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I find this interesting...


Enforcing Sharia at UC-Irvine

In "UC Irvine Still Enforcing Sharia Law" by Jonathan Constantine Movroydis and Reut Cohen at Pajamas Media, May 22, we see how dhimmi university administrators allow Muslim students to enforce Sharia provisions (no filming of the "sisters") on the campus of a public university:

...The featured speaker last Thursday, May 15, was Amir Abdel Malik-Ali, a radical imam from Oakland who is all too familiar to UCI students. Malik-Ali frequently engages in anti-Western rhetoric and is a vocal supporter of terrorist groups. Not only has he praised Hamas, Hezbollah, and the mujahadeen in Afghanistan as “Islamic resistance” movements struggling against Western “oppressors,” he has called any scrutiny of these terror groups mere “propaganda.” Following Ali’s speeches to UCI’s MSU, the audiences of keffiyah-wearing Muslim students always repetitively recite the battle cry “Takbir! Allahu Akbar!” This year’s audience was no different.

While his rhetoric is lurid and apocalyptic, Malik-Ali’s speech is protected under the First Amendment. What’s alarming is the administration’s willingness to enforce the MSU’s prerogatives on other students who attend their events — hence the application of Sharia law where the Bill of Rights is applicable. For example, while videotaping Malik-Ali’s speech, we were confronted by a school administrator. Dean of Student Services Sally Peterson told us that, on behalf of the male students, we would have to stop filming the female activists, or as she called them “the sisters.” Aware of our rights, we refused her orders and continued covering the event.

As we continued our coverage of the festivities, members of the MSU ultimately decided to enforce what appears to be their own principle of just retribution. After Thursday’s event, the MSU walked up and down the main campus road chanting anti-Israel slogans and blocking off the entire walkway for several minutes while police and administrators stood by idly.

A male individual, who was filming the hateful procession, had at least three Muslim males charge at him for daring to film as the females from the group walked past. One of the males, a student named Yasser Ahmed who purportedly threw a cinderblock at an FBI vehicle last year, said to the cameraman: “You wanna get jacked! We can go get jacked right now! C’mon Emanuel, we’ve learned a lot about you let’s go! Lets go get jacked, Lets go get jacked!”

The UCI police department treated this incident unprofessionally and took no action. The student journalist gave his statement to a UCI police officer and explained how he was assaulted. The officer then went to take statements from the males MSU members. The police would not, however, take statements from those who witnessed the assault against the student journalist. After the police officer took statements, he told the student journalist that one of the males who charged at him had apologized and that nothing more could be done.

A Christian preacher on campus, Michael Venyah, also had his rights violated last Thursday. This preacher, who believes that all people must accept Jesus in order to get into heaven, began preaching about the prophet Mohammad and his crimes. Evidently, MSU members didn’t like hearing what he had to say and opted for charging and running into him. This was clearly an incident of assault. The cops present did nothing, and Dean of Judicial Affairs Edgar Dormitorio suggested that Mr. Venyah should leave.

Another case of MSU’s vigilantism occurred when a young Jewish female was followed back to her car and surrounded by six members of the MSU. A community member who witnessed the harassment also had her civil rights violated when the Muslim students noticed her. As UC Irvine police offers stood idly by, the Muslim students proceeded to situate themselves on the hood of her car in order to photograph her face, her vehicle identification number, and her license plate. When she later called the police department for answers, they justified the criminal behavior as the culmination of a tit for tat ethnic squabble. Put simply, they justified the need for Muslim students to “vent,” as they were just getting back at the Jews.

One group at UC Irvine has monopolized freedom of speech and expression. MSU organizers have taken it upon themselves to restrict the freedoms of others on the university campus and have managed to avoid significant criticism from the administration. Conversely, those who voice concern over MSU’s actions are depicted as stirring up trouble....
 
javaguru said:
alcatraz in 3...2...

Any speaker who support Hizbollah's judgement and views is mine enemy.

Go ahead MM, bash the shit outta him...
 
Do they cut off the hands of thieves and kill promiscuous girls?
 
mountain muscle said:
What is most disturbing to me is the inaction of the police and school.

+1

wtf is wrong with them?? Are they really so scared of a minority group of kids??
 
mountain muscle said:
Clearly he is an idiot, as are his student followers.

What is most disturbing to me is the inaction of the police and school.
And people ask me why I continuously say that political correctness has already started the downfall of this nation.
 
Did you hear Harvard closed a gym on campus down to cater to muslim women who were not allowed to be seen in front of other males in gym clothes?

I have a serious problem with them catering to those sort of beliefs.
 
Now let's not got carried away bitchesz...just cause i agree with some of your assessments, don't mean I agree with bashing muslims.
 
What would be cool is to send the kkk over and watch those idiots kill each other and then there would be 2 less radical groups. Sounds like a plan to me.
 
mountain muscle said:
Did you hear Harvard closed a gym on campus down to cater to muslim women who were not allowed to be seen in front of other males in gym clothes?

I have a serious problem with them catering to those sort of beliefs.
what a crock of shit
 
and I have a serious problem if they let these little assholes harass a woman like that cause she was jewish. Look, if some christian puke starts talking about the main prophet of another religion derogatively, he get's the lil ass whoopin that he got........c'mon, consequences are consequences. Otherwise, I guess y'all won't mind while I take this american flag, wipe my fresh from deuce steaming ass with it...........and then light it on fire. Mountain, you would take aim at me with your AR if I did that infront of your house.

