Girlfriend might be pregnant, need abortion options

[Staind]

My girlfriend is a few days late so we will be getting a pregnancy test soon, but in the meantime I just want to figure out what would be the cheapest and quickest way to abort if neccessary.

I have been doing a little research and it seems that doctors use Mifeprex (RU-486) along with another drug called misoprostol (Cytotec) to terminate the prenancy. I live in GA and was wondering if anyone knew how difficult or how hard it would be to get this done through a planned pregnancy center or health clinic. If it isn't easy to get done would I need both drugs or would Mifeprex alone do the trick? I am pretty tight on money so I can't really spend alot, definitely not more than $100. Anyone have some advice or help? Feel free to post or shoot me an email.

 

[HighIntensity]

honestly bro, go to PParent hood. They will not involve the parents, and she will get the pills she needs from them...

don't do option b and wait then abort, trust me she and you will never be the same.

 

[Golfer18--old]

Good luck bro.

 

[Frackal]

If your'e going to do it do it fast. THis post will be closed by reply 20 I predicts.

 

[theoak01]

next time keep it in your pants dickwad,is she is pregnant and you abort your not a man,a man steps up and takes responsibility not punks out like a bitch

grow up then breed until then jerk off

 

[hippedy hop]

My girlfriend is a few days late so we will be getting a pregnancy test soon, but in the meantime I just want to figure out what would be the cheapest and quickest way to abort if neccessary.

I have been doing a little research and it seems that doctors use Mifeprex (RU-486) along with another drug called misoprostol (Cytotec) to terminate the prenancy. I live in GA and was wondering if anyone knew how difficult or how hard it would be to get this done through a planned pregnancy center or health clinic. If it isn't easy to get done would I need both drugs or would Mifeprex alone do the trick? I am pretty tight on money so I can't really spend alot, definitely not more than $100. Anyone have some advice or help? Feel free to post or shoot me an email.

babykiller!! BWAHAHABWAHAHA dude wear some fucking condoms or blow in her mouth that is what i do.....

ooooooohyeah

 

[BodhiDharma]

 

[BodhiDharma]

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/

 

[HighIntensity]

next time keep it in your pants dickwad,is she is pregnant and you abort your not a man,a man steps up and takes responsibility not punks out like a bitch

grow up then breed until then jerk off

who are you to say shit, your not him...shut up

 

[huntmaster]

My girlfriend is a few days late so we will be getting a pregnancy test soon, but in the meantime I just want to figure out what would be the cheapest and quickest way to abort if neccessary.

Man, i am sorry that you are in a tough spot--it happens to the best of us.

just remember a child is a blessing

I will pray for you--I hope everything works out for the best for your girl, the baby and you.

Keep your head up.

 

[Warik]

what would be the cheapest and quickest way to abort if neccessary.

Sadly, you weren't aborted.

Would you go out and kill someone who made fun of you? No? Then why kill a child who has done nothing - not even decide to be created. You made that choice - not him.

Asshole.

-Warik

(P.S. Karma for you, Mr. Oak. glad to see that even Canada has men )

 

[SofaGeorge]

My girlfriend is a few days late so we will be getting a pregnancy test soon, but in the meantime I just want to figure out what would be the cheapest and quickest way to abort if neccessary.

I have been doing a little research and it seems that doctors use Mifeprex (RU-486) along with another drug called misoprostol (Cytotec) to terminate the prenancy. I live in GA and was wondering if anyone knew how difficult or how hard it would be to get this done through a planned pregnancy center or health clinic. If it isn't easy to get done would I need both drugs or would Mifeprex alone do the trick? I am pretty tight on money so I can't really spend alot, definitely not more than $100. Anyone have some advice or help? Feel free to post or shoot me an email.

Have you bothered to ask her what SHE wants to do? It's her choice - not yours.

 

[Warik]

Re: Re: Girlfriend might be pregnant, need abortion options

Have you bothered to ask her what SHE wants to do? It's her choice - not yours.

Chances are that it was her idea. Any girl irresponsible enough to have sex carelessly with someone who can't even afford an abortion is likely to be irresponsible enough to want to abort in the first place.

And please spare me: "it's better to abort the pregnancy than to bring the child into a world where he won't be cared for" philosophy. With that logic I could argue that it'd be better to terminate the fuckers who would abort a child in the first place in order to make society a place that welcomes life instead of rejecting it.

Sickening.

-Warik

 

[madbomber31]

first off, its THEIR CHOICE... not just hers... his voice needs to be heard..


warik, since when did an embryo become a child?

you people pass judgement on others like their is no tomorrow, the kid fucked up and so did his girl... i would never abort, but guess what? i have the right to CHOOSE....

 

[JohnyJuice]

Re: Re: Girlfriend might be pregnant, need abortion options

Have you bothered to ask her what SHE wants to do? It's her choice - not yours.

Why? Because it is in her body and not his? It effects both of their lives equally. I don't get people with your reasoning. Yes, she will have the final say because it is in her body, but dont act like he should just shut the fuck up. "Sit back and shut up, it's not your place. But when the decision is made for you, you better act like a man" . Give me a fucking break. Now i am not saying i am for abortion. I actually dont like it one bit, but i think it is a neccesary evil. Thats the way it is. I am sure in God's eyes, nuking the middle east isn't cool, but thats what needs to be done. Both involve murder, if you were wondering about my analogy.
Anyway bud, i hope all works out for you. I hope it never happens to me (but i use shlongdoms).

 

[hippedy hop]

Who the fuck would have sex with this weirdo anyways?

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27410

I no longer feel sorry for him or his girlfriend wear a condom numbnuts!!

oooooooooohyeah

 

[SofaGeorge]

Re: Re: Re: Girlfriend might be pregnant, need abortion options

Chances are that it was her idea. Any girl irresponsible enough to have sex carelessly with someone who can't even afford an abortion is likely to be irresponsible enough to want to abort in the first place.

And please spare me: "it's better to abort the pregnancy than to bring the child into a world where he won't be cared for" philosophy. With that logic I could argue that it'd be better to terminate the fuckers who would abort a child in the first place in order to make society a place that welcomes life instead of rejecting it.

Sickening.

-Warik

Warik, forgive me for being dense here - but are you saying this guy is human filth... worthless scum not worthy of being gang raped in prison? A life form so low that nazi pedophiles could piss on him righteously?

I'm just trying to clarify your oppinion.

