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Inhibitor13

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Just a question.... when you stay on test year round when do you think or know its time to up the dosages? How long on a certain mg of test you can stay at before upping the dose?
 
Alot of guy will run 250-500mgs as a maintenance dose....I suggest the blast and cruise method.

Which is cycle for however long, and when you are done drop your dose down to 250 mgs per week for 12 weeks and then when thast up your ready to up the dose again.
 
one maxes out when training intensity and frequency has been determined to be your upper threshold of ability while at the same time making sure your protein intake has been at a corresponding high level in conjunction with that training

when gains cease then you know you hit a "wall"
 
Also when you’re on all the time, gyno is an issue to keep an eye on,


I like to cycle, as mentioned above, and then stay on between 500mg and 1000mg until my next cycle.


No science here, just listen to my body, Just finished a cycle last week and still on my test which I will stay on, currently 750mg per week, but will lower that for at least a month and then start another cycle, test will be at 500mg.


Just boils down to gains and gyno, and what your body tells you what to do.
 
I stay on a base of 400 mgs yr round and add other compounds in moderation according to variables like how I look, how I feel, and how much $ I have to blow. It's not like I compete anymore so I can't really justify upping the dose and/or using over 1000mgs/wk. I just don't look or feel that much better on 3000 mgs/wk than I do on 1000 mgs/wk. I recently just finished adding A50 ED 50 mgs for 40 days and have been running 400 mgs of EQ/wk in addition to my usual 400 mgs/test/wk. I didn't gain any weight, I think I lost a few lbs and hardened up quite a bit.
Sickness for thickness-this pic is about a week old the day I ate my last A50.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b169/bigcracker/me1-15-07tu.jpg
 
muscleup said:
Alot of guy will run 250-500mgs as a maintenance dose....I suggest the blast and cruise method.

Which is cycle for however long, and when you are done drop your dose down to 250 mgs per week for 12 weeks and then when thast up your ready to up the dose again.
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sounds like the best way to do it to me.
 
muscleup said:
Alot of guy will run 250-500mgs as a maintenance dose....I suggest the blast and cruise method.

Which is cycle for however long, and when you are done drop your dose down to 250 mgs per week for 12 weeks and then when thast up your ready to up the dose again.
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This is pretty much what I do. " Blast and Cruise", hmmm... I like the sound of that. Currently blastin'.
 
Ulter said:
Just to say the same thing again. You stay on at one dose but then you run your cycles just like anyone else would to achieve whatever goal you've set. You don't go up on your maintenance usually
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Hey how often do you guys that are on year long use HCG?
 
I figured gyno would be less a problem when staying @ a consistant dose 4 ever.


solidspine said:
Also when you’re on all the time, gyno is an issue to keep an eye on,


I like to cycle, as mentioned above, and then stay on between 500mg and 1000mg until my next cycle.


No science here, just listen to my body, Just finished a cycle last week and still on my test which I will stay on, currently 750mg per week, but will lower that for at least a month and then start another cycle, test will be at 500mg.


Just boils down to gains and gyno, and what your body tells you what to do.
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musclehealth said:
I figured gyno would be less a problem when staying @ a consistant dose 4 ever.
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I honestly feel healthier never going off. If I clean up 6 wks my bp rises, acne to the max, nips hurt, lose my appetite, and feel depressed. It can be dealt with, but it sucks ass.
 
BigCracker said:
I honestly feel healthier never going off. If I clean up 6 wks my bp rises, acne to the max, nips hurt, lose my appetite, and feel depressed. It can be dealt with, but it sucks ass.
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Same here... maybe its because our body has gotten used to the test always being there? So when you come off it has the reverse effect.
 
BigCracker said:
I honestly feel healthier never going off. If I clean up 6 wks my bp rises, acne to the max, nips hurt, lose my appetite, and feel depressed. It can be dealt with, but it sucks ass.
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Thats what im saying
 
When women go on birth control, they dont cycle it, they stay on. It doesnt make sense to me to go on, come off, pct, hcg, go on, come off pct, hcg. It just seems to me that shutting your balls off, then trying to turn them back on over and over again cannot be good. Wouldnt it be better to stay on longer?? lower doses of course, with anti E's. ????
 