But there still ought to be lines they let NO ONE cross.
 
redsamurai said:
and I have a serious problem if they let these little assholes harass a woman like that cause she was jewish. Look, if some christian puke starts talking about the main prophet of another religion derogatively, he get's the lil ass whoopin that he got........c'mon, consequences are consequences. Otherwise, I guess y'all won't mind while I take this american flag, wipe my fresh from deuce steaming ass with it...........and then light it on fire. Mountain, you would take aim at me with your AR if I did that infront of your house.

But there still ought to be lines they let NO ONE cross.

Agreed. Respect is respect.
 
redsamurai said:
and I have a serious problem if they let these little assholes harass a woman like that cause she was jewish. Look, if some christian puke starts talking about the main prophet of another religion derogatively, he get's the lil ass whoopin that he got........c'mon, consequences are consequences. Otherwise, I guess y'all won't mind while I take this american flag, wipe my fresh from deuce steaming ass with it...........and then light it on fire. Mountain, you would take aim at me with your AR if I did that infront of your house.

But there still ought to be lines they let NO ONE cross.


You're right I would.
 
MightyMouse69 said:
I have it on the bumper of my car


that's kind of sad bro........seriously. I got no issues with people who don't like him.........but this irrational fear that he's some muslim that's going to put us under sharia law is just oustandingly churlish. I honestly thought only redkneck goat fuckers from the hills without even rudimentary 1st grade education fell for that kind of hyperbole. I'm quite confused as to how a seemingly intelligent person such as yourself harbors this kind of irrational paranoia????
 
the_alcatraz said:
Agreed. Respect is respect.


Is it?

Iranian police arrest members of 3 families of converts from Islam to Christianity

No compulsion in religion: Just arrests and possible execution for leaving Islam. "Iran: Police arrest 12 Christian converts," from Compass Direct News, May 21:

ISTANBUL, May 21 (Compass Direct News) – Police in the southern Iran city of Shiraz this month cracked down against known Muslim converts to Christianity, arresting members of three Christian families and confiscating their books and computers.

The arrests began at 5 a.m. on May 11, when two couples were taken into custody before boarding their flights at the Shiraz International Airport and sent directly to jail. All four were subjected to hours of interrogation, questioning them solely “just about their faith and house church activities,” an Iranian source told Compass.

The detained Christians were identified as Homayon Shokohie Gholamzadeh, 48, and his wife Fariba Nazemiyan Pur, 40; and Amir Hussein Bab Anari, 25, and his wife Fatemeh Shenasa, 25.

Although the two wives were released the same day of their arrest, Anari was detained until May 14, and Gholamzadeh remains jailed.

Two hours after the early morning arrests of May 11, police authorities invaded the home of Hamid Allaedin Hussein, 58, arresting him and his three adult children, Fatemah, 28, Muhammed Ali, 27, and Mojtaba, 21.

All the family’s books, CDs, computers and printers were hauled off as well.

Hussein, his daughter and one son were released later the same day, but son Mojtaba remains in prison.

Two days later, local police picked up two more former Muslims involved in a separate house church in Shiraz as the Christian converts were talking together in a city park. Both men, Mahmood Matin and a second man identified only as Arash, are still jailed.

Still another arrest incident was reported last month in the northern city of Amol, in Mazandaran province near the Caspian Sea. Two of the arrested converts to Christianity, one a pregnant woman, are still imprisoned, with no news of their whereabouts.

Mushrooming House Churches

Over the past two years, Iran’s harsh Shiite Muslim regime has continued to arrest, harass and intimidate dozens of citizens involved in the nation’s mushrooming house church movements.

One such movement confirmed last month that its indigenous groups of Iranian converts to Christianity are doubling in size every six months.

Converts from Islam are routinely subjected to both physical and psychological mistreatment while being held for days or weeks, usually in solitary confinement. Huge bail amounts are demanded for their release, under the threat of further detention or formal criminal prosecution if caught worshipping or spreading their faith. [...]

In January of this year, the Iranian parliament drafted a proposed criminal code that would make the death penalty mandatory for “apostates” who leave Islam for another religion.
 
mountain muscle said:
You're right I would.


Oh for you big boy........I"d spread em nice and wide so that you got the hole shot as the flag was getting dipped in. And I'm no dummy, my running shoes would be on cause I know the hit squad would come bounding out of that front door at any moment with your ass and a shot gun in hand not far behind. :lmao:
 
redsamurai said:
and I have a serious problem if they let these little assholes harass a woman like that cause she was jewish. Look, if some christian puke starts talking about the main prophet of another religion derogatively, he get's the lil ass whoopin that he got........c'mon, consequences are consequences. Otherwise, I guess y'all won't mind while I take this american flag, wipe my fresh from deuce steaming ass with it...........and then light it on fire. Mountain, you would take aim at me with your AR if I did that infront of your house.

But there still ought to be lines they let NO ONE cross.

son, the problem this article seems to focus on is the singular direction of these consequences, and the system that is making it possible. the radical imam spewing his nonsense wasn't bum rushed, merely videotaped. and even if he had been assaulted, that's still no good. perhaps both religious monkeys could be allowed to shit out of their mouths without physical violence resulting?

nah, that would be too reasonable. the fact that men like them exist, and have followers...it evidences how unreasonable our world is. blame biology.
 