 

[Warik]

first off, its THEIR CHOICE... not just hers... his voice needs to be heard..

They have already made the choice by beginning the pregnancy (if the girl is actually pregnant). I simply don't see how an intelligent person could have careless sex and expect no consequences.

warik, since when did an embryo become a child?

I'm not going to have this argument. It's the biggest cop out in abortion debate. It's the equivalent of arguing that I shouldn't drink because I don't turn 21 for another 7 weeks, or that a kid shouldn't be allowed to drive because he turns 16 next week, or that a guy should be charged $12 for parking instead of $6 because parking is $6/hr and he stayed for an hour and 2 minutes.

Why don't you tell me when life begins, madbomber? Now, is it ok to abort the day before that?

you people pass judgement on others like their is no tomorrow, the kid fucked up and so did his girl...

And what's wrong with passing judgment? Do you condone the acts of murderers and rapists? I don't condone this. It's wrong. You have as little, or as much, right to pass judgment on a cold-blooded murderer as I do to pass on these two people. You know just as little about the circumstances of a murder as I do about this proposed abortion. All I know is that two people had sex, got pregnant, and are willing to choose the execution of an innocent lifeform over taking responsibility for their actions. If murder will get you 20 years, this should get you more.

i would never abort, but guess what? i have the right to CHOOSE....

At least I can respect you for that; yet you forget - I have the right to CHOOSE to pass judgment on these people.

-Warik

 

[JohnyJuice]

first off, its THEIR CHOICE... not just hers... his voice needs to be heard..

Word.

you people pass judgement on others like their is no tomorrow, the kid fucked up and so did his girl... i would never abort, but guess what? i have the right to CHOOSE.... [/B]

Serious. The key word in this statement is KID. They are both fucking kids (literally), and kids make mistakes.

 

[hippedy hop]

bumpity bump for that irresponsible sperm shootin hoodlum.

oooooohyeah

 

[Warik]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Girlfriend might be pregnant, need abortion options

Warik, forgive me for being dense here - but are you saying this guy is human filth... worthless scum not worthy of being gang raped in prison? A life form so low that nazi pedophiles could piss on him righteously?

I'm just trying to clarify your oppinion.

Going on existing information, I respect OJ more than I do this guy. At least OJ's victims had the ability to fight back.

-Warik

 

[huntmaster]

but part of growing into an adult is taking responsibility for those mistakes

 

[JohnyJuice]

but part of growing into an adult is taking responsibility for those mistakes

This is true as well. Like i said, i dont agree with abortion.

 

[huntmaster]

you are a drunk driving little bitch though

 

[JohnyJuice]

you are a drunk driving little bitch though

I did it again tonight as well. I was just chillin in my room drinking some Bud (not my favorite beer, but thats what my friend showed up with). So after knocking back about 6, i drove down to a bar to hang out. Everything went off without a hitch, but i did burn my finger as i was hitting the joint on the way. I sustained only minor injuries though.

 

[huntmaster]

you are a crazy bastard

i had some friends that went to FL and while ago--and wnated me to go

i couldnt go but if I do, we will have to hang out and throw back a few

 

[hippedy hop]

I did it again tonight as well. I was just chillin in my room drinking some Bud (not my favorite beer, but thats what my friend showed up with). So after knocking back about 6, i drove down to a bar to hang out. Everything went off without a hitch, but i did burn my finger as i was hitting the joint on the way. I sustained only minor injuries though.

been to the purple porpoise and the swamp some fine ass pussy around there cowboy....oooooooooohyeah

 

[JohnyJuice]

you are a crazy bastard

i had some friends that went to FL and while ago--and wnated me to go

i couldnt go but if I do, we will have to hang out and throw back a few

Well i have to admit, i was just joking in my previous statement. I wasnt drunk. And i didnt burn my finger. There was no joint. I was actually driving and hitting a 2 foot bong. It was a bit tough. And thats the truth.

Fuck yeah though. If you come down here, look my ass up. I am in south Florida right now, but will be in gainesville in Jan. I will be getting my own place up there, so you can stay with me and we can go and do rotten shit. Always fun. When you leave they will be calling you HoeMaster. LOL

 

[huntmaster]

LMAO!

thanks for the invite

i will keep that in mind!

do you know if they banned Tom

 

[JohnyJuice]

been to the purple porpoise and the swamp some fine ass pussy around there cowboy....oooooooooohyeah

When were you at The Swamp? A few of my buddies bounce there.

 

[HighIntensity]

none of you can pass judgement, so shut your mouths.

Warik you have problems, man this makes me sick, your a pathetic little man who can barely dress himself without the boards help, I would bet anything you have never seen a condom or a vagina.

And the time mom took you to the zoo to see the baboons, does not count.

 

[HighIntensity]

you know another thing Warik, you wana know whats its like to abort your own baby. It is not an easy way out my friend. You go there alone, you and your GF (wife) whatever, often times it is a room full of kids haveing kids. And you sit there, silent cause everyone senses what goes down in the other room.

Then they call you GF and tell you, you can't come with her. So you sit by yourself, waiting. You can't take it any longer so you go outside to get her a power bar and water, cause you know shes going to be tired and what not. And then it hits you, and you burst out in tears, because you know that at that very moment IT has happened and even outside it was like getting struck by lightning. Something you have created is now gone, its a feeling that haunts you.


So you go back in and your once cheerful smiling GF comes out, her face is pale and lifeless. You walk her to the car, no words are said. Then when you get in, she starts crying hysterically...Rain ironically is now pouring down on the hood of the car. She does not want you to touch her, shes lost, something from inside her was torn away and shell never trust the same.

So you take her for a milkshake (something to make her smile) and then drive to the highest point you know, on this mountain she explains to you what happened. The coldness of the steal., the pain. the crys and the holding of the nurses hand while some strange man has opened you up...strait out of horror movie, and all you can do is blamb yourself for ruining two lives, cause she was never the same...inoccent came and left her in a hurry that day.

so you live with that the rest of your life and then tell me its the easy way out.

Fuck man if you can take 2 pills now, do it. Its better then the above or haveing a kid at 17 with parents who can't even afford diapers.

 

[spentagn]

Sucks, doesn't it HI? Hope that was worth the orgasm.

 

[HighIntensity]

Sucks, doesn't it HI? Hope that was worth the orgasm.

you don't know shit dude so don't go here on this one, nothing like that


my point on this thread is unless you know this mans situation or anyman don't judge. I only typed what I typed to show some body who reads this what an abortion entails. Hopefully it will let them understand that it is nothing easy to fix. Be careful and use protection.

