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Holy Shit! Great results from my cycle.

congrats bro. im looking forward to my next cycle. gettin kinda antsy. hopefully santa will be here soon. take it easy.
 
How young and short are you? 250 bench after a 10-week cycle is pretty weak bro. I know I had a decent bench when I started lifting, but before juice, when I was 5'5", 118lbs, I could put up 225 raw, with a pause on the chest, in a PL meet. And did you get your bf tested hydrostatically or via calipers or something? B/c 4.2% is about what most competitive bbers are ONSTAGE... maybe .5-1% less. 4% isn't healthy to maintain for most people, so if it's that low you may get sick alot. Still, congrats on the gains, they are great improvements, it's just that you started SO low, I wonder how slight and young you are? No offense.
 
Tux said:
How young and short are you? 250 bench after a 10-week cycle is pretty weak bro. I know I had a decent bench when I started lifting, but before juice, when I was 5'5", 118lbs, I could put up 225 raw, with a pause on the chest, in a PL meet. And did you get your bf tested hydrostatically or via calipers or something? B/c 4.2% is about what most competitive bbers are ONSTAGE... maybe .5-1% less. 4% isn't healthy to maintain for most people, so if it's that low you may get sick alot. Still, congrats on the gains, they are great improvements, it's just that you started SO low, I wonder how slight and young you are? No offense.
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No shit....Happy Birthday Tomorrow you wobbling, tuxedo wearin' mutant...
You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Tux again.
:Chef: :Chef:
 
That's great news!

I am kind of curious [as Tux] to as to your personal stats? A 35% increase in bench is nothing to scoff at (congrats), but it does seem like a low starting max unless you are really thin/lanky and small. That's why I am curious, because I am small also, but very strong.

I gotta agree with Tux, and please keep in mind, that carrying < 4.5% BF for daily lifestyle seems a bit risky unless needed for athletic competition.

Some doctors/neurologists will tell you that over a prolonged period of time it is not good for your spinal cord sheath to not have fat protecting it........been there

Agree, love gear. Were you taking Anavar?
 
FBodyGuy02 said:
My cycle was for 10 weeks and damn my flat bench is up to 250 from 185. And I got my BF tested today at 4.2% (from 5.7% last summer)

:heart: God I love juice. :heart:
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Congrats to you bro--very glad your a happy fella.....I don't care too much about what weight your bench is at......but last year you were 5.7% (not 5.5 or 6; but 5.7%) and now after a 10 week cycle you are at 4.2%????? Could you please post a pic----what was your weight loss during these 10 weeks as your bench went up to 250.......

What was your cycle ----diet like too.....
 
LOL.. Yeah I will be the first to admit it, I am not the biggest guy. I have always been a smaller dude. But I am happy with my gains. Here's some more info that may or maynot answer some of your questions:

I am 23 years old.
5' 10"
Currently at 160lbs (From 145 before cycle)

The 10 week cycle consisted of:

Dbol @25mg ED (wks 1-6)
Sust250 @250mg EW (wks 1-10)
Tren @50mg ED (wks 4-10)
Winny @50 mg ED (wks 6-10)

So yeah. My cycle consisted of low dosages, I know. I gain pretty good off low dosages, and I don't get as bad of sides.

Tux - I know I started LOW, but you gotta start somewhere right?! :)
Oh and BTW - the BF test was administered by a fitness teacher/trainer at my work via calipers. Each "pinch" was taken 3 times in the same area for more accurate results.

Will b huge - I didn't lose any weight in my cycle...I gained 15 lbs of LBM.
My cycle is noted above, and I am consuming approx 300 grams of protien and roughly 2000 calories over 4 meals & snacks everyday. my diet consisted of mainly rice, chicken breasts, beef, tuna, protien shakes, tons of milk, and various snacks through out the day.

zips 95 - I am far from being "thin/lanky or small"... but I can see why you migh think that.

Note - my "max" bench is probably a bit higher than 250lbs. I was a bit fatigued at the time I tried for my max. When I put up 250, that was after 3 sets, of which my 3rd set consisted of 225lbs at 12 reps. I know this may sound "weak" compared to most bros on this forum, but I am still happy I can bench 160% of my body weight. :)

Van Wilder - I plan to post pics soon. Can anyone reccomend any websites for posting photos for free?

