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First Cycle Help/Advice

bluehulk

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Hey guys, new to the forum here, but long time stalker...finally decided to make a post after educating myself over the months/years.

Stats: Age 31, 6'2, 205 lbs., roughly 12%-14% BF, lifting experience 9-10 years

Goals: lean muscle gains, stay over 200 lbs. while reducing BF to single digits.

I recently got my T checked and was at 368...shocker for me, wasn't expecting that! never would've thought I'd have those levels as I'm not showing any signs - other than lack of motivation for the past few months.

Other blood work came back fine, slightly high cholesterol, and BUN, nothing crazy, just started a new job a few months ago and diet was slightly off while adjusting to new schedule.

Other than that I am very disciplined. I'm a boxer as well, and my cardio is solid, but there's always room for improvement.

I have been back and forth on what my first cycle should be. I understand that no AAS is really going to take the extra fat I have off, and that will mostly come from diet, however, I have pretty shitty genetics for losing belly fat. The problem is, it's the last thing to go for me, so I end up losing TONS of muscle in the process.

For example, when I cut natty 2 years ago, I went from 210 to 165 to see my abs, ridiculous!

I'm in good shape right now, solid muscle with a slight layer of fat around my gut. My arms, chest, and back are pretty tight! back is even shredded I would say. The stomach really ruins the overall look of things though.

My goal is to put on some lean mass, while minimizing bloat, and trimming the excess fat around the belly-button area.

I have been entertaining the idea of tren + t, with tren being run slightly higher. I've read the countless posts about holding off on tren, but it seems to fit the bill very well here. I would be doing a very minimal dose, 37.5 ED, and T prop 28.5 ED for 8-10 weeks.

My main concern here is lack of pinning experience, and the tren cough + other potential sides have me worried, and I'm starting to understand why people recommend to wait.

Then I bounced around the idea of T + EQ, but I believe I wouldn't be running the EQ long enough for optimal results.

Which leaves me with T + Anavar. I think this may be best, but I'm here for some insight. What do you guys think? A maybe slightly higher than TRT dose of T400 (know I can get that) or T Prop, and about 60-75mg of var for 8 weeks.

I have HCGenerate, N2Guard, and Nolva on hand. HCG can be a possibility I think as well, but it makes me nervous due to lack of experience with it and would like to avoid it if possible.

In a nutshell, I am trying to run the LEAST amount of things possible, that includes for PCT as well. I'm sensitive to drugs, and using an AI on cycle, plus 2-3 different things after on my first go is just a lot to handle and I don't want to overly complicate things as I'm already very cautious and would like to eliminate everything that may not be necessary with a light first run such as this one. I understand that some may suggest just test, but I believe test + Anavar is more what I'm looking for in terms of results.

I have been feeling extremely sluggish lately, and that may be due to the low test...I used to tear up the gym natty, and since I hit 30, that intensity I use to have just isn't there. I'm looking for a real boost and to spend the holidays tighter and fuller than I've been in a long time.

Hopefully you guys can help me out and share your opinions.

If there's anything I left out that you need to know, please ask and I'll follow up.

Thanks to all,
BH
 
My preference would be test and anavar. Test P can be a bit tough for a 1st cycle due to the frequent pinning. I much prefer test e. Is smooth as hell..

350mg test e a week for 12weeks
And 70-100mg of var for the last 6weeks is how I would run it..

How would your PCT look

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Do some searches in the forums on 1st cycle Test E examples. IMO, the most you would want to add would be an oral kicker. And definitely no Tren. Do some research and post up a cycle for critique. You'll learn more that way than having a bro design one from scratch for you.
 
My preference would be test and anavar. Test P can be a bit tough for a 1st cycle due to the frequent pinning. I much prefer test e. Is smooth as hell..

350mg test e a week for 12weeks
And 70-100mg of var for the last 6weeks is how I would run it..

How would your PCT look

Sent from my GT-N7100 using EliteFitness

Would the test E cause noticeably more bloat? My diet will be extremely clean, I hear that has a lot to do with it as well. If you don't think the E will cause me to retain that much more water, then I'll look into it. T400 is also an option to me. Thanks again.
 
Do some searches in the forums on 1st cycle Test E examples. IMO, the most you would want to add would be an oral kicker. And definitely no Tren. Do some research and post up a cycle for critique. You'll learn more that way than having a bro design one from scratch for you.

Thanks, I will design one and post it up here as soon as possible.
 
cycle:
1-10: Test E @ 100mg EOD
1-10: Arimidex @ .25mg EOD
1-10 N2Guard 2 caps AM, 2 post workout, 3 PM

5-10: Var @ 75mg ED

7-10 HCGenerate

PCT:

13-15
Clomid 50\50\25\25
nolva 40\40\20\20
N2Guard 2 caps AM, 2 post workout, 3 PM


How does that look? Can I drop either Nolva or Clomid or should I run both, from what I've seen this may be overkill for a light cycle and because I am unsure how the sides from the Nolva or Clomid are going to affect me, slamming everything at once feels like a lot.

If my diet is in check, and at a deficit, can I expect little to no bloat? Really trying to up the cardio and keep the mass I have, which is my whole reason for going this route (and the low T levels of course). If I tried to shred down natty, I'd be 160 lbs and depressed like I was before. For some reason my body just strips everything it can before burning the fat around my waist.

How about the T400 as opposed to P or E? Might be easier for me to get a hold of that, also Nolva will be easier than Clomid as well but I can try.


Any additions, subtractions, or substitutions are greatly appreciated.