Ulter said:
Just to say the same thing again. You stay on at one dose but then you run your cycles just like anyone else would to achieve whatever goal you've set. You don't go up on your maintenance usually
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Do you run any anti e's since u stay on ever?
 
Ulter said:
Just to say the same thing again. You stay on at one dose but then you run your cycles just like anyone else would to achieve whatever goal you've set. You don't go up on your maintenance usually
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completely in agreeance.

the only time a maintinence dose would ever go up is if the person is absurdly well developed and requires a higher base androgen level to maintain that level of musculature, but chances are, most people are using 'maintinence' doses that are well in excess of what they need anyway
 
Inhibitor13 said:
Same here... maybe its because our body has gotten used to the test always being there? So when you come off it has the reverse effect.
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The strangest thing I noticed when I started using AAS was that I stopped getting colds like I used to. It might be the overall lifestyle of eating to support my training, etc but I used to get sick 4-5 x a year. Since AAS-maybe 1-2x a year tops and I usually fully recover in under 7-10 days.
 
palehorse51 said:
When women go on birth control, they dont cycle it, they stay on. It doesnt make sense to me to go on, come off, pct, hcg, go on, come off pct, hcg. It just seems to me that shutting your balls off, then trying to turn them back on over and over again cannot be good. Wouldnt it be better to stay on longer?? lower doses of course, with anti E's. ????
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Amen!! :)
 
I used to stay pretty much year round on test. I was at 400mg to 600mg per week cause If I remember right the normal male levels are 180mg to 220mg natural. If I am wrong please say so but I think thats normal. Gyno did become a problem so I stoped. It's been a few years since I used anything and the gyno battle stills goes on. It will go away for a while and then BANG it's back. Thank god for novaldex...... :p
 
Ulter said:
Just to say the same thing again. You stay on at one dose but then you run your cycles just like anyone else would to achieve whatever goal you've set. You don't go up on your maintenance usually
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how often do you guys use hcg ? or do you never use it
 
BigCracker said:
The strangest thing I noticed when I started using AAS was that I stopped getting colds like I used to. It might be the overall lifestyle of eating to support my training, etc but I used to get sick 4-5 x a year. Since AAS-maybe 1-2x a year tops and I usually fully recover in under 7-10 days.
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Interesting, I used to get sick like 10 times a yr and it would take me 4-5 days to recover. Now, I barely get sick as well, I love it !

Inhibitor
 
boss said:
I used to stay pretty much year round on test. I was at 400mg to 600mg per week cause If I remember right the normal male levels are 180mg to 220mg natural. If I am wrong please say so but I think thats normal. Gyno did become a problem so I stoped. It's been a few years since I used anything and the gyno battle stills goes on. It will go away for a while and then BANG it's back. Thank god for novaldex...... :p
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Yeah, this is the problem (along with hair loss/prostate health). The key to staying on year round would be an effective anti-E, anti-dht regemin that wouldnt bring on bad side effects as well. Too low of an estrogen level causes major problems. Nolvadex lowers Igf-1 which is a problem. DHT inhibitors have bad sides. Anyone got a good long term anti-e, anti dht schedule?
 
aromasin cycled 12 weeks on 4 weeks off year round (so Ive heard) I would be worried running anything year round though. Sooner or later its gonna catch up to to you ie: prostate problems/cancer, heart failure from fucked up cholesterol. any organ failure from high blood pressure etc etc.

Running test forever does sound pretty flipping awesome though!!
 
boss said:
I used to stay pretty much year round on test. I was at 400mg to 600mg per week cause If I remember right the normal male levels are 180mg to 220mg natural. If I am wrong please say so but I think thats normal. Gyno did become a problem so I stoped. It's been a few years since I used anything and the gyno battle stills goes on. It will go away for a while and then BANG it's back. Thank god for novaldex...... :p
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dam gyno
 
For those of you that are on year round, have you had your test levels checked? How are your lipids? If you respond can you please post your intake along with your levels.

