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Do you think US will turn it's back to Israel

Weapon X said:
I pray not, but Bush has the smell of Moslem ass on his lips these days...
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No way he'll abandon them, we've aligned ourselves with them for this long there's no way we'd ever do that to our allies, would we? It's not like US policy to support someone one day then turn our back on them the next......... oh wait nevermind.
 
Washington has condemned as "unacceptable" Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's accusation that the US is appeasing Arab states in order to gain support in its war on terrorism.

Mr Sharon had compared the treatment of Israel with events leading up to World War II, when Britain and France helped Nazi Germany dismember Czechoslovakia.

"Those comments made by the prime minister are unacceptable in the president's opinion," said President Bush's spokesman, Ari Fleischer.

He added that Mr Sharon had been informed of the US response to his comments through the US embassy in Israel.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1581000/1581588.stm
 
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I kinda wish we had a leader like Ariel Sharon that actually had some ballsac 2 do something about this. Bush even though I am republican 150% is being a pussy, why he is fucking aroudn waiting on this and that for the talbain 2 do somethign they never will, if sharon was president we would have went and put the heat on those fuckers a long time ago. I hope bush either grows some nutsac and does something or just shuts the fuck up and stops acting like he is doing something that he isn't.

Drizz
 
I bet Bush will, if Israel becomes an obstruction to his plan to rid the world of terrorism. We have aligned with others before to cut them lose when it doesn't serve our best interest.

Israel is approaching that level now.

Bush is doing the best he can, we can't just start launching missiles. We have to find these fuckers first, and that will take some time. It's their turf remember?
 
no way bro, AIPAC is a Isreali lobbying group in DC, they are pretty much the most powerful group on the hill. They have so much money and clout that there is no way in hell we'd turn our back on Isreal
 
why do we want to make the arabs happy? they kill about 7,000 of our people and we are the fucking ones bending over backwards to make them fuckers happy. what the fuck!!!
 
I think both of the Jews and the Arabs should have knock down no prisoners type of war. Let them take each other out. Sick of both of them and there differences.

And I don't care about democracy in the middle east. Screw them both.

They can't get along and will drag the world down with them, so let them go at it.
 
Laserdude said:
I think both of the Jews and the Arabs should have knock down no prisoners type of war. Let them take each other out. Sick of both of them and there differences.

And I don't care about democracy in the middle east. Screw them both.

They can't get along and will drag the world down with them, so let them go at it.
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i dont see why you have anything against israel. i agree that we should back off an let them go at it. i just dont see why you are all mad at israel. its not israelis going around conducting terrorist campaigns against us its the arabs.
 
The Nature Boy said:


No way he'll abandon them, we've aligned ourselves with them for this long there's no way we'd ever do that to our allies, would we? It's not like US policy to support someone one day then turn our back on them the next......... oh wait nevermind.
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bwaaa
 
We will not turn our back on them but it is my opinion that the first nuclear attacks to happen in the 21st century will come from an arab country and/or terrorist group that will hit Israel. By doing this it will make the U.S. very vunerable. Without U.S protection Israel can not last with the types of weapons that are now in the hands of some of these Arabic countries.
 
Nope, not unless they denounce us and walk away from us. Even if they did, we'd probably still help defend them.
 
the arabs benefit more now from our support of israel than israel does.
 
Re: Re: Do you think US will turn it's back to Israel

Wfabrizio said:
If only we were so lucky.
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I wonder what you would say if the US were to completely re-think its friendly relations with Italy.
 
First. I am an American citizen and not an Italian national.

Second. If our support of Italy would drag us into years of terrorist attacks and attempted attacks and all of the other "good stuff" we have encountered with Israel.......I would say drop Italy as well.

Let's face it, our unrelenting and uncompromsing support of Israel is the single most volatile issue in the Middle East and was the match that lit the initial fire.
 
Wfabrizio said:
First. I am an American citizen and not an Italian national.

Second. If our support of Italy would drag us into years of terrorist attacks and attempted attacks and all of the other "good stuff" we have encountered with Israel.......I would say drop Italy as well.

