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Alright fellas... Decided to switch up the routine for my partners sake. His back wasn't allowing him to do deep and heavy squats or deads. We re arranged our routine with help from some of you guys so thanks for the suggestions. Todays workout:

Flats - 165x5, 190x5, 215x5, 240x5, 265x5
Incline DB Press - 3x80x10
Hammer Strength Dips - 2x180x10
Dips - 2x15xBW
Overhand Crossovers - 2x45x8
Underhand Crossovers - 2x35x8
Decline Ab Crunches - 2x25x8
Leg Raises - 2x10

It was a very nice change of pace. Felt a really good pump in my chest from the new session. I think it'll be good to change for a bit and then go back to Bill Starr's 5x5 after ZgZaz recovers fully.
 
New Training Routine:

The new split:

Day 1:
- Flats 5x5 Ramped Sets (2nd week 5-5-5-3-3, 3rd week 5-5-5-1-1)
- Incline dumbells - 3x10 Straight Sets
- Hammer Strength Dips - 2x10
- Bodyweight Dips - 2x15
- Weighted Abs - 4x8

Day 2:
- Front Squats - 5-5-5-3-3-3
- Chest Supported Rows - 5x5 Ramped Sets, 1x10 backoff set
- Chins - 3x-as many as possible
- Hammer Curls - 3x8

Day 3:
- Push Press - 5x5 Ramped Sets
- Flats - 5x5 Ramped Sets
- Skullcrushers - 4x8 Straight sets
- Decline Situps - 3x15

Day 4:
- Front Squats - 5x5 Straight Sets
- Jump Shrugs - 5x5 Ramped Sets, 1x15
- Chest Supported Rows - 5x8 Ramped Sets
- Barbell Curls - 5x5 Straight Sets, 1x10
 
BiggT said:
Just wanted to jump in so it's on my list of subscribed threads
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I appreciate that BiggT! ZgZaz mentioned that you helped out big time on the creation of this training so I'd like to thank you as well!
 
Day 2:
- Back Squats - 175x5-200x5-225x5-250x3-275x3-300x3
- Chest Supported Rows - 180x5-230x5-270x5-320x5-360x5, 1x10x180
- Chins - 1x15xBW, 1x11xBW, 1x10BW
- Pulldowns - 1x10x150, 2x10x130
- Hammer Curls - 3x8x35

Felt really good to go in the morning again. I think this might be a better time to go on the days I work a little later instead of going real late at night. Looking forward to Day 3.
 
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ricanx99 said:
Day 2:
- Front Squats - 175x5-200x5-225x5-250x3-275x3-300x3
- Chest Supported Rows - 180x5-230x5-270x5-320x5-360x5, 1x10x180
- Chins - 1x15xBW, 1x11xBW, 1x10BW
- Pulldowns - 1x10x150, 2x10x130
- Hammer Curls - 3x8x35

Felt really good to go in the morning again. I think this might be a better time to go on the days I work a little later instead of going real late at night. Looking forward to Day 3.
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The copying and pasting of the routine got you, make sure you change yours from "front squats" in todays to "back squats". Good workout tho!
 
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Sarge_ said:
Variety is the spice of life :)


Another beast in the making... you guys are doing awesome.
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Thanks bro! I wanna say thanks also for the training regime you helped to put this new routine together. We are gonna continue punching everyone in the FACE after our big sets!
 
BiggT said:
Just wanted to jump in so it's on my list of subscribed threads
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Thanks BiggT! Zgzaz said you had a LOT to do with structuring this program so I wanna say thanks to you as well. Hope to see some good conditioning out of this as well as continuing to gain strength. Will def keep up with the posting.
 
Day 3 -

Push Press 5x5 - 95, 110, 125, 140, 155
Flats 5x8 - 145, 165, 185, 205, 225x10
Skull Crushers 4x8 - 70, 80, 90, 100
Cable pushdowns 3x10 - 140
Decline bench abs - 3x15xBW
DB Flyes 3x8 - 35lb DB

Overall, everything went well. Got all my lifts nice and smooth. The skull crushers made my left elbow throb tho... so I think next day 3 I'm gonna substitute for Close grip bench. For some reason, I always feel a substantial amount of pain in my left elbow from doing skull crushers so I have to switch it. I couldn't even do a single rep of one armed pushdowns with just 60lbs on the cable so that's why I opted to do the two armed pushdowns with a lightweight.
 
