Friend got raped for child support, what can he do?

[Burning_Inside]

Friend went to a hearing today to straighten out some child support thing, and they told him he has to pay 145 bucks a week which is basically more than half his check. This is for one child. Makes absolutely no sense. Plus on top of that he has to pay for junk for when the kid comes to stay over on the weekends. Personally I think it's bullshit. I don't see how these fucking courts think youre supposed to live by paying bills and buying food and then also pay 60% of your check away.

Feed me some loopholes guys, what can this guy do?

 

[Burning_Inside]

he said all these papers he had to fill out about his income and expenses and whatnot meant seemingly nothing being they didint look at them. They just asked how much he made hourly, what she made , who pays for his insurance, etc, and punched the numbers in the pc and that was it. They don't care if people might have bills and need to live themselves or what?

 

[sconoscuito]

tell him to get a good lawyer

 

[chewyxrage]

the worst part is they can take it directly out of his paycheck

 

[ripper2]

what can this guy do?

what he can do is pay for his fucking kid. tell him to grow some balls and be a man... a 75cent rubber doesnt' sound like such a bad idea now does it? $145/wk isn't a whole lot. tell him to get a better job and he'll have more money for himself. him and the girl are the ones that fucked up. the kid had nothing to do with it and shouldn't be punished.

 

[Burning_Inside]

what he can do is pay for his fucking kid. tell him to grow some balls and be a man... a 75cent rubber doesnt' sound like such a bad idea now does it? $145/wk isn't a whole lot. tell him to get a better job and he'll have more money for himself. him and the girl are the ones that fucked up. the kid had nothing to do with it and shouldn't be punished.

Shut the fuck up you piece of shit. Ill come through this screen and beat your face into pudding.

You don't know shit about about anyone but what I tell you about them, so don't sit there and act like some holy know it all and make assumptons. He's been paying for his kid out of his own pocket since he was born you fuckwit. The mom who already makes 30 grand a year wants more money. This kid isn't "being punished" where do you come off with this horseshit? Congrats on making my shit list, you're about the only one who's been added on it in the past year. I hope you get hit with a constant flow of red karma to he point where the system just bans you for being a presumptuous, elitist piece of human waste

 

[HS Lifter]

what he can do is pay for his fucking kid. tell him to grow some balls and be a man... a 75cent rubber doesnt' sound like such a bad idea now does it? $145/wk isn't a whole lot. tell him to get a better job and he'll have more money for himself. him and the girl are the ones that fucked up. the kid had nothing to do with it and shouldn't be punished.

As BI pointed out, you are an asshole. You do not know the situation so don't act as though you do.

75 cent rubber? What if the condom broke?

If he got a better job, they would take even more money out, so it wouldnt make sense, the more you make=the more you take out.

Yet another reason to have anal sex only, fuck the incubator hole.

BI, as the other have said, tell your friend to get the best, most unethical lawyer he can find.

 

[jerseyart]

Burning man, I agree with tat guy. Just pay the money

How far do you think less than $600 per month is going to take the mother in raising a child. Hell, it wont even pay her daycare in most places just so she can go to work to support the child.

This sint a knock against your friend, but $600 is the easy part. It isn't even a fourth of what she will have to do

 

[Burning_Inside]

Burning man, I agree with tat guy. Just pay the money

How far do you think less than $600 per month is going to take the mother in raising a child. Hell, it wont even pay her daycare in most places just so she can go to work to support the child.

This sint a knock against your friend, but $600 is the easy part. It isn't even a fourth of what she will have to do

Dude she lives at home, pays no rent, makes 30 grand a year.

He lives at home but may as well be living on his own as he actually pays full rent to his mom, has to buy his own food and cant even afford a car. He's up to his ass in bills and debt that his brothers fucked him over with.

Also, she uses half of the double block she lives in that her parents own as her own address to make it seem like she has more expenses going out than she really does.

As of now, any hopes he had of moving out completely on his own are basically gone. The courts took him from borderline poverty for my area to poverty, while the kid who was living a fine life as it is just got an even better one. Make sense?

 

[rushx79]

build a time machine?