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so we should arrest christian to muslim converts?? How about atheists/agnostics........let's lock them up cause apparently what camel riding goat herders do in a backwater asscrack part of the world should somehow matter to us.



mountain muscle said:
Is it?

Iranian police arrest members of 3 families of converts from Islam to Christianity

No compulsion in religion: Just arrests and possible execution for leaving Islam. "Iran: Police arrest 12 Christian converts," from Compass Direct News, May 21:

ISTANBUL, May 21 (Compass Direct News) – Police in the southern Iran city of Shiraz this month cracked down against known Muslim converts to Christianity, arresting members of three Christian families and confiscating their books and computers.

The arrests began at 5 a.m. on May 11, when two couples were taken into custody before boarding their flights at the Shiraz International Airport and sent directly to jail. All four were subjected to hours of interrogation, questioning them solely “just about their faith and house church activities,” an Iranian source told Compass.

The detained Christians were identified as Homayon Shokohie Gholamzadeh, 48, and his wife Fariba Nazemiyan Pur, 40; and Amir Hussein Bab Anari, 25, and his wife Fatemeh Shenasa, 25.

Although the two wives were released the same day of their arrest, Anari was detained until May 14, and Gholamzadeh remains jailed.

Two hours after the early morning arrests of May 11, police authorities invaded the home of Hamid Allaedin Hussein, 58, arresting him and his three adult children, Fatemah, 28, Muhammed Ali, 27, and Mojtaba, 21.

All the family’s books, CDs, computers and printers were hauled off as well.

Hussein, his daughter and one son were released later the same day, but son Mojtaba remains in prison.

Two days later, local police picked up two more former Muslims involved in a separate house church in Shiraz as the Christian converts were talking together in a city park. Both men, Mahmood Matin and a second man identified only as Arash, are still jailed.

Still another arrest incident was reported last month in the northern city of Amol, in Mazandaran province near the Caspian Sea. Two of the arrested converts to Christianity, one a pregnant woman, are still imprisoned, with no news of their whereabouts.

Mushrooming House Churches

Over the past two years, Iran’s harsh Shiite Muslim regime has continued to arrest, harass and intimidate dozens of citizens involved in the nation’s mushrooming house church movements.

One such movement confirmed last month that its indigenous groups of Iranian converts to Christianity are doubling in size every six months.

Converts from Islam are routinely subjected to both physical and psychological mistreatment while being held for days or weeks, usually in solitary confinement. Huge bail amounts are demanded for their release, under the threat of further detention or formal criminal prosecution if caught worshipping or spreading their faith. [...]

In January of this year, the Iranian parliament drafted a proposed criminal code that would make the death penalty mandatory for “apostates” who leave Islam for another religion.
 
jackangel said:
son, the problem this article seems to focus on is the singular direction of these consequences, and the system that is making it possible. the radical imam spewing his nonsense wasn't bum rushed, merely videotaped. and even if he had been assaulted, that's still no good. perhaps both religious monkeys could be allowed to shit out of their mouths without physical violence resulting?

nah, that would be too reasonable. the fact that men like them exist, and have followers...it evidences how unreasonable our world is. blame biology.

That's pretty much it, huh? :D
 
redsamurai said:
Oh for you big boy........I"d spread em nice and wide so that you got the hole shot as the flag was getting dipped in. And I'm no dummy, my running shoes would be on cause I know the hit squad would come bounding out of that front door at any moment with your ass and a shot gun in hand not far behind. :lmao:


Lol. I'd just shoot you with peanut butter and let the dogs chase you down.


As far as respect, I find it troublesome that the same people who find it acceptable to burn an American flag are the same ones who want the soldier who shot the koran strung up.
 
mountain muscle said:
Is it?

Iranian police arrest members of 3 families of converts from Islam to Christianity

No compulsion in religion: Just arrests and possible execution for leaving Islam. "Iran: Police arrest 12 Christian converts," from Compass Direct News, May 21:

ISTANBUL, May 21 (Compass Direct News) – Police in the southern Iran city of Shiraz this month cracked down against known Muslim converts to Christianity, arresting members of three Christian families and confiscating their books and computers.

The arrests began at 5 a.m. on May 11, when two couples were taken into custody before boarding their flights at the Shiraz International Airport and sent directly to jail. All four were subjected to hours of interrogation, questioning them solely “just about their faith and house church activities,” an Iranian source told Compass.

The detained Christians were identified as Homayon Shokohie Gholamzadeh, 48, and his wife Fariba Nazemiyan Pur, 40; and Amir Hussein Bab Anari, 25, and his wife Fatemeh Shenasa, 25.

Although the two wives were released the same day of their arrest, Anari was detained until May 14, and Gholamzadeh remains jailed.

Two hours after the early morning arrests of May 11, police authorities invaded the home of Hamid Allaedin Hussein, 58, arresting him and his three adult children, Fatemah, 28, Muhammed Ali, 27, and Mojtaba, 21.

All the family’s books, CDs, computers and printers were hauled off as well.

Hussein, his daughter and one son were released later the same day, but son Mojtaba remains in prison.

Two days later, local police picked up two more former Muslims involved in a separate house church in Shiraz as the Christian converts were talking together in a city park. Both men, Mahmood Matin and a second man identified only as Arash, are still jailed.

