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exlax

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Hey guys,
I started juicin in may 04. had a couple years of natty training under my belt so felt I was ready. In retrospect I pronahly could have waited and made prety decent gains naturally. Admittedly I jmped the gun, but hey you live and you learn.

Anyways, the past 2+ years plus an additional year when I was 16, nodybuilding has been my life. It's my passion, it's my niche, it's what keeps me going.

I've been doing A LOT of research lately on androgen receptors, LH, HPTA, etc. and i've come to the conclusion that I would like to start HRT. I plan on running cycles with "off times" which would be merely HRT doses. I'm going to continue to get blood work done periodically and make sure kidneys, liver, etc. are in check, but I'm just plain tired of this rollercoaster ride.

Now I know many of you guys probably want to rip my head apart. but in a civilized matter can you tell me what are the implications, if any, in doing something like this? If I stick to mostly highly anabolic steroids, will this at least give me the chance to recover down the line? From the medical and scientific journals I have read, my conclusion is yes. What are your guys thoughts/comments on this?

I think I may have done some permenant damage regarding my test production, but I wanted to see some comments on that. Even if you guys think I didn't, I am still going to consider my HRT option.

Here's a link to my timeline of working out since I started 2 years ago.

http://photos.yahoo.com/veryleakybutt

And here are cycle stats.

Currently I'm 21
6'ish at 200ish+lbs 10ish BF


I've done 4 cycles. Starting weight last may (2004) was 185

8 weeks sust/deca 500/300mg pw - Gained 30 lbs with this course (with plenty of fat of course, ate wayyy to much)

8 weeks test eth 500mg pw - Gained 15-20lbs (did a little better with keeping fat in check)

5.5 weeks prop/tren 100/75mg EOD - Lost about 10lbs of fat and gained about 5 or so in muscle

and my last one - Lost 15lbs and made incredible strength gains up until I dropped the tren
1-13 test prop 100mg EOD
1-8 tren 100mg EOD
9-13 winny 50mg ED
 
This is a very sad post. No offense but hearing everything you have done at your age makes me sick to my stomach. You have wasted the good years of natural test production. Please do me a favor and see an Endo and perhaps there is a chance you can bounce back and enjoy a few years of "youth". Furthermore, your post reads like a child who lost their virginity at 8 years old and then at the age of 14 you to know if its ok to keep screwing.

Please dont take this the wrong way, I wish you the best of luck and would like to see some follow up posts from you on your progress regardless of the decision you make.
 
vitamix said:
This is a very sad post. No offense but hearing everything you have done at your age makes me sick to my stomach. You have wasted the good years of natural test production. Please do me a favor and see an Endo and perhaps there is a chance you can bounce back and enjoy a few years of "youth". Furthermore, your post reads like a child who lost their virginity at 8 years old and then at the age of 14 you to know if its ok to keep screwing.

Please dont take this the wrong way, I wish you the best of luck and would like to see some follow up posts from you on your progress regardless of the decision you make.
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Bro, you need to rethink your life. You know you made a mistake about jumping the gun. Shit bro, by those pics, you had no clue about your diet. If so, you could have made way more gains without risking your health. Take it from someone on HRT. It's nice if your bodys fucked, but nothing I'd ever want to do just to stay muscular. Were talking lots of expensive blood work, doc visits, and know one is sure of the possible risks 20 -30 years from now. I had few choices. My test was always in the gutter, (total 140ng/dl) from head injuries when I was younger. But let me tell you, I feel that I am WAY to young for all this shit, at 36!

I don't want to lecture ya or sound like a prick. I really think you need to rethink all this. PM me if you want to talk off the boards.

Good luck...
 
You hardly look like you even workout, much less have done 4 cycles. I'm won't repeat whats already been said but I agree with it.
 
HRT is lifelong commitment, bro. It should be used as a last resort after all attempts to recover your HPTA have failed. I'm in the process of trying to give my HPTA a 2nd chance. Given your age, I highly suggest that you do the same.

