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Gym Rules 101: A question about gym etiquette - weigh in with your opinion

Area5150

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I have 2 questions for the reader. Both questions will appear at the end of this post. This matter deals with gym etiquette. For reference, here's how the dictionary defines etiquette:

a) the conduct or procedure required by good breeding or prescribed by authority to be observed in social or official life

b) conventional requirements as to social behavior; proprieties of conduct as established in any class or community or for any occasion

c) the practices and forms prescribed by social convention or by authority

This incident that took place in a local gym and was at times heated and dramatic. At first the conversation was civil and proper, and then later it devolved into a full blown confrontation. I was a witness to it. After the two parties went their seperate ways, after the incident was diffused, I questioned a gym employee at length as to the details involving the matter. This incident involved 3 people, a party of two and one isolated individual. For reference, I'll be referring to the party of two as "double-guys". I'll be referring to the single individual as "single-guy". I'll first give a general synopsis as to what took place. And then I'll give a detailed account of what I saw and heard and what a club employee, the desk attendant on duty that morning, later related to me.

Synopsis:

It's 5:30 am on a weekday morning. Both double-guys are working out on a leg press machine. There is only one leg press machine of this type in the entire gym. Single-guy walks up and politely asks if they would allow him to work in on the machine. Both double-guys tell single-guy "No", that he'll have to wait and come back later when they're finished using the leg press.

Details:

After both double-guys tell single-guy that he can't work in on the unit, double-guys add that they need to keep their heart rate up and that is why single-guy should wait until they're done. Single-guy tells them that time is crucial, he points out that it's 5:30am, and that he has to be at work soon. Double-guys instruct single-guy to go use another machine elsewhere in the gym. Double-guys tell single-guy that "we're only gonna be on this machine for just 3 minutes and only 3 minutes."

Single-guy states that he can't use any other machine for his legs. Single-guy states that "This is the only leg press in the gym, and I need to use it, too. I can't use any other machine in the gym. This is my last excercise for the day". Both double-guys are adamant, they refuse to let single-guy work in on the leg press. And then double-guy #1 points to the clock and says, "You need to get to the gym earlier. And you need to go use another machine."

Single-guy then states, "Alright, so let me get this straight, you're blocking me from using the leg-press, right?" Double-guy #1 says, "That's right, we're blocking you." Single-guy states, "Well you know that's rude." Single-guy then turns around and walks away. Minutes later, single-guy returns accompanied by the gyms early morning desk attendant. Double-guys are still at the same machine exercising their quads, the same machine single-guy has a desire to use. Single-guy asks the gym attendant if he would instruct both double-guys to share the machine with him. The gym employee proceeds to question both parties as to the circumstances of the argument.

Follow up:

Much later, when both parties had gone their seperate ways, I had a conversation with the desk attendant. Single-guy stated to the eary morning desk attendant that he was under the care of a physical therapist for a recent knee injury. He had not had surgery, but was instead addressing the injury with physical therapy. Single-guy stated that he had seen a physical therapist 3 or 4 weeks prior to this incident. At the clinic, his p.t. gave him 4 or 5 excercises to perform. The bulk of those excercises were exercises that he could perform at home, without equipment. Two of those exercises involved gym equipment.

Of those two exercises, on the morning of the confrontation, single-guy had already performed one of them before he confronted double-guys. Of those two exercises, the second exercise required the use of the machine he asked the double-guys to share with him. Single-guy stated to the desk attendant that he had observed double-guys performing mulitiple sets of 10-12 repetitions on the machine that he was attempting to use.

At no time during the actual incident did I hear single-guy tell either double-guy #1 or double-guy #2 that he was rehabilitating a knee injury. Single-guy was not in a wheelchair, nor was he seen using crutches or a cane. Single-guy was not limping nor did his gait appear to be in any way affected by anything negative or out of the ordinary.

The desk attendant instructed single-guy to file a complaint to the gym manager during regular business hours. Single-guy stated that he wasn't sure if he would follow through with a formal complaint, but if he did, single-guy stated that, if asked, he would provide proof that he was under the care of a state board certified physical therapist, that he was in the early stages of a knee rehabilitation program, and that at this point in his rehabilitation program he was instructed to use only two types of gym equipment for his leg work. Single-guy stated that he was considering freezing his gym contract, which would have required him to provide the gym with documentation of an existing injury as certified by his doctor.

Single-guy told the desk attendant that if someone was blocking an upper body exercise machine, he would have used any one of the many other upper body machines in the facility, willingly and without hesitation. Single-guy stated that today was his leg day, and using an upper body machine was out of the question.

Single-guy asked the early morning desk attendant if blocking a leg machine for any reason whatsoever was tolerated, including that for the reason of keeping your heart rate up. The desk attendant informed single-guy that he wasn't sure what the gym policy was on blocking a piece of equipment and that is why he instructed single-guy to file a complaint with the gym manager when the g.m. shows up for work at 9am.