 

[Burning_Inside]

build a time machine?

noted

 

[ripper2]

Shut the fuck up you piece of shit. Ill come through this screen and beat your face into pudding.

you might come through the screen, but the only thing you'll be beating is my dick off in your mouth

He's been paying for his kid out of his own pocket since he was born you fuckwit.

and DAMN straight that he should be... he was the stupid fuck who didn't wear a rubber. he needs to support that kid and work longer hours so he can afford to send that kid to college instead of being another deadbeat dickhead dad like so many of the youth today have. tell him he needs to take responsibility and be a good example for the kid... too many kids these days dont' seem to take responsibility for anything. (see 1st post in thread)

Congrats on making my shit list, you're about the only one who's been added on it in the past year. I hope you get hit with a constant flow of red karma to he point where the system just bans you for being a presumptuous, elitist piece of human waste

lol, i couldn't give 2 shits about you or your "shit list". as far as im concerned you and your boy are both algae in the gene pool and need a good slap back to reality. i don't konw who did/didn't teach you about responsibility, but when you fuck up, you grow a sack and handle it like a man instead of whining on some interenet board about "my friend was fucking this girl and got her prego and now she wants money to help support the kid... what should he do??" don't they teach you little worthless fucks sex-ed in middleschool these days or where you two at the back of the class too busy laughing when they said "breasts" and trying to shoot off into your own mouths???

 

[ripper2]

As BI pointed out, you are an asshole. You do not know the situation so don't act as though you do.

tell me this: was this little prick wearing a rubber when he was gettin his rocks off? didnt' think so...

75 cent rubber? What if the condom broke?

i doubt a high schooler like BI, his boy, or yourself would be able to break a condom between the 3 of you.

If he got a better job, they would take even more money out, so it wouldnt make sense, the more you make=the more you take out.

yet just another response that shows your underdevloped intellectual skills... yes they will take more, but it will not be at a higher % rate, so in the end he'd have more money for himself

Yet another reason to have anal sex only, fuck the incubator hole.

you'd be lucky to hit either of them, lol

BI, as the other have said, tell your friend to get the best, most unethical lawyer he can find.

judging by the amount this kid rakes in each week selling newspapers i doubt he'll be able to find one that will give him the time of day. just pay the child support and quit being a fucktard

 

[HS Lifter]

Cool, we are playing the quoting game.

tell me this: was this little prick wearing a rubber when he was gettin his rocks off? didnt' think so...

I dont know, I wasnt there.

I doubt a high schooler like BI, his boy, or yourself would be able to break a condom between the 3 of you.

For the record, I have broken a condom.

yet just another response that shows your underdevloped intellectual skills... yes they will take more, but it will not be at a higher % rate, so in the end he'd have more money for himself.

Assuming you are more intelligent then another person, just screams IM AN IGNORANT MORON! It's good to be humble. Good job son.

you'd be lucky to hit either of them, lol.

LOL! Ive hit both.

judging by the amount this kid rakes in each week selling newspapers i doubt he'll be able to find one that will give him the time of day. just pay the child support and quit being a fucktard

Yet another assumption or in your case "judgement", your mom must be proud.

Carry on genius.

 

[Guvna]

Shut the fuck up you piece of shit. Ill come through this screen and beat your face into pudding.

You don't know shit about about anyone but what I tell you about them, so don't sit there and act like some holy know it all and make assumptons. He's been paying for his kid out of his own pocket since he was born you fuckwit. The mom who already makes 30 grand a year wants more money. This kid isn't "being punished" where do you come off with this horseshit? Congrats on making my shit list, you're about the only one who's been added on it in the past year. I hope you get hit with a constant flow of red karma to he point where the system just bans you for being a presumptuous, elitist piece of human waste

why dont you tell him how you really feel?







(sorry had to bring some humor into this)

 

[ripper2]

I dont know, I wasnt there..

then why are you jockin BI's nuts. he and i were discussing things mano-e-dipshit and you poked your pointy little head in. quite down when grown folks are talking

For the record, I have broken a condom..

im not talking about filling it up with water and throwing it on Halloween...

