HRT for women?

[Smokescreen]

So many HRT clinics offer testosterone for men. As well as primary physicians and endocrinologists. But again...they offer it to men.

Does HRT/TRT exist for women?

I'm asking because my wife is a little bit low on testosterone. And all the docs she goes to see don't do jackshit for her! They say her test is low and they leave it as is! They don't give her any test! In fact a couple of docs just give her birth control pills! More estrogen?! WTF!!?? Why more estrogen?!

 

[RADAR]

Yes they offer HRT for women , its called Bio-identical Hormone Therapy i'll get into this more soon ,i have to leave for a few hrs.

 

[XMAN.]

Yes they offer HRT for women , its called Bio-identical Hormone Therapy i'll get into this more soon ,i have to leave for a few hrs.

i'm interested too , i know that post menoposal women supplement estro. and prog. (usually patches) , is test a must too???

 

[goin on 4T]

Woman have had this for years. My wife-to-be's mother has been on it for 30+ years. Damn she is hot for 62yo.

 

[Smokescreen]

i'm interested too , i know that post menoposal women supplement estro. and prog. (usually patches) , is test a must too???

Test is always a must.

 

[Smokescreen]

Please guys. Please do what you can to find out more info. Not only for my wife. But for me as well! I'm suffering her ill effects as well you know. And you "guys" know exactly what I mean. Correct?

 

[goin on 4T]

be carefull giving your wife test. Has she had a blood panel? Woman are so much different that men adding test to her will make her less different, if you know what mean.

 

[Smokescreen]

be carefull giving your wife test. Has she had a blood panel? Woman are so much different that men adding test to her will make her less different, if you know what mean.

I know what you mean. And no, I'm not giving her anything at all. I swear on my life I'm not!

 

[XMAN.]

RADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR plz come back and answer this

 

[RADAR]

Women suffering from early menopause symptoms looking to put an end to hot flashes, night sweats, memory loss, mood swings, weight gain, and low libido are turning to Bio-idenical hormone Theraphy to replace natural hormones. specifically for women suffering from early menopause symptoms, menopause, perimenopause, and severe PMS.

Men experiencing the male menopause who want to get a grip on weight gain, lost libido, fatigue, stress, energy, muscle mass, and body fat are also finding solutions through Bi-identical Hormone therapy. For men, andropause (the male menopause) happens gradually and when diagnosed, the symptoms are successfully treated using bioidentical hormones.
This preventive medical approach helps put an end to the suffering caused by stress induced adrenal fatigue, signs of early menopause, menopause, perimenopause and andropause (the male menopause).
those who suspect that they have this should consult a dr precifically for this field ,a full panel of bloodwork will determine what should be done.


There is much more such as lifestyle change,nutrition Ect.all of this plays a role in each individual.

 

[Smokescreen]

Thank you for that Radar. K to you brother.

''You must spread some Karma around (ie give karma to other members too) before giving it to RADAR again''

Oh well! I tried.

Radar, what kind of doc does she go to? WHERE does she go to for help? Her stupid and ignorant endocrinologist doesn't do shit for her! He looks at the blood work and regardless of whats on there, he won't help her. Either says that everything looks fine when in reality its not! And she says that she doesn't feel fine. Or the jerk just flats out says he doesn't know what to do.

Please brother, not only does she need this help. "I" NEED it too! She's killing me here!

 

[RADAR]

Thank you for that Radar. K to you brother.

''You must spread some Karma around (ie give karma to other members too) before giving it to RADAR again''

Oh well! I tried.

Radar, what kind of doc does she go to? WHERE does she go to for help? Her stupid and ignorant endocrinologist doesn't do shit for her! He looks at the blood work and regardless of whats on there, he won't help her. Either says that everything looks fine when in reality its not! And she says that she doesn't feel fine. Or the jerk just flats out says he doesn't know what to do.

Please brother, not only does she need this help. "I" NEED it too! She's killing me here!

Find another Doctor, keep looking there are some good ones out there,My Dr is the same way ,good for health problems but sucks when it comes to hormone replacement, so far he has given me one 100mg shot of test cypionate that was 2 months ago,when i asked about this his reply was that should raise my levels for a few months.

 

[goin on 4T]

Tell your dr you need the results of her blood test, not just to have him reveiw them but you need copies of them. Then make appts with other dr. until you find one that understands her situation.

 

[RADAR]

Tell your dr you need the results of her blood test, not just to have him reveiw them but you need copies of them. Then make appts with other dr. until you find one that understands her situation.

actually copies are a great idea!

