First Cycle, Test and age

[etw101]

Hey guys, I'm 18 years old and have been contemplating doing steroids for a while now. I've been doing research for about 3 months now and feel I have a pretty decent understanding about the subject. On all the forums pages I've looked at EVERYONE says to 1) wait till youre older and 2) wait till you reach your genetic potential. I have 2 friends who both did steroids before they were 20 and were twigs when they ran their first cycle. A year has passed since their first cycle and they say their side effects have been pretty minimal and controllable. I've been lifting for just over 1 year but I've been an athlete my whole life (baseball and football since I was 7) and I was wondering that since I have been a pretty healthy human being my whole life if I were to probably experience the same controllable side effects as them? I understand everyone is different but this is just hypothetical.

One of my friends wrote me this cycle

Weeks 1-12: Test C at 500mg a week
Weeks 1-4: dbol 30 mg a day
Weeks 14-18: PCT with nolvadex and Clomid

I would also be using n2guard throughout the whole cycle

Obviously I haven't started this cycle yet as I am still doing research. But my question is 1) how does that cycle sound, 2) I want to know why doing aas before 21 is so frowned upon and 3) why you should wait till you reach you're genetic potential. I've looked this up but everywhere I've looked once someone discloses they're under 21 they get shot down with comments like "you're too young" or "you need to wait you aren't ready for roids" without any real explanation behind it. My diet is pretty clean considering my busy schedule with school and I workout everyday except Sunday.

Stats are
5'8 18 years old
160 pounds 15% body fat

Bench is 155 6 times and squat is 225 8 times.

I would like actual answers and not just simple shit with no explanation what so ever

 

[Daniel256]

Your friends probably don't have side effects now, but time has been too short to tell as they could experience side effects in a few years time and will possibly require testosterone replacement sooner than they would have.

The reason you're not supposed to touch AAS until you're 24 is because you're still growing before 24. Messing around with your hormones at this age while your body is still growing for a bit of gains is seriously not worth it. A spike in testosterone could also cause your growth plates close, although not proven, it has been stated before.

I wouldn't cycle before 24 unless I knew I was going to be a professional bodybuilder, and even then I might wait until at least 21.

 

[bigorse]

you dont use aas young because your endocrine system insnt done developing and it is very easy to ruin it using exogenous hormones. secondly 1 year of lifing is fuck all whether you played sport your whole life of not, pay your dues naturally and then cycle. figure out how to actually train hard and diet consistently for a few years and then come back for cycle advice.

having said that you have a decent first cycle layed out but obviously wait another few years before doing it

 

[etw101]

Your friends probably don't have side effects now, but time has been too short to tell as they could experience side effects in a few years time and will possibly require testosterone replacement sooner than they would have.

The reason you're not supposed to touch AAS until you're 24 is because you're still growing before 24. Messing around with your hormones at this age while your body is still growing for a bit of gains is seriously not worth it. A spike in testosterone could also cause your growth plates close, although not proven, it has been stated before.

I wouldn't cycle before 24 unless I knew I was going to be a professional bodybuilder, and even then I might wait until at least 21.

Not worried about my growth plates because I went to the doctor and they said they were already closed and that I was done growing. But thanks for the advice, better than anything I've come across so far

 

[etw101]

you dont use aas young because your endocrine system insnt done developing and it is very easy to ruin it using exogenous hormones. secondly 1 year of lifing is fuck all whether you played sport your whole life of not, pay your dues naturally and then cycle. figure out how to actually train hard and diet consistently for a few years and then come back for cycle advice.

having said that you have a decent first cycle layed out but obviously wait another few years before doing it

Okay sorry if this sounds argumentative I don't mean for it to be, but why should you wait till your reach your genetic potential to do aas? Ever since I was a little kid I've always been under the impression that you use steroids to get big not to get bigger than what your body can handle. I understand there are kids and people out there who run 1 cycle and put on a good 20 lbs of muscle then they stop training and dieting and lose all their gains and disturbed their HPTA for nothing. But what if you weren't one of those people? I understand that it takes more than one year to fully understand training and dieting but I feel that in 1 year you could show the dedication it takes to gain muscle mass