I "jumped the gun" on HRT because I thought about "what it could do for me" and I sure wish that I had made more of an effort to fix my system before trying to replace it. Daily injections and constant fights with the insurance company took the "cool" factor out pretty quickly. I'll be much happier if I can pocket that $60/month and not have to rely on 2 injectables to keep my system happy. For some, it's not possible. They HAVE to be on HRT and have come to that conclusion after extensive recovery attempts have failed. I never made those attempts, so I am making them now. Many AAS users are in the same boat.

Sonny
 
r1derful said:
HRT is lifelong commitment, bro. It should be used as a last resort after all attempts to recover your HPTA have failed. I'm in the process of trying to give my HPTA a 2nd chance. Given your age, I highly suggest that you do the same.

I "jumped the gun" on HRT because I thought about "what it could do for me" and I sure wish that I had made more of an effort to fix my system before trying to replace it. Daily injections and constant fights with the insurance company took the "cool" factor out pretty quickly. I'll be much happier if I can pocket that $60/month and not have to rely on 2 injectables to keep my system happy. For some, it's not possible. They HAVE to be on HRT and have come to that conclusion after extensive recovery attempts have failed. I never made those attempts, so I am making them now. Many AAS users are in the same boat.

Sonny
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AGREED
 
Dial_tone said:
You hardly look like you even workout, much less have done 4 cycles. I'm won't repeat whats already been said but I agree with it.
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Maybe if you didn't surround yourself with people that were on permanently on and doing HRT (just like i'm asking about), it'd look a little more like I work out to you. If you can't see the difference in the pictures I suggest you get glasses. How many 5'11 200lb guys with 17 inch arms, at my bodyfat, etc. etc. that don't work out? They must be the next fuckin ronnie colemans then...

In addition, this thread was not started to get comments and criticisms on my pics, I was asking about HRT, where I'm in my bodybuilding "career" so to speak is irrelevant to what I am asking.
 
Regardless...I still say you are better off to fix your system and cycle like most bros do instead of going on HRT unless you HAVE TO.

Sonny
 
ExLax said:
Maybe if you didn't surround yourself with people that were on permanently on and doing HRT (just like i'm asking about), it'd look a little more like I work out to you. If you can't see the difference in the pictures I suggest you get glasses. How many 5'11 200lb guys with 17 inch arms, at my bodyfat, etc. etc. that don't work out? They must be the next fuckin ronnie colemans then...

In addition, this thread was not started to get comments and criticisms on my pics, I was asking about HRT, where I'm in my bodybuilding "career" so to speak is irrelevant to what I am asking.
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That is where you are wrong, where you are in your bodybuilding career if you have the balls to call it that has everything to do with it. If you were some national level badass with great potential it might be justifiable, where you are at currently you shouldn't even be considering. Don't take the honest critiques of good bro's on here the wrong way, we are trying to help you based on knowledge and experience. Please don't mention Ronnie again.
 
gymratforlife said:
Something is not right with those stats and those pictures but anyhow,Bro your way too young to be thinking HRT.That is my opinion.
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What doesn't align? I don't have any reason to lie, I'll be more than happy to post more pics.
 
silverbackn said:
That is where you are wrong, where you are in your bodybuilding career if you have the balls to call it that has everything to do with it. If you were some national level badass with great potential it might be justifiable, where you are at currently you shouldn't even be considering. Don't take the honest critiques of good bro's on here the wrong way, we are trying to help you based on knowledge and experience. Please don't mention Ronnie again.
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I'm not sure what's the right way to take it. For the past 2 years i've been devoated to working out, eating 6-7 times a day working out 5 times a week, sometimes even doin cardio in the morning on those days. When someone tell yo uit doesn't look like you've done shit when in fact you've been workin on it, regardless of what it is, is kinda like a stab in the heart.
 
ExLax said:
Maybe if you didn't surround yourself with people that were on permanently on and doing HRT (just like i'm asking about), it'd look a little more like I work out to you. If you can't see the difference in the pictures I suggest you get glasses. How many 5'11 200lb guys with 17 inch arms, at my bodyfat, etc. etc. that don't work out? They must be the next fuckin ronnie colemans then...