 

[Smokescreen]

Tell your dr you need the results of her blood test, not just to have him reveiw them but you need copies of them. Then make appts with other dr. until you find one that understands her situation.

Indeed!

 

[goin on 4T]

I always get copies of my labs, my insurance paid for them so in a way they are mine

 

[Nelson Montana]

It's becoming commonplace for post menopausal women to just stay on the pill since it offers just enough replacement estro and prog. Add a little test -- about 10 mgs a week (a little too low to inject -- a drop of the gel works well), and they're feeling fit and frisky.

 

[Smokescreen]

It's becoming commonplace for post menopausal women to just stay on the pill since it offers just enough replacement estro and prog. Add a little test -- about 10 mgs a week (a little too low to inject -- a drop of the gel works well), and they're feeling fit and frisky.

Wont they be getting enough estro from the Test 10mgs?

 

[rydog]

try one of the hormone replacement therapy clinics or anti-aging clinics, they offer test to women if the blood panels show it is needed. The drawback is that they are rarely covered by insurance so it can get expensive

 

[Nelson Montana]

Wont they be getting enough estro from the Test 10mgs?

Women don't have a HPTA. It won't convert.

 

[nydj66]

There is a product called estra-test with estrogen and testosterone (2.5mg daily of methyl-testosterone) for post-menopausal women.

Does wonders for the libido but it is notorius (sp?) for causing virilization symptoms; facial hair, deepening voice, enlarged clitoris, etc.

There was a 5mg/day version but they took that off the market.

 

[XMAN.]

i like this thread i was always curious to know about hrt regimen for women , how much is the standard weekly dose or range for estro. , prog. , and test usually applied for women ?

 

[ftwjason]

There is a product out of Australia called AndroFeme. It is a very low dose testosterone cream for women. It helps there libido--got some for my wife--trust me worth the $$.

 

[ftwjason]

Testosterone Cream for Women
AndroFeme® 1% Testosterone Cream is specifically targeted for use in women with declined or lowered serum testosterone levels. Low testosterone in women is typified by low libido, loss of or diminished sex drive, lowered sexual desire and sexual activity, fatigue, lethargy, tiredness and decreased bone mineralization. Reasons for reduced testosterone levels in women include ageing, hysterectomy, removal of the ovaries, use of estrogen tablets in HRT and oral contraceptives (the Pill), stress, chemo and/or radiotherapy and hypopituitarism. AndroFeme® Testosterone Cream for women is the world's only clinically trialled and tested pharmaceutical grade testosterone cream. Using natural bio identical testosterone AndroFeme® Testosterone Cream for women is the only government listed (AUST L 70887) testosterone cream for women in the world and is now available online.

 

[Smokescreen]

Women don't have a HPTA. It won't convert.

What? I always thought that women converted test to estrogen but at a much higher rate.

I'm confused. So us men make testosterone but to get estrogen, our test gets converted to estrogen.

And for women? How is it? They make Test and then that test gets converted to estrogen? Or they make estrogen and then it gets converted to testosterone?

 

[Nelson Montana]

What? I always thought that women converted test to estrogen but at a much higher rate.

I'm confused. So us men make testosterone but to get estrogen, our test gets converted to estrogen.

And for women? How is it? They make Test and then that test gets converted to estrogen? Or they make estrogen and then it gets converted to testosterone?

Men have testicles. They produce testosterone. Women have ovaries. They produce estrogen.

 

[XMAN.]

how come women who suffer from brest cancer take aromataze inhibitors to reduce estrogen as the last line of defense when nolva fails , then there's a huge amount of estro converted from test through the aromataze enzyme which AI's bind with to stop the conversion, i know that women produce most of their estro from ovaries but why the use of AI's then?

 

[Smokescreen]

how come women who suffer from brest cancer take aromataze inhibitors to reduce estrogen as the last line of defense when nolva fails , then there's a huge amount of estro converted from test through the aromataze enzyme which AI's bind with to stop the conversion, i know that women produce most of their estro from ovaries but why the use of AI's then?

That's why I asked my first question. None of this is making sense to me.

 

[DJ_UFO]

Men have testicles. They produce testosterone. Women have ovaries. They produce estrogen.

I am a total ignorant when it comes to women endocrinology. So on a female, where the testosterone produced comes from?

 

[theemperor]

Here is some info I researched on, read it and look into real carefully, all your answers should be covered.

Testosterone: All women are supposed to have some.