Assuming you are more intelligent then another person, just screams IM AN IGNORANT MORON! It's good to be humble. Good job son. .

I did not assume anything. I merely pointed out your lack of intelligence in basic economics/math.

LOL! Ive hit both. .

we're not talking about your mom nor are we talking about gym class, so just pipe down already.

Yet another assumption or in your case "judgement", your mom must be proud...Carry on genius.

my mom is quite proud that i've got my shit together, wasnt' some dipshit that got a girl prego in highschool, went to college and now have a job where i can make this kids entire weeks worth of salary in a few hours. yes, very proud indeed

 

[rushx79]

ooooohhhhh, an e-battle.

 

[HS Lifter]

then why are you jockin BI's nuts. he and i were discussing things mano-e-dipshit and you poked your pointy little head in. quite down when grown folks are talkingim not talking about filling it up with water and throwing it on Halloween... I did not assume anything. I merely pointed out your lack of intelligence in basic economics/math. we're not talking about your mom nor are we talking about gym class, so just pipe down already.
my mom is quite proud that i've got my shit together, wasnt' some dipshit that got a girl prego in highschool, went to college and now have a job where i can make this kids entire weeks worth of salary in a few hours. yes, very proud indeed

 

[ripper2]

ooooohhhhh, an e-battle.

lol "in this corner weighin in with a combined IQ of <100 BI and hi-schoolLifter and weighing in in the far corner, Ripper2 ready to crush these mental midgets"

"LETS GET READY TOOOOOOO RUMBLE"


any bets on how long this thread will last?

 

[ripper2]

nt

 

[HS Lifter]

n

There you go assuming again.

t

Wow, you really are ignorant.

 

[Razorguns]

this is how courts work:

1) women always gets the kid. even after slutting around, and spending all his money and doing nothing.

2) guy gets ass-raped on child support, so the woman can spend all the money on herself and her new bf and friends (how about making the woman account for that money every 3 months?)

3) if the guy is forbidden from seing the kid and complains to the cops. Big deal. Deal with it. Good luck getting "enforcement" to see the kid or any charges against the mom.

Shit like that really discourages me from having kids or getting married. I've seen more than enuff child custody battles from the sidelines. No wonder so many people are gay. So much less drama.

 

[gregory]

this is how courts work:

1) women always gets the kid. even after slutting around, and spending all his money and doing nothing.

2) guy gets ass-raped on child support, so the woman can spend all the money on herself and her new bf and friends (how about making the woman account for that money every 3 months?)

3) if the guy is forbidden from seing the kid and complains to the cops. Big deal. Deal with it. Good luck getting "enforcement" to see the kid or any charges against the mom.

Shit like that really discourages me from having kids or getting married. I've seen more than enuff child custody battles from the sidelines. No wonder so many people are gay. So much less drama.

Well, part of this reason is that the ladies go to court ready for battle. The guys just usually "show up" and hope for fairness. There are ways to do this and has been done in the past, plenty of single dad's out there. I didn't say it's easy, but certainly not impossible.

I know of guys who pay child support on the order of $800.00 every 2 weeks. They tell me, that their Ex lives with her NEW boyfriend (which is her perrogative) and he pays for rent and food, they both work and all the child support money goes for going out and parties and a better life style. Burns him up, but what are you going to do? If she sees him as not putting up, she'll easily use the kids against him and destroy any chance of fatherhood for him.

 

[Werd]

this is how courts work:

1) women always gets the kid. even after slutting around, and spending all his money and doing nothing.

2) guy gets ass-raped on child support, so the woman can spend all the money on herself and her new bf and friends (how about making the woman account for that money every 3 months?)

3) if the guy is forbidden from seing the kid and complains to the cops. Big deal. Deal with it. Good luck getting "enforcement" to see the kid or any charges against the mom.

Shit like that really discourages me from having kids or getting married. I've seen more than enuff child custody battles from the sidelines. No wonder so many people are gay. So much less drama.

WRONG

 

[gregory]

Actually real world experience will say he's 75% correct.

 

[Werd]

Actually real world experience will say he's 75% correct.

If anybody has real world experience it is ME....

