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just got some anybody have any feedback or experience with it?
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iceman7230
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Yummy!
Get ready for strengh through the roof!
I wouldn't take more than 20mgs ed to start, good luck air!
Get ready for strengh through the roof!
I wouldn't take more than 20mgs ed to start, good luck air!
airsmith2k
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iceman7230 said:
yeah started yesterday i notice they are fuckin my stomach and appetite but for some reason every oral does it sucks for me
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airsmith2k said:
super for strenght and aggression...powerlifters and fighters love it.
Take it with milk or yogurt if you have a sensative Tum-Tum.
Halo is like C4. You will feel like you can throw your car across the street within 7-10 days Only run it in short cycles 4 weeks TOPS @ 20 mg/day.
It is on par with Tren ....only stronger.
Halo is like C4. You will feel like you can throw your car across the street within 7-10 days Only run it in short cycles 4 weeks TOPS @ 20 mg/day.
It is on par with Tren ....only stronger.
P4D2A022 said:
Any more than 20-30mg/ED and your liver might look like a Sweet Potato,
or Candied Yam.
You might decide to CHEW the tires off your car. It's really not THAT intense. But you will sure as FUCK will feel quite confident.
airsmith2k
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yeah im already runnin 100 a day of tren ace with a ton of test and hgh and now i got these evil halotestin pill sittin rite in front of me
theblondebomber
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its been years ago but it made me very aggressive.
broganlikehogan
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i used it last 3 weeks of tren eth cycle 20mg one in the morning and one in after noon it kicked in right away but look out you think tren mood is bad halo and tren will turn you in to a phyco for real but the stuff is worth it if you can handle it take some milk thistle i got some from wallmart for 6 bucks have fun and dont kill anyone lol
make sure you do not run another oral at the same time or go on a lost weekend bender, and keep the water intake up-------and if there is a situation that you know will get you angry just avoid it.
halfcenturian said:Any more than 20-30mg/ED and your liver might look like a Sweet Potato,
or Candied Yam.
You might decide to CHEW the tires off your car. It's really not THAT intense. But you will sure as FUCK will feel quite confident.
as opposed to people who take 150-200mg anadrol daily without problems, halo ain't gonna do that to your liver. just sayin.
airsmith, keep this thread updated bro. I wanna hear your halo experience.
Vasularity with Anavar is like wearing a garden hose wrapped around your body.
I never use it more then once ayear, but it is TRULY Amazing. Short pop 3-4 weeks at the end of acutter.
Take your liver gaurd supps - maybe even a week prior.
Mind your temper.
This compound has an anabolic rating of 1900. That is not a typo.
Halotestin (fluoxymesterone)
Anabolic Steroids Profile <-- Return to Main Profiles Page
Halotestin
(fluoxymesterone)
Halotestin (Fluoxymesteron) is legendary among powerlifters and strength athletes. The mere word conjures up images of little mint colored pills that turn Dr. Jeckyl instantly into Mr.Hyde. Since I´m generally Mr.Hyde 24/7 this isn´t of much concern to me.. but lets see what else Halotestin can do for us.
If you´re anything like me, the first thing you´ll notice is Halotestin´s absurd Anabolic and Androgenic rating. This stuff is 19x as anabolic as testosterone and 8.5x as androgenic! Whoa! I have to admit, those numbers are a bit deceiving, and through personal experience, I can say that Halotestin will not put anywhere near as much muscle on you as testosterone. Let´s take a closer look at Halo and see what kind of realistic effects we can expect from it, and what kind of side effects we´ll be dealing with.
Firstly, I have to admit that I love this stuff, and generally its use in athletics and powerlifting is far more pronounced than it´s use in bodybuilding, where it is basically a one-trick-wonder used in the final weeks before a contest to harden up an already lean physique and give the user some added aggression during the final calorie depleted workouts before a contest. Halo has no estrogenic activity, and thus will not cause any kind of water retention or most of the bad effects associated with estrogen. It is however hepatoxic (liver toxic) (13) and I recommend keeping doses at or around 40mgs/day for a maximum of 4-6 weeks. If you are using it for it´s pronounced effect on aggression, you can simply use 10mgs prior to a workout, I personally prefer 10mgs upon rising and 10mgs prior to a workout, during the most intense weeks of a bulking or cutting cycle. This does (as you will see later) can be used with minimum HPTA inhibition.