Peace bros. :rasta:

--FBG
 
My momma told me if you can't say something good don't say anything....so i'm shuttin the f*ck up.
 
Dial_tone said:
My momma told me if you can't say something good don't say anything....so i'm shuttin the f*ck up.
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Dial tone, man I wish I was bulky as you. But we have totally different genetics. I work with what God gave me..which isn't very much.. :lmao:
 
FBodyGuy02 said:
Oh and BTW - the BF test was administered by a fitness teacher/trainer at my work via calipers. Each "pinch" was taken 3 times in the same area for more accurate results.
--FBG
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those aren't very accurate, when i was tested with the pinch caliper i came in at 2%
 
LVTitan said:
those aren't very accurate, when i was tested with the pinch caliper i came in at 2%
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I got calipered at 12% last year by a 24 hr. fitness "trainer" :rolleyes:

She said "you have NO fat anywhere, but you have ALOT of fat on your back...:o
That test was done about the same time as this picture was taken last year...:rolleyes: 12% my ass :D
 
yeah caliper is not accurate. as lvtitan said i test at 2% and we all know that is not possible, then i starated throwin around 5% as an estimate, and as lean and ripped as i am still i think more like 6 or 7 cause 5 is bananas. 4.2 sorry bro you would be passing out as you wrote this
 
bruce410 said:
yeah caliper is not accurate. as lvtitan said i test at 2% and we all know that is not possible, then i starated throwin around 5% as an estimate, and as lean and ripped as i am still i think more like 6 or 7 cause 5 is bananas. 4.2 sorry bro you would be passing out as you wrote this
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OK good point. 4.2% does seem low. So I am not going to speculate what I think I am at. Pics will be posted soon, then you guys can critic me.

--FBG
 
bro i respect you for posting your stats, and you are modest regarding your abilities, probably too modest. see, most of us think that results of that level should be easily achievable without gear. but at least you got results with the gear added. so it shows your body is capable of something. now go back to the drawing board and figure out and tell us, why you cannot do that natural. no point taking juice to go from a 140 pound weakling to a 160 pound weakling. bad example to the youth of america. i have got to side with george bush on this one.
 
bro he is in the begining of his cycle firstly, who the fuck are you why does he need to tell you why he couldn't do that natty. he can do what he wants some people don't gain without gear
 
Triple J said:
bro i respect you for posting your stats, and you are modest regarding your abilities, probably too modest. see, most of us think that results of that level should be easily achievable without gear. but at least you got results with the gear added. so it shows your body is capable of something. now go back to the drawing board and figure out and tell us, why you cannot do that natural. no point taking juice to go from a 140 pound weakling to a 160 pound weakling. bad example to the youth of america. i have got to side with george bush on this one.
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wtf is youre problem.s.t.f.u.
 
LOL

ok, you guys are right there are no qualifications required to start juicing.

i wish him the best. REALLY
 
Triple J said:
bro i respect you for posting your stats, and you are modest regarding your abilities, probably too modest. see, most of us think that results of that level should be easily achievable without gear. but at least you got results with the gear added. so it shows your body is capable of something. now go back to the drawing board and figure out and tell us, why you cannot do that natural. no point taking juice to go from a 140 pound weakling to a 160 pound weakling. bad example to the youth of america. i have got to side with george bush on this one.
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Triple. I can understand why you and many others might think that way. But it is personal choice. Respect it. Thanks. :verygood:
 
Yo, broly....Lookin lean. Nice cuts in your delts. IMO you should beef up the calories every month until October then hit a SUPER BULKER. You would get diesel as fuck. How were the sides? Any pct?

