Deca/Proviron/Winstrol/HCG/Clomid/Nolvadex/Porno Cycle

[justyxxxx]

Hi Guys,

First of all, sorry for the long post. I hope that it's not as bad as it first appears. All suggestions are much appreciated.

I'm a male, 5'7" and 150 lbs. What I'd like to do for the time being is to slowly reduce some of this lard on me, while increasing lean mass. I want to do all of this over a gradual period of time while on this cycle. This will be my first cycle and for now I just want to increase my lean mass some and reduce my bodyfat so that I can look halfway decent for summer.

I've been reading Anabolics 2002 and Steroids 101, and at present, I'm thinking about doing the following cycle from Anabolics 2002 for Cutting/Lean Mass:
Ingredients: 140 tabs of Proviron, 10 ml 200mg/ml Deca, 100 tabs 10mg stanozolol, 15,000 i.u. HCG, 30 tabs 50mg/tab Clomid, 30 tabs 10mg/tab Nolvadex

Week 1: 200 mg/wk Deca
Week 2 - 4: 50 mg/day Proviron, 200 mg/wk Deca
Week 5 - 10: 50 mg/day Proviron, 200 mg/wk Deca, 20 mg/day Winstrol
Week 11: 50 mg/day Proviron, 20 mg/day Winstrol
Week 12 - 14: 5000 to 3000 iu HCG, 50 mg/day Clomid, 10 mg/day Nolvadex
Week 15: 50 mg/day Clomid, 10 mg/day Nolvadex
Week 16: Starring in Several Pornos

In addition, throughout the cycle I'll be using Tyler Liver Detox, Udo's Choice Oil, 2+ gallons of water per day, and a multi-vitamin. In addition, I pulled the following stuff from a thread started by jackfrost647:

Nizoral Shampoo
320 mg Saw Palmetto/day
350 mg Milk Thistle/day
1950 mg Cranberry Fruit/day
2000 mg Evening Primrose Oil/day

I haven't decided on the amount of protein and carbs as of yet.

1. What do you guys think of this cycle?
2. Any additional suggestions for items that will protect the liver, kidneys, etc?
3. Lastly, should I opt for Winstrol as an injection instead of the pill to help reduce possible liver problems or is this considered a safe dosage in tablet form? Any suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks,

JustyXXXX

Notes taken from Anabolics 2002 and/or Steroids 101:

Deca: Shows an extremely lower tendency for estrogen conversion, approximately 20% of that seen with test. Deca is a very safe choice among steroids, many considering it to be the best overall for a man when weighing the side effects and results. The muscle building effect of this drug is noticeable, but not dramatic. Deca is not toxic to the liver or any other organs of the body. It is able to infiltrate the joint connectivity tissue, cushion it and protect from soreness of training.

Proviron: Among athletes, Proviron is primarily used as an antiestrogen. Proviron can bring about an increase in the hardness and density of the muscles. Proviron is non-toxic to the liver.

Winstrol: Shown to exhibit a slightly greater tendency for muscle growth than androgenic activity in early studies. Properties are mild in comparison to many stronger compounds, but it is till a reliable builder. Not capable of converting into estrogen. Very popular among athletes in combination strength/speed sports such as Track and Field. The tablets will place a higher level of stress on the liver than the injectable. Injectables, however, may require a larger needle and difficulty injecting have been noticed. Gastrointestinal pain is also common when taking larger doses. Adding Proviron and Winstrol may prove to enhance the free state of of this potent muscle building androgen.

HCG: Used to stimulate the production of endogenous testosterone. Most often used in conjunction with Clomid/ Nolvadex since it's not the perfect hormone to combat testerone suppression.

Clomid: Causes natural testestorone production to increase. With the intake of Clomid, the athlete can hopefully reduce his risk for developing gynecomastia. Clomid is considered a very safe drug.

Nolvadex: Effective against estrogen. Nolvadex can help restore a balance in hormone levels. It can have a positive impace on HDL (good) cholesterol values. It is the most popular antiestrogen used by athletes today. Many people may find it unnecessary to use, even when utilizing problematic compounds such as test or Dianabol.

 

[ripper2]

suggestions:
skip the cycle, get your diet down to a T and work out smarter. at 150 you probably don't have much of a foundation yet.

since you're most likely going to do it anyways:
if this is really deca and not durabolin you need to wait 3 wks past the last shot to start your HCG/clomid/nolva. i would bump up the winni dose and only run it for 6 wks. oral winni and injectable winni are about the same as far as your liver is concerned go with what is cheaper.