Let's face it, our unrelenting and uncompromsing support of Israel is the single most volatile issue in the Middle East and was the match that lit the initial fire.
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i guess because the terrorists want us out then we should do it. that would make us look real fucking tough. our support benefits the arabs more than the israelis anyway. i say we back off for a while and see what happens. israel wont have to worry about the united states butting in when they fuck up the arabs.
 
Wfabrizio said:
Let's face it, our unrelenting and uncompromsing support of Israel is the single most volatile issue in the Middle East and was the match that lit the initial fire.
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So we should ditch any policy that the Arabs threaten to bomb us over??
 
Wfabrizio said:
First. I am an American citizen and not an Italian national.
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I was aware of that. But you can't deny the fact that you have a much more of a personal bond to Italy than most non-Italians.


Wfabrizio said:
Second. If our support of Italy would drag us into years of terrorist attacks and attempted attacks and all of the other "good stuff" we have encountered with Israel.......I would say drop Italy as well.
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If Tunisia was planning on invading Sicily, I think you would be singing a different tune, despite the fact that you're an American citizen.


Wfabrizio said:
Let's face it, our unrelenting and uncompromsing support of Israel is the single most volatile issue in the Middle East and was the match that lit the initial fire.
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The Israeli-Arab conflict is one of the most thorniest issues in the Middle East, but it's not the only problem behind much of the tension. You're being naive if you think that our support of Israel is causing all of the problems over there.
 
Lots of people are saying how the US or GWB is not doing anything, well there is probably a good reason for that.
There are probably a lot of terrorists living here still right now at this very moment, and they probably have plans to carry out attacks a lot worse than the attacks on 9/11.
There are things being done, but they are probably being done very cautiously.
 
Weapon X said:


So we should ditch any policy that the Arabs threaten to bomb us over??
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We never should've helped to create Israel in the first place years and years ago after WWII.
 
Wfabrizio said:
We never should've helped to create Israel in the first place years and years ago after WWII.
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Yes, we should have allowed the remaining Jewish survivors of the Holocaust to remain in eastern and central Europe and stay in those unbelievably racist places, in which Jews were treated like absolute garbage for centuries prior to getting mass slaughtered in the 20th century. Yes indeed, and we should've also let the Jews residing all over the Middle East get slaughtered as militant religious fanatics took over in many countries of that region after the fall of the Nazi regime (with many former Nazi's recruited by the military esablishments of such countries like Syria and Egypt - I kid you not) and proceeded to get ready for some serious measures against the Jews.

Do you even understand the complexity of this problem?

Are you saying that the Jews have no claim to sovereignty?

BTW, Italy was created only in 1870 - it's also a relatively new nation. Did you know that?
 
What about all of the people who were slaughtered besides Jews? We did nothing for them except hand them over to the Soviet Union so that Stalin could finish the job. I'm not anti semitic or anything so don't take it the wrong way. I have nothing against Jews.

Let's be honest though, the Israeli's aren't exactly better than the Palestinians when it comes to violence. We sided with the Israeli's and they have done a fantastic job of creating thousands upon thousands of angry and militant Arabs.

You do understand that we turn a blind eye to the goings-on of Israel, correct? They assasinate, kidnap, torture and basically do anything they want without any condemnation from the Western nations. If it were any other nation the US and other Western nations would be very, very, very unapproving of its tactics.
 
With the exception of Gypsies, all of the other victimized peoples had national rights in Europe - the Jews did not. So, I don't think the comparison is that strong.

Please, let's not exaggerate and claim that Israel "can do whatever they want without any condemnation" from the West, although I'm not going to declare that they're innocent.

Regarding the nature of the current Israeli government - they're right-wing to the max and I absolutely abhor that kind of mentality. I was merely trying to prove a point that the Jews do have legitimate national claims to that land. That's all. To deny that there's a conflict in which both sides are de-humanizing each other would be pretty ignorant, IMHO.
 