And again good job! :Chef: :tuc:
 
well respect to ya for posting the pics. they look pretty good, the before pics look good, too. in both before and after shots, you are lean and muscular. now based on the pics, i would say your genetics in the chest area may be lacking, which limits your bench. no big deal bench is over-rated. plus when you get older you won't have to worry about your giant pecs turning to flap-jack titties like Ric Flair's.

as lean as you are, there is no doubt in my mind, you could pack on strength and size naturally, just by eating more, and maybe training differently. well just keep it mind for when your cycle ends, and you try to hold your gains. although i do not favor bulking per se, you could stand a little more calories, thats obvious.

ok, good luck to you
 
FBodyGuy02 said:
OK fellas,

Pics as promised. Thanks to Sweed for the great link.

Before pics:

http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beforepic16wa.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beforepic29qp.jpg

Afer pics:

http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10101465wt.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10101479is.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10101578lu.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10101643sn.jpg


Any comments/suggestions?

--FBG
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Congrats on you gains in size and in strength, I know how it is being tall skinny,don't let the little short guys put you down, one day you will be 240lbs and can crush there short ass with one blow :devil: Everyone is different some people start strong others don't, I work out with a guy who started out benching with 95lbs :rolleyes: sure it took him 10 or so years but he maxes close to 450lbs now and looks like Adonis, K to you for posing up.....
 
so you are now 160? gotta start somewhere. keep working at it and eat, you'll get bigger. If I weighed in at 160, I would quit worrying about how lean I am and try to get some size on me, if that is what you are wanting.

I do realize that everyone's goals are different. If you are happy now, that is all that matters

Whiskey
 
Kudos to you for backing up your post, and the photoshoot. You sure like like you are on your way, good shape.

You are indeed lanky/long armed, and believe me I know how much harder it is to max out on pressing movements compared to most of these 4' tall monsters on here with 3-inch long arms.

Since you asked about suggestions from the photos....not sure what your long term goals are, and you certainly got a lot more posts/karma than I, but if your spending some serious money on gear to help you reach your goals, then I would "suggest" heavily focusing on lower pecs and sweep, as well as decreasing bicep length.

You look like you certainly have the type of genetics that bodyfat isn't a huge concern, and if you build mass in your chest, and shorten up the bicep, I agree with previous posts, you could be the s**t! Best of luck to you bro, truly. Keep us updated, we have similar genetics and build, I would like to hear about future cycles.............
 
gOOD for you
looks good
I was 135lbs when i started naturally got up to 260lbs
benching real heavy now but i have love handles!
i wish i would have taken you route
ha
 
 
The links worked fine for me. I know I didnt look that good at 160, but then again I was 14. ;)

I think that you will get there bro, just really give some consideration to diet. How many cals a day are you consuming? My best advice would be to bump up the calories considerably. I eat 8000+ a day when bulking. You probably wont need nearly that much, but your pics tell me you need more. Also, dont get too hung up on flat bench press. If you want to grow your chest, do other movements as well, incline dumbbell presses, flies, etc.
 
FBodyGuy02 said:
Note - my "max" bench is probably a bit higher than 250lbs. I was a bit fatigued at the time I tried for my max. When I put up 250, that was after 3 sets, of which my 3rd set consisted of 225lbs at 12 reps.FBG
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If you can do 225 for 12 reps raw then you grossely underestimated your max bench...it would be well over 300 pounds. However, I find it hard to believe that you did 225 12 times and then could only do 250 once, fatigued or not. Regardless, too much emphasis is put on the flat bb benchpress- try incline bb and db to make ur chest grow. Nice improvements all around.
 
Good improvements bro, but no way in HELL you're near 5% bodyfat. 8% more like it.
 
This was me at 157 lbs.

- note - my FIRST cycle came about 2 months AFTER this pic was taken.

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FBodyGuy02 said:
I am 23 years old.
5' 10"
Currently at 160lbs (From 145 before cycle)

The 10 week cycle consisted of:

Dbol @25mg ED (wks 1-6)
Sust250 @250mg EW (wks 1-10)
Tren @50mg ED (wks 4-10)
Winny @50 mg ED (wks 6-10)
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Where are all the sensible folks at? Come on now, this board has gotten soft.
 