 

[Mavy]

suggestions:
skip the cycle, get your diet down to a T and work out smarter. at 150 you probably don't have much of a foundation yet.

- Especially if you are fat at that weight!

 

[guards]

suggestions:
skip the cycle, get your diet down to a T and work out smarter. at 150 you probably don't have much of a foundation yet.

Exactly. You are nowhere NEAR ready for anabolics. How long have you been training? How old are you?

 

[liftsiron1]

Why lose any fat, at 5'7" and a buck fifty in weight, I think that you could be the leading man in a gay porno which is filmed in a prison, especially if your white. Inmates like a little baby fat on their bitches. No offense intended toward you, just trying to help you with the plot of your next major film.

 

[rooster1]

If you are fat at that weight

I would recommend this supplement stack.

Green tea 500-1000mg/ed or the equvelant of 10 brewed cups a day

ALA(alpha lipoic acid) 600mg x3 a day

Alcar(acetyl-l-carnitine) 2-5grams a day >>there is an injectable form of this<<

CLA(a fatty acid) 4 grams x4-5 times a day

hit the free weights 3days a week

aerobics x 3-4 times a week(20 minutes in the morning on an empty stomach will do wonders to boost your metabolism and burn fat)

People have reported steroid like gains from this stack of supplements.After about 3-4 months on a stack like this and some hard work you may be ready for some gear.I hope you try it you will be amazed.Good luck.

 

[Only1eagle]

I agree with all the above. Sorry to say but 5'7" 150 and fat? I have been 5'6" 145lbs since freshman year in high school. I have always been scrawny!!!!!!

Man if you are 5'7" 150lbs with fat, you actually need to start working out get a good diet and do some cardio or play a sport.

AAS is not magic!!

 

[The_Eviscerator]

5' 7" 150lbs. Already jumping on the AAS bandwagon! I just don't understand this mentality!!?? I waited until I was at least 205-210 and had a solid base before I ever touched anything other than Weider supplements (I know... what a joke!).

I would suggest (as others have)... Get a solid diet plan. Check out www.labrada.com for some ideas and ways to implement your diet.

Then I would suggest training. www.hypertrophy-specific.com should get you started.

After a year of doing things right, then add the AAS... of course you are going to do what you are going to do, so take my advice or leave it.

 

[justyxxxx]

Guys, thanks for your opinions, suggestions, etc.

To start, I'm probably not as fat as I suggested that I was. My pics are in my pic gallery. Sorry for the misleading "lard" statement, I should've been more precise. I normally use the word lard to describe my fat, but I can see how those who don't know me would obviously take me seriously. Sorry for that.

I did weigh 160, but I got my weight down to 150 and now I'd like to continue growing while trying to keep as little fat on as possible. I've been working out for a little over a year, usually consuming about 3200 calories.

I will be taking steroids at some point, and I'm basically wanting to know of a good stack that will allow me to gain slowly, while keeping fat levels at a minimum. I don't want the bloated look for my prison-filmed porno (ha - thanks liftsiron1 for the idea). Maybe I'll wait a little longer, based on some of your suggestions, but I'd still like any ideas on this particular stack.

Do you guys recommend this stack for that? Thanks ripper2 for adding your comments to my stack. And thanks The_Eviscerator and rooster1 for your legally obtainable links and suggestions. guards, I am 27 and have been training for a little over a year. ripper2, the two books that I have contain a section called Deca-Durabolin, but I don't see anything that separates deca and durabolin. The cycle just mentions Deca. So, please point me in the direction to understand the difference between deca and durabolin, because I was under the assumption that deca is deca-durabolin since the chapters on "deca" are under the category Deca-Durabolin. I do understand that Deca-Durabolin is a brand name from Organon.

Thanks!

 

[drgoodbody]

Deca vs. Durabolin

Deca, is the common street name for nandrolone decanote, a long acting ester of nandrolone. In contrast, Deca-Durabolin, or Durabolin for short, is nandrolone phenylpropionate, a much shorter, faster acting ester of nandrolone. The half life of the Deca is a ~2-3 weeks, while that of Durabolin is 3-5 days (don't quote me on these as I'm doing this from memory).

That's basically the difference, how long each substance lasts in your body following an injection (i.e. the release rate).

Hope that helps,

DrG

 

[justyxxxx]

Thanks drgoodbody.

Guys, it appears that the cycle mentioned in this book is referring to Deca-Durabolin.

 

[justyxxxx]

Any other ideas for supplements that I should be on to protect my kidneys, liver and stuff besides the ones mentioned in my first post? Or other suggestions?

