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Gun Control’s Twisted Outcome

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Gun Control’s Twisted Outcome

Restricting firearms has helped make England more crime-ridden than the U.S.

By Joyce Lee Malcolm

On a June evening two years ago, Dan Rather made many stiff British upper lips quiver by reporting that England had a crime problem and that, apart from murder, "theirs is worse than ours." The response was swift and sharp. "Have a Nice Daydream," The Mirror, a London daily, shot back, reporting: "Britain reacted with fury and disbelief last night to claims by American newsmen that crime and violence are worse here than in the US." But sandwiched between the article’s battery of official denials -- "totally misleading," "a huge over-simplification," "astounding and outrageous" -- and a compilation of lurid crimes from "the wild west culture on the other side of the Atlantic where every other car is carrying a gun," The Mirror conceded that the CBS anchorman was correct. Except for murder and rape, it admitted, "Britain has overtaken the US for all major crimes."

In the two years since Dan Rather was so roundly rebuked, violence in England has gotten markedly worse. Over the course of a few days in the summer of 2001, gun-toting men burst into an English court and freed two defendants; a shooting outside a London nightclub left five women and three men wounded; and two men were machine-gunned to death in a residential neighborhood of north London. And on New Year’s Day this year a 19-year-old girl walking on a main street in east London was shot in the head by a thief who wanted her mobile phone. London police are now looking to New York City police for advice.

None of this was supposed to happen in the country whose stringent gun laws and 1997 ban on handguns have been hailed as the "gold standard" of gun control. For the better part of a century, British governments have pursued a strategy for domestic safety that a 1992 Economist article characterized as requiring "a restraint on personal liberty that seems, in most civilised countries, essential to the happiness of others," a policy the magazine found at odds with "America’s Vigilante Values." The safety of English people has been staked on the thesis that fewer private guns means less crime. The government believes that any weapons in the hands of men and women, however law-abiding, pose a danger, and that disarming them lessens the chance that criminals will get or use weapons.

The results -- the toughest firearm restrictions of any democracy -- are credited by the world’s gun control advocates with producing a low rate of violent crime. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Lewis Powell reflected this conventional wisdom when, in a 1988 speech to the American Bar Association, he attributed England’s low rates of violent crime to the fact that "private ownership of guns is strictly controlled."

In reality, the English approach has not re-duced violent crime. Instead it has left law-abiding citizens at the mercy of criminals who are confident that their victims have neither the means nor the legal right to resist them. Imitating this model would be a public safety disaster for the United States.

The illusion that the English government had protected its citizens by disarming them seemed credible because few realized the country had an astonishingly low level of armed crime even before guns were restricted. A government study for the years 1890-92, for example, found only three handgun homicides, an average of one a year, in a population of 30 million. In 1904 there were only four armed robberies in London, then the largest city in the world. A hundred years and many gun laws later, the BBC reported that England’s firearms restrictions "seem to have had little impact in the criminal underworld." Guns are virtually outlawed, and, as the old slogan predicted, only outlaws have guns. Worse, they are increasingly ready to use them.

Nearly five centuries of growing civility ended in 1954. Violent crime has been climbing ever since. Last December, London’s Evening Standard reported that armed crime, with banned handguns the weapon of choice, was "rocketing." In the two years following the 1997 handgun ban, the use of handguns in crime rose by 40 percent, and the upward trend has continued. From April to November 2001, the number of people robbed at gunpoint in London rose 53 percent.

Gun crime is just part of an increasingly lawless environment. From 1991 to 1995, crimes against the person in England’s inner cities increased 91 percent. And in the four years from 1997 to 2001, the rate of violent crime more than doubled. Your chances of being mugged in London are now six times greater than in New York. England’s rates of assault, robbery, and burglary are far higher than America’s, and 53 percent of English burglaries occur while occupants are at home, compared with 13 percent in the U.S., where burglars admit to fearing armed homeowners more than the police. In a United Nations study of crime in 18 developed nations published in July, England and Wales led the Western world’s crime league, with nearly 55 crimes per 100 people.