Just as men's bodies manufacture small amounts of estrogen, women's bodies produce testosterone through the ovaries and adrenal glands. A multitalented hormone, testosterone boosts both libido and energy, maintains muscle mass, strengthens bone, lowers cholesterol and blood sugar, protects from heart disease and improves immune system. A deficiency can cause many problems, among them: lack of or low sexual desire, flabbiness and muscular weakness, poor muscle tone, poor energy and stamina, lack of coordination and balance, lack of sense of security, indecisiveness, poor body image.

There are many potential reasons for testosterone deficiency. Menopause or a hysterectomy can cause it, but it can also be caused by the birth of a child, taking birth control pills or for no obvious reason at all. As we age, our bodies produce less of the hormones: testosterone, estrogen and progesterone. By age 40, women produce about half the testosterone we did in our twenties. These levels drop further still with the onset of menopause or for women who have had their ovaries removed. Lots of menopausal symptoms, like diminished energy, decreased sexual desire and "flatness" of mood seems to be directly related to declining levels of testosterone.

Typical treatment of menopause consists of prescribing estrogen and progesterone, traditional "female" hormones that address the discomforts of menopause and provide the added advantage of protecting against heart disease, Alzheimer's disease and osteoporosis. But although estrogen can quench hot flashes, it does little to enhance libido or energy.

Even small amounts of testosterone added to bio-identical hormone replacement therapy can restore sexual desire, improve energy and promote a sense of well-being. And that's not all. Testosterone also helps prevent bone loss, improves body composition (building lean mass and reducing body fat) and supports cognitive function.

What if you aren’t going through menopause but your libido isn’t that great? You may have suppressed levels of testosterone if you take birth control pills. Oral contraceptives- which are synthetic, not natural hormones- have ironically been associated with decreased libido and hormonal problems. And those adverse effects are usually long lasting, even after the discontinuation of the “pill”. Women taking birth control who complain of low libido may consider using a low dose of bio-identical testosterone supplement to counteract this problem.

Testosterone is available in a form of pills, creams, lozenges, patches, gels and injections. While oral tablets are easy to use, they are not natural or healthy. Oral testosterone affects liver enzymes and may cause liver tumors, raises 'bad' cholesterol and lowers 'good.' It is banned in all modern countries except Canada and United States. The safest, most natural form of bio-identical testosterone supplementation is a cream form, applied to skin once a day. hormone levels are checked every 6 weeks until the desired levels are achieved and you feel “like your old self” and after that are monitored them periodically.

 

[theemperor]

Hope this helps everyone!!! ^^^^^^^^

 

[Smokescreen]

K to you brother

 

[theemperor]

Its all good bro!!

 

[Nelson Montana]

how come women who suffer from brest cancer take aromataze inhibitors to reduce estrogen as the last line of defense when nolva fails , then there's a huge amount of estro converted from test through the aromataze enzyme which AI's bind with to stop the conversion, i know that women produce most of their estro from ovaries but why the use of AI's then?

It has nothing to do with conversion. AI's weren't invented to stop aromatization from testosterone, but they do -- that's why bodybuilders use them. Breast cancer is exasperated by estro, which is why women use nolva.

 

[XMAN.]

It has nothing to do with conversion. AI's weren't invented to stop aromatization from testosterone, but they do -- that's why bodybuilders use them. Breast cancer is exasperated by estro, which is why women use nolva.

Anastrozole
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anastrozole (INN, trade name Arimidex, AstraZeneca) is a drug used to treat breast cancer after surgery and for metastases in post-menopausal women.
Anastrozole is an aromatase inhibitor, which means that it interrupts a critical step in the body's synthesis of estrogen. Some breast cancer cells require estrogen to grow, and eliminating estrogen suppresses their growth.
Annual sales approx $2.2bn. Patent expires 2010 in the US[1]; however, the generic form is available in some other markets.

Clinical trials

The ATAC (Arimidex, Tamoxifen, Alone or in Combination) trial was an international randomised controlled trial of 9366 women with localizedbreast cancer who received either anastrozole, tamoxifen, or both for five years, followed by five years of follow-up.[2] After more than 5 years the group that received anastrozole had significantly better clinical results than the tamoxifen group. The trial suggested that anastrozole is the preferred medical therapy for postmenopausal women with localized breast cancer that isestrogen receptor (ER) positive.
Another study found that the risk of recurrence was reduced 40% (with some risk of bone fracture) and that ER negative patients also benefited from switching to Arimidex.[3]

Mechanism of Action

Anastrozole inhibits the enzyme aromatase, which is responsible for convertingandrogens to estrogens. Anastrozole binds reversibly to the aromatase enzyme through competitive inhibition.
Elevated levels of estrogens may increase the severity of breast cancer, as sex hormones can cause hyperplasia and differentiation at estrogen receptor sites.

