Diet Beginners, READ HERE

[Phemomena]

I was just skimming the diet boards and seen some people posting things to beginners that really scared me, so i hoped i could help a few people out with here...

There are a number of what could be considered by some as "Extreme Diets" that discussed on this board...

Whether or not these diets are for you is up to you (and in some cases your doctor) to decide. All this post is pointing out is that it is best if you do your research and not jump into any extreme diet.

Beginners to dieting should recognize that the first steps in getting lean/healthy are portion control and moderation in your diet, drastic changes are not generally maintained for an extended period of time and will just leave you feeling more discouraged if you don't have the willpower to maintain.

Before starting any specific diet, ask questions of the more knowledgable posters for the diets you are interested (they're the ones who take the time to explain the diet and understand your current situation and goals), read past posts (use the search function) and make an educated decision on what is best for you and your body...

good luck to all

 

[Belial]

Sound advice.

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-Do not attempt any of the things listed on this board.

-Nobody under the age of 18 may view these diets.

-You are all idiots

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Okay, I'm done. Phemomena (Intentional misspelling?) many people here probably agree with you, but then again, this is a BODYBUILDING forum. There are plenty of healthy lifestyle forums out there; but this one here is designed for people to exchange ideas on the most effective ways to achieve their goals. Try issuing warnings to the anabolics forum.


I hear what you're saying, but please, if a beginner comes to this board asking about diet advice, the first thing he'll do is post his stats, and get flamed into pieces if he's doing something stupid.

Portion control, yes, this needs to be taught to fat old ladies. But the folks here, well....

Keto diets, CKDs, ECAs, etc., these are hardly extreme.

 

[Mr.X]

God, I just shed a tear....oh wait, now I woke up
Thanks for the advice...you really taught me something
LOL , now I shall become a better man. lol

Now, to be serious, sure I agree with most of the things you said, but, again, on the other hand, I don't really see any "newbie" that will listen to "reason". Remember, when you differentiate people, they become flaw minded with their beliefs, this, in turn, leads to mistakes. Same thing goes for brainwashing.

To add my 2cents=>
NEVER ASK FOR ILLEGAL DRUGS OR, IN FACT, ANY "DRUGS" ON THE BOARD OR EVEN IN THE PRIVATE MESSAGES.
Just because you don't see yourself getting monitored, it doesn't mean you are invistible, it just means, well, simply put, that they are smarter then us.
They=Feds
Trust me, I've been down that road.

Mr.X

 

[Phemomena]

this is a BODYBUILDING forum. There are plenty of healthy lifestyle forums out there; but this one here is designed for people to exchange ideas on the most effective ways to achieve their goals

couldn't agree with you more, but in the way of the Internet, there are people on these boards who are looking for quick fix and/or are very new to any form of dieting... (thus the Beginners subject)

i've seen a few people on here (who i could tell very easily were beginners) get some questionable advice from some (not all) people... (there are few posters who just flame everyone's threads with their own personal opinons...)

I'm just trying to encourage the BEGINNERS to do their research... not every diet is for everyone...

and yes, my name is intentionally mispelled

 

[Dr. E]

Beginner's have to be careful on these boards because for every good piece of advice given out by somebody that knows whats going on, there are 5 bad pieces of advice given out by retards who think they do.

The Doc

 

[Neo_born]

Some @hole's are just that

Man some @hole's are just that you know. There you were phenomena giving some sound advice and the roid dicks couldn't resist being what they truly are.


heheheh lamers

 

[johnny123]

ummm so if you if you disagree you take steroids? wow i guess im on steroids thanks for filling me in!

 

[Belial]

Beginner's have to be careful on these boards because for every good piece of advice given out by somebody that knows whats going on, there are 5 bad pieces of advice given out by retards who think they do.

The Doc

I couldn't agree more. THAT is what worries me sometimes; idiots giving advice.

And neo_born, shut the **** up.

 

[blood_drinker]

yeah whateva
extreme diets? a diet can be labelled "extreme" by you, but the so-called extreme diets in this board (ketogenic) , why are they extreme to you? Because they work well? WTF? All "diets" in this board are ALWAYS critiqued before the person even thinks about starting it. Unless you are currently eating obese-like portions (6 meals @ Mikey d's) then it is ok to jump on to an "extreme diet." If your calories were bulking calories, decrease them by 500/ week to get the metabolism adjusted. In any case, I think there is enough safety on this board about the diets and the advice you gave was unnecessary , IMO.

I'm just trying to encourage the BEGINNERS to do their research... not every diet is for everyone...

erm I thought they came to EF to research and learn?
whatever man, to an extent , that's what EVERYONE is doing. And fuck the advice, as all beginners HAVE to make mistakes. It's part of the game. Perhaps we at EF are there to critique and possibly prevent potential mistakes which could lead to injury etc...but realistically all that is advocated in this board fits everyone except perhaps the third generation, expectant mothers and the morbidly obese .

 

[Drifter]

No it is not ok to jump into an "extreme" diet (whatever that may mean). This can be very dangerous for certain people especially on the ketogenic diet. Any time you are changing the way you eat drastically (ie. little to no carbs) you should consult a doctor unless you have no health problems and even then its a good idea to check anyways. All it takes is for one person who forgets to mention the are diabetic or whatever and this could send them to the hospital. Not everyone is willing to do research and find out the proper way of doing things.


-End Rant-

 

[MR. BMJ]

In all, one diet that is considered easy by many may be hard to others, while some that are hard may be easy to some. I agree wholeheartedly that you do not have to jump into a CKD/keto (just using this as an example since many find it to be the "hardest to follow") diet to get to most of your goals. I can jump into a CKD at any time and not have any problems, while others find it a bitch. Actually, any time you are in a HYPOcaloric diet, you will always find it somewhat harder than that of a HYPERcaloric diet, no matter what the diet plan you are following. Most "bodybuilding" diets of where your goals are to get down to low bodyfat percentages are gonna make you feel like shit!!! As for how I usually go about setting up diets for someone who is really out of shape an/or obese is to start them on an easy diet like "Body-For-Life". Although I am no big fan of Butt-plug, this is a very good diet for beginners. This diet is really simple and easy to follow. Then I usually lead into some sort of Iso/Zone type diet. Finally, and if needed, I will recommend a CKD. If you can get the job done, and if you can reach your goals on a less-strict diet, then there is no need to go to any further extremes. I usually follow an isocaloric diet until it get me into 8-10% bodyfat (or until it becomes ineffective), then switch to a CKD for the final touches (although sometimes I will just start of CKDing). AND of course, this will vary upon each and every individual, and most of the time, it comes down to just whether or not you are eating less calories than you use. Ah hell, I could add a lot more, but I think that although you may get some bonehead answers here every now and then, the other members will usually chime in and corrrect the problem. Some may have noticed that i don't write as much anymore, this is because most people here are usually on the same page, and there is no real need to write it twice. Plus, I get tired of writing the same damn keto advice over and over....thanks to some of you newer members like (MR. X), and to some of you others that have learned a lot in this last year, for taking over on this, I was getting pretty burned-out...no offense of course to any of the newbies. Ahh shit, i'm getting off topic, and it looks like I seemed to write another damn novel....LATER!

I would like to add that the board has really taken off in the last month or two. I have also noticed that a lot of the members from a year ago who did not know much, have done a great job on educating themselves. Once you learn something, it comes easy and natural and fun to teach others. GREAT JOB!

MR. BMJ (Yeah, i'm on Vicodin right now...hehehe)