first cycle

[jagerbombme]

hello all. i've been reading and reading and reading and reading for hours a day for over a month now.

i was considering as a first cycle doing a deca only. i have seen people say deca only first cycle kept under 400mg pw is good for a virgin.

others said i'll be impotent........ deca sounded so good for joints and such.

then some guy started giving me advice to run a cycle like this
Test Enanth 500mg/week 1-10
deca durabolin 500mg/week 1-10
nolvadex 20mg ed 1-10
chlomids for pct

this sounded high to me and i don't feel like having high bp and water retention. i am 29, 6'1" , lifted on and off last 15 years but steady last year and a half, weigh 240lbs, bp is pretty good around 120/70, cholesterol 150, eating very good past few months. dropped from 275 to 240. still eat carbs

mainly eat oatmeal, fruits, veggies, steaks chicken, tuna, green and white teas and lots of protein and water.

taking MBI nitric and Cee and MBI protein

started reading on all the steroids, (injectables) and had decided to try a cycle of Tren E and Primobolan

Tren E 200mg/week 1-8
Primobolan 100mg/week 1-8
protection?????

I just don't want any side effects, and the minimal possible toxicity. Does this sound like good first cycle? Should I do Tren alone? Stack Tren with Deca instead? Stack Primo with Deca or Winny and drop Tren because Tren is supposedly strong? I guess you need my goals in this too. My goals are to drop more fat and gain some mass. I am not cheap and it doesn't bother me to do this. I am not impatient either....to an extent. I know this will take me farther than possible doing natural. I just want to stretch the T-shirt sleeves a little. If I make good gains over 1 - 3 cycles, i'd be happy, so i don't want to rush and do toxic or bad side effects. what do you guys think is the cycle that suits my needs??????

the guy that advised the beginner test cycle above stated the tren and primo is good stuff and advised me to do this with the cycle, the tren cycle above is the one i was thinking, he advised this which again i think is too much

test e 500mg/week 1-10
tren e 400mg/week 1-10
primobolan 400mg/week 1-10
nolvadex 20mg ed week 1-10
chlomids pct


thanks for reading all of this if you got this far. tia for help

 

[ego boner]

tbol 1-4
test 1-10

 

[AhMadKooL]

test 500 mg/week should be adequate

 

[slat1]

Sounds like you want to be safe but you would also like to see some results.
If that is correct you sound a lot like me.
This is what I would do:

test ent 250mgs wk 1-10
HCG during
Clomid after

You will get results from that if you training and diet are spot on.
If you decided you want to use more next time go right ahead. I would rather use less and see how my body responds than use more and not need it.
BTW. I went from 200 to 220 on 250mgs of test ent for ten weeks. My only problem is that I knew nothing of HCG and Clomid at the time. I eventually dropped back down to 206.

 

[diesel24]

I am by no means an expert. I also started my first cycle yesterday. I have been back and forth also about what to do. I decided on a basic 400mg of Test E a week. Thats it. I was gonna do week 1-4 with d-bol but figured if by the end of 10 weeks im gonna be the same there is no reason to rush the results. Plus I wanna stay lean.I really think Roids are only 30% of your gains anyway. The key is diet,sleep and train hard as heck! Test only cycle is deffinetly the way to go for your first time. YOu can always experiment after that. Good luck

 

[drrman]

DO NOT run tren for your first cycle bro....and do NOT stack tren with deca....why not just run 500mg test/week for 10 weeks.....maybe throw in deca or equipoise, that will be plenty for a first cycle.

the 250mg test and 100mg primo per week is not enough do see much at all.....especially primo at 100mg/week, thats a waste of cash for sure

 

[ryan04]

DO NOT run tren for your first cycle bro....and do NOT stack tren with deca....why not just run 500mg test/week for 10 weeks.....maybe throw in deca or equipoise, that will be plenty for a first cycle.

the 250mg test and 100mg primo per week is not enough do see much at all.....especially primo at 100mg/week, thats a waste of cash for sure

I agree with all of this. Tren is not a good idea for a good cycle, it is some very harsh stuff and should only be run once you get a few cycles under your belt.

500 mgs of test a week for 10 or 12 weeks will be plenty....you will blow up like a balloon off of that. If you want to add on to this throw in some dbol and 20-30 mgs a day for the 1st 4-6 weeks for a jumpstart. You don't need to be running 1 gram a week cycles for a first run. Trust me bro, you will love this cycle. Start throwing in deca, eq and all that other good stuff your next cycle. Good luck bro.

 

[njmuscleguy]

test e is a great first-time cycle.... you should get some great gains from it... plus, it gives you a chance to see how your body reacts from just one substance....if you start off with 2 or 3, it's hard to pin-point which is working well for you or which is giving you problems.... then for a second you can throw in some deca.... deca + test is a great cycle IMO.... after that you can start experimenting.....

oh, make sure you run an anti-e with your test (AIFM or Aromasin or Arimidex)... it will keep the sides down (especially bloat and gyno)

 

[jagerbombme]

wow, thanks for the responses fellas.

i guess i will try the test enanth.

probably for me i will do 250mg/week 1-10
as far as anti side effects what do you guys recommend and how to dose it?
i could take nolvadex all the way through and then take a break and take chlomids

or do i want to do hcg and chlomids? what better to keep water off is my question? and also to keep gains i want to do it right and keep gains.


is it actually possible to not get side effects from it, do some people get the sides and some don't or is it just a fact that testosterone will make you bloated?

i want to minimize this at all costs. or not have it at all which is why i think ill go with 250 and use adequate protection to keep the gains i get and diet really hard to cut my fat. hopefully the test will help me cut fat.


i have to agree though, might as well just start with one substance? on that note what do you think about Equipoise for first cycle? less sides? less protection needed? some gains and more fat burning?

thanks for the help guys. i don't know how half the idiots i went to high school with who were roiding didn't kill themselves without the knowledge of all you experienced ones. these guys just bought pills or whatever and shot it without protections or any knowledge of what they were taking. unreal.

thanks, IBEW electrician here

 

[big r]

I would run a test only first cycle, in the 250mg to 400mg per week with proper PCT, Clomid, and HCG throughout. look at an 8 to 10 week cycle.