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how far did you get in school?

anyone have their masters (NOT MBA's) or pursuing a Ph.D?

I am seeking post graduate degree experiences, especially in programs such as: Psych, soc., criminal j, etc...

Dissertation proposals, titles, publications?

what all did you go through?

I am in the middle of mine and it's taking 50000x longer than I ever expected. I am on 1 and a half years and no way in hell will I be done in the next year or two.

Or is anyone here even educated?

SMURFY? You just have a B.A.?
 
I dropped out after two years of college.

I realized it's not what you know it's who you know.




Thank you and goodnight!
 
Did a Ph.D. and an MBA.

Here's the trick with any degree that requires a thesis or dissertation: YOU control the pace of the research and writing. A lot of professors aren't in a hurry and typically they get a ton of collateral work from their graduate students (a.k.a. slave labor). Remember too that a lot of professors sneak-in a lot of downtime (i.e. take December off) and that can effect you too.

So pick a dissertation or thesis subject, then get everything on the schedule. If you're doing basic research you obviously can't schedule the breakthroughs but you can schedule the experiments. Schedule regular reviews and make your milestones well-defined. Don't let your scope creep either. If he tries to broaden your research simply say, "I bet that would be a great dissertation or post-doc project".

Bottom Line: You do the planning and scheduling -- don't rely on the preceptor to set the pace, or you'll be there forever.
 
MBA, but a relatively unique one (Hospitality Global Business). Not your typical biz grad degree. Did it in about 2 years total and also worked during that time. Our big "thesis/dissertation" was to run a 4-hour seminar on the topic of our choice for our class, professors, dean and industry professionals attending as invited guests.

At the end of the day, I really made the move (to attend grad school) b/c I felt I needed more time to grow the fuck up post-undergrad and wanted to get some additional resume substance as well. I'd say it worked out very well against those original goals, but haven't seen much results since then (i.e. I'm not necessarily making more casheeeeeesh right now cause of the degree).
 
Anyone I have ever spoken to on the subject says that unless you want to go into teaching or running something like a hospital then doing a doctorate is a total waste of time.

My fiance (policy worker for a major hospital) works with PhD people who make $18 an hour (VERY low compared to what she makes with an MA and years of work experience). Her brother is pursuing his in clinical psyche - the guy is 34 and has been in school for ten years. If he had stopped six years ago and started working he would be way better off right now.
 
i've started a forestry BS to concide with my BA (well, actually won't start till winter).
if i can make the grade i will attempt to get the grad degree as well, yay for me
 
My undergrad g.p.a. pretty much insures no chance of studying at the next level. Back then I use to like to drink and not take my responsibilities seriously.

And now ... yeah, pretty much the same thing :)
 
the_clockwork said:
how far did you get in school?

anyone have their masters (NOT MBA's) or pursuing a Ph.D?

I am seeking post graduate degree experiences, especially in programs such as: Psych, soc., criminal j, etc...

Dissertation proposals, titles, publications?

what all did you go through?

I am in the middle of mine and it's taking 50000x longer than I ever expected. I am on 1 and a half years and no way in hell will I be done in the next year or two.

Or is anyone here even educated?

SMURFY? You just have a B.A.?
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I have a B.A in Psych. I was 3 classes a thesis away from my M.A in Psych. I LOVED the grad classwork, but I was absolutely dreadling the thesis. Then i got pregnant and gave up on it.
If i ever went back to school (highly unlikely at this point, do they have discounts for senior citizens?) I'd go for my Masters in School Counseling. Id love to be a Guidance Counselor.
 
Ive got a Masters in Drinking,gambling and chasing Asian Sluts.
 
mrplunkey said:
Did a Ph.D. and an MBA.

Here's the trick with any degree that requires a thesis or dissertation: YOU control the pace of the research and writing. A lot of professors aren't in a hurry and typically they get a ton of collateral work from their graduate students (a.k.a. slave labor). Remember too that a lot of professors sneak-in a lot of downtime (i.e. take December off) and that can effect you too.

So pick a dissertation or thesis subject, then get everything on the schedule. If you're doing basic research you obviously can't schedule the breakthroughs but you can schedule the experiments. Schedule regular reviews and make your milestones well-defined. Don't let your scope creep either. If he tries to broaden your research simply say, "I bet that would be a great dissertation or post-doc project".

