Drinking and steroids please please help

[Ironth1313]

Last night/early morning, I got trashed. I planned on starting my first cycle tomorrow morning. This changed due to personal accounts during the summer. The original plan was to start in July but I can't do that now and don't want to wait till August I start. I have a perfect window now before I have to leave in July to do a cycle. Cycle consist of:

Test E 250x2 a week
Dbol 20 Ed bump to 30 after fist week for 6 weeks
Then stick to test E the rest of the cycle

My concern is the Dbol and it being in pill form and my liver. Will it be okay to start tomorrow still? I do have NAC for liver detox. Oh and I hardly ever drink but when I do I drink like a fish and will not drink at all on cycle. Please help, really want to start tomorrow but if it's a bad idea I won't.

 

[DocToxin8]

With such a moderate/low dose of DBOL (20mg/ED), liver stress from one day of alcohol use one day prior to startup should be of no real concern.
While alcohol is never a good idea in terms of bodybuilding, it will not matter much that you were drunk one day before cycle.
If on the other hand you've been drinking heavily for a week, or several weeks, then it would be a good idea to let your liver recover for at least a week before starting a cycle.
But with the doses you are planning, even moderate alcohol use (not recommended) on cycle would not be any great danger, unless you are also running other medications like
paracetamol/acetaminophen. Ethanol on cycle can reduce gains, and worsen the effects on the lipid profile. (everything that stresses the liver can affect lipid profile)
But from your information I would say your G2G.
But stay away from alcohol on cycle, apart from toxicity and lipid profile, it may also worsen psychological sides. (in other words; can lead to unstable asshole-like behaviour)

 

[DocToxin8]

And very good that you have NAC, 600-750mg x 2 daily with Vit.C (also wize to take additional minerals like Zinc),
will help not only with liver tox, but may also reduce the infammatory process in your cardiovascular system, lessening atherosclerotic effects.
Apart from NAC, Milk Thistle (use a brand standarized to 80% silymarin) is also very valuable as both liver protectant & favorable lipid profile.

 

[Ironth1313]

Thank you so much, put my mind to rest. And thank you for the suggestions I'll be sure to get zinc and milk thistle. I appreciate it, oh and would bumping up to 40 of Dbol be okay then?

 

[DocToxin8]

40mg DBOL ED is still within the limits of the dosages they have studied for 6months therapy.
I read (among others) a study on 50mg ED for 6months , (for women!), which concluded with no adverse effects on hepatic function,
nor any virilization of the subjects. I would say they were quite lucky not to get virilizing side effects,
but when it comes to hepatotoxicity, even 50mg ED for quite a long term seem to be tolerated in most individuals.
The effects on lipid profile is another story however.
But yes, you should be fine. But I would highly recommend getting blood work done during and after the cycle.
Remember that the liver is actually very good at regenerating istelf, while the kidneys are not.
So liver support has more to do with being on the safe side, and helping the lipid profile, than actually preventing any damage to the liver,
which is in reality quite difficult to damage with sane doses of AAS.
(unless you're also using other drugs than AAS, or alcohol)
This does not mean you should take the issue lightly, cause even tough hepatic failure & jaundice are quite rare,
it may happen, and sometimes even with moderate use, because your liver may react differently to a given compund.

 

[Ironth1313]

Thanks again for the info, I greatly appreciate it. One more question should I start off with 40ed right of the bat or work my way into it? Like start off with 20ed first week and then bump up?

 

[ALIN]

Last night/early morning, I got trashed. I planned on starting my first cycle tomorrow morning. This changed due to personal accounts during the summer. The original plan was to start in July but I can't do that now and don't want to wait till August I start. I have a perfect window now before I have to leave in July to do a cycle. Cycle consist of:

Test E 250x2 a week
Dbol 20 Ed bump to 30 after fist week for 6 weeks
Then stick to test E the rest of the cycle

My concern is the Dbol and it being in pill form and my liver. Will it be okay to start tomorrow still? I do have NAC for liver detox. Oh and I hardly ever drink but when I do I drink like a fish and will not drink at all on cycle. Please help, really want to start tomorrow but if it's a bad idea I won't.

You will be just fine. I wouldn't drink or get smashed on cycle though,,,thats a bad idea.
Your gains will suffer and its extra strain on your body that you don't need.

 

[DocToxin8]

To start at 20 or 40mg ED - Depends on Your goals.
In the olden days they'd pyramid: going 10 - 15 - 20 - 25 - 30 -35 - 40 - 40 (40mg ED 4 weeks), then taper - 35 - 30 - 25 ... etc
This however, isn't any point. (the theory behind it about saturation of receptors is bunk)
I would rather start at 40mg, then reduce if any side effect you don't like pop up.
The half life of DBOL is so short (about 3 hours), that there is no real problem in reducing your dose quickly should problems occur.
20mg ED is a bit on the low side, even for a mild cycle, but when taken with test e it gives a great synergy, and even that low of a dose will yield some effects,
and without contributing with any bloating,
With 30 you should see better results, without much bloat if diet is OK.
(bloating on DBOL is highly dependent on diet & test intake. Wihout test, DBOL cause little to no bloat in the 30-40mg range)

Since you'll be running 500mg test e a week, bloat & estro issues might arise.
The addition of the DBOL will contribute, but in my opinion even 40mg DBOL ED will give less bloat than if you added another 250mg test e pr week.
BTW, I hope you got something for estro control.
You might not need it, but with 500mg test e alone its a gamle.
While the DBOL in istelf doesn't aromatise much, it will aromatise to a very powerfull estrogen: methyl-estradiol.
On top of that, the DBOL will have quite a large impact on stuff like SHBG, causing more of the test to be free,
and it will cause spikes in the hormonal levels, all of which may also increase estrogen formation from the test.