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how does dullboy add 30 lbs of lean muscle without using the 'gasoline'?
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dullboy said:
gasoline will make you sick. You should try steroids, instead.
mrdeeznuts
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little kids are delicious (j/K)
whats your time frame?
whats your time frame?
Lift heavy as fuck and eat your ass off 500 grams protein minium.
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Gambino
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superqt4u2nv said:
i disagree with the protein.
no way can your body use 500 gms of 'tein a day.
no way
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Phaded
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i gained 13 pounds in 8 weeks doing 5 x 5 and eating a shitload.. but it wasn't lbm .. just juice and you'll gain that much..
high protien(2-4 grams per lb of LBM), cycle carbs. work each bodypart 2x a week. 1 low rep high set day and one high rep moderate set day.
gains come slow but they will come.
I havent touched a steroid since april and Im still packing 260 lbs and staying fairly lean
gains come slow but they will come.
I havent touched a steroid since april and Im still packing 260 lbs and staying fairly lean
DannoMight
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gh and slin
string_bean00
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Ludendorf said:
im sure it can if you're large enough
of course 170 lb pipsqqueak cant use 500 grams, but i bet ronnie hits that and most is being used
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The Shadow
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dullboy said:
yep...
and I have the clients to back it up.
pm if you are serious
What else are you packingWulfgar said:
GoldenDelicious
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you have to train your ass off
...but not aap style. then youll just have a sore butt
...but not aap style. then youll just have a sore butt
needtogetaas
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try deasil.
Lets take pics of Pintoca, Ludendorf and Wulfgar line them up and ask a dude who they would listen to advice on getting huge.pintoca said:
c00per doll make it happen
Seriously as long as you are not eating it all 500+ plus grams in the same sitting your body is going to process it. Protien is the most natural anabolic ever. I will use another fine physique as an example that supports this Needsize. Before he touched juice he ate the amount of protien Wulfgar and I am suggesting continued to do that well on juice and gained a ton of muscle.
Destroyer1986
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Depending on lbm 500grams is prob way too much for alot on this board.
You would need a min of 125 lbm if you used Wulfgars theory of 2-4 times. I have 133 of lbm and I am a chick most dudes should hace at least that much.Destroyer1986 said:
silverbackn
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If you have been training for any period of time 30lbs of muscle is extremely unlikely without drugs. Hell, even with drugs 30 pounds of MUSCLE (not fat and water) is extremely unlikely for most, unless you're talking about an extended period of time.
pintoca
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so what sort of ratios would a diet with 500 grs Protein/day would have? 500grs protein are already 2000 cals
Let's take a 220lbs, 10%BF guy.... with a 5times/week training program, he should be eating between 4000 and 4300 cals/day. (using three different formulas, all based on TDEE, which in turns comes from the Harrys-Benedict Formula)
So our guy, following a very common bulking ratio, goes to a 35%P, 50%C, 15%F.
That turns out to be for 4300cals:
35% 377 grs Protein
50% 538 grs Carbs
15% 72 grs Fat
we are talking about a guy with 198lbs LBM here.
Let's try a different number, a 280Lbs, 10% BF guy.
same fashion, 35,50,15. He would take between 4900 and 5300 (I'm normally conservative with my first estimations, rather to gain slowly than fast a lot of fat).
so for 5300 cals, this guy would be eating
35% 463 grs Protein
50% 661 grs Carbs
15% 88 grs Fat
again, shy of 500+ grs Prot... then again, we are talking about a mean-looking 280lbs guy (how many of those around here?, at 10%?).
You are overrating the importance of protein in a bulking diet, while OBVIOUSLY you need it, if you grossly overestimate your protein intake, you will inevitable have to cut on your other macros (to keep your cals at bay) and then, how are you going to fuel your bulking workouts with such a lack of, for example, carbs?
The "solution" for this would be to keep the 500grs protein and add the carbs required on top, landing on a amazingly HYPER-caloric diet that will of course produce growth at the expense of fat storage.
I disagreed first, after doing the calcs and seeing the numbers I disagree even more. A diet, be bulking or cutting is something VERY personal, you can't simply take BW or LBM and calculate by a factor, you need to take into consideration factors as activity levels, body efficiency, body-type, carb sensitivity, etc.