Still another arrest incident was reported last month in the northern city of Amol, in Mazandaran province near the Caspian Sea. Two of the arrested converts to Christianity, one a pregnant woman, are still imprisoned, with no news of their whereabouts.

Mushrooming House Churches

Over the past two years, Iran’s harsh Shiite Muslim regime has continued to arrest, harass and intimidate dozens of citizens involved in the nation’s mushrooming house church movements.

One such movement confirmed last month that its indigenous groups of Iranian converts to Christianity are doubling in size every six months.

Converts from Islam are routinely subjected to both physical and psychological mistreatment while being held for days or weeks, usually in solitary confinement. Huge bail amounts are demanded for their release, under the threat of further detention or formal criminal prosecution if caught worshipping or spreading their faith. [...]

In January of this year, the Iranian parliament drafted a proposed criminal code that would make the death penalty mandatory for “apostates” who leave Islam for another religion.

You do know I hate Iran and everything it stands for dnt you?

Hence my hate for Hizbollah
 
redsamurai said:
so we should arrest christian to muslim converts?? How about atheists/agnostics........let's lock them up cause apparently what camel riding goat herders do in a backwater asscrack part of the world should somehow matter to us.


I was pointing out the irony, after the mention of respect.


Also, if you didn't notice. Those camel riding goat herders are doing it here now too.
 
jackangel said:
son, the problem this article seems to focus on is the singular direction of these consequences, and the system that is making it possible. the radical imam spewing his nonsense wasn't bum rushed, merely videotaped. and even if he had been assaulted, that's still no good. perhaps both religious monkeys could be allowed to shit out of their mouths without physical violence resulting?

nah, that would be too reasonable. the fact that men like them exist, and have followers...it evidences how unreasonable our world is. blame biology.


I'm kind of surprised at the universities actions in this matter as anyone else. I'm not saying they haven't stepped lines and corrective measures need to be taken. I don't necessarily have a problem with a university making some acquiescence to a special group........I don't have a problem with them refusing the videotape for instance. And whether I agree with the assault or not, they should be accountable to the laws of the united states. They're simply exploiting a system that christians have been expoloting for decades.........but now that it's another religion, everybody's up in arms. Christians have been taking liberties with the seperation of church and state doctrine for a long time now..........and this is what we get for not clamping down and making seperation of church and state watertight.
 
redsamurai said:
I'm kind of surprised at the universities actions in this matter as anyone else. I'm not saying they haven't stepped lines and corrective measures need to be taken. I don't necessarily have a problem with a university making some acquiescence to a special group........I don't have a problem with them refusing the videotape for instance. And whether I agree with the assault or not, they should be accountable to the laws of the united states. They're simply exploiting a system that christians have been expoloting for decades.........but now that it's another religion, everybody's up in arms. Christians have been taking liberties with the seperation of church and state doctrine for a long time now..........and this is what we get for not clamping down and making seperation of church and state watertight.


Doesn't mean that we have to allow now because we have in the past. Check out Utah and the separation of church and state there lol.
 
mountain muscle said:
Lol. I'd just shoot you with peanut butter and let the dogs chase you down.


As far as respect, I find it troublesome that the same people who find it acceptable to burn an American flag are the same ones who want the soldier who shot the koran strung up.


it's a little bit different. I'm mainly upset with that soldier not because I feel the Koran is worth a shit, it's not and neither is the bible............what I'm upset about is the soldiers lack of even rudimentary knowledge of where he's at and what circumstances surround him. At a time where we're trying to make amends and get the fuck out of there, this cocksucker decides to take this book that everyone in a million square miles around him find "holy".........this fucker takes that book and uses it as target practice?? That's just stupid and contrary to what the U.S military is trying to do there. If that was my squad, that dude got a blanket party like no other that night. Something like that could make an already bad situation ten times worse for american soldiers. How would you feel if your buddy took a sniper round to the face and that sniper left a little message saying that was for the desecration of our book...???? You just gotta be smart. Like how smart would I be if I wiped my ass with the flag infront of your house?? Not very would I???
 
mountain muscle said:
I find this interesting...


Enforcing Sharia at UC-Irvine

In "UC Irvine Still Enforcing Sharia Law" by Jonathan Constantine Movroydis and Reut Cohen at Pajamas Media, May 22, we see how dhimmi university administrators allow Muslim students to enforce Sharia provisions (no filming of the "sisters") on the campus of a public university:

...The featured speaker last Thursday, May 15, was Amir Abdel Malik-Ali, a radical imam from Oakland who is all too familiar to UCI students. Malik-Ali frequently engages in anti-Western rhetoric and is a vocal supporter of terrorist groups. Not only has he praised Hamas, Hezbollah, and the mujahadeen in Afghanistan as “Islamic resistance” movements struggling against Western “oppressors,” he has called any scrutiny of these terror groups mere “propaganda.” Following Ali’s speeches to UCI’s MSU, the audiences of keffiyah-wearing Muslim students always repetitively recite the battle cry “Takbir! Allahu Akbar!” This year’s audience was no different.

While his rhetoric is lurid and apocalyptic, Malik-Ali’s speech is protected under the First Amendment. What’s alarming is the administration’s willingness to enforce the MSU’s prerogatives on other students who attend their events — hence the application of Sharia law where the Bill of Rights is applicable. For example, while videotaping Malik-Ali’s speech, we were confronted by a school administrator. Dean of Student Services Sally Peterson told us that, on behalf of the male students, we would have to stop filming the female activists, or as she called them “the sisters.” Aware of our rights, we refused her orders and continued covering the event.