FBodyGuy02 said:
Triple. I can understand why you and many others might think that way. But it is personal choice. Respect it. Thanks. :verygood:
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Sorry bro... can't respect that. I stronlgy feel you've chosen to take the easy road... and that is disrespectful to everyone who has put in their time in the gym and in the kitchen. I think you have to put in your time in and learn how to train and eat properly and put some size on yourself before you hit the roids. And don't give me the "no matter what I do I can't gain naturally" cuz i started at 132lbs too. I don't mean to flame but I feel pretty strongly about this...just my.02

No hard feelings...

VW
 
holy fuckin shit....yea, the ideal way to do it is to reach your genetic limit first then cycle....but thats a his own fuckin perogative, fuck....who cares, he didnt disrespect anyone.....he got good gains and wanted share this with everyone on the board....the dude didnt rape your sister or kill anyone, just let people make their own decisions....we can try to steer people in the right direction, but when they choose to take their own path then dont get butt-hurt, just fuckin let it go and let them do their thing
 
I have a buddy who walks around at 4-5%. He gets the under water, hold your breath untill you pass out, test done frequently. But i've yet to see him pass out. He diets for 6months and bulks for 6 months. He is definately cranky when he gets down into the 4-5's. Look at the sprinters in the olympics, and wrestlers, they are all extremely low bf and compete like that.


bruce410 said:
yeah caliper is not accurate. as lvtitan said i test at 2% and we all know that is not possible, then i starated throwin around 5% as an estimate, and as lean and ripped as i am still i think more like 6 or 7 cause 5 is bananas. 4.2 sorry bro you would be passing out as you wrote this
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Nice results bro - as long as you are continuing to make progress, none of that other shit matters. I would be willing to bet that a lot of guys are at a point were they cannot gain anything unless on cycle...
 
JLA said:
Nice results bro - as long as you are continuing to make progress, none of that other shit matters. I would be willing to bet that a lot of guys are at a point were they cannot gain anything unless on cycle...
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One more thing - props for posting pics; lean as hell
 
van_wilder said:
Sorry bro... can't respect that. I stronlgy feel you've chosen to take the easy road... and that is disrespectful to everyone who has put in their time in the gym and in the kitchen. I think you have to put in your time in and learn how to train and eat properly and put some size on yourself before you hit the roids. And don't give me the "no matter what I do I can't gain naturally" cuz i started at 132lbs too. I don't mean to flame but I feel pretty strongly about this...just my.02

No hard feelings...

VW
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Dude. WTF? It's people like you that run this forum into shit. Posts like this discourage other from learning form other people past experiences, mistakes or not. Ease up man, don't take this shit so personally...I'm not trying to dis anyone on this board at all.

By telling me "I think you have to put in your time in and learn how to train and eat properly and put some size on yourself before you hit the roids." is not going to change anything. I am an adult, and I can make my own decisions in life. I feel strongly about this :) ...So quit yo bitchin', thanks. :nopity:

--FBG

Thanks to everyone with the positive feedback and advice.
 
FBodyGuy02 said:
I am 23 years old.
5' 10"
Currently at 160lbs (From 145 before cycle)

The 10 week cycle consisted of:

Dbol @25mg ED (wks 1-6)
Sust250 @250mg EW (wks 1-10)
Tren @50mg ED (wks 4-10)
Winny @50 mg ED (wks 6-10)
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Weekly Mg tally for all anabolics:
Week 1 425mg (175 dbol + 250 sust)
Week 2 425mg (175 dbol + 250 sust)
Week 3 425mg (175 dbol + 250 sust)
Week 4 775mg (175 dbol + 250 sust + 350 tren)
Week 5 775mg (175 dbol + 250 sust + 350 tren)
Week 6 1125mg (175 dbol + 250 sust + 350 tren + 350 win)*
Week 7 950mg (250 sust + 350 tren + 350 win)
Week 8 950mg (250 sust + 350 tren + 350 win)
Week 9 950mg (250 sust + 350 tren + 350 win)
Week 10 950mg (250 sust + 350 tren + 350 win)

* = not sure if you wrote it write with dbol and winny overlapping, if dbol dropped then 950mg

FBodyGuy02 said:
So yeah. My cycle consisted of low dosages, I know. I gain pretty good off low dosages, and I don't get as bad of sides.
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I don't know what you consider low dosages but I assure you that world championships and olympic medals have been won on lower mg per week. To add some perspective, in all of the cycles I've run (granted this was over a lot of years and quite a while back - still human physiology hasn't evolved in a decade or so) I've never exceeded 1 gram. I can say the same for a friend who was one of the better lifters in the country for a number of years (could put 500 overhead, front squat > 600, clean 480). I can go on but the point is that this is just to add some perspective on what are low dosages and what aren't and these aren't and definitely not for a first cycle.

