestle, play ball. And of course lift weights, you are stand­ing up, not sitting.
Try this standing ab exercise: Stand facing away from a lat machine. Grab a triceps rope and hold it behind your head. Hold the ends of the rope against your chest. Now bend forward until your chest is close to your abs. Use light weights for high reps or for a certain length of time. We will start our workout by doing 3-5 minutes of this exercise to warm up our abs and lower back. By adding weight, you will quickly see how weak your abs are. Just compare the weight on the machine to your bodyweight and it will open your eyes.
Attach a strong strap from your power rack to the front of your belt and lean back until there is no slack in the strap. Now slide your feet forward until you are leaning back­ward. This will place your abs in a pre-stretched position. Crunch your abs while holding a medicine ball or cable device behind your head. This will work the abs very effectively. Hook the strap on the belt to do oblique work As a bonus, hook the strap to the rear of the belt, and with your body inclined forward, perform deadlifts with a barbell or dumbbells; this is great for lower back, hamstrings, and glutes.
This is just a partial list of exer­cises that will help fix a bad back or, more importantly, prevent one.
Doing special exercises like the ones listed above has kept our lifters healthy at Westside and greatly con­tributed to my totaling USPF Elite for a span of over 24 years even after breaking my fifth lumbar vertebra in 1973 and 1983 and suffer­ing a complete rupture of the patella tendon in 1991. Like me, there may still be hope for anyone who tries."
 
M.O.D.
I know this post is old, but I fell obligated to lend whatever help I can since you have given me such great advice in the past. I know many fellow athletes who have had back sugery, and some who have had back and hip surgey, and all of them have been able to make a complete recovery because they adhered to their rehab schedules like fucking champs. Most rehab scheduels are designed for 70 year old women, but an athlete can recover from a surgery much quicker than the avergae joe. I know that you are around 40, but I also know that you are in great shape and are most likely much tougher than the average surgical recovery patient. Apply your BB dedication to your recovery and your surgical procedure will seem like an elongated workout. It's easy to recover from injuries as long as you are disciplined. Obvioulsly you are...apply it to your rehab, and you back will be better than your days as a pussy hunting 20 year old in less than six months.
 
Bro, in '84 I had surgery to remove a disc between L4 and L5. There was no fusion, just the disc removal. I was in pain exactly like you describe but I was scared to death of getting cut. I finally had no choice and had the surgery and it was the best thing I could have done. The rehab was long but well worth it. After the surgery I had absolutely no back, or sciatica pain at all. A few pointers though...first, take the time to find the absolute best docs you can possibly find and next, get a real good rehab. Take your time, do everything they tell you and you'll come out of it 100%. All the best to you!
 
40butpumpin said:
Bro, in '84 I had surgery to remove a disc between L4 and L5. There was no fusion, just the disc removal. I was in pain exactly like you describe but I was scared to death of getting cut. I finally had no choice and had the surgery and it was the best thing I could have done. The rehab was long but well worth it. After the surgery I had absolutely no back, or sciatica pain at all. A few pointers though...first, take the time to find the absolute best docs you can possibly find and next, get a real good rehab. Take your time, do everything they tell you and you'll come out of it 100%. All the best to you!

how long before you were back in the gym and how long before you were at 100%
 
i got hit by a truck in montana 2 years back. i was going down the road, racing my friend who was by my side, we were going about 34-36 mph when i got hit. there was also a third guy, and he was back some 20 yards from us. apparently, some asshole in a faded blue utility truck (early 80's Ford F100 type) passed the my friend 20 yards back, and honked. the guy was pissed or something that we were in the road. so what does he do? he comes up along my side, and before i can react, he swerves into me, and down i go. i tumbled, and got some seriously bad road rash, but i didn't break anything (don't know how it happened). anyway, the guy never stopped. no one bothered to catch his license plate number cause they all wanted to see if i was ok. called 911. they got to the seen 5 min later. a detective set out to find the guy, but nothing ever turned up. so, if you're in bozeman montana, and happen to see a that truck (you know, with the tool boxes where the box should be), fucking tell me. cause there can't be more than one of them out there. i never saw it the rest of that summer whiile i was there. but i never did see another truck matching that description.
 