Question #1: How long have you been working out in gyms that cater to the public?

Question #2: Given the circumstances, do you think a gym should allow two (or maybe more) of their members to block another gym user who has a desire to use the same machine, in this case a leg press machine, for the sole purpose of keeping their heart rate up? Or, is blocking a machine for any reason permissable?

Queston #2 might be a tough question to answer. I'm having a tough time answering it. In arriving at an answer, I have to ask myself: is this issue primarily and solely a blocking issue? If so, then I would have to consider things like common courtesy, civility, manners and etiquette to arrive at an answer. Or is this issue more about personal goals? Specifically stated, a personal goal that involves the need for a person to keep their heart rate up during a specific exercise. If so, the aformentioned traits of common courtesy, civility and etiquette might still come into play. I'm still trying to formulate an answer to question #2. It's a tough one...
 
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Area5150 said:
Question #1: How long have you been working out in gyms that cater to the public? 17 years

Question #2: Given the circumstances, do you think a gym should allow two (or maybe more) of their members to block another gym user who has a desire to use the same machine, in this case a leg press machine, for the sole purpose of keeping their heart rate up? Or, is blocking a machine for any reason permissable? as long as there is a break inbetween the guys sets that would allow someone else to use the machine then he should be allowed to use it. however if these two guys had it loaded up with 800+ lbs and the other guy only needed 200 lbs. that becomes very time consuming to switch that weight out. i think then the other guy should wait. if this is an ongoing problem for this piece of equipment among many members then the gym should cater to the needs of its members and purchase another one.

Queston #2 might be a tough question to answer. I'm having a tough time answering it. In arriving at an answer, I have to ask myself: is this issue primarily and solely a blocking issue? If so, then I would have to consider things like common courtesy, civility, manners and etiquette to arrive at an answer. Or is this issue more about personal goals? Specifically stated, a personal goal that involves the need for a person to keep their heart rate up during a specific exercise. If so, the aformentioned traits of common courtesy, civility and etiquette might still come into play. I'm still trying to formulate an answer to question #2. It's a tough one... i think is a combination of several things: blocking, common courtesy/manners, & goals. perhaps if the guy explained the physical therapy and time issue perhaps they would of lightened up. i still think the 2 guys were being jerks at best (at least from the description).


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I like all threads that involve stupid activities at the gym. I may end up writing a novel one day about the ridiculous things I see when I work out. I'll weigh in on this topic and give some opinion

Q1 - I've worked out in public gyms for about 10 years
Q2 - Yes, I think Double guys were in their right to block the machine for HR reasons. Also, they were going to be off in 3 minutes, thats not much time even if they guy did have to get to work etc. I don't think it would have been fair to double guys to have to change the weights mid workout

In my personal opinion, Single Guy sounds like a real baby. He didn't tell double guys anything about his knee injury (not that it would matter in my opinion) and to go and complain like that is just ridiculous. If he had just waited the 3 minutes he would have been on the machine before he even got back with the desk employee.

I personally think we should have a sub forum just about stupid gym situations that we all see while training.
 
Seriously whenever I workout with a buddy, it's generally you go, I go, you go I go, there is no time for someone else, that RUINS my workout if I'm working out with someone else. so basically anyone can suck on my cock if they think they are going to ruin my workout because they can't wait three minutes. I think the double-guys where in the right. henc why when you ARENT on a piece of a equipment and need to work in with someone, you walk up to them and ASK them if it's alright if you work in. sometimes it's not alright for various reasons, sometimes it is ok.
 
I've declined people that have asked me to work in more than once. If you are using a peice of equipment and don't want to share, then they either have to respect your decision and wait, or go on to another movement.

I usually say no when I am doing heavy lifts and they want to share the rack. I say no because I don't want to be taking off and putting on weights every set while I'm supposed to be resting. Nor do they know what I want on and it is a hassle directing them.
 
Just sounds to me like single guy was being a dick about it, because it should just have gone something like this.

Single guy: Hey do you guys mind if I work in with you?

Double guys: Well, yea actually we are trying to keep our heart rates up, and limit our rest between sets. We'll be done soon though.

Single guy: Ok then I'll just wait.

(Single guy waits quietly in the corner, or skips this workout for today so double guys can finish up their sets. As opposed to arguing and wasting everyone's time and energy.)
 
Endo MD said:
Yes, I think Double guys were in their right to block the machine for HR reasons. Also, they were going to be off in 3 minutes, thats not much time even if they guy did have to get to work etc.

My thoughts exactly! Nail on the head!

On the flip side/what if this had happened on a weekday at 6pm? No matter where you turn every piece of equipment is being used at 6pm, especially in a fairly big city like Dallas or San Diego.

