Do any of you ladies use Anti E's for weight loss?

[Extra_Strong]

I was just wondering if they helped you all ? and if they were much help ?

thanks...

Strong,

 

[Ulter]

Women shouldn't do that unless it's just for a very short time pre-contest.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

SuperQT is using them right now. She is taking Nolvadex - page her and ask her about it.

 

[Ulter]

Then go look up MS's posts about why women shouldn't do it.

Like this one http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4668164&postcount=3

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Then go look up MS's posts about why women shouldn't do it.

I am in 110% agreement here. I do not think they need to be used in 99.9% of women. Even those competing. Unless you are in SERIOUS contention for an Olympia title. It is something I have NO interest in trying.

 

[Sassy69]

The use of anti-estrogens are not for the same purpose for women as for men, so when we think of using anti-e's it doesn't work quite the same. Men use the to deal w/ the aromatization of certain AAS that convert to estrogen and will tend to cause things like gyno ("bitch tits") in guys because it throw off the balance of male / female hormones in men. Most over the counter "anti-es" are specifically to prevent that conversion.

For women, the natural levels of estrogen we already produce make the amount of estrogen created by the tiny bit of AAS that women who do use, use compared to men, a negligble drop in the bucket. The estrogen you are talking about that women wish we could get better control of is the natural estrogen that we produce. Most to all of the research done on hormones that is related to post-menopausal women and breast cancer patients. Nolvadex is sort of a first-line treatment to try to address cancer growth in breast tissue. The more agressive line is to use Arimidex.

To Ulter's comment about MS's post on nolva -- since Nolva is used by breast cancer patients, if it was such a great method of addressing fat loss, wouldn't you expect to see lots of really lean cancer patients? It seems to only reall show result when you are already really lean like for competition. And also not to run it for an extended period of time because you are forcing the hormone levels to be off again and it just isn't a good state of existence to maintain. And when you come off, you need to watch for rebound too as the natural levels of hormone settle back in, you come off teh diet and start to do the whole post-show rebound, your bodyfat goes back up and the whole ammenorrhea (damn that is a hard word to spell...) stops.

So what we are saying is anti-e's are not a viable method of fat loss for women unless you are looking for short term result specific to something like competition, and then only if you really know what you are doing. Otherwise, diet & training will get you better results. Note that some women are just "really estrogenic" and have ot work harder than others and more consistently & longer (I dont mean doing 2 hrs of cardio instead of 1, I mean they have to just keep the regular trainin, cardio, diet going "forever" if they want to maintian or continue to lose).

 

[Extra_Strong]

To Ulter's comment about MS's post on nolva -- since Nolva is used by breast cancer patients, if it was such a great method of addressing fat loss, wouldn't you expect to see lots of really lean cancer patients? It seems to only reall show result when you are already really lean like for competition. ).

ok this is kinda what i was wondering? But at the same time if a person over weight 40-50 lbs lost 10 I would probably not notice.. but there could be a change.. I was really not sure how it worked or if maybe you would be able to keep your estrogen levels just right to lose weight or aid in it and it not bother you to much. or even if it helped at all and how much ha...

 

[Sassy69]

Bottom line, esp w/ women, there just isnt' enough known about really being able to balance hormones and estrogen does have a purpose in the female body, so if you try to limit it for the purpose of fat loss, you may also encounter issues due to lack of estrogen. That's *IF* whatever you are thinking of using actually works. Anti-e's like arimidex, etc are generally just way to strong for women & just not right.

It would be great if we could manage our hormone levels for these goals, but there are other ways to lose bodyfat other than messing w/ estrogen. Not to mention relying on pills to accomplish it creates the wrong expectations & behaviors.

 

[Extra_Strong]

Bottom line, esp w/ women, there just isnt' enough known about really being able to balance hormones and estrogen does have a purpose in the female body, so if you try to limit it for the purpose of fat loss, you may also encounter issues due to lack of estrogen. That's *IF* whatever you are thinking of using actually works. Anti-e's like arimidex, etc are generally just way to strong for women & just not right.

It would be great if we could manage our hormone levels for these goals, but there are other ways to lose bodyfat other than messing w/ estrogen. Not to mention relying on pills to accomplish it creates the wrong expectations & behaviors.

thanks for the info.. Sassy