But condoms break, so do diaphrams and the pill does not work 100per of the time. SHIT HAPPENS, but access you situation fast and as soon as possible, and think about everyone involved.

You don't like my post fuck it, but hopefully someone will read what I wrote and it will help change their life.

SEX is SERIOSE in everyway!!!!!

BTW Spent, I have not had sex in 8 months, passed it up 6 times since last oct. why cause it means something to me, now tell me again what you were saying, cause I am responsible! get that much at least

done

 

[spentagn]

you don't know shit dude so don't here on this one, nothing like that

Yeah, I do know shit on this topic, and no matter how much the parties love(d) each other, abortion reduces the experience to just an orgasm.

 

[HighIntensity]

nice words read above

 

[spentagn]

BTW Spent, I have not had sex in 8 months, passed it up 6 times since last oct. why cause it means something to me, now tell me again what you were saying, cause I am responsible! get that much at least

done

I believe I answered you're question in my previous post, which was written before your length edit. And no, birth control doesn't always work. I've got a two year old example of that

 

[HighIntensity]

I commend you on that, for real thats stepping up.

My sit. unfortantly could not have gone that way, she din't want it like that...I would have no problem trying to raise our kid, but it was not to be and it could not have worked out that way. Just could not, on so many levels

Either way as you can see it has effected me to the point where sex is not something I really don't like to deal with, or I dunno.

Either way good luck, you should be proud.

HI

 

[Doktor Bollix]

You should avoid worrying yourself until she pisses on the stick.

Women are late/ skip periods.

If I was you I would make a note of her menstrual cycle, some women play the late game because they just can't pass up such a tempting dramatic role.

 

[paradox]

If you cant accept the fact that a child can result in you fucking around, you shouldnt be fucking PERIOD. Be a man about it, if your to much of a pussy to care for this child, give it to one of the countless couples who will. Atleast then it will have a chance to live.

 

[paradox]

Re: Re: Girlfriend might be pregnant, need abortion options

Sadly, you weren't aborted.

Would you go out and kill someone who made fun of you? No? Then why kill a child who has done nothing - not even decide to be created. You made that choice - not him.

Asshole.

-Warik


Well said Warik. Good karma for you.

 

[madbomber31]

They have already made the choice by beginning the pregnancy (if the girl is actually pregnant). I simply don't see how an intelligent person could have careless sex and expect no consequences.


Why don't you tell me when life begins, madbomber? Now, is it ok to abort the day before that?



And what's wrong with passing judgment? Do you condone the acts of murderers and rapists? I don't condone this. It's wrong. You have as little, or as much, right to pass judgment on a cold-blooded murderer as I do to pass on these two people. You know just as little about the circumstances of a murder as I do about this proposed abortion. All I know is that two people had sex, got pregnant, and are willing to choose the execution of an innocent lifeform over taking responsibility for their actions. If murder will get you 20 years, this should get you more.


-Warik

point A- i agree to a point... it is careless and reckless and consequences will be faced.

point B- i believe life begins when the EMBRYO start to form the brain stem... the key to all thoughts, feelings, emotions, etc... everything that is human lies within the brain. here is where you chime in with a slippery slope.... what if so and so lost his brain in a freak medical experiment? well, i'd reply by saying that since he once had a brain then he maintains his humanity... and we'd argue for a few hours and nothing would be solved... so shut up now and save us the trouble of typing.

point C- accepted.

and finally, i leave you with this- a what if question...

what if you applied rawl's theory of justice to every situation in life... imagine this, you are under the veil of ignorance so you know nothing about your place in society.... i ask of you "should abortion be an option?" you, since you dont know anything about yourself would have to consider everything... what if you were a pregnant female who could not afford to care for a child, who had no resources, no family to help... NOTHING..... or, you could be a father to be and be without a job, car, any means of support... wouldnt you then be more likely to accept abortion as an option?

since you are not under the veil now you will still disagree, but it does not matter, for if you were under it... you'd accept abortion as an option and you'd decline the death penalty.... (a whole nother scenario)

 

[theoak01]

HI your a good guy and im not trying to be a prick towards you but im so fed up of these little assholes fucking around thinking with the wrong head and then bailing once they knock up their girl,its just foolish

abortion should only be for women who have been raped,or have some disease that will effect the child at birth

other than that it should not be available

as the thread about character was posted last week,this is a prime example,back in the good days when people had character a real man took responsibility for his actions and raised the kid

 

[Staind]

This is Staind's Girlfriend ( fiance)

Ok you guys need to chill, I asked him to post that...There are many reasons I would choose an abortion, I am recovering from bulimia and anorexia, smoke about 12-20 cigarettes a day yes we use condoms you dimwitts, and I was switching birth control medicines you lackwitts...
I am about a week late and he told me yesterday if I want to I should keep the baby, but I am also on 5 different prescription meds that probably would cause retardation or DEFORMITIES if I did have the baby...I didn't mean for him to word it so STRONGLY, but thats the way 20 yr olds can be sometimes. We are not stupid as you think, but living with someone you love does make it hard to stay abstinent, and NEWSFLASH RETARDS CONDOMS ARE NOT 100%!!!!!
I haven't even begun to contemplate why pple could be so freakin cruel to some guy asking for advice, not Republican Bible Belt Baptist views and critiscim, living in the South gives me plenty of that...anyway, thanlk you for your input those of you who give the benifit of the doubt and who realize I am only human ( guess what so are you!) and for opening my eyes....Wait a minute...aren't about half of you USING illegal drugs???! Hypocrites. What would you do??

 

[Doktor Bollix]

A week? That's it? And all this drama. Until you take a pregnancy test it's all just talking shit, and not something you should be tormenting this poor guy over.