Dean Kuntz said:
because they want the arab's support? I'd say that's fucked.
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I think not,

America need Isreal to protect there intrests in the middleast!!
Do u actually think they are funding isreal for nothing??
imagine what would happen if the arab countries decided to stop giving oil to the west

What really pisses me off and made my blood boil, was when ariel fuck sharon said that america actually favours the arabs!! what a fucking joke, I would like to grab that fat ugly son of a bitch and beat him till he dies. The Isreali government makes me sick and the Isreali citizens living there are no betterm, all of them are killers!!
 
and he actually made a comparission with the events of world war 2.

Ha ha, that is a joke. What about the time in 1982 when he was responsible for the 1982 massacre in a palestinian refugee camp in beirut which left thousands dead. He is like hitler if not worse in my opinion.
 
"why do we want to make the arabs happy? they kill about 7,000 of our people and we are the fucking ones bending over backwards to make them fuckers happy. what the fuck!!!"

MoneyBags....you talks as if the terrorist attacks against America was given the go-ahead by all the arabs around the world.
General opinion in the middle east is actually full of condemnation of those terrorist attacks and disagreement with the FANATIC EXTREMISTS who are the ones responsible for these attacks. Not the arabs...the fundamentalists are to blame.
Your comment has ignorance written all over it.

As for whoever said that they would prefer Sharon as a leader of the US, instead of Bush...do you realize how naive you sound?
Two words.....Shatilla and Sabra
Go do your research.
 
please

israel will never lose american support. they've done so much shit to you already (they stole your uranium, sunk you naval ships etc.) and you still give them billions. they pretty much went from the turdest military in that area to the best due to US help.

look at the current administration. sharons a war criminal. the US isnt gonna give blind support to a man like that. but they still give their supprt, look at the world racism talks, the US and israel veto'd them as they realised the arab world would accuse them of racism. thats a lot of support right there. in fact the only time theyve not shown complete support is when the US told israel to pull back its troops.

without the US israel would have not even existed and without continued US support it would have been taken over many years ago. and the arabs know it.
 
Israels days are numbered------Like I said earlier---the first nuke of the 21st century will hit Israel.. And there is nothing us in america will be able to do about it when it happens.
 
Stumpy said:
Regarding the nature of the current Israeli government - they're right-wing to the max and I absolutely abhor that kind of mentality. I was merely trying to prove a point that the Jews do have legitimate national claims to that land. That's all. To deny that there's a conflict in which both sides are de-humanizing each other would be pretty ignorant, IMHO.
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I completely agree. If the Israeli leadership wasn't so "hardline" they could've easily worked out a peaceful situation and living arrangement with the Palestinians years and years ago.

They haven't put in the effort and it shows with all of the violence. They have done the opposite and further escalated the violence now for years.
 
Wfabrizio said:


I completely agree. If the Israeli leadership wasn't so "hardline" they could've easily worked out a peaceful situation and living arrangement with the Palestinians years and years ago.

They haven't put in the effort and it shows with all of the violence. They have done the opposite and further escalated the violence now for years.
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Oh please!!! Barak offered them everything but the damn kitchen sink, inlcuding part of Jerusalem, and the Palestinians turned it down!! Gee, that must be the "hard-line Israelis'" fault, too.
 
Believe me, I'm not naive enough to think that the Palestinians are just good ol' people trying to fight oppression either. Sure, there are militants that are equally as "hardline" as any rightwing Israeli. The difference is, IMO, when they Israeli's retaliate they retaliate with so much extreme force that they further inspire MORE palestinians to join the militants. Israel is in effect, breeding their terrorist enemies by instilling hatred within the palestinians.

I hate to say it but at this point if any peace will exist it will have to be from 100% outside intervention such as in Bosnia & Kosovo. It's pretty obvious that leaving the peace process as it is now will not work. There must be outside intervention.
 
