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Secret Patriot Act II Destroys
Remaining US Liberty

Total Police State Takeover
The Secret Patriot Act II Destroys What
Is Left of American Liberty
By Alex Jones

www.infowars.com
2-11-3

Congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex) told the Washington Times that no member of Congress was allowed to read the first Patriot Act that was passed by the House on October 27, 2001. The first Patriot Act was universally decried by civil libertarians and Constitutional scholars from across the political spectrum. William Safire, while writing for the New York Times, described the first Patriot Act's powers by saying that President Bush was seizing dictatorial control.

On February 7, 2003 the Center for Public Integrity, a non-partisan public interest think-tank in DC, revealed the full text of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003. The classified document had been leaked to them by an unnamed source inside the Federal government. The document consisted of a 33-page section by section analysis of the accompanying 87-page bill.

*Note: On February 10, 2003 I discovered that not only was there a house version that had been covertly brought to Hastert, but that many provisions of the now public Patriot Act II had already been introduced as pork barrel riders on Senate Bill S. 22. Dozens of subsections and even the titles of the subsections are identical to those in the House version. This is very important because it catches the Justice Department in a bald-faced lie. The Justice Department claimed that the secret legislation brought into the House was only for study, and that at this time there was no intention to try and pass it. Now upon reading S. 22, it is clear that the leadership of the Senate is fully aware of the Patriot Act II, and have passed these riders out of their committees into the full bill. I spent two hours scanning through S. 22 and, let me tell you, it is a nightmare for anyone who loves liberty. It even contains the Our Lady of Peace Act that registers all gun owners. It bans the private sale of all firearms, creates a Federal ballistics database, and much more.

The bill itself is stamped 'Confidential ö Not for Distribution.' Upon reading the analysis and bill, I was stunned by the scientifically crafted tyranny contained in the legislation. The Justice Department Office of Legislative Affairs admits that they had indeed covertly transmitted a copy of the legislation to Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, (R-Il) and the Vice President of the United States, Dick Cheney as well as the executive heads of federal law enforcement agencies.

It is important to note that no member of Congress was allowed to see the first Patriot Act before its passage, and that no debate was tolerate by the House and Senate leadership. The intentions of the White House and Speaker Hastert concerning Patriot Act II appear to be a carbon copy replay of the events that led to the unprecedented passage of the first Patriot Act.

There are two glaring areas that need to be looked at concerning this new legislation:

1. The secretive tactics being used by the White House and Speaker Hastert to keep even the existence of this legislation secret would be more at home in Communist China than in the United States. The fact that Dick Cheney publicly managed the steamroller passage of the first Patriot Act, insuring that no one was allowed to read it and publicly threatening members of Congress that if they didn't vote in favor of it that they would be blamed for the next terrorist attack, is by the White House's own definition terrorism. The move to clandestinely craft and then bully passage of any legislation by the Executive Branch is clearly an impeachable offense.

2. The second Patriot Act is a mirror image of powers that Julius Caesar and Adolf Hitler gave themselves. Whereas the First Patriot Act only gutted the First, Third, Fourth and Fifth Amendments, and seriously damaged the Seventh and the Tenth, the Second Patriot Act reorganizes the entire Federal government as well as many areas of state government under the dictatorial control of the Justice Department, the Office of Homeland Security and the FEMA NORTHCOM military command. The Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003, also known as the Second Patriot Act is by its very structure the definition of dictatorship.

I challenge all Americans to study the new Patriot Act and to compare it to the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence. Ninety percent of the act has nothing to do with terrorism and is instead a giant Federal power-grab with tentacles reaching into every facet of our society. It strips American citizens of all of their rights and grants the government and its private agents total immunity.

Here is a quick thumbnail sketch of just some of the draconian measures encapsulated within this tyrannical legislation:

SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush administration's "enemy combatant" definition to all American citizens who "may" have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism, and the definition is "any action that endangers human life that is a violation of any Federal or State law.") Section 501 of the second Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act isn't broad enough and that a new, unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.

Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The Justice Department states that they can do this because the person "had inferred from conduct" that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or State law can result in the "enemy combatant" terrorist designation.