(GREAT THREAD)
 
If you're going to get sides, you'll get sides. Some people shouldn't be on anything more than low HRT if they plan to stay on, some can run 5g's a week forever with no problems.

BP is excellent, bloodwork is great, don't know about the prostate but there's no-one in my family who's had problems in that area so I'm not concerned. Cancer? From what, exactly?
 
Why not just take 3 weeks off atleast to run clomid & HCG?
 
if you have no natural test or super low levels then there is no point in running 'pct' as it won't do shit. the downtime just leads to blood level fluctuations which are a Bad Thing. Steady low doses are the cornerstone of HRT...
 
Tweakle said:
if you have no natural test...
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I never heard of someone haveing zero natural test? Could you expand on this a little more please.
 
Wow, I'm pretty new to forums, but I am glad to have found this thread. I didn't want to admitt to the year round use on other forums because they flame the s h i t out of you. I use 300-400mgs of Test Prop year round for last 4 years (one 6 month break). It keeps me happy enough with size and NO side effects. I have had unilateral gyno 2 times, but Nolva reversed it both times. I may have accelerated MPB a bit and that sucks. When I cycle (2x year) I will switch to Sustanon or TE and add EQ @400 and Var @40mg. Still a "light" cycle, but I'm 34 and thinking ahead now.

What can (do) you do about testicles. I have not run clomid, hcg, etc. in last 1.5 years and ny nuts, well, you know. Suggestions anyone. Can you bring back any size while on small HRT dose? Probably not.

Thanks
 
BigCracker said:
The strangest thing I noticed when I started using AAS was that I stopped getting colds like I used to. It might be the overall lifestyle of eating to support my training, etc but I used to get sick 4-5 x a year. Since AAS-maybe 1-2x a year tops and I usually fully recover in under 7-10 days.
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from a therapeutic point of view, aas are funny drugs because they dont hurt the immune system, merely change it - immune cells concentrate in different areas of the body compared to non roiders
 
BigCracker said:
The strangest thing I noticed when I started using AAS was that I stopped getting colds like I used to. It might be the overall lifestyle of eating to support my training, etc but I used to get sick 4-5 x a year. Since AAS-maybe 1-2x a year tops and I usually fully recover in under 7-10 days.
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there was a article by dan duchaine yrs ago suggesting that if a person did a coulple of small cycles a yr they would probably be one of the healthiest persons around.he did add that the medical community probably doesnt want anyone to know this .figures.
 
interesting. i like the idea of prop hrt, more shots, less sides, less bloat, less need for anti E. i am seriously considering switching to that after 3 weeks now on test e and bloated up like a fucking blowfish already. plus prop is sooo much better for the wee wee sticking in mommy
 
jagerbombme said:
interesting. i like the idea of prop hrt, more shots, less sides, less bloat, less need for anti E. i am seriously considering switching to that after 3 weeks now on test e and bloated up like a fucking blowfish already. plus prop is sooo much better for the wee wee sticking in mommy
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lol tell me about it. When I run test E my face looks like a fucking beach ball.
I love prop so much better. same results very little bloat if any
 
treneriffic said:
lol tell me about it. When I run test E my face looks like a fucking beach ball.
I love prop so much better. same results very little bloat if any
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can't you control/why don't you control you Estrogen with an Anti-E???
 
fuck now im scared should I drop my test off now and hope levels get to that avg. level? (if they did blood work it would be the appt. I have on february 8th).
 
Nemisis RR said:
For those of you that are on year round, have you had your test levels checked? How are your lipids? If you respond can you please post your intake along with your levels.