This sea change in English crime followed a sea change in government policies. Gun regulations have been part of a more general disarmament based on the proposition that people don’t need to protect themselves because society will protect them. It also will protect their neighbors: Police advise those who witness a crime to "walk on by" and let the professionals handle it.

This is a reversal of centuries of common law that not only permitted but expected individuals to defend themselves, their families, and their neighbors when other help was not available. It was a legal tradition passed on to Americans. Personal security was ranked first among an individual’s rights by William Blackstone, the great 18th-century exponent of the common law. It was a right, he argued, that no government could take away, since no government could protect the individual in his moment of need. A century later Blackstone’s illustrious successor, A.V. Dicey, cautioned, "discourage self-help and loyal subjects become the slaves of ruffians."

But modern English governments have put public order ahead of the individual’s right to personal safety. First the government clamped down on private possession of guns; then it forbade people to carry any article that might be used for self-defense; finally, the vigor of that self-defense was to be judged by what, in hindsight, seemed "reasonable in the circumstances."

The 1920 Firearms Act was the first serious British restriction on guns. Although crime was low in England in 1920, the government feared massive labor disruption and a Bolshevik revolution. In the circumstances, permitting the people to remain armed must have seemed an unnecessary risk. And so the new policy of disarming the public began. The Firearms Act required a would-be gun owner to obtain a certificate from the local chief of police, who was charged with determining whether the applicant had a good reason for possessing a weapon and was fit to do so. All very sensible. Parliament was assured that the intention was to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals and other dangerous persons. Yet from the start the law’s enforcement was far more restrictive, and Home Office instructions to police -- classified until 1989 -- periodically narrowed the criteria.

At first police were instructed that it would be a good reason to have a revolver if a person "lives in a solitary house, where protection against thieves and burglars is essential, or has been exposed to definite threats to life on account of his performance of some public duty." By 1937 police were to discourage applications to possess firearms for house or personal protection. In 1964 they were told "it should hardly ever be necessary to anyone to possess a firearm for the protection of his house or person" and that "this principle should hold good even in the case of banks and firms who desire to protect valuables or large quantities of money."

In 1969 police were informed "it should never be necessary for anyone to possess a firearm for the protection of his house or person." These changes were made without public knowledge or debate. Their enforcement has consumed hundreds of thousands of police hours. Finally, in 1997 handguns were banned. Proposed exemptions for handicapped shooters and the British Olympic team were rejected.

Even more sweeping was the 1953 Prevention of Crime Act, which made it illegal to carry in a public place any article "made, adapted, or intended" for an offensive purpose "without lawful authority or excuse." Carrying something to protect yourself was branded antisocial. Any item carried for possible defense automatically became an offensive weapon. Police were given extensive power to stop and search everyone. Individuals found with offensive items were guilty until proven innocent.

During the debate over the Prevention of Crime Act in the House of Commons, a member from Northern Ireland told his colleagues of a woman employed by Parliament who had to cross a lonely heath on her route home and had armed herself with a knitting needle. A month earlier, she had driven off a youth who tried to snatch her handbag by jabbing him "on a tender part of his body." Was it to be an offense to carry a knitting needle? The attorney general assured the M.P. that the woman might be found to have a reasonable excuse but added that the public should be discouraged "from going about with offensive weapons in their pockets; it is the duty of society to protect them."

Another M.P. pointed out that while "society ought to undertake the defense of its members, nevertheless one has to remember that there are many places where society cannot get, or cannot get there in time. On those occasions a man has to defend himself and those whom he is escorting. It is not very much consolation that society will come forward a great deal later, pick up the bits, and punish the violent offender."