SECTION 201 of the second Patriot Act makes it a criminal act for any member of the government or any citizen to release any information concerning the incarceration or whereabouts of detainees. It also states that law enforcement does not even have to tell the press who they have arrested and they never have to release the names.

SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a national database of "suspected terrorists" and radically expand the database to include anyone associated with suspected terrorist groups and anyone involved in crimes or having supported any group designated as "terrorist." These sections also set up a national DNA database for anyone on probation or who has been on probation for any crime, and orders State governments to collect the DNA for the Federal government.

SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying operations against the American people and would place substantial restrictions on court injunctions against Federal violations of civil rights across the board.

SECTION 101 will designate individual terrorists as foreign powers and again strip them of all rights under the "enemy combatant" designation.

SECTION 102 states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news gathering illegal.

SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that a state of war exists.

SECTION 106 is bone-chilling in its straightforwardness. It states that broad general warrants by the secret FSIA court (a panel of secret judges set up in a star chamber system that convenes in an undisclosed location) granted under the first Patriot Act are not good enough. It states that government agents must be given immunity for carrying out searches with no prior court approval. This section throws out the entire Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures.

SECTION 109 allows secret star chamber courts to issue contempt charges against any individual or corporation who refuses to incriminate themselves or others. This sections annihilate the last vestiges of the Fifth Amendment.

SECTION 110 restates that key police state clauses in the first Patriot Act were not sunsetted and removes the five year sunset clause from other subsections of the first Patriot Act. After all, the media has told us: "this is the New America. Get used to it. This is forever."

SECTION 111 expands the definition of the "enemy combatant" designation.

SECTION 122 restates the government's newly announced power of "surveillance without a court order."

SECTION 123 restates that the government no longer needs warrants and that the investigations can be a giant dragnet-style sweep described in press reports about the Total Information Awareness Network. One passage reads, "thus the focus of domestic surveillance may be less precise than that directed against more conventional types of crime."

*Note: Over and over again, in subsection after subsection, the second Patriot Act states that its new Soviet-type powers will be used to fight international terrorism, domestic terrorism and other types of crimes. Of course the government has already announced in Section 802 of the first USA Patriot act that any crime is considered domestic terrorism.

SECTION 126 grants the government the right to mine the entire spectrum of public and private sector information from bank records to educational and medical records. This is the enacting law to allow ECHELON and the Total Information Awareness Network to totally break down any and all walls of privacy.

The government states that they must look at everything to "determine" if individuals or groups might have a connection to terrorist groups. As you can now see, you are guilty until proven innocent.

SECTION 127 allows the government to takeover coroners' and medical examiners' operations whenever they see fit. See how this is like Bill Clinton's special medical examiner he had in Arkansas that ruled that people had committed suicide when their arms and legs had been cut off.

SECTION 128 allows the Federal government to place gag orders on Federal and State Grand Juries and to take over the proceedings. It also disallows individuals or organizations to even try to quash a Federal subpoena. So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action.

SECTION 129 destroys any remaining whistleblower protection for Federal agents.

SECTION 202 allows corporations to keep secret their activities with toxic biological, chemical or radiological materials.

SECTION 205 allows top Federal officials to keep all their financial dealings secret, and anyone investigating them can be considered a terrorist. This should be very useful for Dick Cheney to stop anyone investigating Haliburton.

SECTION 303 sets up national DNA database of suspected terrorists. The database will also be used to "stop other unlawful activities." It will share the information with state, local and foreign agencies for the same purposes.

SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department in the area of information sharing.

SECTION 313 provides liability protection for businesses, especially big businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security, violating their privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are all preventative measures ö has anyone seen Minority Report? This is the access hub for the Total Information Awareness Network.

SECTION 321 authorizes foreign governments to spy on the American people and to share information with foreign governments.

SECTION 322 removes Congress from the extradition process and allows officers of the Homeland Security complex to extradite American citizens anywhere they wish. It also allows Homeland Security to secretly take individuals out of foreign countries.

SECTION 402 is titled "Providing Material Support to Terrorism." The section reads that there is no requirement to show that the individual even had the intent to aid terrorists.

SECTION 403 expands the definition of weapons of mass destruction to include any activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce.

SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or "other criminals" to use encryption in the commission of a crime.

SECTION 408 creates "lifetime parole" (basically, slavery) for a whole host of crimes.