As we continued our coverage of the festivities, members of the MSU ultimately decided to enforce what appears to be their own principle of just retribution. After Thursday’s event, the MSU walked up and down the main campus road chanting anti-Israel slogans and blocking off the entire walkway for several minutes while police and administrators stood by idly.

A male individual, who was filming the hateful procession, had at least three Muslim males charge at him for daring to film as the females from the group walked past. One of the males, a student named Yasser Ahmed who purportedly threw a cinderblock at an FBI vehicle last year, said to the cameraman: “You wanna get jacked! We can go get jacked right now! C’mon Emanuel, we’ve learned a lot about you let’s go! Lets go get jacked, Lets go get jacked!”

The UCI police department treated this incident unprofessionally and took no action. The student journalist gave his statement to a UCI police officer and explained how he was assaulted. The officer then went to take statements from the males MSU members. The police would not, however, take statements from those who witnessed the assault against the student journalist. After the police officer took statements, he told the student journalist that one of the males who charged at him had apologized and that nothing more could be done.

A Christian preacher on campus, Michael Venyah, also had his rights violated last Thursday. This preacher, who believes that all people must accept Jesus in order to get into heaven, began preaching about the prophet Mohammad and his crimes. Evidently, MSU members didn’t like hearing what he had to say and opted for charging and running into him. This was clearly an incident of assault. The cops present did nothing, and Dean of Judicial Affairs Edgar Dormitorio suggested that Mr. Venyah should leave.

Another case of MSU’s vigilantism occurred when a young Jewish female was followed back to her car and surrounded by six members of the MSU. A community member who witnessed the harassment also had her civil rights violated when the Muslim students noticed her. As UC Irvine police offers stood idly by, the Muslim students proceeded to situate themselves on the hood of her car in order to photograph her face, her vehicle identification number, and her license plate. When she later called the police department for answers, they justified the criminal behavior as the culmination of a tit for tat ethnic squabble. Put simply, they justified the need for Muslim students to “vent,” as they were just getting back at the Jews.

One group at UC Irvine has monopolized freedom of speech and expression. MSU organizers have taken it upon themselves to restrict the freedoms of others on the university campus and have managed to avoid significant criticism from the administration. Conversely, those who voice concern over MSU’s actions are depicted as stirring up trouble....

What a shame. I have a feeling that we will be reading more stories like this in the near future.
 
jackangel said:
alcatraz, you can stop pointing out how you differ from radical muslims...no one's attacking you here. lmao.


yeah, cause americans are not guilty at all of painting all muslims as disciples of bin laden...... :rolleyes:

not flaming you bro, but I completely understand traz's defensiveness especially because a few guy here have already tried to do just that to him.
 
redsamurai said:
yeah, cause americans are not guilty at all of painting all muslims as disciples of bin laden...... :rolleyes:

not flaming you bro, but I completely understand traz's defensiveness especially because a few guy here have already tried to do just that to him.


I disagree.
 
mountain muscle said:
Did you hear Harvard closed a gym on campus down to cater to muslim women who were not allowed to be seen in front of other males in gym clothes?

I have a serious problem with them catering to those sort of beliefs.

Yeah that's f'ing weak.
 
the_alcatraz said:
I didn't say anything. Carry on.


wouldn't your wife be stoned in the middle east for appearing in pictures like the one's you posted?

You're lebanese right? Are they strict there? Do women have to roll in birka's??
 
the_alcatraz said:
P.S. I rather we get invaded and ruled by the US....then be ruled by hizbolla
That's a relief :rolleyes:

I don't have a problem with allowing extremists to speak at our universities.

My problem is when they enjoy our rights to free speech and then adopt a Middle East style of repress any dissenting viewpoints here in the West. They seem to be the only ones being protected.
 
redsamurai said:
wouldn't your wife be stoned in the middle east for appearing in pictures like the one's you posted?

You're lebanese right? Are they strict there? Do women have to roll in birka's??

lolololololololololololol

Lebanon is majority christian. they have no rules. women is lebanon barely wear anything....lotta peeps with drinking prbs....it's the usa of the midde east really....we're not iran or saudia arabia....women have just as much rights as men....treated equally....pretty much prostitution in legal
 
LOL at alc's first post in this thread accusing people of attacking muslims.
 
mountain muscle said:
Did you hear Harvard closed a gym on campus down to cater to muslim women who were not allowed to be seen in front of other males in gym clothes?

I have a serious problem with them catering to those sort of beliefs.

I don't really see anything wrong with that. Harvard made a small concession so that these women could work out without violating their sense of modesty. I think the gym is closed to men for like 2 hours a day, and there are 3 gyms at Harvard.
 
By the by, I found a website run by a bunch of ex-muslim scholars. Some good reading in there for anybody who is interested:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Authors.htm

And no, this isnt an attack against Muslims (if anybody asks). Its interesting that this is a site devoted to (apparently) intelligent folk who became extremely dissapointed by the types of actions and rituals that were forced on them during their day-to-day life.
 
Stefka said:
I don't really see anything wrong with that. Harvard made a small concession so that these women could work out without violating their sense of modesty. I think the gym is closed to men for like 2 hours a day, and there are 3 gyms at Harvard.