Bottom Line: You do the planning and scheduling -- don't rely on the preceptor to set the pace, or you'll be there forever.
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I agree 100%.

My trick to getting out quickly is to make sure the individual topic papers you write for your classes are related to your dissertation. That way you have the lit review, empirical analysis etc. done. Merge the papers, edit them to make them look pretty and you are out faster than most people.
 
Army Vet said:
I agree 100%.

My trick to getting out quickly is to make sure the individual topic papers you write for your classes are related to your dissertation. That way you have the lit review, empirical analysis etc. done. Merge the papers, edit them to make them look pretty and you are out faster than most people.
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That's a killer point.

A post-graduate degree isn't a time to explore the educational landscape. Take as many classes specifically in your subject and steer every class project toward your dissertation.

I remember my preceptor got pissed-off over his teaching load and decided to do an entire class on his research in neuroscience. I was one of the two total students in the lab, so 50% of the class was on my current work. I jumped on that class like a fat girl on a donught.
 
b.sc.

degree itself didn't do anything for me knowledge wise except for making me enjoy 4 years of partyhing, making friends and enjoying ladies...

but it helps later for getting jobs (tho i still could've gotten them w/o a degree), army (higher grade, can become an officer), dating (my bf has a degree!), loans, investors, parental pride, crap like that.

But all that can be replaced simply by making tons of money :)

c
 
chris302001 said:
i got my ged on a late night infomercial.
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But then you stayed at a Holiday Inn, and now you're gonna be a doctor!

That might mean a salaried government employee, but let's not get hung-up on the detail right now.
 
mrplunkey said:
But then you stayed at a Holiday Inn, and now you're gonna be a doctor!

That might mean a salaried government employee, but let's not get hung-up on the detail right now.
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Its not gonna go 100% universal. Then again, I didnt think Barry would get elected either. Oh well, either way I still get to do the coolest shit on earth.
 
chris302001 said:
Its not gonna go 100% universal. Then again, I didnt think Barry would get elected either. Oh well, either way I still get to do the coolest shit on earth.
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You shouldn't be able to get rich off my health. It's time for social justice!
 
chris302001 said:
who said anything about getting rich?
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All doctors are rich. You guys charge $20 for an aspirin.

You're not trading-up your Porsche just because I catch the flu!!!

Barry's gonna put an end to your bourgeois ways.
 
chris302001 said:
lololol
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Barry's gonna wipe that lololol of your keyboard!

I already don't have to worry about putting gas in my car or paying my mortgage -- soon I'm not gonna have to worry about my health either.

You're day's coming, sucker.

 
mrplunkey said:
Barry's gonna wipe that lololol of your keyboard!

I already don't have to worry about putting gas in my car or paying my mortgage -- soon I'm not gonna have to worry about my health either.

You're day's coming, sucker.
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Where's my stimulus package?
 
chris302001 said:
who said anything about getting rich?
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who is this "rich" that everyone keeps talking about getting? and i say let's get the bastard :lmao:

oh, most of the doctors i know ain't "rich". . .not compared to their level of effort/education. . .by comparison, i know quite a number of insurance guys that are stinking rich. . .and they don't do shit. . .unless you count golfing :rolleyes:
 
digimon7068 said:
who is this "rich" that everyone keeps talking about getting? and i say let's get the bastard :lmao:

oh, most of the doctors i know ain't "rich". . .not compared to their level of effort/education. . .by comparison, i know quite a number of insurance guys that are stinking rich. . .and they don't do shit. . .unless you count golfing :rolleyes:
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you mean theres an easier way to make money than 11+ years of training after high school???????


fuck me in the goat ass!
 
javaguru said:
The president claims surgeons remove tonsils and amputate limbs exclusively for profit...you dirty bastards!!!



How did that speech get approved?
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Chris38923733452589325 ain't getting my tonsils!

He's just looking for another trophy to hang on the rear view mirror of his Porsche.