SECTION 410 creates no statute of limitations for anyone that engages in terrorist actions or supports terrorists. Remember: any crime is now considered terrorism under the first Patriot Act.

SECTION 411 expands crimes that are punishable by death. Again, they point to Section 802 of the first Patriot Act and state that any terrorist act or support of terrorist act can result in the death penalty.

SECTION 421 increases penalties for terrorist financing. This section states that any type of financial activity connected to terrorism will result to time in prison and $10-50,000 fines per violation.

SECTIONS 427 sets up asset forfeiture provisions for anyone engaging in terrorist activities.

There are many other sections that I did not cover in the interest of time. The American people were shocked by the despotic nature of the first Patriot Act. The second Patriot Act dwarfs all police state legislation in modern world history.

Usually, corrupt governments allow their citizens lots of wonderful rights on paper, while carrying out their jackbooted oppression covertly. From snatch and grab operations to warantless searches, Patriot Act II is an Adolf Hitler wish list.

You can understand why President Bush, Dick Cheney and Dennis Hastert want to keep this legislation secret not just from Congress, but the American people as well. Bill Allison, Managing Editor of the Center for Public Integrity, the group that broke this story, stated on my radio show that it was obvious that they were just waiting for another terrorist attack to opportunistically get this new bill through. He then shocked me with an insightful comment about how the Federal government was crafting this so that they could go after the American people in general. He also agreed that the FBI has been quietly demonizing patriots and Christians and "those who carry around pocket Constitutions."

Of course, the current group of white collar criminals in the White House might not care that we're finding out the details of their next phase. Because, after all, when smallpox gets released, or more buildings start blowing up, the President can stand up there at his lectern suppressing a smirk, squeeze out a tear or two, and tell us that "See I was right. I had to take away your rights to keep you safe. And now it's your fault that all of these children are dead." From that point on, anyone who criticizes tyranny will be shouted down by the paid talking head government mouthpieces in the mainstream media.

You have to admit, it's a beautiful script. Unfortunately, it's being played out in the real world. If we don't get the word out that government is using terror to control our lives while doing nothing to stop the terrorists, we will deserve what we get - tyranny. But our children won't deserve it.
 
urallknobgobblers said:
that is fucked up.

If we are gonna do all this shit.. I wish we would just take over the world so I can rape and pillage some foreign women and their homes. Then It would be worth it.

But I have yet to see many terrorsits in my neighborhood. I just wish the cops could catch my exgirlfriend that keeps vandalising my house cause she misses the dizzick.
 
Living in the Republik of Kalifornia -- we've had our own patriot act in place for YEARS. The government controls everything and wants all your money to boot.
 
urallknobgobblers said:
If we are gonna do all this shit.. I wish we would just take over the world so I can rape and pillage some foreign women and their homes. Then It would be worth it.

Actually the whole purpose of this is so that the powers that be can literally do just that to US.
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Actually the whole purpose of this is so that the powers that be can literally do just that to US.

Well that sucks then.. The world was a way better place when my biggest worry was what weapon to use in the Legend OF Zelda.
 
Congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex) told the Washington Times that no member of Congress was allowed to read the first Patriot Act that was passed by the House on October 27, 2001.

OK, I didn't read the entire post but the first sentence is bullshot. No member of congress was "allowed" to read it? WTF! Of course they were allowed to read it. Whether they actually did read it or read the entire bill is a different matter. Didn't members of congress write it? Come on, this is paranoid. If congress doesn't like the bill or didn't read it, why would they vote for it?
 
Fuck this... I don't want to be taken away as a suspected terrorist under these laws

::clicks heels and does Nazi salute::

Heil Bush! Heil Bush! Heil Bush! Heil our fuhrer who rules with benevolence and wisdom!
 
He has a standing army of police, FBI and ATF agents.

And thats all he needs to throw your ass in jail for some minor violation.

And I guarantee when they do toss you away.. they will somenhow "find" all kinds of child porn, drugs and terorist ties in your belongings..

That way the average traielr park joe is CONVINCED you must be guilty. No public outcry when they fuck you with no real evidence other than what they manufacture.
 
Milo Hobgoblin said:
He has a standing army of police, FBI and ATF agents.