 

[Delinquent]

Re: This is Staind's Girlfriend ( fiance)

Ok you guys need to chill, I asked him to post that...There are many reasons I would choose an abortion, I am recovering from bulimia and anorexia, smoke about 12-20 cigarettes a day yes we use condoms you dimwitts, and I was switching birth control medicines you lackwitts...
I am about a week late and he told me yesterday if I want to I should keep the baby, but I am also on 5 different prescription meds that probably would cause retardation or DEFORMITIES if I did have the baby...I didn't mean for him to word it so STRONGLY, but thats the way 20 yr olds can be sometimes. We are not stupid as you think, but living with someone you love does make it hard to stay abstinent, and NEWSFLASH RETARDS CONDOMS ARE NOT 100%!!!!!
I haven't even begun to contemplate why pple could be so freakin cruel to some guy asking for advice, not Republican Bible Belt Baptist views and critiscim, living in the South gives me plenty of that...anyway, thanlk you for your input those of you who give the benifit of the doubt and who realize I am only human ( guess what so are you!) and for opening my
eyes....Wait a minute...aren't about half of you USING illegal drugs???! Hypocrites. What would you do??

Good reply to the dumbasses.

The guy asked for advise not a fucking lecture. Whatever they want to do is their choice and bitching at them isn't gonna change their mind. Looking back, if my ex and I would have had the runt, who knows if we would still be together or not but our lives would have been fucked. Seeing how she did have a kid a couple years ago and is barely able to afford to feed him, it only proves that it was the best thing to do.

 

[Norman Bates]

Aborting an embryo that is a few weeks old is nothing more for me than killing a few cells.
Emphasis on a few weeks.

 

[Staind]

who said he was being tormented? Just trying to be safe.

 

[MuscularWarrier]

Hey bro,

Youre are looking for cheap ways out of this but what if you found a cheap way out of responsiblty and also got a free ticket to hell dude.

Fact is bro you only got two options:

1. KILL THE BABEY.

2. Take responsiblty for what you done.

Bro, you creamed her pussy and she got the kid, why not just stand up like a man and be responsble? Why not be a real man. Be a real man is not just muscles or cock its takeing responsiblty for your actions.

Life is life. If you pay to have her babey killed its murdar.

Muscular Warrior

 

[Lao Tzu]

You misspelled your own name, MuscularWarrior.







I say do what you have to do staind. Don't listen to all the 'be a man' stuff, that shit only works on tv. In real life there are too many factors to take into account. Get a college degree before you have kids, if not you could be fucked for a long time.

 

[circusgirl]

Funny all the pro-lifers are men..... wait a second, most posters here are men.... Your decision - but EF is NOT a good place to ask non-sports-related questions on, unless it's about DIY or cats....

 

[Star]

Ok, I have not read this whole thread so if I am repeating anything please forgive me...........First, sometimes it is crueler to bring a child into the world when you are unable to give everything the child deserves because they do deserve the best and that is the best of everything. If you are not capable of giving that and that includes 2 parents and a happy home then I think a lot of times abortion is the right thing. Secondly, there is now a morning after pill........(that is a relative term because it doesn't have to be just the morning after). It is legal, safe, easy and not dangerous. Talk with her obgyn and he will hook you up. From now on think before you act.


Deliquent: I hope my mature and honest answer helped you. Some people when having no experience speak with no knowledge. I am pro life..........that means I am for quality pro life. No child needs to be brought to live in a world to lack all the comforts, good health, love, and security it deserves. That to me is the cruelest and most selfish act someone can do to a baby cause it is obvious the only person they are thinking of in that situation is their selves. Take care of yourself girl. Check out that pill. It is natural, just a little cramping like a heavy period. I, myself have not tried it or been in the position too but I have researched it. Good luck and kudos for thinking of the big picture.

 

[Fonz]

next time keep it in your pants dickwad,is she is pregnant and you abort your not a man,a man steps up and takes responsibility not punks out like a bitch

grow up then breed until then jerk off

Now that is a moronic statement.

Pro-choice ALL THE frigging way here.

Religion again I bet. Stow it.

Fonz

 

[paradox]

If you are not capable of giving that and that includes 2 parents and a happy home then I think a lot of times abortion is the right thing.


If your not capable to provide that, then let someone who can provide that adopt the child. Saying murdering a baby is OK just because it wont grow up in the best environment with two parents is the biggest cop-out bullshit statement I ever heard. I know so many single parents doing a great job raiseing a child. Or better yet Star maybe all the kids not living with two parents in a nice home should be murdered right here right now on the spot??? Your murdering a child before it has a chance to overcome life's obstacles & become somebody great. and YES there are many great people out there who accomplished amazing goals in life who grew up in shitty environments.....nobody said life is suppose to be easy.

 

[-SD-]

Hey bro,

Youre are looking for cheap ways out of this but what if you found a cheap way out of responsiblty and also got a free ticket to hell dude.

Fact is bro you only got two options:

1. KILL THE BABEY.

2. Take responsiblty for what you done.

Bro, you creamed her pussy and she got the kid, why not just stand up like a man and be responsble? Why not be a real man. Be a real man is not just muscles or cock its takeing responsiblty for your actions.

Life is life. If you pay to have her babey killed its murdar.

Muscular Warrior

Dood, u shood bak off the medikashun.

 

[spongebob]

maybe you need to talk to the chat boards sit in baby remover expert, thebabydoc, affectionately known as thebabykilla . i bet he would just love to get his suction cannula attached to that unwanted fetus' head and permanentely remove it from its natural habitat piece by bloody piece. i think he enjoys so much it might be free of charge.

 

[spongebob]

Re: Re: Re: Girlfriend might be pregnant, need abortion options

And please spare me: "it's better to abort the pregnancy than to bring the child into a world where he won't be cared for" philosophy. With that logic I could argue that it'd be better to terminate the fuckers who would abort a child in the first place in order to make society a place that welcomes life instead of rejecting it.

Sickening.

-Warik

but warik, what if the baby doesnt have ralph laureen bedsheets in his nursery in his edward scissorhands suburban home. this could be detrimental to societies percieved notion of his success later in his life. he just may not make it to wallstreet. warik, think of the baby for christ sakes.

 

[gymrat]

I wanted to give you some karma for that pic bro, but i'm out right now. oh damn that's funny.

 

[MP5]

Canadian Oak, I remember when you were on the boards confiding in JohnnyO that you thought you were gay, then you claimed you were bi. Why would anyone listen to your dumbass after years of bullshit stories you post here?

You people are being too hard on this guy, he knocked up his girl and he is not ready for kids. To say he shouldn't be fucking then is bullshit, you know you all did it in the past and it never even crossed your mind. We all fucked at the first chance we got, it is human nature to want to drop your load in a chick, unless you are Canadian Oak, then you opt for the butt.