Effects of Halotestin
Halotestin also has a volumizing effect on the physique, and for those with low a body fat percentage, this will cause an immediately more contest ready appearance. This is due, at least in part, to Halo´s ability to increase mean hematocrit with and hemoglobin level as well as red cell mass (4)(5)(6). Halotestin also appears to act through cells already committed to respond to erythropoietin (11), which is good news for athletes, of course. As you can see, Halo has quite a profound effect on red blood cell production, and this action is clearly one of the most obvious mechanisms by which it is thought to exert its effects with regards to increasing strength and energy levels. It also points to the possibility of using it for athletics and sports where a high VO2 max is needed, such as Rugby, Mixed Martial Arts, etc..
It also exerts its effects on strength and fat loss by both regulation of fatty acid oxidation in the liver and fast-twitch muscle mitochondria (2). Oddly, for a drug which exerts such a nice anabolic effect, and promotes such good strength gains, it has a pretty low Androgen Receptor Binding affinity (14).. I suppose, in this respect it can be compared to Winstrol (Stanozolol).
As far as strength and agression goes, Halo is a great drug. It is especially useful on a cutting or strength cycle. It´s use for mass and weight gains have been pretty disappointing for most users, however.
Fluoxymesterone administration is (unfortunately) accompanied by a reduction in thyroid binding globulin which causes associated decreases in T3, while the free T4 index remained totally unaltered; thus implying that thyroid function was unchanged. Remember, many anabolic steroids (notably Trenbolone) lower your T3 levels. In addition, during fluoxymesterone administration, there was a reduction in testosterone, gonadotropins and LH response to LHRH. Basal TSH did not vary, but there was a reduction in the peak and integrated TSH response to TRH. PRL levels tend to remain unchanged during fluoxymesterone use (8). Halo is of course suppressive to your HPTA, but I´ve found that in some studies where measurements were made of serum FSH, LH, testosterone, up to 20mgs per day of Halo did not suppress them measurably (9). This could possibly indicate the use of up to 20mgs/day of Halotestin without being in any great danger of suppressing endogenous hormones.
Halotestin as Steroid
Anyway, Halotestin is a testosterone derived steroid, and has an 11-beta group attached to it to inhibit aromatization, although it is particularly prone to being 5-alpha-reduced and may thus cause DHT related side effects, such as acne and hair loss. It is metabolized primarily by 6 beta-hydroxylation, 4-ene-reduction, 3-keto-reduction, and 11-hydroxy-oxidation. We know this by the identification of 4 particular metabolites and the tentative identification of at least 3 other metabolites. Detection of Halo in urine is possible for at least 5 days after a single 10 mg oral dose to previously untreated adult males, by monitoring the presence of 2 metabolites, since the parent drug is not detectable more than 1 day after the dose(12). However, the moral-compass of the athletic world, the IOC, has developed a test for fluoxymesterone metabolites that will detect them for up to 2 months after cessation of use.
This item is not in high demand in bodybuilding except for as a pre-contest drug, and would more likely be found circulating in Athletic and Powerlifting circles, where it is more commonly used in a cycle.
Halotestin (Fluoxymesteron) Profile
[9-alpha-fluoro-11-beta-hydroxy-17-alpha-methyl-4-androstene-3-one,17b-ol]
Molecular Weight: 336.4457
Formula: C20 H29 F O3
Melting Point: 240C
Manufacturer: Upjohn, Various
Date Released: 1957
Effective Dose:10-40mgs/day
Active life:6-8 hours
Detection Time: 2 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:1,900/850
References:
Treatment with anabolic steroids increases the activity of the mitochondrial outer carnitine palmitoyltransferase in rat liver and fast-twitch muscle. Biochem Pharmacol. 1991 Mar 1;41(5):833-5.
Effects of synthetic androgen fluoxymesterone on triglyceride secretion rates in the rat.Proc Soc Exp Biol Med. 1975 Jun;149(2):452-4.
Metabolism of anabolic steroids in humans: synthesis of 6 beta-hydroxy metabolites of 4-chloro-1,2-dehydro-17 alpha-methyltestosterone, fluoxymesterone, and metandienone. Steroids. 1995 Apr;60(4):353-66.