Day 4:

- Back Squats - 5x5 - Straight Sets at 275lbs
- Jump Shrugs - 5x5 - 185, 225, 245, 275, 295, 1x20x185
- T-Bar Rows - 5x8 - (weight only) - 80x8, 90x8, 100x8, 115x8, 135x8 (3 plates)
- Barbell Curls - 5x5 - 60,70,80,90,100, 1x10x60

A very, very hard day... In the sense of so much volume.... those squats were KILLER! Jump shrugs... Never done em until this workout and I like the difference in the hit of the trap... especially on the 20rep set.. They were on FIRE! The T-Bar rows were also relatively new.. hadn't done them in a very long time but felt good. Just gonna have to get used to that new form... I may implement Pendlay Rows back in for day 2... I'm gonna see how they go this second coming week. Other than that... GOOD LIFT!
 
Day 1: Week 2
- Flats 3x5, 2x3 - 150x5, 180x5, 210x5, 240x3, 270x3
- Incline dumbells - 3x85x10
- Hammer Strength Dips - 2x10x230
- Bodyweight Dips - 2x15
- Cable Crossovers - 3x10x60
- Weighted Abs - 4x8 w/25lb plate

Those incline DBs were pretty damn easy... unfortunately, within 2 weeks I won't be able to go past 95lb dbs because our gym doesnt go any higher than that. But everything else was great. Nice and easy day. Looking forward to tomorrow morning's back session.
 
that is alot of volume for chest....you sore today???

don't think i know what a hammer strength dip machine is...
 
jpt said:
that is alot of volume for chest....you sore today???

don't think i know what a hammer strength dip machine is...
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Yea, my chest is a bit sore but not as much as last week from this volume load... the hammer strength dip machine is seated w/chest support. The handles are on each side and its like a tricep pushdown. We make sure to focus the pushing on tricep and chest without letting the weight bounce. Its a bit different then what I'm used to but I like the feeling it gets.
 
Day 2 Week 2

Back Squats - 3x5, 3x3 - 155,185,215.... 245,275,305
Chest supported rows - 5x5 - 90x5, 180x5, 230x5, 270x5, 340x5, 190x10
Chins U.H. - 18reps, 11reps, 10reps
Lat pulldowns - 3x10x140
Hammer DB curls - 3x8x40
 
Day 3 Week 2

Standing Push Press - 100x5, 115x5, 130x5, 145x5, 160x5
Flats - 135x8, 160x8, 185x8, 210x8, 235x8
Cable Pushdowns - 1x10x190, 2x10x160
Close-grip bench - 115x8, 135x8, 155x8, 175x8
 
Day 4 week 2

Back Squats - 5x5 - straight set w/280lbs
Jump shrugs - 185x5, 215x5, 245x5, 275x5, 305x5...... 215x17
T-Bar rows - 5x8 (weight only) - 90, 105, 120, 135, 150
Barbell Curls - 5x5 - 70, 80, 90, 100, 110..... 70x10

Good, solid workout. I'll be in Vegas the next four days so I probably won't have a chance to cruise the boards. Have a great weekend!
 
Day 1 Week 3

Flats - 155x5, 185x5, 215x5, 255x1, 305x1
Incline DB - 3x90x10
BW dips - 4x15
Cable Crossovers - 3x70x10
Weighted decline abs - 4x8 w/35lb plate

Good start on my return from Vegas! 305 is a new max for me and I was surprised to get it so easy after being in Vegas for 4.5 days and only on 4.5 hours of sleep... Long trip home due to delays and shit... ah well, back on track w/a full head of steam!
 
i like your working a lot and i'm about to start my own 5x5 next week! haha
so i'm subscribing man.
best of luck!
 
Iggy- said:
i like your working a lot and i'm about to start my own 5x5 next week! haha
so i'm subscribing man.
best of luck!
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Nice.. thanks brotha... It's a slightly modified version of the 5x5... I did that for 9 weeks and had lots of success.... Switched up the routine to accomodate my training partner ZgZaz due to injury. But it looks as tho he's coming back with a full head of steam! Good luck on your training! I'll be keeping up with ur progress!
 