Thanks!

 

[flexed1]

Personally I don't like that cycle at all for a first. That said 1 year is not the time to start either as your body really needs a foundation of a few years to see results from steriods.

Not sure how you workout but to approach that first lift heavy and major exercises such as bench, rows, squats, deadlifts etc. I would do each bodypart 1 day a week and do a 5 day a week routine. I would keep reps between 6-9 and again use major exercises. I would do about 12-15 sets for chest, shoulders about 10 sets for biceps and 12 for triceps about 15 sets for both back and legs.

I would consume a shit load of protein at your current weight in excess of 300 grams. I would increase your calories to 15 times your bodyweight to put on some lean muscle and keep fat intake at about 15 percent. (nuts, efa's, ).

When your ready for the first cycle I would not be using GH, I loved privoron, deca is good but in many cuts down sex drive big time but for me my first ever cycle was simply sus 250, d bol, and equipose. I never used winny until my bodyfat was low enough to warrant its cost and only used it for a show. I have used deca with equipose alone with great results keeping intake on the deca below 600 mg a week and equipose around 450-500 mg.

I started with sus 250 at 500 mg than peaked at 750 mg. I don't beleive in high doses never have only medium to low dose and hard work in the gym. If bodyfat is a problem do cardio 3-5 times a week to get lean, eat clean and workout hard you will see major results. Hope this helps a little and I have only been this detailed as you sent me an e mail to ask my advise.

 

[justyxxxx]

Thank you flexed1 for your post in response to my email. Very much appreciated.

I do admit to having a tendency to be an "off-and-back-on-type-workout-person". I need to change this. Consistency in regard to working out has always been a problem for me since I begain my off-and-on routines at 18.

I will admit that the decision to do steroids is a difficult one, ranging from my limited (and uncertain) source information to my questionable desire to actually stick with working out in a consistent manner.

One thing is for certain, the more educated that I've gotten from reading up on steroids, the less "scared" I've been to take them, in medium to smaller quantities like you. I've been known to go overboard on some things - like spending money on useless things - but I don't want to be in the hospital having an operation on my liver.

Steroids such as winny and d bol I'm still not sure of. Seeing the words TOXIC TO LIVER in various books and posts make me think more about whether I actually want to use them. But, at the same time, I also know that Tylenol, Accutane and other drugs can also screw with the liver. I suppose the issue is: AT WHAT DOSAGES are considered in the not too dangerous levels for a general 8 to 12 week cycle. That's something that I need to do more research on.

Thanks again for providing me with some of your cycle information and providing suggestions for improving my body. I certainly do like to know what various people are doing so that I compare body types to other body types and see what could possibly work best for me. Much appreciated!!!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Re: If you are fat at that weight

I would recommend this supplement stack.

Green tea 500-1000mg/ed or the equvelant of 10 brewed cups a day

ALA(alpha lipoic acid) 600mg x3 a day

Alcar(acetyl-l-carnitine) 2-5grams a day >>there is an injectable form of this<<

CLA(a fatty acid) 4 grams x4-5 times a day

hit the free weights 3days a week

aerobics x 3-4 times a week(20 minutes in the morning on an empty stomach will do wonders to boost your metabolism and burn fat)

People have reported steroid like gains from this stack of supplements.After about 3-4 months on a stack like this and some hard work you may be ready for some gear.I hope you try it you will be amazed.Good luck.

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STEROID-LIKE GAINS? No shit!

Looking at that original post I'd forgotton how much I disagree with Anabolics 2000.

Look kid, forget all this crap. Learn how to train. Learn how to eat. Then after a year or so, do a couple of d-bol for a few weeks if you want a taste of what steroids are like.

All this crap...nolva, deca, HCG, yada, yada -- you'd think everyone's entering the fucking Olympia.

 

[guards]

Re: Re: If you are fat at that weight

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STEROID-LIKE GAINS? No shit!

Looking at that original post I'd forgotton how much I disagree with Anabolics 2000.

Look kid, forget all this crap. Learn how to train. Learn how to eat. Then after a year or so, do a couple of d-bol for a few weeks if you want a taste of what steroids are like.

All this crap...nolva, deca, HCG, yada, yada -- you'd think everyone's entering the fucking Olympia.

THANK YOU!!!

the voice of reason chips in


Karma for you nelson...well deserved

 

[justyxxxx]

Re: Re: If you are fat at that weight

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STEROID-LIKE GAINS? No shit!

Looking at that original post I'd forgotton how much I disagree with Anabolics 2000.