Influence of fluoxymesterone on in vitro erythropoiesis affected by leukemic cells.Exp Hematol. 1984 Mar;12(3):171-6.
[Erythropoietin in serum and urine in healthy persons and patients with chronic renal disease upon hypoxic stimulation and hypoxic stimulation after pretreatment with fluoxymesterone (author´s transl)]
Fluoxymesterone therapy in anemia of patients on maintenance hemodialysis: comparison between patients with kidneys and anephric patients. J Dial. 1977;1(4):357-66
Combination hormonal therapy with tamoxifen plus fluoxymesterone versus tamoxifen alone in postmenopausal women with metastatic breast cancer. An updated analysis.Cancer. 1991 Feb 15;67(4):886-91.
Effect of non aromatizable androgens on LHRH and TRH responses in primary testicular failure.Horm Metab Res. 1984 Sep;16(9):492-7.
The effect of synthetic androgens on the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis in boys with constitutionally delayed growth. J Pediatr. 1979 Apr;94(4):657-62.
The effect of synthetic androgens on the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis in boys with constitutionally delayed growth. J Pediatr. 1979 Apr;94(4):657-62.
Steroids and hematopoiesis. II. The effect of steroids on in vitro erythroid colony growth: evidence for different target cells for different classes of steroids. J Cell Physiol. 1976 Jun;88(2):135-43.
Testing for fluoxymesterone (Halotestin) administration to man: identification of urinary metabolites by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry. J Steroid Biochem. 1990 Aug 28;36(6):659-66.
Toxic effects of anabolic-androgenic steroids in primary rat hepatic cell cultures. J Pharmacol Toxicol Methods. 1995 Aug;33(4):187-95.
Relative binding affinity of anabolic-androgenic steroids: comparison of the binding to the androgen receptors in skeletal muscle and in prostate, as well as to sex hormone-binding globulin.Endocrinology. 1984 Jun;114(6):2100-6.
The relationship of androgen to the thyrotropin and prolactin responses to thyrotropin-releasing hormone in hypogonadal and normal men. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1981 Feb;52(2):173-6.
*cut and pasted from steroid.com
I never use it more then once ayear, but it is TRULY Amazing. Short pop 3-4 weeks at the end of acutter.
Take your liver gaurd supps - maybe even a week prior.
Mind your temper.
This compound has an anabolic rating of 1900. That is not a typo.
Halotestin (fluoxymesterone)
Anabolic Steroids Profile <-- Return to Main Profiles Page
Halotestin
(fluoxymesterone)
Halotestin (Fluoxymesteron) is legendary among powerlifters and strength athletes. The mere word conjures up images of little mint colored pills that turn Dr. Jeckyl instantly into Mr.Hyde. Since I´m generally Mr.Hyde 24/7 this isn´t of much concern to me.. but lets see what else Halotestin can do for us.
If you´re anything like me, the first thing you´ll notice is Halotestin´s absurd Anabolic and Androgenic rating. This stuff is 19x as anabolic as testosterone and 8.5x as androgenic! Whoa! I have to admit, those numbers are a bit deceiving, and through personal experience, I can say that Halotestin will not put anywhere near as much muscle on you as testosterone. Let´s take a closer look at Halo and see what kind of realistic effects we can expect from it, and what kind of side effects we´ll be dealing with.
Firstly, I have to admit that I love this stuff, and generally its use in athletics and powerlifting is far more pronounced than it´s use in bodybuilding, where it is basically a one-trick-wonder used in the final weeks before a contest to harden up an already lean physique and give the user some added aggression during the final calorie depleted workouts before a contest. Halo has no estrogenic activity, and thus will not cause any kind of water retention or most of the bad effects associated with estrogen. It is however hepatoxic (liver toxic) (13) and I recommend keeping doses at or around 40mgs/day for a maximum of 4-6 weeks. If you are using it for it´s pronounced effect on aggression, you can simply use 10mgs prior to a workout, I personally prefer 10mgs upon rising and 10mgs prior to a workout, during the most intense weeks of a bulking or cutting cycle. This does (as you will see later) can be used with minimum HPTA inhibition.