I agree, not a big deal there. Especially when we all realize and acknowledge the way men view women in the gym environment, it's a meat market and everybody knows it.
 
redsamurai said:
I agree, not a big deal there. Especially when we all realize and acknowledge the way men view women in the gym environment, it's a meat market and everybody knows it.
Gross.

And I agree.
 
mountain muscle said:
Why inconvenience the majority for a minority viewpoint?

Let them join a private, women-only gym.
That would make entirely too much sense.

If there is enouhg of a demand for this gym to close on certain days, then there certainly would be enough demand (ie business) for a women only gym.

Isnt that why god invented "Curves?"
 
mountain muscle said:
Why inconvenience the majority for a minority viewpoint?

Let them join a private, women-only gym.
But they're paying a crap load of money to go to Harvard. Gym fees are included in tuition. Let Harvard deal with it.
 
mountain muscle said:
Why inconvenience the majority for a minority viewpoint?

Let them join a private, women-only gym.


If I remember this story right, it's at a relatively "down time" when nobody really works out. "In this case"........I don't see the big deal. I put my foot down when these fuckers dont' want to take their birka's off to show their face for photo ID purposes. That really grinds my gears!! That's the kind of line I"m talking about........we can all be reasonable and pragmatic and let people have some extra rope in certain cases...........but there are times when you gotta pull that rope. And being able to vote with a potato sack over your head is bullshit.......for instance.
 
And the majority isn't really being inconvenienced. Dudes can go to the other two gyms during those two hours.
 
Stefka said:
But they're paying a crap load of money to go to Harvard. Gym fees are included in tuition. Let Harvard deal with it.


So are the other students without "special needs."


And it sets an extremely bad precedent.
 
mountain muscle said:
So are the other students without "special needs."
So Harvard shouldn't invest money in wheel chair ramps because it only benefits students with "special needs?"
 
mountain muscle said:
So are the other students without "special needs."
And all of the other students can still use 1 gym 90% of the time, and the other two gyms 100% of the time.
 
Stefka said:
So Harvard shouldn't invest money in wheel chair ramps because it only benefits students with "special needs?"


Can the students in wheel chairs decide when to get out of them at any time?

Do wheelchair ramps interfere at all with any other student's?


Isn't wheelchair access required by law or code though?
 
mountain muscle said:
Can the students in wheel chairs decide when to get out of them at any time?
For many people, going against their religion would be totally inconceivable.
Should Harvard really ask these women to forsake their religion?
Ok ladies, your choice - religion or health.

mountain muscle said:
Do wheelchair ramps interfere at all with any other student's?
The money could have been spent benefiting the majority, not the handicapped minority.
 
Stefka said:
For many people, going against their religion would be totally inconceivable.
Should Harvard really ask these women to forsake their religion?
Ok ladies, your choice - religion or health.

Yes, they should ask them to forsake their religion. Relgion should be kept at home in private.
 
Stefka said:
For many people, going against their religion would be totally inconceivable.
Should Harvard really ask these women to forsake their religion?
Ok ladies, your choice - religion or health.


The money could have been spent benefiting the majority, not the handicapped minority.


They have a choice to go elsewhere to work out as I mentioned before. Nobody said anything about forsaking their religion.

And are you serious about wheelchair ramps? So they should break the law instead of installing them?

Why not also allow muslims a private place to pray 5 times a day. Doesn't the koran encourage modesty, not require it? These women are making a choice because of their beliefs. The university should not have to cater to them.
 
redsamurai said:
If I remember this story right, it's at a relatively "down time" when nobody really works out. "In this case"........I don't see the big deal. I put my foot down when these fuckers dont' want to take their birka's off to show their face for photo ID purposes. That really grinds my gears!! That's the kind of line I"m talking about........we can all be reasonable and pragmatic and let people have some extra rope in certain cases...........but there are times when you gotta pull that rope. And being able to vote with a potato sack over your head is bullshit.......for instance.

I think if I remember correctly also, there weren't very many of those who were protesting in order to get this special "muslim ladies only" time who were actually USING the gym during those times. Seems like they just wanted to bitch about it. Now they have it and low and behold the majority don't give a shit about using it. Figures.
 
mountain muscle said:
Also, does Harvard receive any sort of govt. funding? :)


for research grants, but the actually school itself is privately funded. So it's a school decision. They shouldn't be "REQUIRED" to acquiesce in this case, but they chose to themselves........and imo, it's a good call. They give up very little and gain alot.........it's a good win for them.
 
mountain muscle said:
They have a choice to go elsewhere to work out as I mentioned before. Nobody said anything about forsaking their religion.

And are you serious about wheelchair ramps? So they should break the law instead of installing them?

Why not also allow muslims a private place to pray 5 times a day. Doesn't the koran encourage modesty, not require it? These women are making a choice because of their beliefs. The university should not have to cater to them.

Ok, so take the gym fees out of the tuition.
But hey, instead of fucking with the tuition wouldn't it just be easier to give these women 2 hours of gym time at one of the three Harvard gyms?

When I was an undergrad I could not afford a separate gym. It was the school gym or nothing. I'm sure it is the same for many of these women.

My muslim friends just prayed in their dorm rooms five times a day, so that was never a point of contention.
 
redsamurai said:
for research grants, but the actually school itself is privately funded. So it's a school decision. They shouldn't be "REQUIRED" to acquiesce in this case, but they chose to themselves........and imo, it's a good call. They give up very little and gain alot.........it's a good win for them.