You sick fucker.
 
chris302001 said:
we're a horrible group of people.
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I found the video ironic because there was a discussion about removing my tonsils when I was a kid. I was delivered by the family doctor..not a specialist...it was 1971 and a small town. He knew my medical record from day one and was sharp enough to take care of an emergency at my birth...I still tease my mother that she tried to kill me by wrapping the umbilical around my neck. I had issues with sore throats and he recommended monitoring the situation with my tonsils to determine if it was a real issue Vs. recommending removing the tonsils. Needless to say he was a great doctor....
 
chris302001 said:
Okay I'm happy with that !
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You can read my earlier post about my personal experience but my primary care giver delivered me...told my mom I was faking in grade school when I pretending to be sick..lanced the boil on my back, my cauliflower ear, and set my broken hand as our team doctor when I was in high school. Dr. High was old when he delivered me...but he was sharp as hell even as our team doctor...Dr. High was a great doctor.
 
mrplunkey said:
Did a Ph.D. and an MBA.

Here's the trick with any degree that requires a thesis or dissertation: YOU control the pace of the research and writing. A lot of professors aren't in a hurry and typically they get a ton of collateral work from their graduate students (a.k.a. slave labor). Remember too that a lot of professors sneak-in a lot of downtime (i.e. take December off) and that can effect you too.

So pick a dissertation or thesis subject, then get everything on the schedule. If you're doing basic research you obviously can't schedule the breakthroughs but you can schedule the experiments. Schedule regular reviews and make your milestones well-defined. Don't let your scope creep either. If he tries to broaden your research simply say, "I bet that would be a great dissertation or post-doc project".

Bottom Line: You do the planning and scheduling -- don't rely on the preceptor to set the pace, or you'll be there forever.
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hmm that is good advice... I am running into the broadening my research topics. My dissertation topic has been approved and I've begun research but I NEVER expected this. I end up working 100 hours a week and it is draining me. I fear if I "break" I will get so far off track it will be too much damage to ever recoup. How long before you got your PHD? I had a 2 year goal but that will pass without me blinking an eye. I am in psych so I new this was going to be nonstop research but trying to gather new information in the field is becoming near impossible. I've exhausted almost every source of survey and research I can imagine. Frustrating the hell out of me but I have so much money poured into this, I will continue to spin my tires I guess.
 
KillahBee said:
MBA, but a relatively unique one (Hospitality Global Business). Not your typical biz grad degree. Did it in about 2 years total and also worked during that time. Our big "thesis/dissertation" was to run a 4-hour seminar on the topic of our choice for our class, professors, dean and industry professionals attending as invited guests.

At the end of the day, I really made the move (to attend grad school) b/c I felt I needed more time to grow the fuck up post-undergrad and wanted to get some additional resume substance as well. I'd say it worked out very well against those original goals, but haven't seen much results since then (i.e. I'm not necessarily making more casheeeeeesh right now cause of the degree).
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No clue what the hell that is but assume something similiar to an MBA. I am not in this for the cash for a better job, I practically run my own business now and have done a lot better than I ever expected in my first 2 years. I'm not millionaire by any means and the way it's going, I will never be. What research did you do and present for 4 hours? I assume it wasn't real exhaustive (not belittling you, for once!)
 
some random thoughts
I may never get into a physicians assistant school because, though my grades rock there arent enough programs (schools) to go around and theyre competitive as hell...my closests choice without uprooting my family...yale
we'll see


my GP is so well off I bumped into her at the grocery store....
with her youngest in the body/baby carrier, her older child in the shopping cart...while i was muttering about the obscene priced of chicken breast...she says, I know right? we both look up...
awkwardness !
shes a kick ass dr too
she's also working in an "underserved" area to pay off her student loans/loan forgiveness
a "socialized" system will ultimately lower the costs of say, hospitals, but its going to eventually break the backs of the regular garden variety GP, that every fricken hmo like claim will have to go through
its horseshit....the way to fix it will be more available education, but whos going to pay for that?

also...I hope furtherest was an attempt at levity
 
Smurfy said:
I have a B.A in Psych. I was 3 classes a thesis away from my M.A in Psych. I LOVED the grad classwork, but I was absolutely dreadling the thesis. Then i got pregnant and gave up on it.
If i ever went back to school (highly unlikely at this point, do they have discounts for senior citizens?) I'd go for my Masters in School Counseling. Id love to be a Guidance Counselor.
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Oh I thought you already had your MA.... I went through the MA to get licensed and never had a problem with the classwork, it is one of the few things in school that I absolutely was fascinated with..