I am not even going there about my opinion about BI's friend because my opinion is just that: an opinion. I am not about to engage in some flamefest about what I FEEL his friend should/should not do about his situation because in the end, his friend's situation will not be affected one iota and I have serious problems of my own. If anyone knows about getting fucked when it comes to divorce, childsupport and having your children illegally held from you:

IT IS ME.

I am only about the exchange of useful information. So far on this thread, I have seen none.

 

[NJRipped]

Fifty percent is way too high. Its usually about 20% of gross. If it's higher than 20% of his gross then tell him to get a lawyer. He will usually also have to pay out of pocket medical, dental, incidental above the $145 per month.

Friend went to a hearing today to straighten out some child support thing, and they told him he has to pay 145 bucks a week which is basically more than half his check. This is for one child. Makes absolutely no sense. Plus on top of that he has to pay for junk for when the kid comes to stay over on the weekends. Personally I think it's bullshit. I don't see how these fucking courts think youre supposed to live by paying bills and buying food and then also pay 60% of your check away.

Feed me some loopholes guys, what can this guy do?

 

[gregory]

If anybody has real world experience it is ME....

I am not even going there about my opinion about BI's friend because my opinion is just that: an opinion. I am not about to engage in some flamefest about what I FEEL his friend should/should not do about his situation because in the end, his friend's situation will not be affected one iota and I have serious problems of my own. If anyone knows about getting fucked when it comes to divorce, childsupport and having your children illegally held from you:

IT IS ME.

I am only about the exchange of useful information. So far on this thread, I have seen none.

I never had a flame war with you.

BTW: I said 75%, so you case might be different, but i did mention that some men can and do fight this system. But no matter who wins the kid looses, no longer will there be a balanced family for the child to grow up with. I wish more parents REALLY got to know each other down to their cores. Too many people get married not RELLY knowing the person, and later on lo and behold there are suprises and tension builds then the relationship fails. Why? Simple. The 2 people no longer like one another, one or both fronted. it's that simple, IMO.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

how much money the money makes is none of the fathers business. if anything, the more she makes, the happier he should be, since chances are his kid is getting a better looking after.

if the mother is in fact being legally fraudulent in her statement of expenses, then your friend should gather as much data as he is able, and get it brought before the courts with a decent lawyer. it may afect the payment he has to make.

overall, though, bottom line is that your friend makes a fairly poor living. given his circumstances, it would probably be better for him to figure out how to earn more money, rather than figure out how to deny a poor amount of money from his ex- regardless of whether he/she is in the right/wrong.

if he wants to stoop to the same level as his ex (as per overstatement of expenses) then getting a second job off the books would counter that rather effectively, though will mean he will break the law

cheers

 

[Werd]

I never had a flame war with you.

BTW: I said 75%, so you case might be different, but i did mention that some men can and do fight this system. But no matter who wins the kid looses, no longer will there be a balanced family for the child to grow up with. I wish more parents REALLY got to know each other down to their cores. Too many people get married not RELLY knowing the person, and later on lo and behold there are suprises and tension builds then the relationship fails. Why? Simple. The 2 people no longer like one another, one or both fronted. it's that simple, IMO.

Not saying a flame war with you personally, mon ami. Just w/anyone on the board in general.

As for your assessment of why relationships fail I must humbly disagree. I never fronted, nor did my ex. The problems arose when I no longer wanted to put up with abuse. He refused to recognize his shortcomings as I most certainly began to recognize mine. Believe it or not even after all that occured our marriage COULD have been saved, or at least we could have maintained a good relationship for the common good of our children. However, it will never be as my ex is so deeply mired in denial that the only hope my kids have for any sort of real father is my sister's husband and if I chose to remarry.

Two shrinks and my current man have been in awe when I had finally confided all the abuse that I had suffered as a child and young adult. The are amazed at how I am so "together" for someone who had suffered so many people fucking on her - key people that she should have been able to trust.

I never realized how abusive my ex was. That is the truth. When you are rasied with abuse it might take total devastation before you wake up and realize that something just isn't right and it takes a lot of hard work to try to mend that...

Everything began to turn around for me when I finally admitted to myself that I knowingly married and chose a MONSTER to father my only children.