Effects of Halotestin
Halotestin also has a volumizing effect on the physique, and for those with low a body fat percentage, this will cause an immediately more contest ready appearance. This is due, at least in part, to Halo´s ability to increase mean hematocrit with and hemoglobin level as well as red cell mass (4)(5)(6). Halotestin also appears to act through cells already committed to respond to erythropoietin (11), which is good news for athletes, of course. As you can see, Halo has quite a profound effect on red blood cell production, and this action is clearly one of the most obvious mechanisms by which it is thought to exert its effects with regards to increasing strength and energy levels. It also points to the possibility of using it for athletics and sports where a high VO2 max is needed, such as Rugby, Mixed Martial Arts, etc..
It also exerts its effects on strength and fat loss by both regulation of fatty acid oxidation in the liver and fast-twitch muscle mitochondria (2). Oddly, for a drug which exerts such a nice anabolic effect, and promotes such good strength gains, it has a pretty low Androgen Receptor Binding affinity (14).. I suppose, in this respect it can be compared to Winstrol (Stanozolol).
As far as strength and agression goes, Halo is a great drug. It is especially useful on a cutting or strength cycle. It´s use for mass and weight gains have been pretty disappointing for most users, however.
Fluoxymesterone administration is (unfortunately) accompanied by a reduction in thyroid binding globulin which causes associated decreases in T3, while the free T4 index remained totally unaltered; thus implying that thyroid function was unchanged. Remember, many anabolic steroids (notably Trenbolone) lower your T3 levels. In addition, during fluoxymesterone administration, there was a reduction in testosterone, gonadotropins and LH response to LHRH. Basal TSH did not vary, but there was a reduction in the peak and integrated TSH response to TRH. PRL levels tend to remain unchanged during fluoxymesterone use (8). Halo is of course suppressive to your HPTA, but I´ve found that in some studies where measurements were made of serum FSH, LH, testosterone, up to 20mgs per day of Halo did not suppress them measurably (9). This could possibly indicate the use of up to 20mgs/day of Halotestin without being in any great danger of suppressing endogenous hormones.
Halotestin as Steroid
Anyway, Halotestin is a testosterone derived steroid, and has an 11-beta group attached to it to inhibit aromatization, although it is particularly prone to being 5-alpha-reduced and may thus cause DHT related side effects, such as acne and hair loss. It is metabolized primarily by 6 beta-hydroxylation, 4-ene-reduction, 3-keto-reduction, and 11-hydroxy-oxidation. We know this by the identification of 4 particular metabolites and the tentative identification of at least 3 other metabolites. Detection of Halo in urine is possible for at least 5 days after a single 10 mg oral dose to previously untreated adult males, by monitoring the presence of 2 metabolites, since the parent drug is not detectable more than 1 day after the dose(12). However, the moral-compass of the athletic world, the IOC, has developed a test for fluoxymesterone metabolites that will detect them for up to 2 months after cessation of use.
This item is not in high demand in bodybuilding except for as a pre-contest drug, and would more likely be found circulating in Athletic and Powerlifting circles, where it is more commonly used in a cycle.
Halotestin (Fluoxymesteron) Profile
[9-alpha-fluoro-11-beta-hydroxy-17-alpha-methyl-4-androstene-3-one,17b-ol]
Molecular Weight: 336.4457
Formula: C20 H29 F O3
Melting Point: 240C
Manufacturer: Upjohn, Various
Date Released: 1957
Effective Dose:10-40mgs/day
Active life:6-8 hours
Detection Time: 2 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:1,900/850
References:
Treatment with anabolic steroids increases the activity of the mitochondrial outer carnitine palmitoyltransferase in rat liver and fast-twitch muscle. Biochem Pharmacol. 1991 Mar 1;41(5):833-5.
Effects of synthetic androgen fluoxymesterone on triglyceride secretion rates in the rat.Proc Soc Exp Biol Med. 1975 Jun;149(2):452-4.
Metabolism of anabolic steroids in humans: synthesis of 6 beta-hydroxy metabolites of 4-chloro-1,2-dehydro-17 alpha-methyltestosterone, fluoxymesterone, and metandienone. Steroids. 1995 Apr;60(4):353-66.
Influence of fluoxymesterone on in vitro erythropoiesis affected by leukemic cells.Exp Hematol. 1984 Mar;12(3):171-6.