(GREAT THREAD)
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When I go down to my maintenance dose (200mg/wk), my test settles in at around 1,000 ng/dl and then everything else (RBC, lipids, PSA) comes down into the normal range within 2-3 weeks after that. I will stay on maintenance dose for 8 weeks past that time before even considering another cycle. As long as everything returns to normal, I will always bridge this way.
 
genman said:
When I go down to my maintenance dose (200mg/wk), my test settles in at around 1,000 ng/dl and then everything else (RBC, lipids, PSA) comes down into the normal range within 2-3 weeks after that. I will stay on maintenance dose for 8 weeks past that time before even considering another cycle. As long as everything returns to normal, I will always bridge this way.
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wow glad to see your levels come back down to normal bro and u still stay at 200mg/week.strange typically im om hrt but i do increase my ass usage for a cycle when i come back down i use 100mg funny thing i take a blood test 4 m nths later and my rbs and hematocrit is still not back to normal(however its just slightly above norm nothing crazy,my docs was scrating his head on what to do lol.
 
bigmusclehead said:
wow glad to see your levels come back down to normal bro and u still stay at 200mg/week.strange typically im om hrt but i do increase my ass usage for a cycle when i come back down i use 100mg funny thing i take a blood test 4 m nths later and my rbs and hematocrit is still not back to normal(however its just slightly above norm nothing crazy,my docs was scrating his head on what to do lol.
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what are you cycling that raised your RBC? my rbc wasn't raised at all on 500mg or so of prop per week
 
palehorse51 said:
When women go on birth control, they dont cycle it, they stay on. It doesnt make sense to me to go on, come off, pct, hcg, go on, come off pct, hcg. It just seems to me that shutting your balls off, then trying to turn them back on over and over again cannot be good. Wouldnt it be better to stay on longer?? lower doses of course, with anti E's. ????
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you forgot one thing, women take 2mg a day where as we take a bit more.. just a bit
 
No one is going to flame you for being on year round on this forum.
Use AIFM and HCG should be run every couple months for a week. Use 1000iu/day for a week.

RSR34 said:
Wow, I'm pretty new to forums, but I am glad to have found this thread. I didn't want to admitt to the year round use on other forums because they flame the s h i t out of you. I use 300-400mgs of Test Prop year round for last 4 years (one 6 month break). It keeps me happy enough with size and NO side effects. I have had unilateral gyno 2 times, but Nolva reversed it both times. I may have accelerated MPB a bit and that sucks. When I cycle (2x year) I will switch to Sustanon or TE and add EQ @400 and Var @40mg. Still a "light" cycle, but I'm 34 and thinking ahead now.

What can (do) you do about testicles. I have not run clomid, hcg, etc. in last 1.5 years and ny nuts, well, you know. Suggestions anyone. Can you bring back any size while on small HRT dose? Probably not.

Thanks
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niv said:
you forgot one thing, women take 2mg a day where as we take a bit more.. just a bit
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This is about staying on hrt level doses in between higher dose phases. Not staying on jacked up doses year round. The comparison to the pill had nothing to do with dose. Its about going on, shutting things down and staying on. Not going on ,coming off, on, off..........
 
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palehorse51 said:
This is about staying on hrt level doses in between higher dose phases. Not staying on jacked up doses year round.
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even hrt doses dont compare with the pill.. aside from that im on my second cycle and thinking of staying on till october when i move back to israel.. in other words im all for it
 
Im loving this yr round test...still making gains at 500mg.. slow but its till comin. When I cycle other AAS with it I bumo it up to 750mg. But its going great !
 
Its important to get your RBC into the normal range as prolonged high levels will lead to circulation problems which is something I dont think we've discussed before?
 
what is the recommended age cutoff for a person looking to go year around? should they be at least 35? 21? 65?

16?
 
jagerbombme said:
docs are giving it to people in their early 20's for trt
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i assume those are the folks who have problems with natural production due to natural causes and not due to aas use.....
 
galaxy said:
Its important to get your RBC into the normal range as prolonged high levels will lead to circulation problems which is something I dont think we've discussed before?
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agreed but how??
 
genman said:
My HRT Doc said that donating blood is one way to do it.
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just found out.u canot donate blood at the local donar clinic if your elevated rbc or hematocrit is the result of medication use,they will only accept if its hereditary. l
 
bigmusclehead said:
just found out.u canot donate blood at the local donar clinic if your elevated rbc or hematocrit is the result of medication use,they will only accept if its hereditary. l
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well, how are they gonna know? or just take your own blood out, we all have pins. find out how much they would draw at the clinic and how often, and do it yourself. im kinda asking this cause this is dealing with IV pinning and don't know the dangers or know hows. so is this possible?
 
pitbullrocco said:
i assume those are the folks who have problems with natural production due to natural causes and not due to aas use.....
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How many years of AS use does it take to actually permanently affect your natty levels???? I'd be pissed if i have to inject in my 40's,50's,60's for HRT just cause i wanted to stay jacked for a while. I know the benefits of Test and i guess i never really thought about this issue until now.
 