I have to call bullshit on that bro. I have been watching the conflict since last year when it started getting bad. On the overall I would have to say the Palestinians are much more brutal in their attacks (targetting civilian Israelis) than the Israelis (who target military and police buildings). The Israeli retaliation IMO has been far to soft on the Palestinians, thus encouraging the fuckers to keep throwing rocks, driving busses into bus stops, Setting off bombs in night clubs, etc.

If the Israelis put the clamp down now that they do not have a weak Leader anymore, they will win with an iron fist (the only way to win).

Overall the Israelis are only giving them what they bring on themselves, and also, it was Israel land FIRST... contrary to what they would like people to believe. Israel only claimed what was theirs in the first place.
 
Jimsbbc said:
than the Israelis (who target military and police buildings). The Israeli retaliation IMO has been far to soft on the Palestinians, thus encouraging the fuckers to keep throwing rocks, driving busses into bus stops, Setting off bombs in night clubs, etc.
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dude

youve never seen those tanks open up at those civillian buildings then

or israel moving troops into a reigon then beuing severly rebukled by the US

the reason they have been more harsh now is they have a war criminal in charge

the palestinians meanwhile cant seem to keep control of their own people with terrorist grouos everywhere.:rolleyes:
 
That is what they needed to do all along. They finally got a leader who has some balls and isn't retaliating by blowing up a police building and calling it an eye for an eye.
 
they need to re-initialise the peace process, which im sure america will try and do.....

dont forget sharon was responsible for the whole degradation of the peace process. he might look like a nice old man but hes a mass murderer
 
I agree with that, but Arafat is no saint himself. The peace process needs to go through and reach a conclusion bc it is never going to stop (short of all out war).

There is too much at stake for either group to give concessions so they are going to have it out sooner or later.
 
true

the isaelite hard liners and the muslim fanatics will both impede the process at every concievable point

jerusalem is the main stickler

but if they dont there will be all out war where isreal's civillians will suffer, but where the muslims will lose. so arafats gotta go for it. heck hes close to being deposed almost every day for being a sellout. he aint no saint too ;)
 
monkey_love said:
The fact of the matter is Isreal took over land that belonged to the Palastinians. Then the US Supports every edevior that the jews make, even if it isnt correct. Its like having someone come into your house and kick you out, without you having your own house back. The Palastians can live in Iseral, but they really dont have the state to call their own. Lets face it on a strictly moral level, the jews should give back the land they stole.
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The land was purchased from teh Arabs. It was not stolen.
 
Jimsbbc said:
I have to call bullshit on that bro. I have been watching the conflict since last year when it started getting bad. On the overall I would have to say the Palestinians are much more brutal in their attacks (targetting civilian Israelis) than the Israelis (who target military and police buildings). The Israeli retaliation IMO has been far to soft on the Palestinians, thus encouraging the fuckers to keep throwing rocks, driving busses into bus stops, Setting off bombs in night clubs, etc.

If the Israelis put the clamp down now that they do not have a weak Leader anymore, they will win with an iron fist (the only way to win).

Overall the Israelis are only giving them what they bring on themselves, and also, it was Israel land FIRST... contrary to what they would like people to believe. Israel only claimed what was theirs in the first place.
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Its called propaganda-----You only see what our media(run by jews) want you to see...
 
Israel has been too soft in their retaliations in the past and are only now dealing with them in the manner the Palestinians deserve, IMO
 
Weapon X said:


The land was purchased from teh Arabs. It was not stolen.
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I think that Israel has colonies as well.... It has been condemned by the UN for illegally occupying foreign soil.

If I am correct that's where the settlers live. These are enclaves in foreign soil and the governement will not give it back to Palestinian.

The Palestinians say that they want this land back... I think they are right and they should be given this land.

And then they should SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! The claim to this land is legitimate so they should have it.

Now if the real goal is to get all jews out then they should fuck off.

That way, we will see who really is right / wrong... If the real problems with the Arabs is that they can't stand the Jews then they are the RASCISTS and the TERRORISTS....

Sp the Jews should give them the land they illegally occupy and then hit them hard if they complain, want financial help or whatever else.

.......
 
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