Day 2 Week 3

Squats - 160x5, 190x5, 220x5..... 250x3, 280x3, 310x3
Bent-over Rows - 135x5, 155x5, 175x5, 195x5, 215x5..... 155x10
Chins U.H. Grip - 1x23, 1x15, 1x11
Pulldowns - 3x10x150
Db Hammer Curls - 3x8x45

Good workout... a little earlier than the usual but everything went fine. Subbed the bent over rows in for chest supported rows because we want to get back to our main compound movements. Felt a lot better than the other ones for sure. Felt a better pull with these rows. Next week I'll be back to 3 wheels for reps on the squats. That'll be sweet... Man-pon son
 
Day 3 Week 3

Push Press - 105x5, 120x5, 135x5, 150x5, 165x5
Flats - 140x8, 165x8, 190x8, 215x8, 240x8
Pushdowns - 3x10x170
CG Bench - 3x6x185
Decline bench ab-work - 3x15xBW
Hammer Strength wide grip bench - 2x8x180 (weight only)

Good good workout... the first attempt of Push Presses at 165 I was only able to get 3 reps.... I racked the weight... Took about 4 minutes to get myself psyched back up and ATTACKED that bitch and OWNED it! Got all 5 reps. Felt good about that. Everything else was cake...
 
You have a pretty interesting split going on, it looks to have a good balance and variety without straying too much from the staples. It looks like the poundages are moving up steady for you. Did you deload the weight a bit from your prior 5x5?
 
JohnRobHolmes said:
You have a pretty interesting split going on, it looks to have a good balance and variety without straying too much from the staples. It looks like the poundages are moving up steady for you. Did you deload the weight a bit from your prior 5x5?
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Yessirr... In part to my training partner having a slight back issue that seems non-existent anymore. I did have to deload the flats and squats because I had reached a peak on both. I havent done deads since doing this new routine so I think they may be added in really soon. Maybe either on day 2 or 4 in place of one of the rows. I'm tyring to decide which row suits me best, whether its pendlay, 45 degree, chest supported or T-bar rows. Whichever one we decide on, we'll substitute deads in for the next back session. And thank you very much on the compliment. The pounds have been moving up due to a much better understanding of training and nutrition thanks to a lot of you on here. More than I can name so I give credit to many...
 
Day 4 Week 3

Squats - 5x5 w/285lbs straight set
Jump Shrugs 5x5... 1x20 - 195, 225, 255, 285, 315.... 215x20
T-Bar Rows 5x8 (weight only) - 105, 120, 135, 150, 165
Barbel Curls - 3x8x70, 1x8x80 1x5x90

Man, these day 4s are tough.... they are the most demanding, but I love em.... Man-Pon
 
Day 1 Week 4

Flats 5x5 - 175, 200, 225, 250, 275*
DB Incline presses - 3x8x95*
Hammer strength dip/pushdowns - 2x10x250
BW dips - 2x15
Cable Crossovers - 3x10x50
Weighted situps on decline - 4x10 w/35lb plate

This session wasn't one of my best for a few reasons. One, I was still groggy and tired from lack of sleep. Two, I was only able to complete 3 reps on my last flat bench set. Three, on my last set of incline DB presses, I got 7 reps, not 8. I think we are going to run this for a few more weeks and if the progress begins to halter, we may have to switch up this program. I like the amount of volume we do, but if it hinders gains then it will be time to reformulate.
 
Day 2 Week 4

Squats - 3x5, 3x3 - 165x5, 195x5, 225..... 255, 285, 315
Deadlifts - 4x5 - 165, 215, 265, 315
Chins - 1x23, 1x14, 1x9
Hammer DB Curls - 3x10x45

Good lifts today.... felt good to get those deadlifts back in. I'll be doing 10lb jumps on those for 3-4 weeks then probably slow down to 5lb jumps. Everything else went well.. We cut the pulldowns out to ease the volume amount and also because we added deads... Lookin' forward to Day 3.
 