I'd focus on eating a lot more and improving the big lifts. You might consider ordering Rippetoe's book Starting Strength (www.startingstrength.com). He's one of the better people in the country at adding weight to novice lifters - routinely getting 30-40lbs on an athlete in the first 6 months. Here's an overview on his squatting program and progression for the first year: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4658227&postcount=235. There are interviews with him and Glenn Pendlay over at www.readthecore.com. Only the first part of Rippetoe's is available yet which is pretty much bio with more on programing for novice, int, advanced lifters from him and Glenn due next month. The direct link to the one from Glenn a few month's ago is here: http://www.readthecore.com/200503/reynolds-glenn-pendlay.htm

This is my thread in the training section that covers a lot of topics: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375215

Here's a very solid workout that's put tons of weight on people over the years - you'll note the similarities between Bill Starr and Rippetoe's methods. Glenn Pendlay also uses very similar methods on his lifters: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4497774&postcount=15

This is probably the only post I've written on nutrition and it's concerned solely with the nature of caloric excess and its absolute requirement to gaining muscle. Given your low initial BF level and given that it was lower post cycle which means you sacrificed a lot of potential LBM gains it's worth a read: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4866519&postcount=465

If you have questions, ask in the training forum. Make use of what you will. Hope it's helpful in some way.
 
Madcow2 said:
Weekly Mg tally for all anabolics:
Week 1 425mg (175 dbol + 250 sust)
Week 2 425mg (175 dbol + 250 sust)
Week 3 425mg (175 dbol + 250 sust)
Week 4 775mg (175 dbol + 250 sust + 350 tren)
Week 5 775mg (175 dbol + 250 sust + 350 tren)
Week 6 1125mg (175 dbol + 250 sust + 350 tren + 350 win)*
Week 7 950mg (250 sust + 350 tren + 350 win)
Week 8 950mg (250 sust + 350 tren + 350 win)
Week 9 950mg (250 sust + 350 tren + 350 win)
Week 10 950mg (250 sust + 350 tren + 350 win)

* = not sure if you wrote it write with dbol and winny overlapping, if dbol dropped then 950mg



I don't know what you consider low dosages but I assure you that world championships and olympic medals have been won on lower mg per week. To add some perspective, in all of the cycles I've run (granted this was over a lot of years and quite a while back - still human physiology hasn't evolved in a decade or so) I've never exceeded 1 gram. I can say the same for a friend who was one of the better lifters in the country for a number of years (could put 500 overhead, front squat > 600, clean 480). I can go on but the point is that this is just to add some perspective on what are low dosages and what aren't and these aren't and definitely not for a first cycle.

I'd focus on eating a lot more and improving the big lifts. You might consider ordering Rippetoe's book Starting Strength (www.startingstrength.com). He's one of the better people in the country at adding weight to novice lifters - routinely getting 30-40lbs on an athlete in the first 6 months. Here's an overview on his squatting program and progression for the first year: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4658227&postcount=235. There are interviews with him and Glenn Pendlay over at www.readthecore.com. Only the first part of Rippetoe's is available yet which is pretty much bio with more on programing for novice, int, advanced lifters from him and Glenn due next month. The direct link to the one from Glenn a few month's ago is here: http://www.readthecore.com/200503/reynolds-glenn-pendlay.htm

This is my thread in the training section that covers a lot of topics: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375215

Here's a very solid workout that's put tons of weight on people over the years - you'll note the similarities between Bill Starr and Rippetoe's methods. Glenn Pendlay also uses very similar methods on his lifters: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4497774&postcount=15

