Help needed ! Cutting Cycle, Confused between compounds !

[lonewolf1990]

Hello Lifters,

I want to start a cutting cycle. I actually didnt wanted to go on steroids for cutting but after all the efforts it looks like I am loosing muscle at the end of the day alongwith Fat which I dont want and which noone wants obviously.

Some stats : I am a little short height-ed at 5'6. weight varies 64 kg - 65 kg. Was at 67 kg a month before I started cutting. at 17.5% BF (measured with handheld electronic scale)

Been Lifting since almost 5 years and gained quite a bit mass (was underweight before).

I usually eat around 2500 Cal a day with around 180 g protein. While cutting i am at around 1800.


Steroid info :

Have Done 2 cycles before with a gap of a year (once a year)

1. DBOL oral only 4 weeks (extremely satisfied)

2. Test + DBOL 10 weeks (not so satisfied)


Somehow I did not make a lot of gains and took a lot of time recovering in my last pinning cycle which makes me paranoid for doing it again. Inspite of following and researching everything.

Now I am looking at cutting some body fat with current mass maintenance. or gain some lean body mass if possible.

I have 2 possible cycles in consideration -

cycle - 1 -

Winny Only + Albuterol 6 weeks

week 1 - 6 - winny 30/40 mg per day depending on the outcome

Albuterol 12 mg/ Day for first 2 and last 2 weeks

PCT- clomid 50/50/25/25


cycle - 2 -

Week 1 - 6 -

Sustanon 500 mg/ week injected on every monday (actually need to ask if i can inject all the 500 mg at once)

Adex .25 mg / week every wed

Week 5-8

winny - 30 mg

Albuterol - 12 mg / day 2 week on - 2 week off

HCG - 10000 IU / spread evenly

Week 9 - 12

PCT - Clomid 50/50/20/20

Week 1 - 12 -

Finasteride - to protect hairloss
Glucosamine
Thyrox 25 - I have subclinical hypothyroid

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should I go for the first option ? - looks neat, short and simple with lesser complications.

Please advise on the same. thanks.

 

[stevesmi]

bud your stats aren't very good

140 pounds at 17% body fat tells me right off the bat you have little muscle on your frame. your diet macro's seem decent for someone your weight but man are you putting in the hours in the gym? i ask this because neither option is a good idea until you build consistency

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

I would not run any of those. I would focus on eating the right foods every single day and exercising. Not only do you have some fat to cut but you need to build up a ton more muscle before using any gear. You will just end up spinning your wheels if you don't get those things nailed first.

 

[Lev Butlerov]

I was going to give corrections to those cycles, but both of them are really messed up, and I would end up changing everything in them. You need to do some research, and keep things simple. Don't underestimate the importance of using all the right ancillaries.

Also, avoid using such potent stims as clenbuterol and albuterol - they will only make you lose even more muscle mass, and they will not contribute to keeping of muscle mass. These stims will cause a spike in cortisol - the stress hormone, which makes people lose muscle mass.

 

[muskate]

I agree with @lev buterlov

The cycle lay outs you currently have planned are horrible. Do some more research and start from scratch.

Try listening to the evolutionary radio podcast -> https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
You can read up on different steroid profiles and cycle lay outs here -> https://www.evolutionary.org/steroids/

Before you even touch steroids, I would do a couple cycle of SARMS. SARMS are much better then steroids for burning body fat anyways. Check out this video I made on what SARMS are and how they work -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/new-video-sarms-explained-46877.html

 

[lonewolf1990]

bud your stats aren't very good

140 pounds at 17% body fat tells me right off the bat you have little muscle on your frame. your diet macro's seem decent for someone your weight but man are you putting in the hours in the gym? i ask this because neither option is a good idea until you build consistency

Thanks for the advise buddy! I am training regularly and eating clean since almost 3-4 years now. Have quite some muscle mass on the small frame. I also do kick boxing. Training almost 4 times a week with weights and 3 times with my kick boxing practice.

 

[lonewolf1990]

Thanks for the advice buddy ! SARMS aren't easily available in the place I live. I will surely go through the links you have posted.

 

[lonewolf1990]

I was going to give corrections to those cycles, but both of them are really messed up, and I would end up changing everything in them. You need to do some research, and keep things simple. Don't underestimate the importance of using all the right ancillaries.

Also, avoid using such potent stims as clenbuterol and albuterol - they will only make you lose even more muscle mass, and they will not contribute to keeping of muscle mass. These stims will cause a spike in cortisol - the stress hormone, which makes people lose muscle mass.

I did some research but looks like it's not enough. I will surely do more. But I would really appreciate if you can make some corrections based on your experience and get me going with it .

 

[lonewolf1990]

Also folks, I am 27, working out since almost 6 years and in a good shape, just that at my height, you can't expect a weight above 200 lbs ...... I am already at my natural limits. Gaining muscle without adding fat is difficult. Peace !!! Please help me with correct compounds, i would really appreciate that. I want to reach my goals. Thanks.

 

[lonewolf1990]

Also I forgot to mention liv 52 in my initial query. I am definitely adding that for liver protection.

 

[lonewolf1990]

Anyone ?

 

[stevesmi]

Also folks, I am 27, working out since almost 6 years and in a good shape, just that at my height, you can't expect a weight above 200 lbs ...... I am already at my natural limits. Gaining muscle without adding fat is difficult. Peace !!! Please help me with correct compounds, i would really appreciate that. I want to reach my goals. Thanks.

brother you aren't at your natural limits man.. trust me on that

but if you insist on running this cycle go for it, the problem is you will end up spinning your wheels until you get your diet and training on point anyway

 

[muskate]

If you are adamant on using steroids - A simple testosterone cycle of 10-12 weeks at 400-500mg/week is your best option for a first cycle. Being new to steroids, your body will hyper respond and you don't need a very aggressive cycle. It's very similar to an 18 year old having their first drink. A single drink really hits them because they have never drank before. However, a more experienced drinker would need much more alcohol to get the same effect.

Check out this video I made on how to run a first steroid cycle -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqBLCSaKsW4


In this article series I explain how to do injections -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...er-injection-techniques-–-part-2-a-49351.html


Here's what I recommend:


Weeks 1 - 10
testosterone e or cyp 500mg/week (inject 250mg twice per week)
aromasin 12.5mg every other day <- very important to prevent against estrogen related side effects like gyno and water retention.


After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[Lev Butlerov]

I did some research but looks like it's not enough. I will surely do more. But I would really appreciate if you can make some corrections based on your experience and get me going with it .

If you want to cut, I would suggest the following cycle for you given the compounds that you seem to have:

Weeks 1-12-14
Sutanon - 500 mgs per week
Aromasin 10 mgs EOD or Arimidex 0.5 mgs EOD from the first day of the cycle.
Winstrol during the last 6 weeks of the cycle at 50 mgs ED
N2Guard for liver support while taking winny
Cardarine GW at 10 mgs ED from the first day of the cycle right into the PCT, and take it during the PCT as well.

For PCT, run the perfect PCT protocol, or something close to it - https://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

You are definitely not at your genetic limit. What I think is going on is that you have to master diet still. I would definitely cut first and then go for a bulk. This will get you the base. Great cycles above should you decide to run it anyways.