Let's take a 220lbs, 10%BF guy.... with a 5times/week training program, he should be eating between 4000 and 4300 cals/day. (using three different formulas, all based on TDEE, which in turns comes from the Harrys-Benedict Formula)
So our guy, following a very common bulking ratio, goes to a 35%P, 50%C, 15%F.
That turns out to be for 4300cals:
35% 377 grs Protein
50% 538 grs Carbs
15% 72 grs Fat
we are talking about a guy with 198lbs LBM here.
Let's try a different number, a 280Lbs, 10% BF guy.
same fashion, 35,50,15. He would take between 4900 and 5300 (I'm normally conservative with my first estimations, rather to gain slowly than fast a lot of fat).
so for 5300 cals, this guy would be eating
35% 463 grs Protein
50% 661 grs Carbs
15% 88 grs Fat
again, shy of 500+ grs Prot... then again, we are talking about a mean-looking 280lbs guy (how many of those around here?, at 10%?).
You are overrating the importance of protein in a bulking diet, while OBVIOUSLY you need it, if you grossly overestimate your protein intake, you will inevitable have to cut on your other macros (to keep your cals at bay) and then, how are you going to fuel your bulking workouts with such a lack of, for example, carbs?
The "solution" for this would be to keep the 500grs protein and add the carbs required on top, landing on a amazingly HYPER-caloric diet that will of course produce growth at the expense of fat storage.
I disagreed first, after doing the calcs and seeing the numbers I disagree even more. A diet, be bulking or cutting is something VERY personal, you can't simply take BW or LBM and calculate by a factor, you need to take into consideration factors as activity levels, body efficiency, body-type, carb sensitivity, etc.
I like how you back it up with real life examples of people who actually have achieved these kinds of gains 
Lets just agree to disagree I seen more then enough examples of real life people eating the 2-4 grams of protein per lbm to be all set with my views.P.S Dullboy if you are looking for real advice I suggest you look somewhere othere then C&C half these people don't lift
(I kid I kid) IMO check out Dante's therios on DC training etc this man builds monsters for a living.
pintoca
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superqt4u2nv said:
so macros and controlled caloric intake are a myth?
Are the people you have seen, by any chance, bodybuilders? there might be a reason why they are bodybuilders.
Please, by all means, continue to eat 500grs/prot x day.
, diets with 90%P, 5% carb and 5% f are definitely the next big thing!You never really know if something works until you try something different. Talking about real life people, all the theory behind these numbers come from real life people, in controled studies, I didn't invent this.
stosstruppe
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pintoca said:so macros and controlled caloric intake are a myth?
Are the people you have seen, by any chance, bodybuilders? there might be a reason why they are bodybuilders.
Please, by all means, continue to eat 500grs/prot x day.
You never really know if something works until you try something different. Talking about real life people, all the theory behind these numbers come from real life people, in controled studies, I didn't invent this.
Agreed with this man here & Gambino. It is absurd people stating you "need" such amounts of protein to support growth.
Look at the people recommending x amount of protein per lb of LBM. LBM is anything that isn't "fat" - bone tissue, organs, waste matter etc aswell as active muscle mass. It should be obvious different tissue types in your body require different amounts of each nutrient, that alone indicating the folly of blanket statements with regards to how much protein your body needs / lb LBM / day.
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digimon7068
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mightymouse69 said:
Amen. . .I'm 41 and right now I'm 8 to 10 pounds heavier and a little leaner than last year at this time. . .I get a little help a couple of times a year, but I'm clean and green most of the year.
Both Wuflgar and Needsize are bodybuilders. When is the last time you stepped on stage? I am not saying macro's have nothing to do with this and I do not mean 500grams for everyone did you read Wulfgar's post he said 2-4 grams per lbm I agree with him 110% and not just cause he is hot cause he is right. Next time your in the training forum check out Tweakles log he is not a BB but could be he is a beast and strong as hell too I know for a fact on his bulkers he took in 500+ grams of protien a day and more cals and macro's then you would suggestpintoca said:so macros and controlled caloric intake are a myth?
Are the people you have seen, by any chance, bodybuilders? there might be a reason why they are bodybuilders.
Please, by all means, continue to eat 500grs/prot x day.