In the House of Lords, Lord Saltoun argued: "The object of a weapon was to assist weakness to cope with strength and it is this ability that the bill was framed to destroy. I do not think any government has the right, though they may very well have the power, to deprive people for whom they are responsible of the right to defend themselves." But he added: "Unless there is not only a right but also a fundamental willingness amongst the people to defend themselves, no police force, however large, can do it."

That willingness was further undermined by a broad revision of criminal law in 1967 that altered the legal standard for self-defense. Now everything turns on what seems to be "reasonable" force against an assailant, considered after the fact. As Glanville Williams notes in his Textbook of Criminal Law, that requirement is "now stated in such mitigated terms as to cast doubt on whether it [self-defense] still forms part of the law."

The original common law standard was similar to what still prevails in the U.S. Americans are free to carry articles for their protection, and in 33 states law-abiding citizens may carry concealed guns. Americans may defend themselves with deadly force if they believe that an attacker is about to kill or seriously injure them, or to prevent a violent crime. Our courts are mindful that, as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes observed, "detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an upraised knife."

But English courts have interpreted the 1953 act strictly and zealously. Among articles found illegally carried with offensive intentions are a sandbag, a pickaxe handle, a stone, and a drum of pepper. "Any article is capable of being an offensive weapon," concede the authors of Smith and Hogan Criminal Law, a popular legal text, although they add that if the article is unlikely to cause an injury the onus of proving intent to do so would be "very heavy."

The 1967 act has not been helpful to those obliged to defend themselves either. Granville Williams points out: "For some reason that is not clear, the courts occasionally seem to regard the scandal of the killing of a robber as of greater moment than the safety of the robber’s victim in respect of his person and property."

A sampling of cases illustrates the impact of these measures:

• In 1973 a young man running on a road at night was stopped by the police and found to be carrying a length of steel, a cycle chain, and a metal clock weight. He explained that a gang of youths had been after him. At his hearing it was found he had been threatened and had previously notified the police. The justices agreed he had a valid reason to carry the weapons. Indeed, 16 days later he was attacked and beaten so badly he was hospitalized. But the prosecutor appealed the ruling, and the appellate judges insisted that carrying a weapon must be related to an imminent and immediate threat. They sent the case back to the lower court with directions to convict.

• In 1987 two men assaulted Eric Butler, a 56-year-old British Petroleum executive, in a London subway car, trying to strangle him and smashing his head against the door. No one came to his aid. He later testified, "My air supply was being cut off, my eyes became blurred, and I feared for my life." In desperation he unsheathed an ornamental sword blade in his walking stick and slashed at one of his attackers, stabbing the man in the stomach. The assailants were charged with wounding. Butler was tried and convicted of carrying an offensive weapon.

• In 1994 an English homeowner, armed with a toy gun, managed to detain two burglars who had broken into his house while he called the police. When the officers arrived, they arrested the homeowner for using an imitation gun to threaten or intimidate. In a similar incident the following year, when an elderly woman fired a toy cap pistol to drive off a group of youths who were threatening her, she was arrested for putting someone in fear. Now the police are pressing Parliament to make imitation guns illegal.

• In 1999 Tony Martin, a 55-year-old Norfolk farmer living alone in a shabby farmhouse, awakened to the sound of breaking glass as two burglars, both with long criminal records, burst into his home. He had been robbed six times before, and his village, like 70 percent of rural English communities, had no police presence. He sneaked downstairs with a shotgun and shot at the intruders. Martin received life in prison for killing one burglar, 10 years for wounding the second, and a year for having an unregistered shotgun. The wounded burglar, having served 18 months of a three-year sentence, is now free and has been granted £5,000 of legal assistance to sue Martin.

The failure of English policy to produce a safer society is clear, but what of British jibes about "America’s vigilante values" and our much higher murder rate?

Historically, America has had a high homicide rate and England a low one. In a comparison of New York and London over a 200-year period, during most of which both populations had unrestricted access to firearms, historian Eric Monkkonen found New York’s homicide rate consistently about five times London’s. Monkkonen pointed out that even without guns, "the United States would still be out of step, just as it has been for two hundred years."