Day 3 Week 4

Push Press - 5x5 - 95, 110, 135, 150, 170
Flats - 5x8 - 145, 170, 195, 220, 245*
Pushdowns - 3x10x180
CG Bench - 3x8x185
Decline bench situps - 3x15xBW
Wide grip hammer strength press - 3x8x180(weight only)

Felt great today. Had a lot of energy and fully focused. I missed my top set of flats as I got 7 reps. Will re-try next week. Still felt good tho and looking forward to tomorrows straight set of squats with 290 5x5!
 
hey, not bad, mang

good progress. Good luck on the 290 squats. I can smell 315 from here, bro . . .

congrats
 
majutsu said:
hey, not bad, mang

good progress. Good luck on the 290 squats. I can smell 315 from here, bro . . .

congrats
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Thanks man... I'll keep it pushing! if all else fails, I'll just use my Man-Pon!
 
ricanx99 said:
Thanks man... I'll keep it pushing! if all else fails, I'll just use my Man-Pon!
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Wing King! See you at 6pm tonight, I hope you took your Jackie Chan endorsed Green Tea extract today, youre gonna need it....
 
Day 4 Week 4

Squats 5x5 - 290
Jump Shrugs 5x5, 1x20 - 205, 235, 265, 295, 325..... 225x20
T-Bar Rows (weight only) 5x8 - 100, 120, 140, 160, 180
Curls 5x5, 1x10 - 70, 80, 90, 100, 110..... 70


Day 1 Week 5

Flats 3x5, 2x3 - 160, 190, 220.... 250, 280
DB Incline Press - 3x8x95
Dips - 3x15xBW
Cable Crossovers - 3x10x55
Various situps/Crunches/Leg raises


Hadn't posted in a few days so I just put my last two workouts here.... The 290 Squats were GREAT! Was happy to get those and am happy to know I am still able to progress there. Onto Day 2.... WING KING BABY!
 
Day 2 Week 5

Squats 3x5, 3x3 - 170, 200, 230..... 260, 290, 320
Deadlifts 4x5 - 205, 245, 285, 325
Wide-grip Pulldowns - 3x10x160
Hammer DB Curls - 1x8x50, 1x7x50, 1x8x50

Felt good this workout.... was draggin' ass all damn day but when it came time to lift.... I was FULLY focused and ready. Had some pent up frustration/anger and used that to direct my focus to weights. Owned every single lift... What's funny is that during my heavier deads, people were stopping to watch... f*ckin' newbs..... ZgZaz and Emoney know what I'm talkin' about. They see the same ones...
 
JohnRobHolmes said:
How much you weigh? Them numbers are pretty big for an average joe.
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I stand 5'5 and weigh between 177-180.... The numbers are not where I want them to be yet because they've been bigger in the past. My goal is to get passed 330x3 on squats and 365x5 on deads because that's where I last stalled at. I've been feeling good and am looking forward to these next 3-4 weeks because I should either reach or pass these numbers... Thanks for dropping in and the compliment!
 
Day 3 Week 5

Push Press 5x5 - 95, 115, 135, 155, 175*
Flats 5x8 - 145, 170, 195, 220, 245

Kind of hurried this workout.... had prior engagements and time wasn't on my side. Still felt good to get that 245x8 tho... pretty good for me. I only got 4 reps on my top set of Push Presses so I will re-attempt those next week.
 
Day 4 Week 5

Squats straight set - 5x5 - 295
Jump Shrugs 5x5, 1x20 - 195, 230, 265, 300, 335...... 235x20
T-Bar Rows (weight only) 5x8 - 110, 130, 150, 170, 190
Straight bar curls 5x5, 1x10 - 65, 75, 85, 95, 105x2.... 65x10
Decline bench sit ups - 4x15xBW
Hyper extensions - 3x15xBW

Felt good.... as Al420 mentioned before, the straight set of squats does make your mind wander during them... I wasn't focused at all but I still got em! Everything else was gravy... not worried about missing the top set of curls. Will try next week.... Good session!
 
i like your workout alot ive been looking for a good four day split. i think im gonna try it, i just have find a day to fit in hang/power cleans
 
swanky11 said:
i like your workout alot ive been looking for a good four day split. i think im gonna try it, i just have find a day to fit in hang/power cleans
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day 2...
 