[Erythropoietin in serum and urine in healthy persons and patients with chronic renal disease upon hypoxic stimulation and hypoxic stimulation after pretreatment with fluoxymesterone (author´s transl)]
Fluoxymesterone therapy in anemia of patients on maintenance hemodialysis: comparison between patients with kidneys and anephric patients. J Dial. 1977;1(4):357-66
Combination hormonal therapy with tamoxifen plus fluoxymesterone versus tamoxifen alone in postmenopausal women with metastatic breast cancer. An updated analysis.Cancer. 1991 Feb 15;67(4):886-91.
Effect of non aromatizable androgens on LHRH and TRH responses in primary testicular failure.Horm Metab Res. 1984 Sep;16(9):492-7.
The effect of synthetic androgens on the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis in boys with constitutionally delayed growth. J Pediatr. 1979 Apr;94(4):657-62.
The effect of synthetic androgens on the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis in boys with constitutionally delayed growth. J Pediatr. 1979 Apr;94(4):657-62.
Steroids and hematopoiesis. II. The effect of steroids on in vitro erythroid colony growth: evidence for different target cells for different classes of steroids. J Cell Physiol. 1976 Jun;88(2):135-43.
Testing for fluoxymesterone (Halotestin) administration to man: identification of urinary metabolites by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry. J Steroid Biochem. 1990 Aug 28;36(6):659-66.
Toxic effects of anabolic-androgenic steroids in primary rat hepatic cell cultures. J Pharmacol Toxicol Methods. 1995 Aug;33(4):187-95.
Relative binding affinity of anabolic-androgenic steroids: comparison of the binding to the androgen receptors in skeletal muscle and in prostate, as well as to sex hormone-binding globulin.Endocrinology. 1984 Jun;114(6):2100-6.
The relationship of androgen to the thyrotropin and prolactin responses to thyrotropin-releasing hormone in hypogonadal and normal men. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1981 Feb;52(2):173-6.
*cut and pasted from steroid.com
airsmith2k
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yeah im takin 2 a day now 20mgs makin me really pissed off and angry but also doin 100 tren ace everyday with it isnt helpin lol
airsmith2k said:
A little edgy are we... FAGGOT !!!
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halfcenturian said:A little edgy are we... FAGGOT !!!
haha dick
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lilj888 said:
yeah been doin them for liek 4 days now 2morrow is bench day so well see what kind of strength gain if any i got so far
beachhead06
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yeah I curious about stacking halo with trenbolone that would be some insane strength, and motivation...
I would advise doing tren without Halo... But following Tren with it. Like...
1-8 tren
9-12 Halo
Those two at the same time are pretty liver toxic. But it's YOUR LIVER. I don't think there is any doubt they would be an awesome combo. But you could cause serious liver damage.....maybe.
1-8 tren
9-12 Halo
Those two at the same time are pretty liver toxic. But it's YOUR LIVER. I don't think there is any doubt they would be an awesome combo. But you could cause serious liver damage.....maybe.
airsmith2k
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halfcenturian said:I would advise doing tren without Halo... But following Tren with it. Like...
1-8 tren
9-12 Halo
Those two at the same time are pretty liver toxic. But it's YOUR LIVER. I don't think there is any doubt they would be an awesome combo. But you could cause serious liver damage.....maybe.
only got 50 10mg tabs so im takin 2 a day so i wont be on them very long
Great for strength.
beachhead06
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halfcenturian said:I would advise doing trenbolone without Halo... But following trenbolone with it. Like...
1-8 trenbolone
9-12 Halo
Those two at the same time are pretty liver toxic. But it's YOUR LIVER. I don't think there is any doubt they would be an awesome combo. But you could cause serious liver damage.....maybe.
Yea, even just Anavar with trenbolone is pretty liver toxic, I mean pi$$ing blood, turning your liver to swiss cheese, bad news bears! My friend has already learned the hard way that you only get one liver. But your idea to use Halo after the trenbolone is a bit more resonable. I'd hit you some K but I have to spread a little more around before I hit you again... LOL
Galaxy said:
I would not want to be around if you had a fit of rage, bro. You look like you could do some serious damage.
beachhead06 said:Yea, even just Anavar with trenbolone is pretty liver toxic, I mean pi$$ing blood, turning your liver to swiss cheese, bad news bears! My friend has already learned the hard way that you only get one liver. But your idea to use Halo after the trenbolone is a bit more resonable. I'd hit you some K but I have to spread a little more around before I hit you again... LOL
Anavar is not THAT liver toxic. Plus most people take Var for 6-8 weeks at fairly high doses 60-100mg/ED. Pissing blood on Var? - no fucking way.