And thats all he needs to throw your ass in jail for some minor violation.

And I guarantee when they do toss you away.. they will somenhow "find" all kinds of child porn, drugs and terorist ties in your belongings..

I suppose he does have an SS, although I hope they aren't as blindly stupid in following orders as the Nazis.

As for the second part, no quotes were needed.

EDIT: What I was trying to say was that the SS were people who shared in the Nazi ideology..... just because a bill passes granting broad Presidential authority doesn't mean the ATF and other police forces are Presidential puppets. At least I hope not.
 
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Bro if you dont think the ATF and FBI are simple minded puppets of the government.. then you havnt been watchng much news in the last ten years.

the ONLY thing those guys are concerned about are their careers and not making their bosses look bad.

They will never admit failure and to them the average citizen is just a criminal who hasnt committed a crime yet.

they ARE the SS.

and WE are FUCKED.
 
Milo Hobgoblin said:
He has a standing army of police, FBI and ATF agents.

And thats all he needs to throw your ass in jail for some minor violation.

And I guarantee when they do toss you away.. they will somenhow "find" all kinds of child porn, drugs and terorist ties in your belongings..

That way the average traielr park joe is CONVINCED you must be guilty. No public outcry when they fuck you with no real evidence other than what they manufacture.

"You must spread K around..."

Glad to see at least some people are not sleepwalking into the herding pen.
 
If this comes down I will be the wolf hunting the pen keepers.

Ill just have to be real carefukl not to accidentally kill any of the sheeple.
 
This act is so broad that nearly everybody could be deemed to be a terrorist:

SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush administration's "enemy combatant" definition to all American citizens who "may" have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism, and the definition is "any action that endangers human life that is a violation of any Federal or State law.")

Driving your car can endanger human life in violation of Federal or State law - as a car driver you could be seen as a terrorist. It is possible that you got into your car for the purpose of running people over and harming them - terrorist acts. And section 501 defines "enemy combatant" as any American citizen who may have violated any provision of section 802.

Well, that's almost everybody.
 
uhh...welcome to 2003.

"The Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003" aka the patriot act 2 was shelved and never even came up for a vote. patriot act 1 is already set to sunset next year, and they might not even have the votes to extend that.

please go and read the actual contents of <insert whatever bill here> before relying on conspiratorial websites the kook fringe relies on for their news. they are meant to scare you...even if it means brushing aside those pesky things called facts.

the sky is not falling.
 
Milo Hobgoblin said:
Bro if you dont think the ATF and FBI are simple minded puppets of the government.. then you havnt been watchng much news in the last ten years.

the ONLY thing those guys are concerned about are their careers and not making their bosses look bad.

They will never admit failure and to them the average citizen is just a criminal who hasnt committed a crime yet.

they ARE the SS.

and WE are FUCKED.

If the government tries to disarm the gentry, then I'll start getting suspicious
 
chaos mage said:
If the government tries to disarm the gentry, then I'll start getting suspicious

have you taken a look at the democrats and their position on firearm ownership?
 
p0ink said:
have you taken a look at the democrats and their position on firearm ownership?

We're talking about Bush and tyranny, but from what I know Kerry is a gun owner. He just wants stricter background checks and child-safety locks. And a way to trace the weapons. This could be just lip-service, I really do not know how he would implement "better background checks", or if that means anyone who pisses in the street can't have a gun.

This said, if the goal of an administration is authoritarian power, complete disarmement of the populace would be the first step. I don't see how Kerry or Bush could do this under the facade of "war on terror"
 
deconstructing america....if Bush is re-elected our work force will be highly impacted for the worse....this will ensure that the gap between rich and poor grows steadily further and futher apart....the middle class will not exist...when this happens- as throughout history shows-there is a REVOLUTION-and civil uprising....these laws, bills will pertain to "us", as WE will be the new terrorists.....
 
PBR said:
deconstructing america....if Bush is re-elected our work force will be highly impacted for the worse....this will ensure that the gap between rich and poor grows steadily further and futher apart....the middle class will not exist...when this happens- as throughout history shows-there is a REVOLUTION-and civil uprising....these laws, bills will pertain to "us", as WE will be the new terrorists.....