Side effects

Bone weakness : Women who switched to Arimidex (after two years on tamoxifen) reported twice as many fractures as those who continued to take tamoxifen (2.1% compared to 1%).[3]
Bisphosphonates are sometimes prescribed to prevent the osteoporosis induced by aromatase inhibitors but have another serious side effect, osteonecrosis of the jaws. Since statins have a bone strengthening effect [4], combining a statin with an aromatase inhibitor may avoid both fractures and possible cardiovascular risks [5]without jaw osteonecrosis.[6] In one study of women with breast cancer takinganastrozole, statin use was associated with a 38% reduced fracture risk, or approximately the equivalent of 10 mg Fosamax daily.

Anastrozole - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[XMAN.]

what i wanted to say nelson is that if anastrozole is better than tamoxifen (nolva) in reducing estrogen by binding to the aromataze enzyme then there has to be a high amount of testosterone converted to estrogen in the first place , and u said b4 to carth that women don't have an HPTA so they don't convert test to estrogen and they only produce estro from the ovaries.

 

[Nelson Montana]

what i wanted to say nelson is that if anastrozole is better than tamoxifen (nolva) in reducing estrogen by binding to the aromataze enzyme then there has to be a high amount of testosterone converted to estrogen in the first place , and u said b4 to carth that women don't have an HPTA so they don't convert test to estrogen and they only produce estro from the ovaries.

You keep talking about conversion. Women don't get excess estrogen from testosterone aromatizing into estrogen. I'm not sure where you're getting that from that information. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

 

[Smokescreen]

I think we are all now like...."WTF?"

Nelson, explain to me how my wives estrogen, progesterone and testosterone levels dropped to almost nothing while on 6.25mgs of Proviron for 4 weeks? If "women" don't have an HPTA. She told her doc she was going to take the DHT drug. Doc told her that her body will sense the high DHT. And will then "stop" producing lots of hormones. And that's EXACTLY what happened.

 

[Smokescreen]

From what I always knew. Women created testosterone from the ovaries and adrenals. And got their estrogen due to the EXTREME high rate of aromatization their bodies does. Hence why anti-aromas are used for women to slow down the excess creation of estrogen. And hence slow down cancer created from estrogen.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I think we are all now like...."WTF?"

Nelson, explain to me how my wives estrogen, progesterone and testosterone levels dropped to almost nothing while on 6.25mgs of Proviron for 4 weeks? If "women" don't have an HPTA. She told her doc she was going to take the DHT drug. Doc told her that her body will sense the high DHT. And will then "stop" producing lots of hormones. And that's EXACTLY what happened.

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. I "thought" the subject was women producing e from excess T, which is not the case.

I sense a little antagonism bro. Chill.

I can help explain, if you like, what happened with the Proviron, but not right now. Gotta run. Catch you on the rebound.

 

[Smokescreen]

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. I "thought" the subject was women producing e from excess T, which is not the case.

I sense a little antagonism bro. Chill.

I can help explain, if you like, what happened with the Proviron, but not right now. Gotta run. Catch you on the rebound.

None at all. All is cool. It's hard to tell how people are really saying something by looking at "text". It's not the same as verbal "audio" communication.

 

[XMAN.]

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. I "thought" the subject was women producing e from excess T, which is not the case.

I sense a little antagonism bro. Chill.

I can help explain, if you like, what happened with the Proviron, but not right now. Gotta run. Catch you on the rebound.

exactly the subject is about women producing an excess T and convert most of it to E or at least that how it looks like from AI's use to breast cancer and don't tell me where i got this from all the pharmacist in my neighborhood says so and just google it and u'll see tons of studies and article on it and it's real purpose which is not for BB.

the purpose of this discussion is just to learn about the female endocrine system and if test can be used for their hrt in an enough amount and let it convert to E naturally instead of supplementing E alone and put an old lady at great risks of high E without high T at the same time cuz high androgens protects a woman against breast cancer.
the person in my mind is my Mother plus some female trainees in my gym in my neighborhood.

thx for ur replies bro

 

[Nelson Montana]

None at all. All is cool. It's hard to tell how people are really saying something by looking at "text". It's not the same as verbal "audio" communication.

True. Anyway, I think the confusion is thinking that women develop estrogen the same way men do.