In addition, this thread was not started to get comments and criticisms on my pics, I was asking about HRT, where I'm in my bodybuilding "career" so to speak is irrelevant to what I am asking.
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When a person says "HRT" I think of the programs available to post 40 men and women to supplement or replace their natural production. This action is taken after thorough analysis of blood test results for all comprehensive and hormone measurements against range.

The original poster is a very young man who would not be invited into such a program because his "normal" levels of hormone production were within range.

This leaves him with a self-administered HRT program. Because of the high dosages used as compared to a prescribed program, he would truly be introducing himself into a life of replacement.

Think about that for a moment. For the price of some muscle size, a young man who has his life ahead of himself is going to do this. Marriage ... fatherhood ... job opportunities ... schooling .... all ahead of him.

His business.
 
ExLax said:
I'm not sure what's the right way to take it. For the past 2 years i've been devoated to working out, eating 6-7 times a day working out 5 times a week, sometimes even doin cardio in the morning on those days. When someone tell yo uit doesn't look like you've done shit when in fact you've been workin on it, regardless of what it is, is kinda like a stab in the heart.
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The truth is the way you posted this you could probably look pretty damn good and you would have been flamed. I'm not saying you look bad or look like you have never been in the gym. Everyone here is baffled that someone with your development is considering HRT. If you had posted first cycle pics looking like that you would be commended. Your pics were looked at with your question in mind. Hope that makes more sense to you. In short, HRT is a horrendous idea. Keep doing what you're doing and keep improving. Don't let honesty from other bro's get you down. We all know that pics don't always do justice. Hang in there and if anything use it as fuel to work harder.
 
No I definetly think you have a descent build dont get me wrong Im not knocking your build bro,just thought you looked smaller than 200lbs at 5'11" anyhow like the others have said dont do it man.
 
pdaddy said:
Do you have gyno?
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had it since I was kid, it's kinda subsided since I leaned out, but it's still there and bugs the shit outta me.

Also, you guys know those pics are from a few months of just starting to work out until now.. I'm wonderin if some of these comments are b/c they are confused by the pics?
 
ExLax said:
Maybe if you didn't surround yourself with people that were on permanently on and doing HRT (just like i'm asking about), it'd look a little more like I work out to you. If you can't see the difference in the pictures I suggest you get glasses. How many 5'11 200lb guys with 17 inch arms, at my bodyfat, etc. etc. that don't work out? They must be the next fuckin ronnie colemans then...

In addition, this thread was not started to get comments and criticisms on my pics, I was asking about HRT, where I'm in my bodybuilding "career" so to speak is irrelevant to what I am asking.
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Just as a point of reference, I am 39 y/o, 5'11", 172lb, 17% BF with a tiny frame (my wrist circumference is 7", biceps 15"), have been lifting heavy for 2 years and I look more developed than your "after" pic.

I think that's why people are questioning your stats.

P.S. You do look much more developed in the latest pic you posted.
 
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Like I said on the other board, HRT at 21 is a BAD idea :o
And you would be a fool to do it at this stage in your life, IMO:o

I would hope that after a few years of being around I-T regularly that you should know that already :) (And you do ;). I think you just "want" to stay on all year round and want a justifiable reason to do that...)
 
If you are truly passionate about lifting and want to dedicate the next 15 or 20 years of your life to it and have real hopes of becoming a professional strongman or bodybuilder then that's a rational choice you can make.

If you are considering this simply through the consuming obsession of a hobby or the insecurity of needing to look good then you'd be better off seeking therapy and counselling than destroying parts of your body for something the thought of which which might even bore you in five years time.
 
you hit the nail on the head right here.
The Terminator said:
Like I said on the other board, HRT at 21 is a BAD idea :o
And you would be a fool to do it at this stage in your life, IMO:o

I would hope that after a few years of being around I-T regularly that you should know that already :) (And you do ;). I think you just "want" to stay on all year round and want a justifiable reason to do that...)
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You need to listen to all the advice that you're recieving here. This is advice comming from guys that have been in the game a whole lot longer than you and know a lot more than you do. Swallow your inflated pride and heed their advice. So what you've read a few medical journals and have some cycles under your belt, that doesn't compare to the collective years of experienced vets here that are trying to save you from making a horrid mistake.
 
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