You never really know if something works until you try something different. Talking about real life people, all the theory behind these numbers come from real life people, in controled studies, I didn't invent this.
but yeah I saw it work for him to sure he put on a little extra fat but when he cut down looked killer. I know a whole ton of other real life BB that also go by a high protien intake for bulking I could post some pics but most of them don't post here. Like I said I seen more then enough real life proof to be all set in my views.
stosstruppe
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superqt4u2nv said:
A "whole ton" of "learned" people also advocated that the Earth was at the centre of the universe at one point, aswell as being flat. Obviously this did not mean they were right.
Oh fuck this doesn't even deserve a responce seriouslyStoßtruppe said:
Have you seen Needsize? I seen him on his bulker dude still had fucking abs it was unreal he was at 5'8 @ 240 or more can't remember around 8-10% bf that is more then enough evidance for me thanks.
mrdeeznuts
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eating that much protein just makes me sick and poop a lot
(500 g)
for my body to process that much protein i'd have to eat 21g of protein per hour.
(500 g)
for my body to process that much protein i'd have to eat 21g of protein per hour.
digimon7068
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mrdeeznuts said:
Agreed. During any given year, my weight fluctuates from 230 (winter) to 210 (summer) and I've never been able to choke down more than 300g's per day. . .
stosstruppe
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superqt4u2nv said:Oh fuck this doesn't even deserve a responce seriously
When unable to offer facts in a discussion, misdirect, when unable to misdirect, outright attack.
The point of the original analogy was that the background of the people advocating such advice / stating such "facts" shouldn't necessarily add weight to "popularist trends / beliefs".
You're comparing the nutritional needs / potential of people on drugs (for the record, I have no moral opinion of users) to that of the OP who has stated a desire to gain active muscle tissue without the use of "gasoline"?
What if said person advocates eating (or does actually eat) 750g of protein, or 1 kilo, or 2 kilos per day, and bases their reasoning on their physique (this works great in the marketing industry), would that also sound plausible? At which point would you consider it absurd?
Stoßtruppe said:
I saw him yes when he was juicing but ask the man about his pre juice day. Better yet take a look through his gallery check out his pics there are more then a few pre juice. Then again ask him about his diet before he juiced. Pre juice Needsize looked better then most of the juicers on this board. Why? Diet and training.
What I consider absurd is doing the same thing over and over and not getting result from it. If it works then stick with it, if it don't try another method.
pintoca
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btw, "2-4 grs prot" produces a fluctuation of up to 100%... that is a bit too much of a margin, wouldn't you say? theres a BIG difference between eating 250grs and eating 500grs.
The whole thing I'm arguing is you jumping straight at announcing that the way to gain LBM is "train hard as fuck and eat 500+ grs of protein/day".
The whole thing I'm arguing is you jumping straight at announcing that the way to gain LBM is "train hard as fuck and eat 500+ grs of protein/day".
mrdeeznuts
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the human body processes 30 grams of protein per hour the rest is waste from most of the studies i've seen
An excess of dietary protein taken in chronic amounts will almost certainly tax the kidneys and lead to gradual degeneration, along with a protein-breakdown causing nitrogenous overloads.
The excess protein is broken down by the liver which in turn turns it into urea which is then excreted through the kidneys. Urea is a diuretic, that means water is going to exit along with urea, and this water loss means the simultaneous loss of many minerals. The most important one being calcium....leading to more complications than you would want me to list.
In short, don't take excess amounts of anything unless you know your body is going to utilize it, if your body doesn't utlize it, other organs will become taxed resulting in further complications and irreversible damage down the road.
500g of protein a day is absurd to recommend, I would be willing to say that <5% of the population would actually benifit from such an outlandish number.
To simply say "well this guy is huge and he does it...so it must work", isn't exactly using inductive reasoning....
The excess protein is broken down by the liver which in turn turns it into urea which is then excreted through the kidneys. Urea is a diuretic, that means water is going to exit along with urea, and this water loss means the simultaneous loss of many minerals. The most important one being calcium....leading to more complications than you would want me to list.
In short, don't take excess amounts of anything unless you know your body is going to utilize it, if your body doesn't utlize it, other organs will become taxed resulting in further complications and irreversible damage down the road.
500g of protein a day is absurd to recommend, I would be willing to say that <5% of the population would actually benifit from such an outlandish number.
To simply say "well this guy is huge and he does it...so it must work", isn't exactly using inductive reasoning....