Figuratively speaking, every gym in America is packed wall-to-wall with people at that time of the day. It's inevitable, there will come a time when you want to use a machine that is being used by someone else. You can bank on it. It's bound to happen, especially on a weekday at 6pm in the U.S.

I get the fact that double-guys said they were only going to be 3 minutes with the machine. But a statement like that always sounds a little dubious to me. Dubious because I know pizza. Domino's says they'll have your pizza delivered to you in 15 or 20 minutes. Can you believe them? Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't. Best not to and if you do prepare to be disappointed.

What about the guy who parks in your parking spot either at home or at work. You know those situations when you pull into your spot some strangers car is sittin' in it? So you're sitting there trying to kill time waiting for them to move their car. You know what's coming. Call it "the one minute card." You've seen that card played out a few times before. So the driver comes out and when you confront them they say, "Hey I was just gonna be a minute, one lousy minute, that's all." One minute? Yeah, right.

Unless there's a timekeeper standing around somewhere keeping track of time with a stopwatch, sometimes 1 minute has a way of turning into 20 minutes is what I'm saying.

As for the double-guys, I didn't watch the clock. But it appeared as if they were on the machine for longer than 3 minutes. Single-guy conversed with one of the two double-guys that was not using the machine at the moment. Both double-guys were hopping on and off of the machine while single-guy stood standing. Their conversation alone must have lasted several minutes. Eventually, single-guy got tired of waiting and turned to go get a gym employee. It's a big gym. While single-guy went off to find a gym employee, the double-guys cranked away on the leg press. By the time single-guy and the desk attendant arrived back at the leg machine to talk to the double-guys, several more minutes had already passed.
 
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I have been working out at a Y for only 2 months now, but I had a recent irritating experience..I walked over to a bench, which was empty, removed weights on the bar, put the weights I needed on (5 minutes or so have past) I am getting ready to lift when some guy come up to me and says he wasn't done using the bench (he came from somewhere outside the workout area). I was completely caught off guard and suprised so I just let him have the bench back. I was extremely irritated the rest of the night. My attitude towards anyone at the gym has now changed due to this jacka$$. I this typical behavior?
 
brad34 said:
I have been working out at a Y for only 2 months now, but I had a recent irritating experience..I walked over to a bench, which was empty, removed weights on the bar, put the weights I needed on (5 minutes or so have past) I am getting ready to lift when some guy come up to me and says he wasn't done using the bench (he came from somewhere outside the workout area). I was completely caught off guard and suprised so I just let him have the bench back. I was extremely irritated the rest of the night. My attitude towards anyone at the gym has now changed due to this jacka$$. I this typical behavior?

Well, yes and no. No in that I don't see it that often. In fact I hardly ever see it.

Yes in that the desk attendant I spoke with at length said "conflicts" between gym members happens alot. Keep in mind he works there 6 to 8 hours a day, 4 to 6 days a week. This paticular desk attendant has been there for several years. He went on to say that many gym members are rude to him on a regular basis. He's not a personal trainer, he's a desk attendant. But he does have the body of a personal trainer, not that that should make any difference. I was sorry to hear that he is disrespected by the public o9n a regular basis as he appears to be a good guy. I was a little fascinated by all of his opinions as I don't work in the field of customer service.

Later that week I spoke with a personal trainer and when I asked him the same question he too said the same thing. Boy, that too was a surprise. I specifically asked him about "conflicts between gym members" and he said that there are many personality conflicts at the gym.

Again, that's all news to me, but they spend a lot more time at the gym than I do. Put another way, based on all my years of experience, I would say that conflicts at the gym are "extremely rare" or like looking for a needle in a haystack. Based on the two gym employees I spoke with, they described it as "a common occurence."

BTW, the gym I work out at is 24hr Fitness in San Diego and the number of guys who appear to be on gear is very, very small compared to other San Diego gyms I've worked out at.
 
Depends on who is asking to work in. If its two 16 year old kids or some middle aged dweeb that does cardio once a month then they can wait until I'm done. If it's some one I see around the gym and is as serious about working out as I am then I'll let him work in. People like that usually help load and de-load weghts which is a big plus.



I can't stand highschool kids going heavy as shit with no clips!!! Just a peeve of mine I wanted to share.
 