-BH
 
With an AI you shouldnt bloat.. T400 can have some wicked PIP thats the only reason I suggested test e.. I would rather aromasin than adex on cycle and in pct..

Pct I would do would be as follows

Hcgenerate
Unleashed
Clomid
Aromasin
DAA if you like. Its cheap so why not

Also if you do go for test e you only need it say monday and thurs. No need for eod pinning. Gets tiresome after a while

Sent from my GT-N7100 using EliteFitness
 
With an AI you shouldnt bloat.. T400 can have some wicked PIP thats the only reason I suggested test e.. I would rather aromasin than adex on cycle and in pct..

Pct I would do would be as follows

Hcgenerate
Unleashed
Clomid
Aromasin
DAA if you like. Its cheap so why not

Also if you do go for test e you only need it say monday and thurs. No need for eod pinning. Gets tiresome after a while

Sent from my GT-N7100 using EliteFitness

Thanks, yea, heard the same about the T400.

So you think I should drop the Nolva for PCT (but have on hand in case of Gyno)?

Unleashed is out of stock :(

OK, Monday and Thurs sounds good for pinning. 175mg on each of those days then 350mg/week

Sub the adex for aromasin? Sounds like aromasin is less harsh on the lipids, which sounds good to me.

I've also read that I may want to hold out on an AI with such a low dose of T, as in may hinder my gains if estrogen is too low.

Thanks again for the help!
 
I'm running anavar and test e right now. In week 8. 300 mg test e pw and 80 mg anavar. Started the anavar at week six. Taking .25 mg adex eod. No sides from anything except minor chest acne. It's my first cycle... All is going well so far. Nice strength gain and fat loss in calorie deficit and put on 7 or 8 pounds of muscle. It's an easy cycle. Your diet will be key
 
Hey guys, new to the forum here, but long time stalker...finally decided to make a post after educating myself over the months/years.

Stats: Age 31, 6'2, 205 lbs., roughly 12%-14% BF, lifting experience 9-10 years

Goals: lean muscle gains, stay over 200 lbs. while reducing BF to single digits.

I recently got my T checked and was at 368...shocker for me, wasn't expecting that! never would've thought I'd have those levels as I'm not showing any signs - other than lack of motivation for the past few months.

Other blood work came back fine, slightly high cholesterol, and BUN, nothing crazy, just started a new job a few months ago and diet was slightly off while adjusting to new schedule.

Other than that I am very disciplined. I'm a boxer as well, and my cardio is solid, but there's always room for improvement.

I have been back and forth on what my first cycle should be. I understand that no AAS is really going to take the extra fat I have off, and that will mostly come from diet, however, I have pretty shitty genetics for losing belly fat. The problem is, it's the last thing to go for me, so I end up losing TONS of muscle in the process.

For example, when I cut natty 2 years ago, I went from 210 to 165 to see my abs, ridiculous!

I'm in good shape right now, solid muscle with a slight layer of fat around my gut. My arms, chest, and back are pretty tight! back is even shredded I would say. The stomach really ruins the overall look of things though.

My goal is to put on some lean mass, while minimizing bloat, and trimming the excess fat around the belly-button area.

I have been entertaining the idea of tren + t, with tren being run slightly higher. I've read the countless posts about holding off on tren, but it seems to fit the bill very well here. I would be doing a very minimal dose, 37.5 ED, and T prop 28.5 ED for 8-10 weeks.

My main concern here is lack of pinning experience, and the tren cough + other potential sides have me worried, and I'm starting to understand why people recommend to wait.

Then I bounced around the idea of T + EQ, but I believe I wouldn't be running the EQ long enough for optimal results.

Which leaves me with T + Anavar. I think this may be best, but I'm here for some insight. What do you guys think? A maybe slightly higher than TRT dose of T400 (know I can get that) or T Prop, and about 60-75mg of var for 8 weeks.

I have HCGenerate, N2Guard, and Nolva on hand. HCG can be a possibility I think as well, but it makes me nervous due to lack of experience with it and would like to avoid it if possible.

In a nutshell, I am trying to run the LEAST amount of things possible, that includes for PCT as well. I'm sensitive to drugs, and using an AI on cycle, plus 2-3 different things after on my first go is just a lot to handle and I don't want to overly complicate things as I'm already very cautious and would like to eliminate everything that may not be necessary with a light first run such as this one. I understand that some may suggest just test, but I believe test + Anavar is more what I'm looking for in terms of results.

I have been feeling extremely sluggish lately, and that may be due to the low test...I used to tear up the gym natty, and since I hit 30, that intensity I use to have just isn't there. I'm looking for a real boost and to spend the holidays tighter and fuller than I've been in a long time.

Hopefully you guys can help me out and share your opinions.

If there's anything I left out that you need to know, please ask and I'll follow up.

Thanks to all,
BH

I would probably just run some Test E standalone, or potentially with a 4-6 week Winstrol or Anavar kickstart. That will take care of your problem with drug sensitivity and cover all of your bases for what you're trying to do. Other options to look at would be Test Prop or Proviron I would think. Anyway there are plenty of good threads on Test based first cycles out there that you can look up.

Definitely steer clear of Tren for a first cycle - it can be pretty nasty for newer users.

For PCT you'll need a full one - you'll want to use Clomid and Arimidex for sure alongside a natty test booster like Unleashed or HCGenerate. I always use OSTA as a PCT staple because its a miracle worker - you can find it here www.sarms1.com . Other than that look into some other good PCT supplement and just remember that PCT is the most important part of a cycle.

Good luck!
 
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