 

[spongebob]

To say he shouldn't be fucking then is bullshit, you know you all did it in the past and it never even crossed your mind. We all fucked at the first chance we got, it is human nature to want to drop your load in a chick, unless you are Canadian Oak, then you opt for the butt.

exactly right, thats why i have that pain in the ass 10yr old daughter sitting in the other room playing the pianno too loud.

 

[Warik]

none of you can pass judgement

And why not?

Warik you have problems, man this makes me sick, your a pathetic little man who can barely dress himself without the boards help, I would bet anything you have never seen a condom or a vagina.

Hey, what can I say, brown is hard to match. And FYI, even though it is immaterial in this argument, I've seen both.

You're acting very hostile towards me and towards my views because of the experience you've just described, which shocks me. Based on what I've just read, I would have though you'd be on my side arguing against this barbaric practice. Instead you advocate it and support it while still saying that it ruined two lives.

Maybe you're right. Maybe I do have problems, because quite frankly, I don't understand.

-Warik

 

[HighIntensity]

And why not?



Hey, what can I say, brown is hard to match. And FYI, even though it is immaterial in this argument, I've seen both.

You're acting very hostile towards me and towards my views because of the experience you've just described, which shocks me. Based on what I've just read, I would have though you'd be on my side arguing against this barbaric practice. Instead you advocate it and support it while still saying that it ruined two lives.

Maybe you're right. Maybe I do have problems, because quite frankly, I don't understand.

-Warik

My point Warik,

Is I hope this kid can get the morning after pill, because the other options have the potential to create alot more damage.

haveing a kid without a proper education, money or an abortion. both can and will bring pain and hardship for life.

 

[Warik]

point B- i believe life begins when the EMBRYO start to form the brain stem... the key to all thoughts, feelings, emotions, etc... everything that is human lies within the brain. here is where you chime in with a slippery slope.... what if so and so lost his brain in a freak medical experiment? well, i'd reply by saying that since he once had a brain then he maintains his humanity... and we'd argue for a few hours and nothing would be solved... so shut up now and save us the trouble of typing.

The problem with that discussion is the fact that almost every example you can give me of a characteristic that defines life but an embryo/fetus/whatever doesn't have, I can provide a counterpoint that shows that something that is considered to be human life doesn't have it either.

what if you applied rawl's theory of justice to every situation in life... imagine this, you are under the veil of ignorance so you know nothing about your place in society.... i ask of you "should abortion be an option?" you, since you dont know anything about yourself would have to consider everything... what if you were a pregnant female who could not afford to care for a child, who had no resources, no family to help... NOTHING..... or, you could be a father to be and be without a job, car, any means of support... wouldnt you then be more likely to accept abortion as an option?

Speaking from a completely ignorant and egocentric point of view, of course, abortion would be an option. I'd be completely devoid of morality and myself would be the most important part of my decision-making, so the answer is yes. However, we do not live under a veil of ignorance. We (should) live in a world where morality, love, and a general respect for life should be widespread.

Condoms are birth control - they work to keep the semen out of the vagina to avoid pregnancy.

Abortion is not birth control - it is murder.

-Warik

 

[Warik]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Girlfriend might be pregnant, need abortion options

but warik, what if the baby doesnt have ralph laureen bedsheets in his nursery in his edward scissorhands suburban home. this could be detrimental to societies percieved notion of his success later in his life. he just may not make it to wallstreet. warik, think of the baby for christ sakes.

Valid point. After all, that's the reason there is so much poverty in the United States today. I mean, shit, so many children being born into either poor families or single-parent homes. How is a kid supposed to get an education or get a job if his parents don't love each other ultimately, buy him nice toys, and have cable TV.

Maybe if we aborted all pregnancies that would lead to birth in anything less than a two-parent upper-middle class household, then killed all people who didn't fall in that category, the world would be so much better - right? After all... it's better to kill someone than to allow them to live in less than optimal circumstances.

Yep.

-Warik

 

[huntmaster]

children are a blessing

 

[Frackal]

Canadian Oak, I remember when you were on the boards confiding in JohnnyO that you thought you were gay, then you claimed you were bi. Why would anyone listen to your dumbass after years of bullshit stories you post here?

You people are being too hard on this guy, he knocked up his girl and he is not ready for kids. To say he shouldn't be fucking then is bullshit, you know you all did it in the past and it never even crossed your mind. We all fucked at the first chance we got, it is human nature to want to drop your load in a chick, unless you are Canadian Oak, then you opt for the butt.

LMAO

 

[paradox]

will bring pain and hardship for life. [/B]

For fuck sake give me a break! Life is full of hardship & pain, deal with it.

 

[HighIntensity]

For fuck sake give me a break! Life is full of hardship & pain, deal with it.

suck it

 

[AAP]

I just read the thread to get a chuckle from hippedy hops "sperm shooting hoodlum" comment...

But consider this... that for one minute you are THAT child and you are growing up with parents that will probably never marry, chances are, you won't even see one of them for a LONG LONG period in your life. You spend all your time with your grandmother because your ONE SINGLE parent is out working a nothing job or trying to go through college. You look at other kids in school and see how they have better homes, two parents, and a more pleasing environment at home.... is this what you would want?

 

[JohnyJuice]

Canadian Oak, I remember when you were on the boards confiding in JohnnyO that you thought you were gay, then you claimed you were bi. Why would anyone listen to your dumbass after years of bullshit stories you post here?

You people are being too hard on this guy, he knocked up his girl and he is not ready for kids. To say he shouldn't be fucking then is bullshit, you know you all did it in the past and it never even crossed your mind. We all fucked at the first chance we got, it is human nature to want to drop your load in a chick, unless you are Canadian Oak, then you opt for the butt.

This is so true. And by the way, i didnt kow oak was a butt slammer. No shit. You homo.

 

[Fonz]

Canadian Oak, I remember when you were on the boards confiding in JohnnyO that you thought you were gay, then you claimed you were bi. Why would anyone listen to your dumbass after years of bullshit stories you post here?

You people are being too hard on this guy, he knocked up his girl and he is not ready for kids. To say he shouldn't be fucking then is bullshit, you know you all did it in the past and it never even crossed your mind. We all fucked at the first chance we got, it is human nature to want to drop your load in a chick, unless you are Canadian Oak, then you opt for the butt.

Exactly.

NO, and i mean NO OUTSIDE influences should hamper
his decision-making process regarding the termination of the
fetus.

After you've heard all the arguments, make a decision and
stick to it. PERIOD. BUT , make sure its whats best for YOU
and your GF.