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HOLY CRAP I AM DONE AFTER THIS MUCH LIKE ALL THINGS ON C&C SOME THINGS ARE USED FOR EFFECT. Would you like me to go back edit my post?pintoca said:
My fucking point is eat a lot of protein train your ass off and you will see gains. How do I know from personal experience of my own and friends. If that doesn't work for you and it may not work for all then try something else.
* I am on low carbs right now and fucking in capable of dealing with nit picking retards.
silverbackn
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Somethings wrong, I clicked on this and now I'm on the anabolics board.
pintoca
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superqt4u2nv said:
Nice backpedaling, "Hey, I didn't mean what I wrote, despite the fact I defended it for 10 pages as the absolute truth cause I saw a guy (or two or three) who did it, what I really meant was..."
eat "lots" of protein instead of 500grs pointblank is already a step in the right direction.
wanna make out?
I want to reach through my computer and punch you in the fucking face is what I want to do. And I am not back pedealing you fucking kruat, I agreed with Wuflgar and I still stand behind what I say maybe not 500 grams right on the dot for everyone but basically yes a fucking ass load of protien is required for gains.pintoca said:
Pdaddy last check up with the Dr. my kidneys and liver both were in mint shape and I average 200-300 grams of protien year round.
I wont kiss you but I might hate fuck you.pintoca said:
LOL you recall that incorrect karma message that I sent to you a while back? That is how I would do it ...still interested?pintoca said:
digimon7068
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superqt4u2nv said:
Mmmm. . .angry sex rocks. I had a grudge-fuck once. . .it was the best.
The human body is 70% water. You telling me the other 30% needs 500 grams of protein?
Now it is true that bodybuilders eat excessive amount of protein, such as 400-500 grams, but this is normally during their dieting phase where they have to eat more protein, not because their bodies need more protein, but their body needs the CALORIES for it.
If you want 30lbs of lean muscle mass, you are going to have to train heavy, put on 70lbs of bodyweight and then cut down.
Now it is true that bodybuilders eat excessive amount of protein, such as 400-500 grams, but this is normally during their dieting phase where they have to eat more protein, not because their bodies need more protein, but their body needs the CALORIES for it.
If you want 30lbs of lean muscle mass, you are going to have to train heavy, put on 70lbs of bodyweight and then cut down.
javaguru
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I've never seen a study addressing utilization of protein, do you have a link? The best I've gotten from professors is that protein utilization varies based on a number of variables. I guess utilization is another area of contention, on a keto diet many of those aminos will likely be converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis, technically it's utilization Vs. being converted to a waste product. In the end, everyone has to find out what works for them. I can't do a keto or CKD because I simply can't function and the weight just doesn't come off. If I consume 1.5g protein, 1g CHO, and .25g fat per pound then I lose fat quickly.mrdeeznuts said:
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Gambino
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this would be logical if pinto or i juiced...superqt4u2nv said:
K then lets take Needsizes pre juice pictures and put them against yoursLudendorf said:
cause yeah it is all just the juice that got Wulfgar looking that way
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Gambino
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superqt4u2nv said:K then lets take Needsizes pre juice pictures and put them against yours
so comparing one person to me will prove your thesis?
i think not...needsize is blessed with good genetics obivously.
he would be bigger than i even without working out i reckon.
i don't know as much as you or wulfgar about this type of thing... i just think 500 gms of 'tein is excessive for just about anyone
a kraut.
chewyxrage
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this thread was amusing
I love how it is always marked off as good genetics or the juice give me a fucking breakLudendorf said:
bran987
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steroids allow you to use more protein, right? we aren't comparing apples to apples here. pintoca is not a juiced up dude and he does way too much cardio to be big, lol I just had to throw in the cardio bunny thing pintoca sorry. you can look at needto and tell me obviously does a lot of steroids, I mean the guy was advocating eating boxes of macaroni and cheese to get big too, is that a good idea?superqt4u2nv said:Oh fuck this doesn't even deserve a responce seriously
Have you seen Needsize? I seen him on his bulker dude still had fucking abs it was unreal he was at 5'8 @ 240 or more can't remember around 8-10% bf that is more then enough evidance for me thanks.
needsize = uber hot.
bran987 said:
I know. oi.
I have his gallery bookmarked.