I think you need to start saving and go back!

Not sure on the MA programs requirements for recent studies. I do believe after 7 years in the BA you are required to retake all prereqs.

if the MA does not have those rules, I don't know if it does or not, you should do it... what university would you attend?!
 
shirlene29 said:
some random thoughts
I may never get into a physicians assistant school because, though my grades rock there arent enough programs (schools) to go around and theyre competitive as hell...my closests choice without uprooting my family...yale
we'll see


my GP is so well off I bumped into her at the grocery store....
with her youngest in the body/baby carrier, her older child in the shopping cart...while i was muttering about the obscene priced of chicken breast...she says, I know right? we both look up...
awkwardness !
shes a kick ass dr too
she's also working in an "underserved" area to pay off her student loans/loan forgiveness
a "socialized" system will ultimately lower the costs of say, hospitals, but its going to eventually break the backs of the regular garden variety GP, that every fricken hmo like claim will have to go through
its horseshit....the way to fix it will be more available education, but whos going to pay for that?

also...I hope furtherest was an attempt at levity
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no, I could lie and say it was but I don't reread anything or spell check on here... it is mostly from lack of sleep.. I only get on here around midnight for about 45 minutes to talk to a few people that I knoew
 
PICK3 said:
Top 3 paying jobs in the U.S. are M.D.'s:

Top-paying jobs - Anesthesiologist (1) - Money Magazine
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that list isnt worth the electricity required to render it on firefox for me to read. Anesthesia docs make good money, but are no where near the highest paid. OB and Psych coming next? Thats just stupid. Where are the rest of the ROAD residencies? Oh, and I said easier. Jnagger makes good money, more money than I will make when the market is hot, and I dont think he had to give up a decade of his life for teh job.
 
chris302001 said:
that list isnt worth the electricity required to render it on firefox for me to read. Anesthesia docs make good money, but are no where near the highest paid. OB and Psych coming next? Thats just stupid. Where are the rest of the ROAD residencies? Oh, and I said easier. Jnagger makes good money, more money than I will make when the market is hot, and I dont think he had to give up a decade of his life for teh job.
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Tell 'em Chris. I don't know why so many people are convinced physicans are loaded. Eventually some can make good money, but like you suggested, once you factor in the years of education required and the prodigious student loans incurred, there are far better ways to make money.
 
RottenWillow said:
Tell 'em Chris. I don't know why so many people are convinced physicans are loaded. Eventually some can make good money, but like you suggested, once you factor in the years of education required and the prodigious student loans incurred, there are far better ways to make money.
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I wish it was as easy as everyone seems to think. Back in the day it was when you could bill an insurance company and they would just pay whatever. Those days are gone.
 
chris302001 said:
I wish it was as easy as everyone seems to think. Back in the day it was when you could bill an insurance company and they would just pay whatever. Those days are gone.
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See? Barry's already fixed that.

Hope and change baby!
 
chris302001 said:
I wish it was as easy as everyone seems to think. Back in the day it was when you could bill an insurance company and they would just pay whatever. Those days are gone.
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Become a health insurance company exec. They're profitable as hell with tons of job security.
 
mrplunkey said:
Did a Ph.D. and an MBA.

Here's the trick with any degree that requires a thesis or dissertation: YOU control the pace of the research and writing. A lot of professors aren't in a hurry and typically they get a ton of collateral work from their graduate students (a.k.a. slave labor). Remember too that a lot of professors sneak-in a lot of downtime (i.e. take December off) and that can effect you too.

So pick a dissertation or thesis subject, then get everything on the schedule. If you're doing basic research you obviously can't schedule the breakthroughs but you can schedule the experiments. Schedule regular reviews and make your milestones well-defined. Don't let your scope creep either. If he tries to broaden your research simply say, "I bet that would be a great dissertation or post-doc project".

Bottom Line: You do the planning and scheduling -- don't rely on the preceptor to set the pace, or you'll be there forever.
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+1 bang on!!

I have a Masters in History... (thought I wanted to teach)

Oddly enough though I work for IBM :)
 
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