i am new to bodybuilding please help

[Mindwraith]

Then you're not gaining anywhere near what you could be.

And please definte "potentially harmful" amount of protein. What is this amount, and why is it harmful? I hope you're not talking about kidney problems, as this unsubstantiated myth has been disproven long ago.

I was refering to many problems including kidney disfunction. If it was disproven I fail to see where this is mentioned anywhere in all the studies I've read. Also, any protein not used is stored as fat, I'd rather not have that extra fat to lose when I'm cutting. My muscles have gained quite a bit of muscle size lately btw, I'm not trying to personally gain that much though, I'm not competing. I'm going for the 8-9% body fat, 5'10 190 lbs of lean muscle look. If you're 220+ lbs and still trying to gain I can see where 400g might come into play eventually.

 

[BOOTSY2002]

right ok then

it looks like there should a poll of somesort,
>who thinks that to much protein causes problems etc,
firstly lets get some more views on this first because there are many different concepts and people are not all agreeing with each other at the moment.

get some more paople to post their views on this post and lets take it from there

 

[Debaser]

People (morons) thought that excess protein caused kidney disfunction, because:

Those with impaired kidneys had trouble with high protein.

That's it. And it's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard, and not logical whatsoever. That's like saying that having being a quadrapeligic makes it difficult to be a weightlifter, but being a weightlifter causes you to be a quadrapeligic.

As for all the excess protein being converted into glucose, though this may be true biochemically, I've had extremely good success losing fat with high-protein (1.5-2x BW in lbs) diets, while retaining muscle.

Until you've tried huge dosing of protein, you're not realizing your true potential. And of course, you probably never will, because you're so convinced otherwise. All the pros probably get their bw in protein, and eat 3500 cals a day, right?

Haha, I don't want to look like a pro, but many eat 2-3X their BW in protein a day, with 6-10000 calories. When I'm bulking, I eat 4000-6000 calories a day depending on how much I pig out. And I try to get at least 400 g of protein in a day. I'm also, whaddya know, gaining a lot of muscle, and naturally.

 

[Mindwraith]

How are you getting 400g of protein? Are there shakes you're drinking or are you measuring the meat you eat? Whats your diet like?

 

[gonelifting]

BOOTSY2002 Welcome, You say you`re training 3x week, What are you doing? Every other day and 1 bodypart per week? If so, that`s good. Try to keep the exercises basic and do compound movements for "relatively" low reps.
Look on the diet board for a good diet. Don`t get overwhelmed with diet now. Your a beginner so have fun now and when you get serious you can fine tune your diet.(just get some basics for now) as well as your training.
Also a good routine would be the 5x5 traing. (do a search) that is basic movements that will allow you to gain strength and size. good luck REMEMBER DON`T GET HURT. PERFORM MOVEMENTS PROPERLY.

 

[TheOak84]

How are you getting 400g of protein? Are there shakes you're drinking or are you measuring the meat you eat? Whats your diet like?

400g? thats a bit much.... your body can only digest about 25-30g at a time... I believe Dorian Yates when he said,'1g of protien per pound of MUSCLE, not body weight.' unless your Greg kocavs, you dont need 400g of protien.. at least, i dont think so..

 

[Debaser]

400g? thats a bit much.... your body can only digest about 25-30g at a time... I believe Dorian Yates when he said,'1g of protien per pound of MUSCLE, not body weight.' unless your Greg kocavs, you dont need 400g of protien.. at least, i dont think so..

From Bryan Haycock:

Myth #2: You can only assimilate 30 grams of protein at one sitting.

Fact: The body has the ability to digest and assimilate much more than 30 grams of protein from a single meal.

Speaking of high intakes of protein, people have been perpetuating the myth that you can only assimilate ~30 grams of protein at a time, making protein meals any greater than a 6 oz. chicken breast a waste. This is anything but true. For example, the digestibility of meat (i.e. beef, poultry, pork and fish) is about 97% efficient. If you eat 25 grams of beef, you will absorb into the blood stream 97% of the protein in that piece of meat. If, on the other hand, you eat a 10 oz steak containing about 60 grams of protein, you will again digest and absorb 97% of the protein. If you could only assimilate 30 grams of protein at a time, why would researchers be using in excess of 40 grams of protein to stimulate muscle growth?1

Critics of high protein intakes may try to point out that increased protein intake only leads to increased protein oxidation. This is true, nevertheless, some researchers speculate that this increase in protein oxidation following high protein intakes may initiate something they call the "anabolic drive".13 The anabolic drive is characterized by hyperaminoacidemia, an increase in both protein synthesis and breakdown with an overall positive nitrogen balance. In animals, there is a correspondent increase in anabolic hormones such as IGF-1 and GH. Though this response is difficult to identify in humans, an increase in lean tissue accretion does occur with exaggerated protein intakes.14,15

The take home message is that, if you are going to maximize muscle growth you have to minimize muscle loss, and maximize protein synthesis. Research clearly shows this is accomplished with heavy training, adequate calories, and very importantly high protein consumption. This means that meals containing more than 30 grams of protein will be the norm. Not to worry, all that protein will certainly be used effectively by the body.

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You think Dorian Yates only had 1 g per pound of muscle? He was eating probably over 8000 calories a day. I guarantee you he was getting huge amounts of protein.

Show me a 250+ lb pro bodybuilder on 4+ grams of gear a week that does less than his bw in protein. I doubt there are any out there, certainly not Yates.

 

[Mindwraith]

But how are you getting 400g of protein per day, are you eating 7 10oz steaks a day? Are any shakes and protein bars involved?

 

[Citruscide]

Thats an obscene, unnecessary and potentially harmful amount of protein IMO. But to each his own I guess, your genetics could be an exception who knows. At most I take in 160g when I'm growing and not cutting fat.

The reason many bodybuilders use large amounts of protein is two-fold.

The first reason I eat around 350g of protein at 240lbs is because I don't notice much muscle growth ifI do not eat that much protein. The muscles require the amino acids in proteins to GROW... the more the merrier... and if your water consumption is higher, it has been shown that nitrogen levels in the body are actually more stable on a HIGHER protein diet than on a lower one.

The second reason is that if you are only eating 1.4g of protein per KG of body weight, it is hard to eat the necessiary amount of calories and eat cleanly... almost by default, protein assimilates into fat at a much slower rate than carbohydrates and fats.

The RDA does not take into consideration bodybuilders in their equations and studies. Also, they do not mention that the muscle growth that does occur may be attributed to people who are just starting working out, where an amount of muscle growth will occur just because of the new shock to the body... but any long term growth will be stunted by lack of protein to build.

Another problem with the RDA... is they suggest 10-12% of your diet be protein... but at that rate, you'd have to eat an amazingly high amount of carbohydrates and fats to get your caloric intake high enough above your BMR to grow... with that Macronutrient intake... it is almost impossible to add lean muscle without also adding fat.

C-ditty

 

[2Shy]

Hi, Bootsy! Why don't you post your weekly workout, including number of sets and reps, rest, etc.? Protien aside what do you generally eat a day? What kind of foods?