That time traveller guy said we would be in going into a Civil War this fall. From the Iraqi soldiers I have talked to, I would not be surprised when, if Bush gets reelected, that they form their own army and raid Washington.
 
brasil is looking better and better...

ill take crime and poverty in brasil over being yanked up in the night for speaking for freedom against my goverment. and then my family cant talk about my arrest or disclose any information about whats happened!?!?

fuck this
 
gonelifting said:
You don`t like it, move the hell out of the country.

Don't mind if I do.
 
The sad thing is, Bush and Co are not the real danger.

Bush, Asscroft etc, all know what these laws are intended for. The patriot act and Patriot 2 have been on the books for quite some time now. There have not been rampant abuses, and the Supreme Court ruled against the government in the Padilla case.

These types of laws are never abused by their creators.

Subsequent governments are the abusers. A future President or leader (any party) will look to these laws as a means of getting something done, silencing opposition, or doing something otherwise questionable.

The other problem is law enforcement. There is almost NO connection between arrest and what happens in court. This is by design; courts are designed to provide redress of grievances, and they do.

However, merely arresting someone throws their life in disarray, it is very expensive, and it changes behavior even if the courts vindicate the person.

Some examples of both of my points:

1. The Interstate Commerce Act and RICO. Both of these had narrolwy defined roles when introduced into legislation. The ICA has been used to allow the federsal government osme sort of oversight into anything and everything it wants. RICO was designed to arrest people like John Gotti; today it is used against street level drug dealers. (as if Tyrone on the block in Compton knows what Racketeering is)

Neither of those laws was misused by their creators. But in time, all were misued to achieve an end. Imagine the potential for Patriot Act abuse. And it will happen. But it won't be George Bush and Co. doing it.

2. The arrest of NBA star Allen Iverson, who was charged with all kinds of Patriot Act - derived crimes. Mr Iverson makes $20M per year, so he hired a lawyer and the charges were dropped. This is just; Iverson is no terrorist. Could YOU fight the government if this happened to you?


The enemy is not the government. It is not Bush or Ashcroft or Kerry or any of those people. The enemy is INFINITE IGNORANCE: uninformed people who jump to conclusions and listen to any voice they hear.

Alex Jones is a jackass. Instead of fostering reasoned discussion of the laws government is passing, he is yelling like the Town Crier to advance some sort of agenda,

Instead of discussion, we get "Bush is the Fuhrer" (yeah right, some of you don't even know what years WW2 happened) and the ATF is the SS.

Clearly, this is not correct. But by shouting about it WITHOUT understanding these laws or their purpose or the history of this type of behavior, you only make the problem worse.

Our doom will not come at the hands of the president. it will be wrought by a population of morons in a nation that took the bold step of granting Power to the People.
 
government death squads...civil unrest..snatching you up at night...civil wars...blah blah blah.

if you people actually believe all of this non-sense, i hope you are all strong supporters of the second amendment, in every possible way, so you will be ready when 'the revolution' starts.

:rolleyes:
 
p0ink said:
government death squads...civil unrest..snatching you up at night...civil wars...blah blah blah.

if you people actually believe all of this non-sense, i hope you are all strong supporters of the second amendment, in every possible way, so you will be ready when 'the revolution' starts.

:rolleyes:


youll be the first to die in.... 'the revolution'

blind men don't do well in life and death situations like that.
 
BO-DEN said:
youll be the first to die in.... 'the revolution'

blind men don't do well in life and death situations like that.

you really need to stop reading whatever propaganda you are currently being brainwashed with. please come back to the land of the sane. it's not healthy.
 
poink and BODEN proving that as i said above IGNORANCE is the greatest enemy.


Took 3 minutes to see proof of my post. Wow.
 
p0ink said:
you really need to stop reading whatever propaganda you are currently being brainwashed with. please come back to the land of the sane. it's not healthy.

little brother.

you seem to read every american news (neo-sheep-media-bullshit) paper online. and cry about the bullshit lies youve read on this very website everyday.

and you have the audacity to speak about propaganda?

you have alot of nerve.

ps.get off the GOP nutz im republican but my life dosnt revolve around my political status. and i dont have time to belly ack about the liberal this, and libreral that.. when their are real problems without solutions

BO-
DEN
 
"2. The arrest of NBA star Allen Iverson, who was charged with all kinds of Patriot Act - derived crimes. Mr Iverson makes $20M per year, so he hired a lawyer and the charges were dropped. This is just; Iverson is no terrorist. Could YOU fight the government if this happened to you?"