I can't take back the past, but I certainly have the power to affect the future.

 

[Werd]

I can't take back the past, but I certainly have the power to affect the future.

The only WERDS of advice that I have for BI's friend. Perhaps rather than wasting his mental energies on trying to find ways to fuck on his baby's mother (not saying that it wouldn't be "justified" in some way perhaps) his should instead focus on improving his life so that he can be the best damned father to his child. Looking for ways to beat that child out of support just doesnt seem to be one of them.


again - just my .02

 

[from zero]

Werd vs. Everyone. Round 29,873.

Ding.

 

[gregory]

Not saying a flame war with you personally, mon ami. Just w/anyone on the board in general.

As for your assessment of why relationships fail I must humbly disagree. I never fronted, nor did my ex. The problems arose when I no longer wanted to put up with abuse. He refused to recognize his shortcomings as I most certainly began to recognize mine. Believe it or not even after all that occured our marriage COULD have been saved, or at least we could have maintained a good relationship for the common good of our children. However, it will never be as my ex is so deeply mired in denial that the only hope my kids have for any sort of real father is my sister's husband and if I chose to remarry.

Two shrinks and my current man have been in awe when I had finally confided all the abuse that I had suffered as a child and young adult. The are amazed at how I am so "together" for someone who had suffered so many people fucking on her - key people that she should have been able to trust.

I never realized how abusive my ex was. That is the truth. When you are rasied with abuse it might take total devastation before you wake up and realize that something just isn't right and it takes a lot of hard work to try to mend that...

Everything began to turn around for me when I finally admitted to myself that I knowingly married and chose a MONSTER to father my only children.

I can't take back the past, but I certainly have the power to affect the future.

Well, re-read what i posted. If you understand the depth of what i am saying about poeple REALLY knowing one another, this would include knowing one's self as well you will see how you fit perfectly in what i described, your ex as well.

 

[Werd]

Well, re-read what i posted. If you understand the depth of what i am saying about poeple REALLY knowing one another, this would include knowing one's self as well you will see how you fit perfectly in what i described, your ex as well.

Does anyone truly know one's self? Doesn't true enlightenment come through suffering? Our character is not define by our circumstances but rather by how WE CHOOSE to react.





Becoming a parent and allowing that child to "GROW YOU UP" is one of the most awesome blessings life has to offer IMHO.

 

[Werd]

Werd vs. Everyone. Round 29,873.

Ding.

LOL if you read the thread, you will see that there are MANY MEN that echo my Johny-come-lately response. And far more harshly at that.

 

[hooch]

I'm still waiting for BI's counterattack...

 

[Werd]

Honestly, I dont see how any of my comments could be construed as beligerent or an attack.

 

[gregory]

Does anyone truly know one's self? Doesn't true enlightenment come through suffering? Our character is not define by our circumstances but rather by how WE CHOOSE to react.

True and not true at the same time. Too much philosophy in there to dwell on this early in the morning thouh. The big question is what shapes what?

Becoming a parent and allowing that child to "GROW YOU UP" is one of the most awesome blessings life has to offer IMHO.

True.

 

[ripper2]

There you go assuming again.

Wow, you really are ignorant.

aren't you going to miss the bus?

 

[HG Pennypacker]

Most of you are making assumptions and have no idea what you're talking about. A lot of it depends on what state you're in. I'm in NY and I can tell you that the non-custodial parent has zero rights. There is no such thing as joint custody unless the custodial parent agrees to it, which most won't, since they then lose control.

With daycare, I pay over $2100 a month (which includes daycare) to my ex for my son. I make a good living. I'm not doing to dispute that. But my ex makes the same, if not more, than me. She's a director at a very large brokerage firm.

Here are my issues with the support system:

1) If i'm supporting my son, which I have been since the day his mother and I broke up, I should have rights in making decisions in his life.
2) The courts should consider the income level of the custodial parent. I have a wife and two other kids to support. My ex has none, plus she's remarried. I have no problem providing a more than comfortable lifestyle for my son, but I don't think my two daughters should have to suffer as a result.