Legal historian Richard Maxwell Brown has argued that Americans have more homicides because English law insists an individual should retreat when attacked, whereas Americans believe they have the right to stand their ground and kill in self-defense. Americans do have more latitude to protect themselves, in keeping with traditional common law standards, but that would have had less significance before England’s more restrictive policy was established in 1967.

The murder rates of the U.S. and U.K. are also affected by differences in the way each counts homicides. The FBI asks police to list every homicide as murder, even if the case isn’t subsequently prosecuted or proceeds on a lesser charge, making the U.S. numbers as high as possible. By contrast, the English police "massage down" the homicide statistics, tracking each case through the courts and removing it if it is reduced to a lesser charge or determined to be an accident or self-defense, making the English numbers as low as possible.

The London-based Office of Health Economics, after a careful international study, found that while "one reason often given for the high numbers of murders and manslaughters in the United States is the easy availability of firearms...the strong correlation with racial and socio-economic variables suggests that the underlying determinants of the homicide rate are related to particular cultural factors."

Cultural differences and more-permissive legal standards notwithstanding, the English rate of violent crime has been soaring since 1991. Over the same period, America’s has been falling dramatically. In 1999 The Boston Globe reported that the American murder rate, which had fluctuated by about 20 percent between 1974 and 1991, was "in startling free-fall." We have had nine consecutive years of sharply declining violent crime. As a result the English and American murder rates are converging. In 1981 the American rate was 8.7 times the English rate, in 1995 it was 5.7 times the English rate, and the latest study puts it at 3.5 times.

Preliminary figures for the U.S. this year show an increase, although of less than 1 percent, in the overall number of violent crimes, with homicide increases in certain cities, which criminologists attribute to gang violence, the poor economy, and the release from prison of many offenders. Yet Americans still enjoy a substantially lower rate of violent crime than England, without the "restraint on personal liberty" English governments have seen as necessary. Rather than permit individuals more scope to defend themselves, Prime Minister Tony Blair’s government plans to combat crime by extending those "restraints on personal liberty": removing the prohibition against double jeopardy so people can be tried twice for the same crime, making hearsay evidence admissible in court, and letting jurors know of a suspect’s previous crimes.

This is a cautionary tale. America’s founders, like their English forebears, regarded personal security as first of the three primary rights of mankind. That was the main reason for including a right for individuals to be armed in the U.S. Constitution. Not everyone needs to avail himself or herself of that right. It is a dangerous right. But leaving personal protection to the police is also dangerous.

The English government has effectively abolished the right of Englishmen, confirmed in their 1689 Bill of Rights, to "have arms for their defence," insisting upon a monopoly of force it can succeed in imposing only on law-abiding citizens. It has come perilously close to depriving its people of the ability to protect themselves at all, and the result is a more, not less, dangerous society. Despite the English tendency to decry America’s "vigilante values," English policy makers would do well to consider a return to these crucial common law values, which stood them so well in the past.

Joyce Lee Malcolm, a professor of history at Bentley College and a senior adviser to the MIT Security Studies Program, is the author of Guns and Violence: The English Experience, published in May by Harvard University Press.
 
Gun control has always been the biggest oxy-moronic impingement out there.The only folks who abide is those that are law abiding citizens to begin with.Just makes the criminals goals that much more effortless,as they know everyone they victimize is unarmed.
 
Gun control is a very idiotic ideal. It assumes that if you legally ban/restrict all citizens from owning guns, that ALL of those citizens are going to abide by those gun control laws. BUT LIKE ANY LAW, the criminals will always break it. So, in the end, you will have the same amount of criminals owning guns, while a lesser amount of responsible, law-abiding citizens owning them. Thus, an even GREATER percentage of the population who owns guns will be made up of convicted felons and other criminals.

Gun control is an utopian ideal, implemented in the real world. And as a result, disaster has struck.
 