Do you think those pro-life people will help you
when tou have to have 2 jobs,change diapers 3X/day,
never fall asleep for more than 2-3hrs/day, no vacations,
debt etc.. etc..and the list goes on.

I bet 99% of the people on this thread haven't even had
a friend go through this. I have. And let me tell you its not fun.
In his case, he was catholic and was threatened with banishment
by his family if he aborted. Don't get me wrong, he loved his GF, but they were only 19, and that has severely screwed up his life.

Fonz

 

[bigguns7]

Let me get this straight, you're looking for a quick fix for getting an abortion on a tight budget?

Try these websites:


www.youresickyouirresponsiblefuck.com

www.imadumbasslookingforaquickwaytogetridofababy.com

www.atleasthavethedecencytopayforaproperabortion.com

 

[Fonz]

The problem with that discussion is the fact that almost every example you can give me of a characteristic that defines life but an embryo/fetus/whatever doesn't have, I can provide a counterpoint that shows that something that is considered to be human life doesn't have it either.



Speaking from a completely ignorant and egocentric point of view, of course, abortion would be an option. I'd be completely devoid of morality and myself would be the most important part of my decision-making, so the answer is yes. However, we do not live under a veil of ignorance. We (should) live in a world where morality, love, and a general respect for life should be widespread.

Condoms are birth control - they work to keep the semen out of the vagina to avoid pregnancy.

Abortion is not birth control - it is murder.

-Warik

For the LAST TIME WARIK.....

A Foetus ISN'T SELF-AWARE until the 4th month when
it has established a big enough neural-net from
his senses.

SO, the BABY ISN'T CONSIDERED alive. PERIOD.

Look up the definition of being alive. You'll see I'm right.

Also,(but not least), the baby is DEPENDENT upon the mother
until the 4th month also. Its autonomic functions DO NO
become independent until the 4th month.

So, until then its just an extension of the mother. PERIOD.
She wants to abort it? Fine, she can as long as she has the
consent of the father. NOBODY else matters.

Stop being so thick-headed Warik.

Fonz

 

[bigguns7]

For the LAST TIME WARIK.....

A Foetus ISN'T SELF-AWARE until the 4th month when
it has established a big enough neural-net from
his senses.

SO, the BABY ISN'T CONSIDERED alive. PERIOD.

Look up the definition of being alive. You'll see I'm right.

Also,(but not least), the baby is DEPENDENT upon the mother
until the 4th month also. Its autonomic functions DO NO
become independent until the 4th month.

So, until then its just an extension of the mother. PERIOD.
She wants to abort it? Fine, she can as long as she has the
consent of the father. NOBODY else matters.

Stop being so thick-headed Warik.

Fonz

So would you say that you only support first trimester abortions?

 

[CrimsonKing]

I don't think any of us are qualified to make a judgement of when life begins or not. You are trying to fit the waters of an ocean inside of bucket. It will never fit and we can never possibly understand.

I respect both sides of the debate and see that rational arguments to support the denifitions. BUT, in the end it comes down to faith in GOD.

 

[Fonz]

I don't think any of us are qualified to make a judgement of when life begins or not. You are trying to fit the waters of an ocean inside of bucket. It will never fit and we can never possibly understand.

I respect both sides of the debate and see that rational arguments to support the denifitions. BUT, in the end it comes down to faith in GOD.

That is why I think the whole abortion argument is BS.

RELIGION should NOT even be a consideration!!!

Religion is based on UNSUBSTANCIATED FACTS, while the lives
of the mother and father are based on FACTS.

You CANNOT let something that "might or might not" exist
sway your like in such a huge fashion.

It just simpy isn't logical.

Fonz

 

[Prometheus]

But consider this... You spend all your time with your grandmother because your ONE SINGLE parent is out working a nothing job or trying to go through college. You look at other kids in school and see how they have better homes, two parents, and a more pleasing environment at home.... is this what you would want?

maybe I misunderstand you - are you saying that the child would be better off dead than jealous of his friends? That a less-than-Brady Bunch manufactured reality would be sufficient justification for murder?

that's pro-abortion's most used argument - that preemptory murder is justified, because based on 20-year predictions it is possible the child would not be as happy as he/she could be in an ideal world... How is that argument any different than the argument favoring genocide? - just kill the poor, after all, they aren't as happy as the rich, right? murder the metally disabled and the paraplegics while you're at it? and the ugly don't have it so good, either...

don't misunderstand - I don't want to recind your 'right' to abortion - I only object to the cowardice in claiming "it's for the child" -- BULLSHIT -- it is convenience-based justifiable homocide - like in the case of self-defense where society allows for a homocide, here society has deemed it acceptable to murder a child within 6 months, if that child would be inconvenient and/or inhibit the ability of the mother to work in the corporate world.

Fine, just be honest about it.

 

[cockdezl]

For the LAST TIME WARIK.....

A Foetus ISN'T SELF-AWARE until the 4th month when
it has established a big enough neural-net from
his senses.

SO, the BABY ISN'T CONSIDERED alive. PERIOD.

Look up the definition of being alive. You'll see I'm right.

Also,(but not least), the baby is DEPENDENT upon the mother
until the 4th month also. Its autonomic functions DO NO
become independent until the 4th month.

FONZ, FONZ, FONZ. You are still trying to play scientist aren't you?

You might want to check out a basic high school biology book to look up the criteria for "life" or "living organism". There is no criteria for neural development or self-consciousness, since in many organisms these are never present.

Also, no scientist worth a shit, would state that animals are not living or "alive" simply because they are in a certain developmental stage. All higher life forms must progress through morphological stages to attain their final form. Is a caterpillar not a moth, simply because it is not morphologically a moth? Was it not genetically the same when it was a caterpillar as it is as a moth?

After 4 months, the child is NOT dependant on the mother?? What 4 month old fetus have you ever heard of survive? The youngest survival I have heard of was 26 weeks, around 6 months.

So, until then its just an extension of the mother. PERIOD.
She wants to abort it? Fine, she can as long as she has the
consent of the father. NOBODY else matters.

This is untrue. The embryo is never an extension of the mother, since that would imply that the embyro WAS the mother or genetically identical to the mother. A 1 year old infant is identical to the embryo in your scenario. A fetus/embryo is DEPENDANT on the mother, not an extension.

Stop being so thick-headed Warik.

Fonz

Stop being so mush headed

 

[bigguns7]

For the LAST TIME WARIK.....