I only skimmed the posts, but here is my opinion (based on my 19 years of training - 17 in a commercial gym) on what I did absorb.
If two guys (strangers I assume) are actively using the machine then I'd use another, or ask how much time left untill they're finished with it. It's 3 minutes - I'd politely wait for up to 5 minutes, then start being slightly obnoxious in a non threatening way - i.e. spill my water, trip on their gym bag, ect. LOL.
If it's 2 guys joking around with a machine, then I'd ask to work in, and pile on the weights so they'd get tired and they'd leave. If they wouldn't let me work in and I had to wait more than 5 minutes I'd force my way onto the machine and they'd have to complain about me. Being a 300 pound world champion deadlifter has it's perks - I can win a who's the bigger asshole contest - lol. We have a side door to the alley, that I've never had to use, yet.
Under no circumstance's would I be the one complaining to management about member behavoir problems. To me that's snitching, and it's also failing to negotiate a solution of your own.
The solutions I've described are based on real life experiences and are very few, and really far between.
The more serious about your training, and the more serious the people you train with are, the less problems arise. It's about one Iron Warrior respecting another. Black, brown, white, asian, democrat, republican, man, woman, gay, straight - in the power pit we all get along, and help each other to excell.
It's really America at it's finest.
 
singl guy sounds like a cock! the only people who ever ask me to jump in are people I know, others will ask how many sets and wait if its a few or if iv just started do somthing els.
thats what id do to but that is just how my gym works. iv had to use other equipment because the squat rack is being used, ther's always alternatives and I would never go running to the owner about another member!
 
It is every single persons perogitive to turn down a work in for what ever reason...

'No, because I don't want to' is a good enough, any explaination is a curtoisy.
Why ask, 'can I work in' and then be a bitch about the reply, it is ridiculous.

Every situation is different, and we can argue about the rights, wrongs, and priciples infinitely, but at the end of the day, if some one is using something and wont let you work in, then they are using it, wait your fricking turn. If you had a reason not to let someone work in you would expect them to respect your decision.
 
what a ridiculous situation. 19 years training and i have NEVER had an issue in the gym. ever.

some people are real fags.
 
The single-guy should realise that non-available equipment is part of the deal of training in an under-equipped (or very busy) public gym.

As long as the double-guys are keeping the machine active and not sitting on it resting, single-guy should just wait no matter how long it takes...and if he doesn't have the time to wait, then skip the exercise.

If the single-guy really can't handle the odd inconveniece of his gym then he should consider:

1. Moving to a better equipped gym.
2. Changing his workout times.
3. Buying his own equipment.
 
since when does a gym attendant,manager or owner become a babysitter?
If the single guy was told no, then he waits or does what double guys stated, come in earlier, change workout or gym. I know when I'm on the leg press, the last thing I want to do is keep stripping and loading up the weights. especially at 5:30am Single guy has a leg injury, obviously he can't do the same weight. what did he expect the addendant to do? tell double guys to let puss-wah work in with them!
He needs to stop crying to the gym and find a way to work around it!
 
Cliffs plz

Anyone is welcome to work in with me, provided they load and unload all the weights between sets. If they're asking, they can do. Usually I just wait for ppl to finish and expect them to do the same, the whole 'work in' thing is gay unless it's a selectorized machine or dipping bars.
 
Just got back from the gym. Here's a rule> When doing your shitty-form standing dumbbell curls, don't stand so close to the fuckin dumbbell rack that your nuttys are damn near bouncing off the dumbbells on the rack thus blocking anybody from using the dumbbells you are standing in front of, because you need to be so goddamn close to the rack. Oh yeah, one more> if you are a sixty year old creepy looking dude and you insist on staring at me during my whole workout, don't be surprised when out of the blue I walk over and stab you in the eyeballs!! FUCKIN PERVS!
 
Question #1: How long have you been working out in gyms that cater to the public? 22 years

Question #2: Given the circumstances, do you think a gym should allow two (or maybe more) of their members to block another gym user who has a desire to use the same machine, in this case a leg press machine, for the sole purpose of keeping their heart rate up? Or, is blocking a machine for any reason permissable? If single guy was interupting their routine, then he should wait.

Queston #2 might be a tough question to answer. I'm having a tough time answering it. In arriving at an answer, I have to ask myself: is this issue primarily and solely a blocking issue? If so, then I would have to consider things like common courtesy, civility, manners and etiquette to arrive at an answer. Or is this issue more about personal goals? Specifically stated, a personal goal that involves the need for a person to keep their heart rate up during a specific exercise. If so, the aformentioned traits of common courtesy, civility and etiquette might still come into play. I'm still trying to formulate an answer to question #2. It's a tough one...[/QUOTE]See my answer for #2. Sounds like single guy is a bit of a pansy. Personally, if someone is working on a machine, I wait until they are done or find an alternative exercise. I personally rest 30 - 45 seconds between sets, therefore, someone working interupts my workout. I therefore show everyone else the same courtesy.
 
I always let people work in but I also work out alone and take a good amount of rest between sets. I think the "single guy" should have chilled out and waited his turn. Like 8and20 said, if someone wants to change weights out that can fuck up your whole momentum.
 
IMO there is often a shortage of proper equipment in gyms, so all of us should share with each other. I can see where the double guys are coming from with timing their rest time perfectly, however I think they were in the wrong.
 
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