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• In 1994 an English homeowner, armed with a toy gun, managed to detain two burglars who had broken into his house while he called the police. When the officers arrived, they arrested the homeowner for using an imitation gun to threaten or intimidate. In a similar incident the following year, when an elderly woman fired a toy cap pistol to drive off a group of youths who were threatening her, she was arrested for putting someone in fear. Now the police are pressing Parliament to make imitation guns illegal.


You've gotta be kidding me?! I honestly don't have any idea how the legislative system works in the UK, but I can just picture a bunch of stodgy old fucks in powdered wigs and frilly collars sitting around, drafting feel-good laws, based on antiquated concepts of chivalry and civility.
 
Here is a PARTIAL list of banned guns

Following is a PARTIAL listing of the firearms banned under the so-called "Assault Weapons" ban amendment to the Crime Bill: The 19 named weapons, 161 other rifles and shotguns confirmed by BATF Director Magaw's letter, 20 other pistols confirmed by BATF Director Magaw's letter and 106 conventional semi automatic handguns effectively banned via the magazine ban.

Please Note: Most of the handguns effected by magazine capacity restrictions have remained on the consumer market as the manufacturers modified the magazine or redesigned a new limited capacity 10 round magazine. The biggest effect of this portion of the ban and the ban in general has been to increase the value of the so-called "Pre-Ban" firearms and to have created a grey market in pre-ban products and magazines.
For a total of 306 known "assault weapons" banned by the Crime Bill.

NAMED FIREARMS

1) Mitchell Avtomat Kalashnikov (all models)
2) Norinco Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models)
3) Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models)
4) Action Arms (IMI) Galil
5) Beretta AR70 (SC-70)
6) Colt AR-15
7) Fabrique National FN/FAL
8) Fabrique National FN/LAR
9) Fabrique National FNC
10) SWD M-10
11) SWD M-11
12) SWD M-11/9
13) SWD M-12
14) Steyr AUG
15) INTRATEC TEC-9
16) INTRATEC TEC-DC9
17) INTRATEC TEC-22
18) Street Sweeper rev. cylinder shotgun
19) Striker 12 rev. cylinder shotgun

OTHER RIFLES from Dan Black's (BATF) Letter to Sen. Craig, 12/20/93, as entered in the Congressional Record on 5/2/94

20) AA Arms AR9 semiautomatic rifle
21) AMT Lightning 25 rifle
22) Auto Ordnance Thompson Model 1927 carbines (finned barrel versions)
23) Calico M100 carbine
24) Colt Sporter Rifle (all variations)
25) Federal XC900 carbine
26) Federal XC450 carbine
27) Grendel R31 carbine
28) Iver Johnson M1 Carbine (version with collapsible stock and bayonet lug)
29) Springfield M1A rifle

PISTOLS from Dan Black's (BATF) Letter to Sen. Craig, 12/20/93, as entered in the Congressional Record on 5/2/94

30) AA Arms AP9 pistol
31) Australian Automatic Arms pistol
32) Auto Ordnance Mdll 1927A5 pistol
33) American Arms Spectre pistol
34) Calico Model M950 pistol
35) Calico Model 110 pistol
36) Claridge Hi-Tech pistol (all models)
37) D Max auto pistol
38) Grendel P-31 pistol
39) Heckler & Koch SP89 pistol
40) Wilkinson Linda pistol

SHOTGUNS from Dan Black's (BATF) Letter to Sen. Craig, 12/20/93, as entered in the Congressional Record on 5/2/94

41) Benelli M1 Super 90 shotgun
42) Benelli M3 Super 90 shotgun
43) Franchi LAW 12 shotgun
44) Franchi SPAS 12 shotgun
45) USAS 12 shotgun

ADDITIONAL WEAPONS confirmed in BATF Director Magaw's letter to Sen. Craig, 4/1/94, as entered in the Congressional Record on 5/2/94