A Foetus ISN'T SELF-AWARE until the 4th month when
it has established a big enough neural-net from
his senses.

SO, the BABY ISN'T CONSIDERED alive. PERIOD.

Look up the definition of being alive. You'll see I'm right.

Fonz

So, by your definition, all protozoans aren't alive.

Earthworms and all other insect larvae are not alive.

Starfish are not alive.

Fonz, you've made some amazing scientific breakthroughs. I'm nominating you for the Nobel Prize in Biology. You'll get your certificate in the mail.

 

[Star]

Good fuckin god men.....Listen to yourselves...........If you could atleast agree that Children deserve the best................If you can not give that to them then you should not have them and for the idiot I know is going to follow this comment up saying what does $$ have to do with it "you are a prime example of ignorance" It's not $$ I am speaking of..........They deserve the best in life including love, education, both parents (YES BOTH). I had my daughter and she had a father that was taken away at an early age by fate and now I am raising her alone but to imply she deserves less than everything the world has to give is ludicris. TO think different is selfish and to bring a child into the world before you are capable of providing those things is also selfish and WRONG. Adoption is an option, true but do you ever know they will give all that is needed for that child either? Sometimes yes and I believe whole heartedly in adoption but the damage it does to the mother losing the child and eventually the abandonment issues it gives the the adopted child are always a problem. Even though the love it takes to let yourself go through the pain of giving your child away is great it doesn't matter.......the baby always later in life wonders inside why you didn't love them enough to try. Stop being to onsided Men.....and I say men because everyone of you spouting that BS have been men, the ones that DO NOT take care of the kids, DO NOT end up being the single parents, and DO NOT give birth.


PS. Paradox, You really showed your immaturity by giving me bad karma for expressing my opinion but since I am a adult I won't retaliate. I think people are allowed to believe differently and hopefully when you grow up you will realize that also.

 

[bigguns7]

Good fuckin god men.....Listen to yourselves...........If you could atleast agree that Children deserve the best................If you can not give that to them then you should not have them and for the idiot I know is going to follow this comment up saying what does $$ have to do with it "you are a prime example of ignorance" It's not $$ I am speaking of..........They deserve the best in life including love, education, both parents (YES BOTH). I had my daughter and she had a father that was taken away at an early age by fate and now I am raising her alone but to imply she deserves less than everything the world has to give is ludicris. TO think different is selfish and to bring a child into the world before you are capable of providing those things is also selfish and WRONG. Adoption is an option, true but do you ever know they will give all that is needed for that child either? Sometimes yes and I believe whole heartedly in adoption but the damage it does to the mother losing the child and eventually the abandonment issues it gives the the adopted child are always a problem. Even though the love it takes to let yourself go through the pain of giving your child away is great it doesn't matter.......the baby always later in life wonders inside why you didn't love them enough to try. Stop being to onsided Men.....and I say men because everyone of you spouting that BS have been men, the ones that DO NOT take care of the kids, DO NOT end up being the single parents, and DO NOT give birth.


PS. Paradox, You really showed your immaturity by giving me bad karma for expressing my opinion but since I am a adult I won't retaliate. I think people are allowed to believe differently and hopefully when you grow up you will realize that also.

So you're saying that if the child can't be brought up in the all-american textbook family unit, then it's chances at a life should be terminated? It sounds like you're preaching responsibility and consideration, but you're preaching the wrong sermon.

Maybe what you meant to say was, if you can't provide a normal and good upbringing for a child, you should be responsible enough to abstain from activities that could result in the birth of a child.

Personally, I disagree with you either way, but if you're saying what i think you're saying, then you disgust me.

I think abortion is appalling, but I do not feel that the woman's choice to end a pregnancy should be taken from her. Hence, regrettably I must say I am pro-choice. But, for you to make the assertion that abortion is what is best for the child if it can't grow up with a mommy and a daddy, that's dispicable.

I can use your rationale and say that if you have a child, and one parent leaves and never returns, you would be doing the child a favor to kill it right then. How would you feel if that were legalized - killing a child so it doesn't have to suffer emotional distress? That isn't your decision to make. Many great people have come from dysfunctional familes and abusive homes.

 

[Fonz]

FONZ, FONZ, FONZ. You are still trying to play scientist aren't you?

You might want to check out a basic high school biology book to look up the criteria for "life" or "living organism". There is no criteria for neural development or self-consciousness, since in many organisms these are never present.

Also, no scientist worth a shit, would state that animals are not living or "alive" simply because they are in a certain developmental stage. All higher life forms must progress through morphological stages to attain their final form. Is a caterpillar not a moth, simply because it is not morphologically a moth? Was it not genetically the same when it was a caterpillar as it is as a moth?

After 4 months, the child is NOT dependant on the mother?? What 4 month old fetus have you ever heard of survive? The youngest survival I have heard of was 26 weeks, around 6 months.



This is untrue. The embryo is never an extension of the mother, since that would imply that the embyro WAS the mother or genetically identical to the mother. A 1 year old infant is identical to the embryo in your scenario. A fetus/embryo is DEPENDANT on the mother, not an extension.



Stop being so mush headed

LOL Cockedzl....

Its 4.5 months actually. He was put in an incumbator. Its actually
in the Guiness Book.

Again, this argument is highly circular. An embryo becomes
a LIVING PERSON when it becomes self-aware. PERIOD.

I even got one wacko telling me that the DNA of the child
was alive.

I was like MUHAHA!!!!! Thats a good one.

By that comparison a Virus is alive.

This isn't directed at your cockedzl but I've seriously had it
with religious fanatics that just whisk scientific reasoning
away in favour of FARCICAL beliefs.

If this is pissing people off here, well GOOD.

Fonz

 

[Prometheus]

Again, this argument is highly circular. An embryo becomes
a LIVING PERSON when it becomes self-aware. PERIOD.

This isn't directed at your cockedzl but I've seriously had it
with religious fanatics that just whisk scientific reasoning
away in favour of FARCICAL beliefs.

I am not "religious" in the least (assuming that is an insult, right?) - but I still am uncertain as to when a life may be classified as "life" -- when it has a unique genetic foundation, when it may live free of its mother, or even when it's "self-aware" (although that definition is no more exact than the term "life"). science does not answer this question -- if it did, there would be no debate - I at least don't pretend to know it either.

