I am 1 week into a pro-hormone cycle consisting of trenedione (estra-4,9,11-triene-3,17 Dione) by xcel sports nutrition. I've stacked it with epistane by xcel sports as well.... I'm taking 60 mg of the triene-Dione a day and epistane at 45 mg a day. I have prior pro hormone use and have been lifting for about 4 or 5 years. Was wondering why people say not to use nolvadex with triene-Dione(trenavar) or tren in general? I've done some research but I guess reading multiple things only confused me more... Have a pretty solid pct set up but would like to see what others recommend! Any input would be greatly appreciated!!!