What do they gain?
 
Stefka said:
Ok, so take the gym fees out of the tuition.
But hey, instead of fucking with the tuition wouldn't it just be easier to give these women 2 hours of gym time at one of the three Harvard gyms?

When I was an undergrad I could not afford a separate gym. It was the school gym or nothing. I'm sure it is the same for many of these women.

My muslim friends just prayed in their dorm rooms five times a day, so that was never a point of contention.


Easier? Yes. But you are completly ignoring the precedent it sets.
 
75th said:
Easier? Yes. But you are completly ignoring the precedent it sets.

It is about balancing interests.
This has almost no impact on the male student body.
It is a very good thing for the Muslim women who want to work out.
The benefits to the minority greatly outweigh the detriments to the majority.

There was a subset of students who could not use school facilities due to religious beliefs. Harvard made reasonable accommodations for them.

There is nothing new about making reasonable accommodations.
 
the_alcatraz said:
lolololololololololololol

Lebanon is majority christian. they have no rules. women is lebanon barely wear anything....lotta peeps with drinking prbs....it's the usa of the midde east really....we're not iran or saudia arabia....women have just as much rights as men....treated equally....pretty much prostitution in legal


LOL...Lebanon is the middle east's party central by comparison I guess.
 
redsamurai said:
cultural good will. Again, there's a line.........and that wasn't crossing it.

Cultural good will?

Like allowing radical imams to speak at the university and try to enforce their own sharia laws on those in attendance of a public speech? Oh then ignoring crimes commited because other people didn't follow their beliefs.
 
canadianhitman said:
LOL...Lebanon is the middle east's party central by comparison I guess.


Actually a friend of mine from there told me the same thing. He is still stuck working in Kuwait City now. Not such a party town.
 
mountain muscle said:
Actually a friend of mine from there told me the same thing. He is still stuck working in Kuwait City now. Not such a party town.


I don't doubt it. At the risk of sounding prejudiced, of all the people of middle eastern descent I've ever gotten to know...only three were cool. All three were from Lebanon. Coincidence? I think not.
 
mountain muscle said:
Cultural good will?

Like allowing radical imams to speak at the university and try to enforce their own sharia laws on those in attendance of a public speech? Oh then ignoring crimes commited because other people didn't follow their beliefs.

From what I read, they didn't allow the speech to be videotaped right? Was that all or was there more?

And yeah, the assault should be handled like anyone else, and the harrassement of the jewish girl would get them a sit down with me if I was the town police chief. As far as I'd be concerned, they should provide a bodyguard for her because anything that happened to her I'd basically just pin on them right away and drag them off to pound me in the ass penitentiary. They'd be gettin some guantanamo cock meat sandwhich....:lmao: (harold and kumar reference)
 
Stefka said:
It is about balancing interests.
This has almost no impact on the male student body.
It is a very good thing for the Muslim women who want to work out.
The benefits to the minority greatly outweigh the detriments to the majority.

There was a subset of students who could not use school facilities due to religious beliefs. Harvard made reasonable accommodations for them.

There is nothing new about making reasonable accommodations.

adj. (prĭ-sēd'nt, prĕs'ĭ-dənt)

An act or instance that may be used as an example in dealing with subsequent similar instances.

This isnt about the accomodations. Im sure everyone agrees that this isnt ruining the lives of anybody.

This is about the precedent it sets. An applicable comparison would be allowing a woman to take her driver's license photo wearing a hajib (that covers her face).
 
75th said:
adj. (prĭ-sēd'nt, prĕs'ĭ-dənt)

An act or instance that may be used as an example in dealing with subsequent similar instances.

This isnt about the accomodations. Im sure everyone agrees that this isnt ruining the lives of anybody.

This is about the precedent it sets. An applicable comparison would be allowing a woman to take her driver's license photo wearing a hajib (that covers her face).

Dude, I'm a law student - I live and breathe precedent.
Allow me to clarify...
Making reasonable accommodations for religions groups is not setting new precedent.
Remember the SATs? Jewish students were allowed to take them on an alternate date as the Jewish Sabbath is a Saturday and all of us gentiles took them on a Saturday. No big deal - right?

Taking a DL pic with the hajib is against the point of an identification photo, so obviously the detriments outweigh the benefits.

Closing one of 3 gyms for 2 hours is a reasonable accommodation.
 
redsamurai said:
From what I read, they didn't allow the speech to be videotaped right? Was that all or was there more?

And yeah, the assault should be handled like anyone else, and the harrassement of the jewish girl would get them a sit down with me if I was the town police chief. As far as I'd be concerned, they should provide a bodyguard for her because anything that happened to her I'd basically just pin on them right away and drag them off to pound me in the ass penitentiary. They'd be gettin some guantanamo cock meat sandwhich....:lmao: (harold and kumar reference)


You should re read. They can't stop filming, the school admin tried though.

They assaulted a preacher, a woman and a student journalist. Nothing was done about any of it.

The right to peaceably assemble is protected as well but, blocking and shutting down a walkway while chanting anti-jewish statements isn't peaceful.
 
mountain muscle said:
You should re read. They can't stop filming, the school admin tried though.

They assaulted a preacher, a woman and a student journalist. Nothing was done about any of it.