Everything is the yin and yang --there's always a little of the opposite in everything. Case in point, the ovaries produce estrogen and a teeny bit of testosterone. The testicles produce testosterone and a teeny amount of estrogen. When enormous amounts of T are added to the mix, it gets wacky --i.e. aromatization. The HPTA is the hyperpituitary TESTICUlAR axis.

But everything works to maintain balance and women do have SHBG. When your wife added proviron it lowered estrogen, though I think the test was a crapshoot. By having extra test the body may suppress what it has but why would you want to suppress the tiny bit of test a women produces? SInce proviron is DHT it won;t regester as T but it will add androgenic qualities -- maybe too much. Odd desision of your docs part but there's some logic to it.

 

[XMAN.]

after a long debate with Nelson i came up by coincidence on an article about Aromasin(exemestane) which explains that the main source of estro for women change after menopause and that's why AI's work for them so in general for young females Nelson was right but things changes after menopause. here's the article :

Exemestane is an oral steroidal aromatase inhibitor (but also known uniquely as an aromatase inactivator) used in the adjuvant treatment of hormonally-responsive (also called hormone-receptor-positive, estrogen-responsive) breast cancer in postmenopausal women. An aim in the treatment of hormone-receptor-positive patients in preventing recurrence is to lower estrogen levels that this breast cancer thrives on.

The main source of estrogen is the ovaries in premenopausal women, while in post-menopausal women most of the body's estrogen is produced in the adrenal gland from the conversion of androgens into estrogen by the aromatase enzyme. Exemestane is an irreversible, steroidal aromatase inactivator, structurally related to the natural substrate androstenedione. It acts as a false substrate for the aromatase enzyme, and is processed to an intermediate that binds irreversibly to the active site of the enzyme causing its inactivation, an effect also known as "suicide inhibition." In other words, Exemestane, by being structurally similar to the target of the enzymes, permanently binds to those enzymes, thereby preventing them from ever completing their task of converting androgens into estrogens.

The estrogen suppression rate for exemestane varies from 85% for estradiol (E2) to 95% for estrone (E1).

Exemestane is indicated for the adjuvant treatment of postmenopausal women with estrogen-receptor positive early breast cancer who have received two to three years of tamoxifen and are switched to it for completion of a total of five consecutive years of adjuvant hormonal therapy.

Exemestane is indicated for the treatment of advanced breast cancer in postmenopausal women whose disease has progressed following tamoxifen therapy.

 

[Nelson Montana]

after a long debate with Nelson i came up by coincidence on an article about Aromasin(exemestane) which explains that the main source of estro for women change after menopause and that's why AI's work for them so in general for young females Nelson was right but things changes after menopause. here's the article :

Exemestane is an oral steroidal aromatase inhibitor (but also known uniquely as an aromatase inactivator) used in the adjuvant treatment of hormonally-responsive (also called hormone-receptor-positive, estrogen-responsive) breast cancer in postmenopausal women. An aim in the treatment of hormone-receptor-positive patients in preventing recurrence is to lower estrogen levels that this breast cancer thrives on.

The main source of estrogen is the ovaries in premenopausal women, while in post-menopausal women most of the body's estrogen is produced in the adrenal gland from the conversion of androgens into estrogen by the aromatase enzyme. Exemestane is an irreversible, steroidal aromatase inactivator, structurally related to the natural substrate androstenedione. It acts as a false substrate for the aromatase enzyme, and is processed to an intermediate that binds irreversibly to the active site of the enzyme causing its inactivation, an effect also known as "suicide inhibition." In other words, Exemestane, by being structurally similar to the target of the enzymes, permanently binds to those enzymes, thereby preventing them from ever completing their task of converting androgens into estrogens.

The estrogen suppression rate for exemestane varies from 85% for estradiol (E2) to 95% for estrone (E1).

Exemestane is indicated for the adjuvant treatment of postmenopausal women with estrogen-receptor positive early breast cancer who have received two to three years of tamoxifen and are switched to it for completion of a total of five consecutive years of adjuvant hormonal therapy.

Exemestane is indicated for the treatment of advanced breast cancer in postmenopausal women whose disease has progressed following tamoxifen therapy.

Yes, good post, though I didn't even consider post menapausal women for the reason that most have LOW estro and need replacement so conversion isn't a big factor for them.

 

[Smokescreen]

You must spread some Karma around (ie give karma to other members too) before giving it to Nelson Montana again.

 

[XMAN.]

You must spread some Karma around (ie give karma to other members too) before giving it to Nelson Montana again.

+1 for carth