This is probably the only post I've written on nutrition and it's concerned solely with the nature of caloric excess and its absolute requirement to gaining muscle. Given your low initial BF level and given that it was lower post cycle which means you sacrificed a lot of potential LBM gains it's worth a read: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4866519&postcount=465

If you have questions, ask in the training forum. Make use of what you will. Hope it's helpful in some way.
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Madcow- Holy shit bro. What a great post! Tons of great info. Thanks alot. I will definatly be doing more reading. K to ya! :chomp:


BTW - When I mentioned "lower dosages" I mean in comparision to most of te fellas on this forum...
 
FBodyGuy02 said:
Madcow- Holy shit bro. What a great post! Tons of great info. Thanks alot. I will definatly be doing more reading. K to ya! :chomp:


BTW - When I mentioned "lower dosages" I mean in comparision to most of te fellas on this forum...
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There's a lot but take a browse through the weighttraining forum and you'll find a number of people using these programs now. Many naturals have put on 10-20lbs in 10 weeks - a lot of them have had years of experience and a number have used drugs before so we aren't talking a population of rank beginners. One guy comes to mind, Jim Quini who's journal is here: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=391939. It starts at weak 6 with him only up 4-5 pounds (still not bad and almost 1lb per week). Somebody was nice enough to tally up his calories and let him on to the fact that he wasn't eating enough. That was April 18th. Now July 8th he's around 203ish with serious increases in all the core lifts

This isn't really out of the norm either although obviously everybody is going to be different - hell one guy is eating 4500 cals per day and all his lifts have gone up significantly. Unfortunately, his activity level from his new job is so high he's not putting on muscle or even fat (so that means ALL 4500 calories are used for maintaining current weight and activity). His job is scaling back now and he's more accustomed to it but obviously there's only so much you can do and there will always be varriance. Still, overwhelmingly very very few haven't put on serious weight, those that haven't didn't gain fat either so it's simply a diet/activity issue, and there is no one that didn't experience very significant strength increases.

You'll find plenty of other training journals too. If you have questions just ask, myself or any number of people can help you.

One bit of advice though. Get yourself fully recovered and through PCT first because your system won't be able to handle the workload. The best way to maintain your gains post cycle is to eat a lot (notice the trend), lower your total volume/frequency but keep intensity (%1RM - so the amount of weight on the bar) high. Meaning that you might be doing 5x5 with 4 exercises in a day 3 days a weak (just an example) but now you scale the exercises down to 2-3 at the most and use 3x3. Maybe even drop a day. Pushing heavy weight will allow you to maintain as much performance as possible while allowing for recovery and not overimposing on your compromised hormonal system with lower volume and workload. This is basically periodization synchronized with your anabolic cycle. Once you get back in the swing, implement some of the stuff I linked above - that should give you some time to read up and get setup properly.

Good Luck!
 
FBodyGuy02 said:
Dude. WTF? It's people like you that run this forum into shit. Posts like this discourage other from learning form other people past experiences, mistakes or not. Ease up man, don't take this shit so personally...I'm not trying to dis anyone on this board at all.

By telling me "I think you have to put in your time in and learn how to train and eat properly and put some size on yourself before you hit the roids." is not going to change anything. I am an adult, and I can make my own decisions in life. I feel strongly about this :) ...So quit yo bitchin', thanks. :nopity:

--FBG

Thanks to everyone with the positive feedback and advice.
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So people like me who try to encourage and teach noobs to learn to train hard and eat properly before injecting and ingesting dangerous substances that could harm themselves and they don't understand are "running this board to shit"... interesting. I should have kept my mouth shut.
VW
 
Madcow2 said:
Weekly Mg tally for all anabolics:
Week 1 425mg (175 dbol + 250 sust)
Week 2 425mg (175 dbol + 250 sust)
Week 3 425mg (175 dbol + 250 sust)
Week 4 775mg (175 dbol + 250 sust + 350 tren)
Week 5 775mg (175 dbol + 250 sust + 350 tren)
Week 6 1125mg (175 dbol + 250 sust + 350 tren + 350 win)*
Week 7 950mg (250 sust + 350 tren + 350 win)
Week 8 950mg (250 sust + 350 tren + 350 win)
Week 9 950mg (250 sust + 350 tren + 350 win)
Week 10 950mg (250 sust + 350 tren + 350 win)