Pre juice http://www.elitefitness.com/gallery/data/500/17838prejuice.jpg now what do you have so say about them apples?bran987 said:
Ask him http://www.elitefitness.com/gallery/data/500/17838finger.jpg I know his eating was similar to what it was on his last bulker but don't know exactly how much.bran987 said:
let me clear it up a bit guys
now remember, the reason I put such a broad range (2-4 grams) was because the body is incredibly adaptable and there are literally thousands of factors than influence metabolism and the amount of nutrients one can absorb. So I am just going to be EXTREMELY general here.
Im not sure how many people are familiar with daily PTOR(protien turnover ratio) but gernally speaking it is the amount of muscle tissue(in grams) the body creates, then susequently destroys in a given day. PTOR equals BWx1.818 g daily. so consider this. In theory, if an athlete controlled proprtionatly all anabolic, androgenic, and catabolisc hormones and enzymes with dominanace upon protein based tissue growth, then supplied a correct ratio of amino acids, carbs, and fats, the athlete would increase PROTEIN BASED MASS(I.e. MUSCLE TISSUE) at a rate of BWx1.818 daily. So a 250 lb BB in theory could add 454.5g daily of Lean tissue. And rememebr this is all in absence of training. Obviously it is impossible to completely shut down catabic reponses as it is not possible to completely maximize anabolism(the body is too smart @ the moment). But it gives us a general idea of the potential we all have.
Lets help the body along here. In order for any training or supplental protocol to reap the greatest results an adequate supply of calories are necessary...and in the right ratios. Not everyone is the same(obviously) but some basic guidelines can be utilized concerning nutrition.
Calories: Basic BBers BMR is 15-17 kcal er lb of BW daily. so for a 200 lb BBer 3000-4000 Kcal must be injested daily to maintain homeostasis. Normally to gain weight, a calorie count of 16-21 Kcal per lb of BW must be injested(obviously varying on the amount of LEAN bodyweight of each individual...duh!). to lsoe weight a kcal count of 10-14 kcal is necessary per day.
for most non obese people I believe a general Macro-nutrient calorie distribution ratio of 30-40% Protein, 40-50% carbs and 20% fats is right on. Fatties who tend to have a hard time keeping adipose tissue at bay are advised to use higher protein protocols. So lets use our 200 lb Endo-mesomorph as an example(while in a mass gaining stage) utilizing 20 Kcal per lb of BW daily: 20x200=4000 kcal daily. 40% protein=400 grams, 40% carbs=400 g, 20% fat=88.8 G. So 1600 calories from protein(400gx4C=1600C), 1600 cal from carbs(400Gx4c=1600C), and 800 calories from fat(88.8x9=799C). Or look at is as @G protein, 2g carbs, .45 of fats per lb of BW daily.
Protein is the most underratted(and necessary) anabolic substance legally available. about 10% of your bodies total available protein is in the skin while muscle contains about 50%. the rest is contained in organs, enzymes, circulatory etc. Muscle is protein, training and stress breaks it down, supraphysiological levels of protein repair and increase growth of muscle tissue. Protein supplies the nitrogen necessary to keep you in a positive balance to promote anabolism. so truly the best thing to do if trying to add ripped tissue is write down everyhing u eat for 10 days to estabilsh the protein baseline. then add 50 Grams per day till u start gaining adipose tissue. then reevaluate fat and carb intake.
From this process I have seen that MOST athletes fall between 2 and 4 grams pe lb of LBM.
questions?
now remember, the reason I put such a broad range (2-4 grams) was because the body is incredibly adaptable and there are literally thousands of factors than influence metabolism and the amount of nutrients one can absorb. So I am just going to be EXTREMELY general here.
Im not sure how many people are familiar with daily PTOR(protien turnover ratio) but gernally speaking it is the amount of muscle tissue(in grams) the body creates, then susequently destroys in a given day. PTOR equals BWx1.818 g daily. so consider this. In theory, if an athlete controlled proprtionatly all anabolic, androgenic, and catabolisc hormones and enzymes with dominanace upon protein based tissue growth, then supplied a correct ratio of amino acids, carbs, and fats, the athlete would increase PROTEIN BASED MASS(I.e. MUSCLE TISSUE) at a rate of BWx1.818 daily. So a 250 lb BB in theory could add 454.5g daily of Lean tissue. And rememebr this is all in absence of training. Obviously it is impossible to completely shut down catabic reponses as it is not possible to completely maximize anabolism(the body is too smart @ the moment). But it gives us a general idea of the potential we all have.
