Few questions prior to first cycle. Bulk!

[shyguy87]

Long wall of text incoming, sorry.

Hello all, I'm new here so I'll start with a swift introduction:
24 years old, 90kg (104 at most, bulk gone bad) 184cm tall, 12%ish BF. 5 Years ago i was 50kg, so it's safe to say that I've gained a lot natural and I've decided to turn to AAS. I have friends who have used it, but they weren't ready and also very undereducated on the matter (didn't even know what PCT was, enjoy gyno bros). I thought I was ready to start around this time last year, but decided to wait another year and push my natural potential a bit further. I've trained naturally with good and high concistency for 5-6 years, allthough the first years with SHITTY knowledge of dieting and supplementation.

I've cut pretty drasticly the past months, dropping from about 104-105 to 87kg by doing intermittent fasting on about 1500 cals a day for 3 months (nothing major, I know - but i'm satisfied), now back at 90 and ready to bulk for the winter. I've bulked befoer over the 4k kcal mark and gained quite some chub, which I don't really mind as I can easily lose it again but I'm thinking more around 3800 this time around, adjusting as I go. I plan on taking creatine monohydrate too as it has a great effect on me (easily 15% increase in strength) and i've been "off" for over 2 months now.

Training wise atm I'm doing a 5-split but I am considering going back to a 2split twice a week as that's worked great for me in the past when bulking.

Here's what I'm looking at for the cycle
Wk 1-10 - Test prop - 150mg EOD
Wk 1-4 T-bol - 30mg EOD

I know the pinning EOD is going to be harsh in the beginning but I am mentally set on doing it and I'm certain it'll be fine

Now where I need assistance is is the choice of on cycle AI, and a few questions regarding dosage of said AI and PCT.

The deal is, in my area, Aromasin is SO hard to get and expensive, which is what I was planning to run in the first place. I can get it, but it'd cost me so much to deck out the entire cycle AND pct, so I am thinking Adex instead.

What dosage am I looking at, and should I start it the same day I do my first pin? Or is it safe to wait and see how I actually react to the two compounds? I was thinking 0,5mg EOD - or maybe 0,25mg EOD will be enough if I do start AI from day 1?

For PCT I was first looking at only nolva, but the cash I would save in choosing adex over aromasin makes it easy for me to afford clomid too. I was looking at Clomid 50/50/50/50, Nolva 20/20/10/10.

Is the clomid needed for this dose and duration? Should I look into HCG for my first cycle, even though it'll only be 10 weeks?

Would love some comments and answers to some of the questions. I know there's no 100% correct answers to any of this, but you guys surely might have some experience to go on which might help me out here. Appreciate it

 

[oxymoron]

With a pretty cut and dry cycle like that I would just run forma stanozolol. Amazing stuff and can be bought here www.mrsupps.com



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[Goldenrod12]

I would do hcg with it if I were you and keep some letro handy incase gyno starts the letro is really the only thing that can reverse it nolva aint worth a damn and neither is forma stanz from mr supplements didn't do jack for me

 

[oxymoron]

forma stanz from mr supplements didn't do jack for me

What didn't forma do?

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[MattJS]

Any particular reason for running prop? You could use test enanthate instead, you'd only be pinning twice a week to get a 500mg dose and extend it to twelve weeks... I'd prefer Dbol over Tbol but mostly because its cheaper and gives a good result.... As for PCT Nolva is unnecessary Clomid can be run 25/25/25/25 and you'll want some natural test boosters in there.... You may also want to look into running HCG on cycle for an easier landing...

 

[dylangemelli]

I think you are going to be quite surprised at the PIP from test prop my friend... i think you are making a mistake in thinking that you will be just fine... you have never injected before and it would be such a waste if you were unable to complete the cycle because of the pain... that's your call but i would not run prop more than 8 weeks... you can run arimidex at .5 mg eod... your tbol dose is way too low... your pct is a fucking mess... nolva is fucking shit and will not do anything for you... here is the way you should run it...

1-8 test prop 150 mg eod
1-8 arimidex .5 mg eod
1-4 tbol 60 mg day
1-4 n2guard
3-8 hcgenerate

pct
9-12 clomid 25/25/25/25
9-12 unleashed/post cycle
9-12 forma stanzol
9-12 daa powerchews or powder

 

[RickRock13]

For your first cycle, I would go with Test E instead of Test prop. Less pinning and less pain. Just use an oral to kickstart the cycle and run the test 10-12 weeks at 500mg (250 twice per week)

For PCT I would go with what Dylan said above me ^

 

[stevesmi]

good for you for gaining so much naturally first and building a base.

really no one on here is gonna pick a first cycle for you, that is gonna be up to you. I would keep things simple though and 12 weeks or less

 

[shyguy87]

Thanks for the quick replies and comments guys.

I am leaning more towards Test E myself, but my source who help me set this up firstly suggested prop - so I started asking around and I heard from several people that the prop EOD pin being horrible was blown way out of proportion etc. And the reason he suggested it to me in the first place was that prop has more percentage of testosterone than the other esters. Also being able to begin PCT faster, and getting the actual effects faster than the slower acting esters. But I appreciate the concern and I will look more into maybe choosing test e over prop.

Now I am not denying your tips, please don't look at me as a smartass for trying to answer your questions ^^

As for PCT, reason for involving Nolva is because in the first place I was planning to only run nolva (This was before i educated myself a little more) - I decided to add clomid just to be safe, allthough I still believe nolva is stronger. Nothing is set in stone, hence me coming here to get help from you.

Also, I see a lot of talk about this unleashed+post cycle, and HCGenerate on this site - something I haven't seen a lot of elsewhere. Is this because you're promoting it here for some reason? What is it really, natural alternatives to the "old" PCT-s? I'm a non-us member, are these even available in Europe?

As for adding HCG, i am in the process of talking to my source and getting some assistance there. What dosages am I looking at? 500iu/wk?
Really appreciate the comments and help guys, ty