Look kid, . . .

Wow - It's been a long time since someone called me KID. To be young again AT LAST.

 

[justyxxxx]

Re: Re: If you are fat at that weight

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STEROID-LIKE GAINS? No shit!

So are you advocating the use of the Green Tea, ALA, etc. formula that rooster1 posted or was this sarcasm? I'm thinking that you're agreeing with him, but wanna make sure . . .

Thanks!

 

[pharmguy]

Your better of throwing out the proviron and using 200-300 mgs test whatever ester each week. Proviron wreaks havoc on the old hairline, and you must be somewhat conccerned about it b/c you have nizoral on there. Nolva or anastazole is fine for estrogen control. proviron is methylated DHT. It makes your prostate grow and your hairline shrink.

 

[justyxxxx]

pharmguy,

I would DEFINITELY be the type that would be concerned more about my face, hair and internal organs than using a particular steroid. It's appearing that most suggest that I wait for steroids, but it also seems that most hate my first cycle if I do make-a-go at steroids. I will wait until I know more above each of my items and I'm guessing that I'll probably choose a different cycle than what I originally posted after the above various feedback.

Right now, I'm on the pro-hormone cycle by Big Cat, Megabol/Anabol. I've had the shits for the last couple of days and I've developed a sore throat. My ass feels like it's about to fall out from between my butt cheeks. I don't know if it's his cycle or not, since I've also changed my diet.

 

[pharmguy]

Why not try just a simple cycle like this
test cyp/enanth- 200 week
EQ-300 week-
ldex-.25 mg eod
10-12 weeks

simple, and will help you attain your goal, easy in the hair, and get some finasteride

 

[Mavy]

First of all, why would you include your porno films in your cycle? Wk 16? C'mon!

Also, dude, if you are going to need a strong wood for your porn, then Deca is the wrong drug for you bro. Do a search on Deca dick. Having sex is like shooting pool with a rope. I really dont think that you are ready to juice, and I think that you will lose most of your gains if you do decide to. It sounds to me like you just want to get buffed for this so called "porn" you are making. If you do decide to do something like this, I would get some test and shoot the porn half way through your cycle while your test levels are high.

Either way, I think that this is a stupid post. A light, fat newbie, who does not have their training down packed, who is nowhere close to there genetic peak, who wants to get buffed quickly for a porn. What will be next on Elite.

Mavy

 

[justyxxxx]

Test enanthate and Deca have been recommended to me. EQ is definitely a possibility instead of the deca. Not sure what ldex?? Regarding fina, are you talking about adding that on top of the rest of the stuff?

 

[Mavy]

I take back the fat part. Just checked your gallery and you are not that fat. Could definately use more natural training though.

 

[justyxxxx]

The porn was a joke. I'm not really gonna do a porno. I added that for SPICE. And yes, I'm familiar with deca dick.

What's next on Elite? Check out my Why do you like cumming in/on someone's face/mouth? thread in the Sheets section.

First of all, why would you include your porno films in your cycle? Wk 16? C'mon!

Also, dude, if you are going to need a strong wood for your porn, then Deca is the wrong drug for you bro. Do a search on Deca dick. Having sex is like shooting pool with a rope. I really dont think that you are ready to juice, and I think that you will lose most of your gains if you do decide to. It sounds to me like you just want to get buffed for this so called "porn" you are making. If you do decide to do something like this, I would get some test and shoot the porn half way through your cycle while your test levels are high.

Either way, I think that this is a stupid post. A light, fat newbie, who does not have their training down packed, who is nowhere close to there genetic peak, who wants to get buffed quickly for a porn. What will be next on Elite.

Mavy

 

[pharmguy]

Lets clear htis up first. fINASTERIDE is to prevent hairloss and save your prostate, FINAPLIX causes major hairlosss and prostate growth. Yes finasteride on top of everything else to protect. L-dex is an anti-estrogen(anstazole) fuck the deca, use EQ, less sides and you can use finasteride with EQ to prevent test sides, but you cant use deca with finasteride so therefore you have more sides from test.(its confusing I know).

Mavy, why just you be at your genetic peak before you juice? I worked out for 5 years before I juiced , ya think I should have waited? I wish I juiced after a year and a half........

 

[justyxxxx]

I take back the fat part. Just checked your gallery and you are not that fat. Could definately use more natural training though.