The right to peaceably assemble is protected as well but, blocking and shutting down a walkway while chanting anti-jewish statements isn't peaceful.

I'm not saying lines werent crossed.......but the article was pretty vague about the supposed "assaults". The priest got "run into"?? what does that mean? They tried to pick a fight with one of the student journalists........again, somebody needs to have a sit down with these guys..........but let's put things in perspective. What they did to the woman though is profoundly unacceptable though..........there would be hell to pay if that was my campus.
 
75th said:
adj. (prĭ-sēd'nt, prĕs'ĭ-dənt)

An act or instance that may be used as an example in dealing with subsequent similar instances.

And I'm pretty sure "precedent" is a noun in the way that you were using it.
 
being politically correct is no longer the "in" thing to do.
We've politically corrected ourselves right in the toilet.

I'm all for humans rights and freedoms, but not where religion is involved.,
Trust me, in the next 50 years, the mother tongue of North America will be Arabic.
At some point we need to protect our own culture.

If Muslim girls want gym time, then they can go rent a gym and do what they need.
I don't think any religion should get special treatment.
 
CMarc said:
That's a relief :rolleyes:

I don't have a problem with allowing extremists to speak at our universities.

My problem is when they enjoy our rights to free speech and then adopt a Middle East style of repress any dissenting viewpoints here in the West. They seem to be the only ones being protected.
+1

If I want to burn a US flag, I have the right to do so. If I want to draw a picture of Mohammad and then piss on it and then burn it, then I have the right to do so.
 
mountain muscle said:
I find this interesting...


Enforcing Sharia at UC-Irvine

In "UC Irvine Still Enforcing Sharia Law" by Jonathan Constantine Movroydis and Reut Cohen at Pajamas Media, May 22, we see how dhimmi university administrators allow Muslim students to enforce Sharia provisions (no filming of the "sisters") on the campus of a public university:

...The featured speaker last Thursday, May 15, was Amir Abdel Malik-Ali, a radical imam from Oakland who is all too familiar to UCI students. Malik-Ali frequently engages in anti-Western rhetoric and is a vocal supporter of terrorist groups. Not only has he praised Hamas, Hezbollah, and the mujahadeen in Afghanistan as “Islamic resistance” movements struggling against Western “oppressors,” he has called any scrutiny of these terror groups mere “propaganda.” Following Ali’s speeches to UCI’s MSU, the audiences of keffiyah-wearing Muslim students always repetitively recite the battle cry “Takbir! Allahu Akbar!” This year’s audience was no different.

While his rhetoric is lurid and apocalyptic, Malik-Ali’s speech is protected under the First Amendment. What’s alarming is the administration’s willingness to enforce the MSU’s prerogatives on other students who attend their events — hence the application of Sharia law where the Bill of Rights is applicable. For example, while videotaping Malik-Ali’s speech, we were confronted by a school administrator. Dean of Student Services Sally Peterson told us that, on behalf of the male students, we would have to stop filming the female activists, or as she called them “the sisters.” Aware of our rights, we refused her orders and continued covering the event.

As we continued our coverage of the festivities, members of the MSU ultimately decided to enforce what appears to be their own principle of just retribution. After Thursday’s event, the MSU walked up and down the main campus road chanting anti-Israel slogans and blocking off the entire walkway for several minutes while police and administrators stood by idly.

A male individual, who was filming the hateful procession, had at least three Muslim males charge at him for daring to film as the females from the group walked past. One of the males, a student named Yasser Ahmed who purportedly threw a cinderblock at an FBI vehicle last year, said to the cameraman: “You wanna get jacked! We can go get jacked right now! C’mon Emanuel, we’ve learned a lot about you let’s go! Lets go get jacked, Lets go get jacked!”

The UCI police department treated this incident unprofessionally and took no action. The student journalist gave his statement to a UCI police officer and explained how he was assaulted. The officer then went to take statements from the males MSU members. The police would not, however, take statements from those who witnessed the assault against the student journalist. After the police officer took statements, he told the student journalist that one of the males who charged at him had apologized and that nothing more could be done.

A Christian preacher on campus, Michael Venyah, also had his rights violated last Thursday. This preacher, who believes that all people must accept Jesus in order to get into heaven, began preaching about the prophet Mohammad and his crimes. Evidently, MSU members didn’t like hearing what he had to say and opted for charging and running into him. This was clearly an incident of assault. The cops present did nothing, and Dean of Judicial Affairs Edgar Dormitorio suggested that Mr. Venyah should leave.

Another case of MSU’s vigilantism occurred when a young Jewish female was followed back to her car and surrounded by six members of the MSU. A community member who witnessed the harassment also had her civil rights violated when the Muslim students noticed her. As UC Irvine police offers stood idly by, the Muslim students proceeded to situate themselves on the hood of her car in order to photograph her face, her vehicle identification number, and her license plate. When she later called the police department for answers, they justified the criminal behavior as the culmination of a tit for tat ethnic squabble. Put simply, they justified the need for Muslim students to “vent,” as they were just getting back at the Jews.

One group at UC Irvine has monopolized freedom of speech and expression. MSU organizers have taken it upon themselves to restrict the freedoms of others on the university campus and have managed to avoid significant criticism from the administration. Conversely, those who voice concern over MSU’s actions are depicted as stirring up trouble....


are we supposed to just believe this crock of shit story?

lool
 
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