Here's a long answer to you short question, sorry... :)

To be honest, I don't think I felt completely 100% until aproximately a year after. But also being be honest, a lot of that may just have been all in my head. But I didn't feel any pressure to get back to working out at the time. Perhaps that's because I was only 23 and felt good enough physically that I didn't need to. Now that I'm 41, I might feel that pressure, as you do. But I do know that a year after, I truly was 100%. I had absolutely no problems with my back whatsoever wrt pain and felt I could lift anything in any way that I did before. It was a great feeling. Your rehab, via physical therapy is everything, however. Take it slow, and do that right and you're golden. But as far as pumping serious iron, I wouldn't touch a weight until the PT doc gave their go-aheads, for me that was aproximately a year.

A few other things: I had a discectomy, which is simply removing the floating pieces of free disc. This can also be done with something called micorsurgery which I didn't have, but is the absolute best and results in the smallest rehab time. Also, I know they used to fuse vertabrae (sp?) after disc removal but I don't think that's done much anymore. But nonetheless I would steer away from that if you could.

But after having gone through it all, I really don't think people should be as afraid as they generally are. That surgery is so routine today. But just remember to go through all of the PT, that's most definitely the key.

If you like, email me before the surgery if you decide to do it, I think I could help you out some. I think I could also help you out with your rehab with some pointers, just give me a shout if you're interested.
 
hey gang i've decided to get surgery maybe this week, i will know for sure tomorrow on the date but i know i have no choice now..i will be getting a Microdiscectomy if any of you are familiar with this......so wish me luck gals and guys .


best to all
 
Hey MOD, I assist on micro discs all the time with one of our ortho docs. Shoot me an email if you got any questions, or if I can be of any help to you.
 
Latamier said:
Hey MOD, I assist on micro discs all the time with one of our ortho docs. Shoot me an email if you got any questions, or if I can be of any help to you.

i meet the surgeon on thursday, so i'm hoping to get this done by next week. the 24 hr pain is getting to me, i can see how people in chronic pain comment suicide.

thanks guys i will let you know whats up...i also decided to stay on the gh and 100mg of test a week ...:(
 
hey gang,

i go in for back surgery next thursday ...my disc did rupture and now is floating on my siatic nerve so he will go in and remove that and some other shit that i would rather not know about ...he said i wont see the inside of a gym for at least 6 weeks and then that is only walking on the treadmill...wish me luck but if i die on the table i will leave all my gear to guys:bawling:
 
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M.O.D said:
...wish me luck but if i die on the table i will leave all my gear to guys:bawling:

I'm PMing you my address right now. ;)

j/k bro, you'll be fine. It'll all be worth it 2 months from now when you feel a ton better day to day.

Best of luck!
 
hey guys i'm in fucking bad shape, i'm suppose to have back surgery thursday but i dont think i can wait that long...the pain is so bad i feel like shooting myself...my disc did rupture and now is pressing right on the siatic nerve.....the doc just wrote me some oxycontin...so after rambling here my question is....any of you guys know about this drug?

also i have a feeling i will be admited to the hospital by this evening.
 
M.O.D said:
hey guys i'm in fucking bad shape, i'm suppose to have back surgery thursday but i dont think i can wait that long...the pain is so bad i feel like shooting myself...my disc did rupture and now is pressing right on the siatic nerve.....the doc just wrote me some oxycontin...so after rambling here my question is....any of you guys know about this drug?

also i have a feeling i will be admited to the hospital by this evening.

oh man, things sound horrible!!!

I'm far from a doctor but it really sounds like you should just go to the hospital....remember how people laugh at others on this board for not going to the ER for a possible abscess?....This sounds 100x more serious.....If I had a friend in that much pain I'd definitely make them go.

The only thing I know about that drug is that it supposedly works wonderful for those that really need it.

Good luck and I seriously hope things go better for you.

EngiCream
 
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