 

[GenerationIron16]

Hey man, if you are 18 years old, you can use steroids but trust me, you must have some Arimidex, Nolva, Caber or Clomid on hand, just to go around those side effects as much as you can.
Thats a good first cycle, use Dbol for 4-6 Weeks 30mg ( Every day ) for a Kickstart and use Test e 500mg ( 250mg monday and 250mg on thursday ) for 12 Weeks.
You will gain muscle mass if you have a good diet, take some time and make a good diet and you also must train really hard at the gym. If you have more questions, ask me, i will tell everything how it is 100%, no shit. Be safe.

 

[etw101]

This is shit.
Lorenzo was 14-15 years old when he used steroids, he used tren, deca, dbol...Pretty much some of the strongest steroids out there, is Lorenzo normal now ? Yes, Really big, his mind is fucked up tho a little bit i think, Arnold allsow used steroids at 16, many many of those pro level bodybuilder used steroids at a young age, THEY ARE GIFTED BUT YOU DONT KNOW IF YOU ARE GIFTED TOO, so many people say "but they are gifted" shut up, you dont know if you are gifted to until you try it, Genetics are a big role in this sport, you can use every steroid there is and not get even a zit or you can use just test and get all those side effects. Right now, i am on deca 500mg, test e 500mg and dbol 30mg and the only thing i got is acne and its on even that bad, just take care of you acne, use some creams, wash your face regulary and thats it.
For my first cycle i used just dbol, A DBOL ONLY CYCLE, YES and i gained 12-13lbs in 4 weeks but that wasn't a good idea, it is a good steroid but dont used it alone, use test e, prop or cyponate with it, do test e for 12 weeks and kickstart it with dbol 30mg for 4-6 weeks.
Trust me, if you get some bad side effects just use you post cycle therapy and be done with it.
If you have money, always have arimidex, nolva, caber or clomid at hand, dont ask why, its just good to have it, its expensiv but like i said IF YOU HAVE MONEY, buy it.
Allsow for the sake of those freakin side effects, use nolva for gyno and some liver protection. Be safe.

How old were you when you ran your first cycle? Also do you believe in meeting your genetic potential before you start your first cycle?

 

[GenerationIron16]

I was 16 when i started using steroids, i am good, i feel strong and great.
If you can do that, do that and when you stop growing and when your muscles stop naturaly, then use steroids, but if you can't do it, use steroids.

 

[bigorse]

its not about reaching your genetic potential it is about learning how to diet abd train properly first and have some sort of base before starting.

and yes you can cycle at 18 but you risk fucking your hpta and being infertile and on trt for life. dont listen to the idiot above, if you cant afford to have arimidex, nolva, clomid, livee care and other basic health supplements you don't cycle period

 

[GenerationIron16]

its not about reaching your genetic potential it is about learning how to diet abd train properly first and have some sort of base before starting.

and yes you can cycle at 18 but you risk fucking your hpta and being infertile and on trt for life. dont listen to the idiot above, if you cant afford to have arimidex, nolva, clomid, livee care and other basic health supplements you don't cycle period

As we can se, this gentleman doesnt even lift so... You go with him

 

[bigorse]

yes please do you are talking to person with a fucked hpta and on trt at 16 (im 17 now) from pushing a natural comp prep too hard and you think it advisable to tell an 18 year old to use steroids? im 16 years old 190lbs at 5'8 in my profile pic before any kind of steroid use including hrt with test levels between 175-200 for the last 7-8 months. go look through some of my threads i got up to 230 and keps my abs before i broke my hand... i could also sqaut 530lbs for 8 (deep) easily and deadlift 530 for a single but clearly i dont fucking lift and have no idea what im talking about

 