I don't want 30 threads argueing that issue - but Var is like M&M's compared
to Halo. HOWEVER you only run Halo for 3-4 weeks. Just load up on fish oils and Niacin.
P4D2A022
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beachhead06 said:yeah I curious about stacking halo with trenbolone that would be some insane strength, and motivation...
yeah lol. hopefully one day ill have balls to run it. not if im married though! or in a serious relationship or something... id be careful of those tendons too!
beachhead06 said:Yea, even just Anavar with trenbolone is pretty liver toxic, I mean pi$$ing blood, turning your liver to swiss cheese, bad news bears! My friend has already learned the hard way that you only get one liver. But your idea to use Halo after the trenbolone is a bit more resonable. I'd hit you some K but I have to spread a little more around before I hit you again... LOL
Did he drink Methyl-Sulfuric acid?
lol
P4D2A022 said:
My standard base cycle always contains test...cyp or enan...so I was doing one of them at at about 750-1000mg per week...12 weeks max..
I dont go that high anymore...stay around 600mg....but stay on longer now...not sure if I'll run halo this go round though...also trying deca for the first time..
Keeping gains....hmmmm....You know...I started lifting in 1990...at 135lbs..and now...even with good PCT...hcg...clomid...nolvy...midway run of hcg...etc....I always loose alot of weight...BUT...I still feel I look better after each cycle...my typical off weight is about 170...then while on I get up to 180...but I stay extremly extremely lean so it looks night and day diff....but I always go back to 170 when off...I dont know 35lbs of kept weight over 18 yrs...pretty shitty...haha..
My genetics just suck I guess...haha....and my joints cant handle the wieght while off...
beachhead06
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halfcenturian said:
I stand corrected...
True liver toxicity is only a problem with extended use. pissing blood, well that’s a (bit) of an exaggeration , I'm just overly cautious of orals.
beachhead06 said:I stand corrected...
No, you bring up a very valid point. I never mix any orals, but you CAN follow one with another. This cycle I'm running Var for first 3 weeks with juice; Then just Tren/Test/ Mast for 6 weeks. Then Halo last 3-4 weeks with Test only. No Tren and Halo together. I think that's too far past the red line.
Regarding the simultaneous use of tren and halo... what are users trying to accomplish? How much extra aggression do you need to work out or compete? If the two have additive effects on aggression, why would that make you perform better? I find I perform best when I am motivated, but find anger muddles my head and makes me less effective in exercise performance and daily life performance, yet it seems some of you guys want to embrace that irrational state. Perhaps anger affects you differently than me though.
I don't mean this to be judgmental. I'm legitimately curious as to whether or not maddening rage can be converted into elevated performance as I am not experienced with various AAS. What are users of tren and halo together going to achieve that they couldn't achieve just using one or the other instead of both? At times there seems like there is a macho AAS pissing contest going on to see who can consume the greatest amount and variety of drugs: test as base, tren for hardness and aggression, equipoise for veins, deca to increase intramuscular fat, winny to dry you out and provide anti-progesterone effects for the tren and deca, oxandrolone to increase abdominal fat burning, and halo because the aggression from the tren isn't enough... I think there must be a point of diminishing returns for gains. Unfortunately there isn't a point of diminishing returns for toxicity and damage until you reach a lethal level.
I don't mean this to be judgmental. I'm legitimately curious as to whether or not maddening rage can be converted into elevated performance as I am not experienced with various AAS. What are users of tren and halo together going to achieve that they couldn't achieve just using one or the other instead of both? At times there seems like there is a macho AAS pissing contest going on to see who can consume the greatest amount and variety of drugs: test as base, tren for hardness and aggression, equipoise for veins, deca to increase intramuscular fat, winny to dry you out and provide anti-progesterone effects for the tren and deca, oxandrolone to increase abdominal fat burning, and halo because the aggression from the tren isn't enough... I think there must be a point of diminishing returns for gains. Unfortunately there isn't a point of diminishing returns for toxicity and damage until you reach a lethal level.
Well your only dosing about 20% on a mg to mg basis compared to testosterone so it makes perfect sense...
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