I call Bulls**t

[madmitch]

Hmmm I don't like bursting anyones bubble but sometimes when I see some blatant self-glorification I just have to air my views.

I'm refering to Wilson6's post on the Bodybuilder HE prepared for contest.

He said in the first post that she took no ephedrine, caffiene, T3, DNP, GH or Clen. but on further questioning he admitted that he has no idea what she takes, that he takes no part in the make-up of her cycle, there are other people to help her with that.

So how the hell does he know what she has used???????

MS I love bring you into arguments and when you said the old bodybuilding is 80% diet and training and 20% everything else I just had to.

Do you think if you took 100 men, or even 100,000 men for that matter and fed them the same diet as Dorian Yates and Trained them the same way he Trains, that without steroids these guys could still reach national level and look anything near what he looks like??????

Not a hope in Blue Hell.

So how can you make a statement saying that only 20 % of their success is down to drugs?

Without drugs, none of them, men or women would be in the positions they are in today.

Sorry if I bust anyones bubble

 

[BrickGirl]

well, I agree, I don't think diet is 80%, I think it is more around 90% of building your body, and if someone is trying to compensate for their diet through pumping massive amounts of roids through there bodies, then they will be surely disappointed. Of course, to look like "dorian" you need the massive roids WITH the diet, Diet is most everything, and anyone who doesnt think it is has never done it. And I think Wilson6 is just protecting his "client" im sure he knows exactly what she is taking when she is taking it and how much she is taking, so by him saying she is not taking thermo's then I am sure she is not. Wilson6 has a reputation around here and I stand by him.

 

[NY Muscle]

Without drugs, none of them, men or women would be in the positions they are in today.

Sorry if I bust anyones bubble

you have a point...but i can show you 2 guys..one who takes 1000mg a week of test and one who takes 1500mg a week and the guy doing 1000mg a week is huge and looks good, great diet and trains hard thats because the one doing 1500mg is a punk bitch who NEEDS drugs, and works out like a fairy and eats liek 2 times a day.

but you do have a point...take 10 NATURAL hardcore bodybuilders who train balls to the wall all year round...and take 10 other ones who train the same but are on tons of juice...

the natural guys avg weight is 220 and look real good, the drugged guys avg weight is 280 and look pretty good as well..

so YES you are right, it is the drugs and ONLY the drugs at that level. but no one will admit it, its called denial.