[GenerationIron16]

yes please do you are talking to person with a fucked hpta and on trt at 16 (im 17 now) from pushing a natural comp prep too hard and you think it advisable to tell an 18 year old to use steroids? im 16 years old 190lbs at 5'8 in my profile pic before any kind of steroid use including hrt with test levels between 175-200 for the last 7-8 months. go look through some of my threads i got up to 230 and keps my abs before i broke my hand... i could also sqaut 530lbs for 8 (deep) easily and deadlift 530 for a single but clearly i dont fucking lift and have no idea what im talking about

Wow wow wow, we got a badass over here. Thats nice and all, but hey, you never used steroids, so do you know what happens to you or what can really happen ? No.
Man, you are not a professional at steroids if you didnt use them, and you dont know everything becouse you read everyday, try it and then talk shit.
I would trust more a guy who uses steroids and know what the fuck he is doing then someone who is a natural bodybuilder and didn't even saw what steroids look like. I talk about steroid knowlege, not about training and diet.

 

[bigorse]

Wow wow wow, we got a badass over here. Thats nice and all, but hey, you never used steroids, so do you know what happens to you or what can really happen ? No.
Man, you are not a professional at steroids if you didnt use them, and you dont know everything becouse you read everyday, try it and then talk shit.
I would trust more a guy who uses steroids and know what the fuck he is doing then someone who is a natural bodybuilder and didn't even saw what steroids look like. I talk about steroid knowlege, not about training and diet.

i am using steroids now and have been for a while now... but i wouldn't be if i wasnt already on hrt and still had the risk of fucking my endocrine system up. im not speaking from purely reading i have real world experience aswell as a well above average scientific knowledge of how these substances work.

 

[bigorse]

you think i was 230 at 5' 8 and 15% natural at 16 years old i know a thing or 2 about steroids buddy i also know about the side effects and consequenses more than most

 

[GenerationIron16]

you think i was 230 at 5' 8 and 15% natural at 16 years old i know a thing or 2 about steroids buddy i also know about the side effects and consequenses more than most

Okey man, why hate then ?
Let this kid use steroids if he wants, you are using them now, i am using them now, why not him then... Again, i think its good to have arimidex, nolva, clomid OR caber on hand, why ? I bought test e 250mg 50 amps and dbol 200tabs and i didnt know about those pct things, i didnt have money and i got gyno, then i did all the research of guys who used steroids, some of my good friends and at the last moment i used arimidex and got rid of gyno... You dont know what will happen to him, SO, man if he can buy some of these above, thats good.

 

[bigorse]

he needs atleast a pct on hand before starting esp. at his age and arimidex for on cycle estrogen control. i am against steroid use under 21-23 years ild because i personally have seen how easy it is to mess our HPTA up and the sides and long term consequences it can have. i am very scared i may not be able to have kids now, i will be injecting my self for the rest of my life and i have to worry about the hasle of needles and vials when i travel. it really isnt worth it unless you are going to be a pro whether that be bodybuilding or any other sport.

 

[bigorse]

how old are you anyway?

 

[GenerationIron16]

he needs atleast a pct on hand before starting esp. at his age and arimidex for on cycle estrogen control. i am against steroid use under 21-23 years ild because i personally have seen how easy it is to mess our HPTA up and the sides and long term consequences it can have. i am very scared i may not be able to have kids now, i will be injecting my self for the rest of my life and i have to worry about the hasle of needles and vials when i travel. it really isnt worth it unless you are going to be a pro whether that be bodybuilding or any other sport.

Yes, that is right for PCT and for this shit... Me too bro, for that traveling and shit, really fucked up..

 

[etw101]

he needs atleast a pct on hand before starting esp. at his age and arimidex for on cycle estrogen control. i am against steroid use under 21-23 years ild because i personally have seen how easy it is to mess our HPTA up and the sides and long term consequences it can have. i am very scared i may not be able to have kids now, i will be injecting my self for the rest of my life and i have to worry about the hasle of needles and vials when i travel. it really isnt worth it unless you are going to be a pro whether that be bodybuilding or any other sport.