Has anyone developed muscle irritation from injecting the same compound for extended periods? For some reason, I start to get tremendous pain and swelling at 10 weeks on any particular compound. It happend last year on Test Prop. I took 9 days off and switched to Test E - no pain. At 10 weeks the Test E started giving me the same problem. I thought it was injection site frequency, so I took 2 weeks off. I took 1 cc of Test E and grew a third ass cheek for several days. I'm only hitting the same injection site every 16 days.
 
I always use Test E. And definitely go longer than 10 weeks. I do notice that every once in a while (like 1 in 10 shots) I will get a bad one that swells and hurts. Its infrequent, so I just assume that I pushed too fast, or hit a sour spot in my "pin-cushion" glutes and quads.
 
bigmusclehead said:
just found out.u canot donate blood at the local donar clinic if your elevated rbc or hematocrit is the result of medication use,they will only accept if its hereditary. l
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They won't know until after they take it. Whether they use it or not does not matter. The act of donating will lower your levels AND you get a free orange or banana.
 
Why would anyones RBC count be signigicantly elevated if we play it smart and don't go over board on the self medicated HRT dosages ......... (250-500)
 
tommboy said:
Why would anyones RBC count be signigicantly elevated if we play it smart and don't go over board on the self medicated HRT dosages ......... (250-500)
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brother mines elevated at 100mgs/week????docs wondering whats going on and so am i.i did deca 6 months ago i cant see it beinging the culprit that long ago.
 
Do you guys ever worry about fertility? I myself don't do this but I have always wondered about it. I imagine nolva keeps LH and FSH production elevated which is all you need for sperm production....provided you have healthy testicular mass if I am correct.
 
Are you saying to take nolva to help sperm production or not to?? I don't want to be able to make babies yet, but definately one day!!!
 
Nathan said:
Do you guys ever worry about fertility? I myself don't do this but I have always wondered about it. I imagine nolva keeps LH and FSH production elevated which is all you need for sperm production....provided you have healthy testicular mass if I am correct.
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No. Fertility is not really an issue. You would run HCG/HMG to make babies like a fertility farmer.
 
Ulter said:
No. Fertility is not really an issue. You would run HCG/HMG to make babies like a fertility farmer.
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What is HMG? I presume HCG is for testicular mass (and only that?)? Clomid or nolva won't work in place of the HMG? Thanks for the good post dude.
 
great thread. I would be curious to know how long of a duration would permanently shut someone's natural test levels. I'm sure all the Pro's will have to be on a HRT regimen after they retire.
 
jetty said:
great thread. I would be curious to know how long of a duration would permanently shut someone's natural test levels. I'm sure all the Pro's will have to be on a HRT regimen after they retire.
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I have friends that are not using steroids anymore after being on over 5 years and rely on their natural test now. If you're using HCG, and AI, etc, I don't think there is a time when you can't restore your natural test production to some degree.
 
Ulter said:
I have friends that are not using steroids anymore after being on over 5 years and rely on their natural test now. If you're using HCG, and AI, etc, I don't think there is a time when you can't restore your natural test production to some degree.
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Did they do proper PCT after each cycle or stay on literally for 5 years? I would think that their natty levels my be significantly less than norm but that's good to know they got it back nevertheless.
 
jagerbombme said:
where to get hmg, will this make me pop big loads? i want some
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Now there's a good question.

Ulter - So how is HMG different from nolva then? Not quite sure I follow that one? Is HMG the only option for restoring sperm production?
 
You guys that are on test dose year round how do u go about the blood tests and obtaining the test. My doc will gimme 200mg ew so I'm assuming the rest you guys get urself? No doc will prescribe 500mg ew lol. And then when it's time for a blood test how to u get the levels low enough? Jus stop for a few weeks prior?
 
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