Lets help the body along here. In order for any training or supplental protocol to reap the greatest results an adequate supply of calories are necessary...and in the right ratios. Not everyone is the same(obviously) but some basic guidelines can be utilized concerning nutrition.
Calories: Basic BBers BMR is 15-17 kcal er lb of BW daily. so for a 200 lb BBer 3000-4000 Kcal must be injested daily to maintain homeostasis. Normally to gain weight, a calorie count of 16-21 Kcal per lb of BW must be injested(obviously varying on the amount of LEAN bodyweight of each individual...duh!). to lsoe weight a kcal count of 10-14 kcal is necessary per day.
for most non obese people I believe a general Macro-nutrient calorie distribution ratio of 30-40% Protein, 40-50% carbs and 20% fats is right on. Fatties who tend to have a hard time keeping adipose tissue at bay are advised to use higher protein protocols. So lets use our 200 lb Endo-mesomorph as an example(while in a mass gaining stage) utilizing 20 Kcal per lb of BW daily: 20x200=4000 kcal daily. 40% protein=400 grams, 40% carbs=400 g, 20% fat=88.8 G. So 1600 calories from protein(400gx4C=1600C), 1600 cal from carbs(400Gx4c=1600C), and 800 calories from fat(88.8x9=799C). Or look at is as @G protein, 2g carbs, .45 of fats per lb of BW daily.
Protein is the most underratted(and necessary) anabolic substance legally available. about 10% of your bodies total available protein is in the skin while muscle contains about 50%. the rest is contained in organs, enzymes, circulatory etc. Muscle is protein, training and stress breaks it down, supraphysiological levels of protein repair and increase growth of muscle tissue. Protein supplies the nitrogen necessary to keep you in a positive balance to promote anabolism. so truly the best thing to do if trying to add ripped tissue is write down everyhing u eat for 10 days to estabilsh the protein baseline. then add 50 Grams per day till u start gaining adipose tissue. then reevaluate fat and carb intake.
From this process I have seen that MOST athletes fall between 2 and 4 grams pe lb of LBM.
questions?
bran987
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ok I asked:superqt4u2nv said:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6468763#post6468763
Look at that brains and he is ridiculously hot too!Wulfgar said:
dude protein doesnt hurt your internal organsbran987 said:
again, old wives tales.
any study done showing adverse effects on the kidneys from protein intake was done on people with kidney disorders
Ive eaten 500+ grams fo protein daily for over 3 years, going as high as 700 grams precontest. I get my blood work done 3-5x a year and every single time my values come back expcetional.
dont beleive all the BS..do your own research.
Wulfgar said:
bran987
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I will allow the e-flirting to continue in this thread as long as wulfgar keeps answering my questions.Wulfgar said:lmao
I fucking LOVE coffee..im drinking a cup right now
its my special get huge blend
great. OK also, next question: is it true all protein powder is crap made in crude conditions and that you really should just eat food only b/c protein powder doesn't work.
I like your special blend of creamerWulfgar said:lmao
I fucking LOVE coffee..
its my special get huge blend
true to a pointbran987 said:
I advise everyone to eat as much completel meat based protein as possible.
Of course, to get in 500 grams day thats equates to about 5 lbs of meat!! thats ALOT of chewing to break it down into small enough articles to digest!
get a good pure source of whey isolate and u will be fine(i.e. Isopure). but dont use more than half ur daily allotment of protein from whey.
I utilize the blender solution pretty often
8 oz diet coke
1 can tuna
1 scoop whey
doesnt taste bad and provides a whopping 60 grams of easy to digest protein!
bran987
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shit, can't imagine doing that but OK.Wulfgar said:
next question:
is it true you should only eat a couple egg yolks per day because of the cholesterol or is that BS. Was that just a myth old wives tale, could you eat 5 hard boiled eggs and be fine someone told me they are actually full of vitamins and minerals and the whole cholesterol thing is BS.
bran987
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ok last question, I'm 5'7" ~170 lbs. probably 13% BF. What do I eat?Wulfgar said:
This is a picture of me from last month but I do look better now: http://i5.tinypic.com/16itpwm.jpg
Thanks wulfboy you're my new favorite guru of the day!
I prefer it in my post workout shake.Wulfgar said:
OMG on tuna shakes
But you are hot enough for me too over look it.
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