* = not sure if you wrote it write with dbol and winny overlapping, if dbol dropped then 950mg



I don't know what you consider low dosages but I assure you that world championships and olympic medals have been won on lower mg per week. To add some perspective, in all of the cycles I've run (granted this was over a lot of years and quite a while back - still human physiology hasn't evolved in a decade or so) I've never exceeded 1 gram. I can say the same for a friend who was one of the better lifters in the country for a number of years (could put 500 overhead, front squat > 600, clean 480). I can go on but the point is that this is just to add some perspective on what are low dosages and what aren't and these aren't and definitely not for a first cycle.

I'd focus on eating a lot more and improving the big lifts. You might consider ordering Rippetoe's book Starting Strength (www.startingstrength.com). He's one of the better people in the country at adding weight to novice lifters - routinely getting 30-40lbs on an athlete in the first 6 months. Here's an overview on his squatting program and progression for the first year: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4658227&postcount=235. There are interviews with him and Glenn Pendlay over at www.readthecore.com. Only the first part of Rippetoe's is available yet which is pretty much bio with more on programing for novice, int, advanced lifters from him and Glenn due next month. The direct link to the one from Glenn a few month's ago is here: http://www.readthecore.com/200503/reynolds-glenn-pendlay.htm

This is my thread in the training section that covers a lot of topics: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375215

Here's a very solid workout that's put tons of weight on people over the years - you'll note the similarities between Bill Starr and Rippetoe's methods. Glenn Pendlay also uses very similar methods on his lifters: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4497774&postcount=15

This is probably the only post I've written on nutrition and it's concerned solely with the nature of caloric excess and its absolute requirement to gaining muscle. Given your low initial BF level and given that it was lower post cycle which means you sacrificed a lot of potential LBM gains it's worth a read: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4866519&postcount=465

If you have questions, ask in the training forum. Make use of what you will. Hope it's helpful in some way.
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Great post... K to you!
VW
 
Tux said:
Good improvements bro, but no way in HELL you're near 5% bodyfat. 8% more like it.
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EXACTLY TUX!!!

Whoever tested you--needs to get better educated or his meters need calibrating....either 4.2 is NO WHERE NEAR accurate.....

(Still look good and ready to bust out---dont get me wrong---just not 4.2 or whatever....probably more like 8% (which is still great).....


Here bro--this is 4.5% BODYFAT....
 
van_wilder said:
So people like me who try to encourage and teach noobs to learn to train hard and eat properly before injecting and ingesting dangerous substances that could harm themselves and they don't understand are "running this board to shit"... interesting. I should have kept my mouth shut.
VW
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Van Wilder - My comment was reffering to your post. I see your point, but the way you said it was just kinda irratating. For example: Saying that I am dis-respecting others is 100% untrue. I have no intentions of doing that. This thread was started becuase I am happy with my results and wanted to share with others. I got replys with suggestions on how to improve, and then I get replys like yours saying "I shouldn't have juiced..." Those are the kind of posts that are pointless beucase it is already AFTER the fact.

Unlike your post, MadCows delivers the same message and is actually informative.

Eitherway, thanks for your feedback. No hardfeelings.

Terminator - Ya I know... I got alot of work ahead of me. :)

Tux & Will be Huge - Yeah, I have come to the conclusion that that test was highly inaccurate. Oh well...for what it's worth, I still look good though. ;)
 
will b huge said:
EXACTLY TUX!!!

Whoever tested you--needs to get better educated or his meters need calibrating....either 4.2 is NO WHERE NEAR accurate.....

(Still look good and ready to bust out---dont get me wrong---just not 4.2 or whatever....probably more like 8% (which is still great).....


Here bro--this is 4.5% BODYFAT....
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i spent most of my life around 4-5% and i never passed out. only time i get anywhere even close to 10 is when i'm on a bulker.
 
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