46) American Arms AKY39 Rifle
47) American Arms AKF39 Rifle
48) American 180
49) Anschutz Deluxe Model 520/61
50) AR-10 Semi-Auto Rifle
51) Argentine FALs
52) Armalite AR-180 Sporter Carbine
53) Armscorp Model 1600
54) Armscorp AK-22
55) Armscorp M-14 Semi-Auto Rifle
56) Australian Automatic Arms SAR
57) Australian Automatic Arms SAC
58) Australian Automatic Arms SAP
59) Australian Automatic Arms SP Hunting Rifle
60) Australian Automatic Arms SP-20 Hunting Rifle
61) Australian L1A1 FAL
62) Auto-Ordnance Mod 1927A-3
63) Auto-Ordnance 1927-A5 Pistol
64) Barrett Light-Fifty
65) Beretta AR-70 Sporter
66) Beretta SC-70 Carbine
67) Bushmaster Auto Rifle
68) Bushmaster Rifle
69) Bushmaster Auto Pistol
70) Calico Model 100 Pistol
71) Calico Model 900 Carbine
72) Calico Model 951 Tactical Carbine
73) CETME Rifle
74) Clayco AKS Rifle
75) Cobray M-11
76) Cobray M-11/9
77) Cobray M-12
78) Cobray 9mm Carbine
79) Colt AR-15A2 Carbine
80) Colt AR-15A2 H-BAR
81) Colt AR-15A2-Delta H-BAR
82) Colt Match Delta H-BAR
83) Colt Sporter Lightweight
84) Colt Sporter Target
85) Daewoo Ar11OC
86) Daewoo AR100
87) Demro TAC-1 Carbine
88) Demro XF-7 Carbine
89) Eagle Arms EA-15 Action Master Auto Rifle
90) Eagle Arms EA-15 Auto Rifle
91) Eagle Arms EA-15 E1 Carbine
92) Eagle Arms EA-15 E2 Carbine
93) Eagle Arms EA-15 E2, H-BAR
94) Eagle Arms EA-15 Golden Auto
95) Egyptian Maadi AKM
96) Egyptian Maadi"Thumbhole AKM"
97) EMF AP-74
98) Encom Mk IV
99) FAMAS Semi-Auto Rifle
100) Feather AT-9 Carbine
101) Feather AT-22
102) Feather Mini-AT
103) Feather SAR-180 Carbine
104) Federal Model XC-220
105) Federal XC900 Pistol
106) Federal SC450 Pistol
107) Fed Ord M-14 Rifle
108) FN "G Series" FALFN-LAR Competition Auto
109) FN-LAR Heavy Barrel .308 Match
110) FN-LAR Paratrooper Model 50-64
111) FN-LAR Model 50-63
112) Galil AR
113) Galil ARM
114) Galil Sniper Rifle
115) Galil Sporter
116) Goncz High-Tech Carbine
117) Goncz High-tech Long Pistol
118) Grendel R-31 Auto Carbine
119) Heckler & Koch PSG-1 Marksman
120) Heckler & Koch 91
121) Heckler & Koch 93
122) Heckler & Koch 94
123) Holmes MP-22
124) Holmes MP-38
125) Holmes MP-83