swanky11 said:
i like your workout alot ive been looking for a good four day split. i think im gonna try it, i just have find a day to fit in hang/power cleans
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I concur with ZgZaz
 
swanky11 said:
alright thanks ill do them on day 2. and thanks for posting your workout it helped me.
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Glad it helped you! Good to hear.... but I'm just one of the guinea pigs here..... there were many others who helped devise this plan.. BiggT, CS, Sarge, ZgZaz, and Enigma..... thanks to them. Keep me posted on how it works for you swank! Good luck
 
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Day 1 Week 6

Flats - 165x5, 195x5, 225x5, 265x1, 285x1, 315(miss)
Incline DB - 1x9x95, 1x7x95, 1x8x95
Dips - 4x15xBW
Cable Crossovers - 2x10x80
Weighted sit up on Decline - 4x8 w/35lb plate

Will re-attempt 315.... pretty pissed.
 
just book marking ...good job so far I like what you are doing ...getting ready to go my self ....might give this a try
 
jafo said:
just book marking ...good job so far I like what you are doing ...getting ready to go my self ....might give this a try
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Thanks for droppin' in bro... Good luck on your lifts!
 
You'll get it man just POWER UP next time!!!!! I see your incline stalled a little bit as well but not as much as mine. But still good lifts BroHam.
 
Day 2 Week 6

Squats 3x5.... 3x3 - 165, 185, 225...... 265, 285, 325
Deads 4x5 - 185, 235, 285, 335
Chins - 3x15xBW
DB Hammer Curls - 3x8x55

Do..... work..... this one is for Al420. So we (zgzaz n emoney) were squatting and this guy doing calf raises, leg curls, and leg extensions asks us... "you guys actually enjoy squatting?" we all said YES at the same time.... what a fag...
 
Day 3 Week 6

Push Press 5x5 - 95, 115, 135, 155, 175
Flats 5x8 - 150, 175, 200, 225, 250*
CG bench press - 3x8x185
Cable Pushdowns - 3x10x150
Situps on Decline - 3x15xBW
Hanging Leg Raises - 3x8

Felt great this entire session. Not disappointed about missing my top set of flats because I got it for 7 reps so I'm pretty sure I'll get it next week for all 8 of em! I gotta stop going out so much too....
 
can i use the 5x5 excel calculations and rep scheme that it has for 9 weeks with this workout?
did week 1 with 5x5 reps and numbers from the excel spreadsheet, so far i like it.
 
swanky11 said:
can i use the 5x5 excel calculations and rep scheme that it has for 9 weeks with this workout?
did week 1 with 5x5 reps and numbers from the excel spreadsheet, so far i like it.
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I don't see why not.... make it happen
 
Day 4 Week 6

Squats - 4x8 - 175, 205, 235, 265
Jump Shrugs - 4x8, 1x20 - 225, 250, 275, 300.... 225x20
T-Bar Rows - 5x8 - 120, 140, 160, 180, 200
Olympic Bar curls - 4x8... 1x12 - 55, 65, 75, 85..... 55x12
20 min. cardio on elliptical

So... I feel like I'm getting to sloppy in the mid section and I have decided to speed up the workouts to keep up the heart rate. I'm gonna try to add up some cardio 3-4 times a week to burn off some chubs... I like my strength and where I'm at for mass... Just looking for that definition now. I still plan on lifting heavy as possible, i know i won't get stronger much but I wanna try to maintain where my strength is for the mean time. Any advice/criticism fellas? I already know about diet to drop the fat so I'm good there.. but any suggestions for lifts? thanks!
 
If you're gonna cut your cals, what I find most helpful is to cut out overall volume, glycogen depleting stuff like 5x5 straight sets, backoff sets of 8, and keep accessory exercises strictly to what you absolutely need to do to address any weaknesses.....and keep intensity high (intensity as in % of 1RM, not the ridiculous ''bodybuilding'' butchering of the word that means some kind of abstract/perceived effort)

I wouldn't speed the training up to the point where it limits load, thats never good to spare muscle.....most of it is gonna be cals in vs cals out as you said, but training, just drop volume and keep intensity high.
 