My advice would be to tell him to pay the money and accept it. If he tries to go to court again, he could get stuck with a judge that makes him pay more. There are apprarently guidelines with this stuff, but many judges don't follow. I have a cousin who is a lawyer and went back to court to have his support reduced and got stuck with a female judge who increased his support by an additional 30%.

 

[manny78]

What can he do ? Put himself on welfare and make the bitch wait since these checks cannot be seized. I assume that after a while, she'll be the first one to knock at the judge's door and beg to reduce child support for him.

 

[curling]

All I have to say is I better start kissing my wife's but at least for 6 more years til my youngest hits 18.

I have a friend that pays is bitch ex wife $1200/mo and she uses it all on herself and she is real bitch when it comes to him seeing his girls. He takes them wakeboarding sends them to camp all on top of the $1200/mo. I pray that when they turn 12 they want to live with him and so that bitch that I hated ever since high school will have to pay him a monthly check. Man, I told him not to marry her why didn't he listen to me?

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

oooohh..a new Internet tough guy has arrived.

I think the answer is:

1. get a lawyer
2. kill the kid's mom

either of those have inherent risks.

 

[curling]

2. kill the kid's mom

either of those have inherent risks.

I wonder how often this has happened? I mean my friend would never do it but after her taking him back to court 5 times and screwing with his visitation rights he did just think about how nice it would be if she just wasn't here. But youngest is only 2 years away from 12 he might as well wait to see if he can get custody that would be the best payback. I get so sick of women always getting everything because they are a woman when the guy some instances is alot better father than the woman is a mother he just don't got titties as big as the womans.

 

[HG Pennypacker]

All I have to say is I better start kissing my wife's but at least for 6 more years til my youngest hits 18.

I have a friend that pays is bitch ex wife $1200/mo and she uses it all on herself and she is real bitch when it comes to him seeing his girls. He takes them wakeboarding sends them to camp all on top of the $1200/mo. I pray that when they turn 12 they want to live with him and so that bitch that I hated ever since high school will have to pay him a monthly check. Man, I told him not to marry her why didn't he listen to me?

$1200 a month for more than one child doesn't sound like an awful lot. I would end up paying close to $3000 a month for two kids.

 

[curling]

$1200 a month for more than one child doesn't sound like an awful lot. I would end up paying close to $3000 a month for two kids.

Sounds like you do a bit better than my friend does. Still though I bet your ex ain't evil like this chick. I mean I despised this chick even in high school. I don't know why friends don't take friends advice on chicks. I mean dudes should know by now that pussy makes you blind and stupid.

 

[Razorguns]

i'm all for child support.

but i'm not for wife support with a little bit spent on the child support.

 

[ripper2]

i'm all for child support.

but i'm not for wife support with a little bit spent on the child support.

well said

 

[Burning_Inside]

oooohh..a new Internet tough guy has arrived.

I think the answer is:

1. get a lawyer
2. kill the kid's mom

either of those have inherent risks.

haha o man, that's funny because I told him i would post about it on a messageboard and said that that was exactly what they would probably advise lol.

 

[Burning_Inside]

I'm still waiting for BI's counterattack...

There won't be one. I said my piece once, and if someone doesn't realize they are a waste because they are the typical "I'm the better than you internet tough guy who knows everything and have all the answers to everyone's life" after being told off the first time, and try and incite more shit with you, then the're obviously not intelligent enough to get it the second time around either. He definately deserves a prize for making me go off like that though, I think I may have done that one other time since I've been here.

 

[ripper2]

There won't be one.

theres not much you CAN say that your face won't get rubbed in... if not by me, then by someone else.

I said my piece once, and if someone doesn't realize they are a waste because they are the typical "I'm the better than you internet tough guy who knows everything and have all the answers to everyone's life" after being told off the first time

lol, the only one who got told off was your and hs_lifter. you two chumps are too easy...

He definately deserves a prize for making me go off like that though, I think I may have done that one other time since I've been here.

how about for my prize, you just tell your boy to grow a sack and pay for his kid like a real man... that would be prize enough and we'll let it go after that

 

[digger]

Okay, it's gone around the barn twice now. Let's move on.