126) Intratec Scorpion
127) Israeli FALS
128) Iver Johnson Enforcer Model 3000
129) Iver Johnson PM30HB Carbine
130) Kassnar SA 85M AKM
131) Kassnar SA 85M "Thumbhole AKM"
132) MAC-10 Semi-Auto
133) MAC-11 Semi-Auto
134) Mitchell AKM
135) Mitchell AK-22
136) Mitchell Galil/22
137) Mitchell Heavy Barrel AKM
138) *S4941 Mitchell MAS-22
139) Mitchell M-1622
140) Mitchell M-76 Counter Sniper Rifle
141) any M1 Carbine with folding stock
142) Norinco MAK-90 Rifle
143) Norinco MAK-91 Legend Rifle
144) Norinco Officer's Nine Carbine
145) Norinco RPK Rifle
146) Norinco Type 81S Rifle
147) Norinco Type 81MGS Rifle
148) Norinco Type 84S AK
149) Norinco Type 85S "Bullpup" AK
150) Norinco Type 86S-7 Rifle
151) Norinco Type 88SB Rifle
152) Olympic Arms Car-9
153) Olympic Arms CAR-15
154) Olympic Arms CAR-40
155) Olympic Arms CAR-45
156) Olympic Arms CAR-310
157) Olympic Arms K-4 AR-15 Rifle
158) Partisan Avenger
159) Poly Technologies AK-47/S
160) Poly Technologies AKS-762
161) Poly Tech. AKS-762 Down Folder
162) Poly Tech. AKS-762 Side Folder
163) Poly Technologies M-14/S
164) Poly Tech. RPKS-74 Assult Rifle
165) Ruger Mini-14/5
166) Ruger Mini-14 with folder stock
167) Scarab Skorpion Pistol
168) SIG AMT
169) SIG PE-57
170) SIG SG 550-2 SP Rifle
171) SIG SG 550-2 SP Carbine
172) Smith Enterprises M-15 Semi-Auto
173) Spectre Carbine
174) Spectre DA Pistol
175) Springfield Armory SAR-3
176) S. A. SAR-48 Standard
177) S. A. SAR-48 Bush Rifle
178) S. A. SAR-48 Heavy Barrel
178) S. A. SAR-48 Heavy Barrel
179) Springfield Armory SAR-48 Para
180) Springfield Armory SAR-4800
181) S. A. M1A Super Match
182) S. A. M1A-A1 Bush Rifle
183) S. A. BM-59 Italian Model
184) S. A. BM-59 Alpine Model
185) S. A. BM-59 Alpine Paratrooper
186) S. A. BM-59 Nigerian MK IV
187) Springfield Armory M-21 Sniper
188) Sterling Carbine
189) Steyr AUG-SA
190) SVD "Tiger" Sniper Rifle
191) USAS-12 Auto
192) Uzi Pistol
193) Uzi Carbine
194) Valmet M-62/S Rifle
195) Valmet M-71/S Rifle
196) Valmet M-76 Standard Rifle
197) Valmet M-78 Rifle
198) Valmet M-82 Bullpup Rifle
199) Weaver Arms Nighthawk
200) Wilkinson "Terry" Carbine