 

[Fonz]

I am not "religious" in the least (assuming that is an insult, right?) - but I still am uncertain as to when a life may be classified as "life" -- when it has a unique genetic foundation, when it may live free of its mother, or even when it's "self-aware" (although that definition is no more exact than the term "life"). science does not answer this question -- if it did, there would be no debate - I at least don't pretend to know it either.

Sorry, I should have explained it better.

When the fetus becone SENTIENT or in other words SELF-AWARE
he cannot be terminated because he is an entity not
a non-entity composed of differentiated cells.

 

[Fonz]

I am not "religious" in the least (assuming that is an insult, right?) - but I still am uncertain as to when a life may be classified as "life" -- when it has a unique genetic foundation, when it may live free of its mother, or even when it's "self-aware" (although that definition is no more exact than the term "life"). science does not answer this question -- if it did, there would be no debate - I at least don't pretend to know it either.

Sorry, I should have explained it better.

When the fetus becone SENTIENT or in other words SELF-AWARE
he cannot be terminated because he is an entity not
a non-entity composed of differentiated cells.

Fonz

 

[bigguns7]

I'm interested in hearing the answer to this question:

Would you be in favor of making second trimester abortions illegal?

 

[Fonz]

I'm interested in hearing the answer to this question:

Would you be in favor of making second trimester abortions illegal?

Making something ilike abortion llegal is a legislative matter NOT
religious/judicial/executive.

The people in the district would have to vote.

However, Roe vs Wade superseeds this.

A president CAN theoretically order a bill through making
abortion illegal but that would mean political suicide.

Fonz

 

[bigguns7]

Making something ilike abortion llegal is a legislative matter NOT
religious/judicial/executive.

The people in the district would have to vote.

However, Roe vs Wade superseeds this.

A president CAN theoretically order a bill through making
abortion illegal but that would mean political suicide.

Fonz

I'm having trouble finding your answer in all that spin you just spit out.

 

[gymnast82]

Well I am the infamous GF of the " irresponsible sperm shootin hoodlum" we could argue the issue of pro life pro choice etc untill we are all blue in the face, BUT NOONE WILL BE INFLUENCED AT ALL. I think it is pointless, but I think it should be my choice if the 2-3 week old coupling of cells should stay implanted in my freakin uterus. IF I did choose to keep it it would die in the 2nd trimester because I have been told due to all the medicines I am on any fetus would be deformed, the fact that I had anorexia and bulimia so severly that I WILL have osteoperosis later in life and difficulty having children, and that I used many substances witthin the last month...but that is irrelevant. I do not believe in partial-birth and I have been very offended by the horrible images some bible beating hypocrites have placed in my head...It is disturbing to say the least, I am NOT having an easy time with this and your comments of responsibility and murder do not help me in the least. And I recently cut ties with my parents and am living month to month as a waitress while trying to go to school...I want no sympathy, but I wish you guys could stoip bickering.

PS Thank you for being so nice Star

 

[Star]

PS Thank you for being so nice Star

Honey, it's amazing how many opinions men have when they are the ones who only see the kids on weekends, send a lousy 200$ a week in support, and half the time start new families and throw the old one out like a pair of forgotten damn shoes. Don't listen to these numb nuts.........YOU know what is best for you because if you are incapable of being YOUR best then you are also incapable of being the best for a child.

BIGGUNS, next time I suggest you read my statements as is and stop trying to read between lines that aren't there so that you may somehow twist them to fit your inexperienced opinions. As far as I am concerned Damn Straight every child in the world deserves an ideal life, with ideal parents, in an ideal surrounding.........Is that necessarily possible NO but it is possible for a fuckin crack head living on welfare that already has 4 kids she can't feed to NOT have the fuckin kid in her belly to become another damn statistic with no father. Stop spouting your BS ..........Your close minded BS.........and think........just for a minute THINK...........when you have your child do you or do you not what it to have the best of everything you can give it.........2 parents, a home, education, love, and happiness? I damn well hope so! And to do that wether YOU like it or not it means waiting until you are able to provide that because EVERY CHILD DESERVES IT!!!!!!!!

 

[HighIntensity]

your not the only one involved though star, trust me guys can hurt just as much.

 

[Fonz]

your not the only one involved though star, trust me guys can hurt just as much.

Got that right.

The difference involves a thick tree, my fists and some
blood..........

Fonz

 

[p0ink]

give her lots of liqour, punch her in the gut a few times, and then push her down a flight of stairs.

 

[HighIntensity]

I can't wait till someone kills p0ink

 

[Fonz]

I can't wait till someone kills p0ink

Kill pOink? Why?

He's funnier than Jay Leno on a good day. He cracks
me up.

Fonz

 

[HighIntensity]

hey its all good Fonz,

p.s. hes a very disturbed little boy, who blambs alot on the fact that he was 140 pounds at 6'3...Bulking does not mean eating all the kings cake for 2 years pinky.

we have a little history, and i hate his comments to women, includeing raina

 

[Fonz]

hey its all good Fonz,

p.s. hes a very disturbed little boy, who blambs alot on the fact that he was 140 pounds at 6'3...Bulking does not mean eating all the kings cake for 2 years pinky.

we have a little history, and i hate his comments to women, includeing raina

What did he do to Raina?

She seems like a nice person(on-line).

Fonz

 

[p0ink]

hi, still getting flashbacks of your dads 5 o'clock shadow rubbing against your thighs?

p.s. raina knows those comments werent even about her, just the fact she posted on my thread. check your facts.

 

[HighIntensity]

you seem to be intrigued by some made up story about my father molesting me? lol

but then again most of what you spit are lies, I already proved that...keep it up dough boy I have some goods on you,,,

they are fact

 

[dballer]

My girlfriend is a few days late so we will be getting a pregnancy test soon, but in the meantime I just want to figure out what would be the cheapest and quickest way to abort if neccessary.

I have been doing a little research and it seems that doctors use Mifeprex (RU-486) along with another drug called misoprostol (Cytotec) to terminate the prenancy. I live in GA and was wondering if anyone knew how difficult or how hard it would be to get this done through a planned pregnancy center or health clinic. If it isn't easy to get done would I need both drugs or would Mifeprex alone do the trick? I am pretty tight on money so I can't really spend alot, definitely not more than $100. Anyone have some advice or help? Feel free to post or shoot me an email.

get ready to spend the rest of you life on your knees. You are about to commit a crime against God. I am not the judge or jury... but.... YOU ARE GOING TO HELL!!!!