BiggT said:
If you're gonna cut your cals, what I find most helpful is to cut out overall volume, glycogen depleting stuff like 5x5 straight sets, backoff sets of 8, and keep accessory exercises strictly to what you absolutely need to do to address any weaknesses.....and keep intensity high (intensity as in % of 1RM, not the ridiculous ''bodybuilding'' butchering of the word that means some kind of abstract/perceived effort)

I wouldn't speed the training up to the point where it limits load, thats never good to spare muscle.....most of it is gonna be cals in vs cals out as you said, but training, just drop volume and keep intensity high.
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Thanks BiggT... I take everything you fellas tell me serious so your input is very appreciated. Another question that I have is what is your take on the cardio idea? You think on days off from training? ZgZaz mentioned that it might be too much on the CNS and I agree with him. So I was wondering what you guys would say to that? I don't wanna get super cut or way lean or anything like that... I just wanna get rid of some of the spare tire off.... Nothing too crazy
 
Look at cardio practically for what you'll be using it for. To drop weight, so look at the calorie-burning aspect. It's just another way to create a greater deficit. With a calorie-restricted diet you may not need it. If you do things like middle-distance runs and other long, fairly slow joint-pounding cardio, your lifts will go right down the shitter.

Sprints are popular these days, but personally I like them more to suit a functional athletic purpose more than for just ''cardio''....all out sprints tend to have the same effect on the body as a heavy lifting session and can be very anaerobic.....HIIT and interval work and sprints at maybe sub-75ish % can work......Incline Walking can work......Swimming never banged up anyone's joints.....An early morning session of LIGHT o-lift complexes is fine too.

For weight loss/extra cals burned, and not taking into account heart health or training endurance for performance, I honestly have to go against the grain and agree with ZgZaz and say cardio is not necessary and is largely a waste of recovery power, when you should be focusing on preserving strength and you can create enough of a caloric deficit through diet. Plus, I have a feeling you don't have much weight/fat to lose, I'll go out and assume you're talking about probably 10lbs or so tops. This won't be hard for you.
 
BiggT said:
Look at cardio practically for what you'll be using it for. To drop weight, so look at the calorie-burning aspect. It's just another way to create a greater deficit. With a calorie-restricted diet you may not need it. If you do things like middle-distance runs and other long, fairly slow joint-pounding cardio, your lifts will go right down the shitter.

Sprints are popular these days, but personally I like them more to suit a functional athletic purpose more than for just ''cardio''....all out sprints tend to have the same effect on the body as a heavy lifting session and can be very anaerobic.....HIIT and interval work and sprints at maybe sub-75ish % can work......Incline Walking can work......Swimming never banged up anyone's joints.....An early morning session of LIGHT o-lift complexes is fine too.

For weight loss/extra cals burned, and not taking into account heart health or training endurance for performance, I honestly have to go against the grain and agree with ZgZaz and say cardio is not necessary and is largely a waste of recovery power, when you should be focusing on preserving strength and you can create enough of a caloric deficit through diet. Plus, I have a feeling you don't have much weight/fat to lose, I'll go out and assume you're talking about probably 10lbs or so tops. This won't be hard for you.
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^^^ thanks man! Great input and very much appreciated... :rainbow:
 
Day 1 Week 7

Flats 5x5 - 175, 200, 225, 250, 275*
Incline Bench 3x8 - 165x8, 165x7, 155x8
Dips - 3x15xBW
Weighted sit ups on Decline - 3x10 w/35lb plate

Workout felt good. I missed the flats again by a half rep.... On week 4 I only got 3 reps at 275 and this time got it for 4 clean and ALMOST 5. I will stay here til I POWN it and then will go heavier. We subbed in Incline bench cuz some sissies were using the adjustable benches. We usually use the DB for inclines. Ah well....
 
Day 2 Week 7


Squats - 165x5, 205x5, 245x5, 285x5, 330x3
Deads - 160x5, 205x5, 240x5, 290x5, 345x5
Chins - 2x15xBW, 1x10xBW
Hammer Curls - 1x55x10, 1x55x8, 1x55x10

Good workout. Was very demanding and I'm feeling whooped. I'm stoked to still be adding 10lbs to the deads every week. Soon I'll be back to busting out a new PR.
 
Day 3 Week 7

Flats 4x8 - 175, 200, 225, 250*
Push Press 5x5 - 100, 120, 140, 160, 180*
Close Grip Bench 3x8 - 155, 175, 195
Ab work

Missed top set of flats again... and also push presses... hard to get top sets on these lifts on the same day. I'm gonna keep trying tho...
 
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