CONVENTIONAL SEMIAUTOMATIC HANDGUNS BANNED BY BANNING THEIR FULL CAPACITY MAGAZINES.

Editors Note: Please keep in mind that most of these pistol are still available with restricted capacity magazines that only hold 10 rounds or with magazines produced prior to the ban. Stupid Law? Yes Very!

(Counting only recent manufacture models as of August 15, 1994)

201) Accu-Tek HC-380SS
202) Action Arms / BRNO CZ-75 Standard
203) Action Arms / BRNO CZ-75 Compact
204) Action Arms / BRNO CZ-83 Compact
205) Action Arms / BRNO CZ-85 Standard
206) AMT On Duty Action Pistol .40 S&W
207) AMT On Duty Action Pistol 9mm
208) Beretta 84F
209) Beretta 92D, 92F, 92FS Series
210) Beretta 92F-EL
211) Beretta 92G
212) Beretta 92 Brigadier FS
213) Beretta 92 Stock
214) Beretta 96, 96D Series
215) Beretta 96 Compact
216) Beretta 98 Brigadier FS
217) Beretta 98 Stock
218) Beretta 98FS Series
219) Beretta Model 8000 Cougar D, Cougar D Combo
220) Beretta Model 8000 Cougar F, Cougar F Combo
221) Beretta Model 8000 Cougar G, Cougar G Combo
222) Beretta Model 8040 Cougar D, Cougar D Inox
223) Beretta Model 8040 Cougar G, Cougar G Inox
224) Bernardelli P018, P018 Compact
225) Bersa Thunder 9
226) Bersa Model 85
227) Bersa Mdl 86 Custom Undercover
228) Browning Hi-Power
229) Browning BDM
230) Browning BDA-380
231) Colt All American Model 2000
232) Daewoo DP51
232) Daewoo DP51
233) Daewoo DH-40
234) Daewoo DH-45
235) European American Astra A-75
236) E. A. Astra A-75 Featherweight
237) European American Astra A-100
238) E. A. Witness Subcompact 9mm
239) E. A. Witness Basic Series
240) E. A. Witness FAB Series
241) E. A. Witness Gold Team Series
242) Glock 17
243) Glock 17L Competition 9mm
244) Glock 19 Compact 9mm
245) Glock 20
246) Glock 21
247) Glock 22
248) Glock 23 Compact .40S&W
249) Glock 24 Competition .40 S&W
250) Grendel P-12
251) Grendel P-30, P-30M
252) Heckler & Koch USP-9
253) Heckler & Koch USP-40
254) Jennings Model 59
255) Llama M-82
256) Lorcin 13 9mm
257) Mauser 80-SA
258) Mauser 90-DA
259) Mauser 90-DAC Compact
260) Mitchell High Standard Signature Series
261) Para-Ordnance P12
262) Para-Ordnance P12 Compact
263) Para-Ordnance P13
264) Para-Ordnance P14
265) Para-Ordnance P14 Compact
266) Ruger P89 and KP89 Series
267) Ruger KP91 Series
268) Ruger KP93 Series
269) Ruger KP94 Series
270) Ruger KP944
271) SIG Sauer P226
272) SIG Sauer P228
273) SIG Sauer P229 .40S&W
274) SIG Sauer P229 .357SIG
275) Smith and Wesson 411
276) Smith and Wesson 915
277) Smith and Wesson 4003
278) Smith and Wesson 4006
279) Smith and Wesson 4026
280) Smith and Wesson 4043
281) Smith and Wesson 4046
282) Smith and Wesson 5903
283) Smith and Wesson 5904
284) Smith and Wesson 5906
285) Smith and Wesson 5946
286) Smith and Wesson 6904
287) Smith and Wesson 6906
288) Smith and Wesson 6946
289) Smith and Wesson Sigma .40S&W
290) Smith and Wesson Sigma 9mm
291) Springfield P9 9mm
292) Springfield P9 .40 S&W
293) Springfield XM4
294) Star 31P and 31PK 9mm
295) Star 31P and 31PK .40 S&W
296) Star Firestar Plus
297) Star Megastar
298) Taurus PT-58
299) Taurus PT-92 Series
300) Taurus PT-92C
301) Taurus PT-99 Series
302) Taurus PT-100
303) Taurus PT-101
304) Walther P-88 DA
305) Wildey Survivor
306) Wildey Hunter

Congressional Record Reference: 140 Cong. Rec. S4939-05, 1994 WL 162152
 
There is no way this would fly in America. Only in CA will one sit back and let the goverment fuck them in the ass. Most of them are fags anyway so they actually probably liked it.

Ca has the hardest gun laws on the US. When was the last time a murder or crime was comitted with a "legally registered" class 3 gun? I bet you can't find one in the past 5 years. Another reason why CA sux dix.
 
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There is no way this would fly in America. Only in CA will one sit back and let the goverment fuck them in the ass. Most of them are fags anyway so they actually probably liked it.

Ca has the hardest gun laws on the US. When was the last time or crime was comitted with a "legally registered" class 3 gun? I bet you can't find one in the past 5 years. Another reason why CA sux dix.

You bastard!I had a mouth full of protein shake and just spat it out all over my desk.LOL!
 
So Huck, how is life in Zimbabwe? Is the government still stealing whitey's land? LOL J/K bro
 
Guys, I can't agree with this.

Remember before we declared a War on Drugs when you could still get drugs and there was a vast underground criminal market for them?
 
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