Money isn't a problem for me. i can get any PCT but just always read you wouldn't need much for a basic test cycle

 

[etw101]

Hey man, if you are 18 years old, you can use steroids but trust me, you must have some Arimidex, Nolva, Caber or Clomid on hand, just to go around those side effects as much as you can.
Thats a good first cycle, use Dbol for 4-6 Weeks 30mg ( Every day ) for a Kickstart and use Test e 500mg ( 250mg monday and 250mg on thursday ) for 12 Weeks.
You will gain muscle mass if you have a good diet, take some time and make a good diet and you also must train really hard at the gym. If you have more questions, ask me, i will tell everything how it is 100%, no shit. Be safe.

think nolvadex and clomid would be good for pct and arimidex on cycle?

 

[GenerationIron16]

think nolvadex and clomid would be good for pct and arimidex on cycle?

For that cycle, you can use just nolva for gyno and clomid to bring your test levels again, and to keep as much muscle as possible... But, if you get Gyno, use arimidex asap.

 

[GenerationIron16]

For that cycle, you can use just nolva for gyno and clomid to bring your test levels again, and to keep as much muscle as possible... But, if you get Gyno, use arimidex asap.

For that cycle, you can use just nolva for gyno and clomid to bring your test levels again, and to keep as much muscle as possible... But, if you get Gyno, use arimidex asap.

Im talking about pct, but if you can buy arimidex, go for it on a cycle, yes it will make gains go a little bit slower but you will be 100% sure its not water weight and for gyno.

 

[etw101]

For that cycle, you can use just nolva for gyno and clomid to bring your test levels again, and to keep as much muscle as possible... But, if you get Gyno, use arimidex asap.

thank you. definitely will be doing more research before

 

[GenerationIron16]

thank you. definitely will be doing more research before

Do alot of research and then, sit in your room and then, think about it really, do you want all that in your life, and so on and so on... Be safe !

 

[etw101]

Do alot of research and then, sit in your room and then, think about it really, do you want all that in your life, and so on and so on... Be safe !

thanks for all advice man. best of luck to you

 

[bigorse]

think nolvadex and clomid would be good for pct and arimidex on cycle?

yes this is correct but i still do not advice use.

1-12 test e 500mg

pct starting 2 weeks after last pin
clomid 50 25 25 25
nolva 40 40 20 20 10

hcg last 20 days at 500iu eod (this is debatable but i have seen it work weel for freinds coming off after years on)
arimidex 0.25-0.5mg eod throughout.

this is a good first cycle if you arent going to take my advice of waiting

 

[etw101]

yes this is correct but i still do not advice use.

1-12 test e 500mg

pct starting 2 weeks after last pin
clomid 50 25 25 25
nolva 40 40 20 20 10

hcg last 20 days at 500iu eod (this is debatable but i have seen it work weel for freinds coming off after years on)
arimidex 0.25-0.5mg eod throughout.

this is a good first cycle if you arent going to take my advice of waiting

no im definitely going to wait just not sure if itll be another 3 years. the way i see it is, no matter how old you are steroids are not safe and they impose risks and side effects no matter your condition. is it more dangerous to do steroids while your body is still devloping? yes, but does that mean you are completely going fuck you and your hpta up? no. i mean whos to really say that an 18 year old will experience horrible side effects and a 25 year old wont? just like every parent has the possibility of having a down syndrome kid. that possibility does go up drastically when a women is over 40 but does that mean every women over 40 is going to have a down syndrome kid? no, just like it doesnt mean that every women under 40 is going to have a perfeclty normal kid. i believe the same applies to juice. i mean i know a kid who started taking pro horomones at 13. hes 22 now and is perfectly fine (i understand phs arents the same as juice but both can cause similar side effects). but then again there are guys who are 25 who are just completely messed up off 1 cycle

 

[polarbear1134]

How old were you when you ran your first cycle? Also do you believe in meeting your genetic potential before you start your first cycle?