Jackass or not he does serve a purpose.. sometimes you have to ignore the messenger and just listen to the message.

In spite of hugge amounts of propaganda, hatred and yes.. even ignorance.

There is some truth to many of his messages.

Its up to the reader to look into what he is sayign research it and find out for yourself.

But Matt, keep this in mind. If it werent for people like him.. soem of these things would NEVER be heard in any form twisted or not.

And Ill settle for peopel getting a crazy message with a werid mix of fantasy and truth over no message at all.

At least it will get people thinking and in reality peopel like Alex Jones and many others.. tahts all they are trying to do.. they just realize that without being on the fringe .. most people will not be interested enough to read.
 
Follow up...


Patriot Act II: Final Piece of Police State Puzzle Ready

American Free Press | September 27 2004

The Bush administration’s allies in Congress, led by J. Dennis Hastert of Illinois, the speaker of the House, have launched another assault on constitutionally protected civil liberties with a bill many are calling Patriot Act II (PA II). However, it is not to be confused with the 2003 version of Patriot Act II. But according to the Associated Press, in a draft of the House GOP legislation, many of the provisions are similar to the draft copy of the “Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003” that leaked out of the Justice Department in January 2003.

Many Democrats and civil libertarians charge the new PA II authorizes heavy-handed infringements on civil liberties. House Democratic leaders and civil liberties advocates said on Sept. 22 that the Republican bill ostensibly responding to the findings of the 9-11 commission would go well beyond the panel’s recommendations. It would call for broad new powers for law enforcement agencies, they said, and would include new authority to conduct electronic surveillance in terrorism investigations.

Among the provisions, said AP, are measures on the deportation of aliens who are suspected of being linked to foreign revolutionary groups which have been labeled as terrorists, mandatory pretrial detention for terrorism suspects, warrants against non-citizens even when a target can’t be tied to a foreign power and enhanced penalties for threats or attempts to use chemical or nuclear weapons.

John Feehery is a spokesman for Hastert. Feehery told AP that criticism of the bill was unwarranted as of the evening of Sept. 22, because the legislation was still not in final form and was not ready for release to the public. A spokesman for House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) agreed on Sept. 22 that House members were still working on a final version of the legislation.

But critics warn that the proposed law is aimed against the entire U.S. population, not a minority of Arab immigrants.

The proposal, they say, would grant the government the power to strip citizenship of native-born Americans and deport them without any evidence of wrongdoing, even though this would be contrary to the Constitution.

It would also allow for secret arrests, secret trials and secret torturing of “suspects.” Habeas corpus, Americans’ most sacred right, would be eliminated.

The law would also remove all restrictions on police spying on citizens.

Patriot Act II would create 15 new death penalties, one of which could be applied to acts of protest. Under the Hastert measure’s definitions, anti-war protesters could be deemed terrorists. In fact, any dissident could be spied on, harassed, and imprisoned indefinitely for exercising their legal and constitutionally protected rights.

This legislation would give the government the same power that Stalin and Julius Caesar gave themselves, said one detractor.

While terrorism certainly is a threat that must be addressed, curtailing the civil liberties of innocent Americans is by no means a way of doing so.

AFP readers will recall that the first so-called Patriot Act was passed without the members of Congress being allowed to view the draft of the bill. Those who wanted it to be read and debated were told to vote for it or they would be blamed for the next terrorist outrage. It passed overwhelmingly.

Many experts fear similar tactics will be used to pass PA II, keeping the public ignorant of the proposed law’s existence until it is too late.

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MattTheSkywalker said:
poink and BODEN proving that as i said above IGNORANCE is the greatest enemy.


Took 3 minutes to see proof of my post. Wow.


good luck, smart ass... cause you house is first on the (get supplies list)
 
can someone tell me if it says anything about them searching my computer connection and finding out about the porn i look at.

other than that i dont have anything to hide.

(ps, can u send me the answer in a K msg, it can be red if u want -so u mods dont think im kcheating- but i am not gunna look back at this thread again cause its too serious for me)
 
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