If you meet your genetic potential there is no reason to ever run a cycle again unless you are going to stay on 24/7/365 as there is no pct ever invented that will allow you to keep gains that are beyond your genetic potential while off cycle. The only way to ever stay above your genetic potential is to either stay on always or stay on so close to always that the little you lose while off is less than you gain while on.

You can not keep anything beyond your genetic limit without continued use of steroids...period

 

[etw101]

If you meet your genetic potential there is no reason to ever run a cycle again unless you are going to stay on 24/7/365 as there is no pct ever invented that will allow you to keep gains that are beyond your genetic potential while off cycle. The only way to ever stay above your genetic potential is to either stay on always or stay on so close to always that the little you lose while off is less than you gain while on.

You can not keep anything beyond your genetic limit without continued use of steroids...period

I've thought that too but mostly everyone preaches otherwize

 

[bigorse]

no im definitely going to wait just not sure if itll be another 3 years. the way i see it is, no matter how old you are steroids are not safe and they impose risks and side effects no matter your condition. is it more dangerous to do steroids while your body is still devloping? yes, but does that mean you are completely going fuck you and your hpta up? no. i mean whos to really say that an 18 year old will experience horrible side effects and a 25 year old wont? just like every parent has the possibility of having a down syndrome kid. that possibility does go up drastically when a women is over 40 but does that mean every women over 40 is going to have a down syndrome kid? no, just like it doesnt mean that every women under 40 is going to have a perfeclty normal kid. i believe the same applies to juice. i mean i know a kid who started taking pro horomones at 13. hes 22 now and is perfectly fine (i understand phs arents the same as juice but both can cause similar side effects). but then again there are guys who are 25 who are just completely messed up off 1 cycle

at 18 your endocrine system is still developing at 25 it isnt. its not short term sides you have to worry about its the risks of being permanently shutdown and infertile that increases dramatically using before your endocrine system is done developing on top of all other health adverse health effects of steroids.

 

[charger69mx]

I need to chime in...
First off, please stop saying that someone does not have sides while using ( at whatever age). AAS ALWAYS has sides. Gyno is not the only side. It is internal that you cannot see. Take some bloodwork while cycling and then come and tell me that there are no sides.
I totally disagree with you cycling at your age. You can screw up your body the rest of your life. Your HPTA is still maturing and you are shutting it down. Proper diet and training will give you the results.
There is alot of misinformation in this thread.
First cycle should be test only (not recommending use at your age)
You should have an AI (.25 eod arimidex), and 250 iu 2x week hcg on cycle, all cycle. The reason for the on cycle hcg is tokeep the LH functioning. Post cycle use of hcg is counter productive. You want your body functions to return to normal , but the hcg will prevent this. Concentrations above the 500 per week will also increase your estrogen and can desensitize your LH.

With all of this being said, why do you want to cycle?just to get bigger?

 

[bigorse]

I need to chime in...
First off, please stop saying that someone does not have sides while using ( at whatever age). AAS ALWAYS has sides. Gyno is not the only side. It is internal that you cannot see. Take some bloodwork while cycling and then come and tell me that there are no sides.
I totally disagree with you cycling at your age. You can screw up your body the rest of your life. Your HPTA is still maturing and you are shutting it down. Proper diet and training will give you the results.
There is alot of misinformation in this thread.
First cycle should be test only (not recommending use at your age)
You should have an AI (.25 eod arimidex), and 250 iu 2x week hcg on cycle, all cycle. The reason for the on cycle hcg is tokeep the LH functioning. Post cycle use of hcg is counter productive. You want your body functions to return to normal , but the hcg will prevent this. Concentrations above the 500 per week will also increase your estrogen and can desensitize your LH.

With all of this being said, why do you want to cycle?just to get bigger?

agreed on the HPTA and side effefts. you will always get sides using aas but the chance of ruining your HPTA is far greater when your endocrine system is still maturing.