Well, I definitely know that you're right about the not having reached my genetic limit. And I am gonna hold off for a few months at least before I begin a possible cycle. However, I am still researching all of this crap and that was mainly the reason for me starting this thread. I wanted to see everyone's opinion regarding my cycle that I THOUGHT would create lean mass slowly and be an ok first cycle. But, obviously the majority thinks that it's not. I wanted to take my growth slowly, to see how my body responds to steroids and to not get that bloated look.

I'm open to suggestions . . .

 

[rooster1]

I was curious about that myself.Of course steroid like does not mean exactly like a good cycle.But you will get VERY good results. Now I feel like I am defending myself.I hope my comment wasn't taken out of context.But I was quoting what many other clean athletes have remarked about that stack........OK nuff of that......

 

[pharmguy]

and to not get that bloated look.

This is a possible deca side, and especially if you are sensitive to the progestenergic effects. you wont know until you take it.
EQ= No bloat

 

[justyxxxx]

Thanks pharmguy for the EQ info. I've seen posts talking good stuff about it, so I might use it instead of deca since I do want minimal side effects. And thanks for clearing up the Fina stuff.

Do you personally prefer enanthate or cypionate?

 

[pharmguy]

Do you personally prefer enanthate or cypionate?

I go with what is cheapest because I have not noticed a difference. I prefer to use either one (cyp or enanth) over prop or sust because I dont like EOD injections unless there is a serious benefit, which I have not found.

 

[Mavy]

Pharmguy, by saying this, I mean that you will save your body from using gear that may not be needed. Sure it is a lot slower this way, but you will be really working for your muscle. I too think I could have put on more weight naturaly but hit the pins before getting there (so do as I say, not as I do, hahaha). The purpose of a first time user "should" be to break a plateau that cannot be broken easily naturaly. Hell even before my cycle that I am on now, I was slowly gaining every week naturally. I really should have held off, but I didnt, and somewhat regret it, but I wanted to squeeze this cycle in before I leave the country for a few months ( i know hypocritical). Still when I was younger and many of my friends were on the juice bandwagon, I held off from doing it, and relatively kept up with them being natural. I am glad that I waited until I was a little older.

Justy if/when you decide to cycle and are looking for a quality cycle, I would try something like this.

wk 1-10
Sust or Enanthate: 250/wk
(pharmguy, sust does not have to be injected EOD, once a week is fine).
EQ: 400/wk (frontload the first week)

Wk 5-10
Anavar: 35mgs/day
Enanthate: 250/wk
EQ: 400/wk

You could always swap the Anavar for winny at 50mgs/day, but I would keep the var is you can get it and afford it.

Mavy

 

[pharmguy]

(so do as I say, not as I do, hahaha).

haha. Well a good friend of mine says. Good decisions come from experience. experience comes from bad decisions.
I too am guilty of that do as i say not as I do. But I have wisened up a bit. ( still learning the hard way a lot though)
Your right about sust, but I guess to maximize the prop in it, EOD is better. But in the long run, I doubt it will make a difference.

Mavy, Why do you not think cyp is a good alternative, Just curious.

 

[flexed1]

Looking back at these comments a few things come to mind.

1. Fina would be crazy for a beginner to AS. It has a harsh week on intro to the body and major chnages with attitude, stomache pains etc. These sides are ones I think should not be experienced by a first time user as its to hard on the body for a first cycle.

2. Prop as a first cycle to me would be a mistake. The verbage test is test is correct but my first cycle ever was sus 250. Taking cyp, or enth would be a cheaper alternative and one that for my last show I chose but sus 250 price aside is to me the best first cycle drug based on results with some d bol for 35-40 days and some equipose only because i chose it over deca.

3. For some reason my first experience with sus 250 was incredible and to this day never been matched. The redi jects a safe bet to avoid fakes rocked and back in the day cost about $7.00 a piece. So a week supply maxed for me was $21.00 but that was at the pharm.

4. Facts are you have gotten many diferent kinds of advise here and need to make choices. Adding a natural base should be the first choice to see the best results. My first show was natural and I trained natural for 3 years before going a different route. Even after taking the route I did simple cycles, low doises and hard work in the gym and on the diet.

 

[justyxxxx]

Hey - thanks flexed1 for the advise. Your posts have been very helpful.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

Just Buy Nelson's Book - Seriously

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STEROID-LIKE GAINS? No shit!

Looking at that original post I'd forgotton how much I disagree with Anabolics 2000.

Look kid, forget all this crap. Learn how to train. Learn how to eat. Then after a year or so, do a couple of d-bol for a few weeks if you want a taste of what steroids are like.

All this crap...nolva, deca, HCG, yada, yada -- you'd think everyone's entering the fucking Olympia.

Diet and Cardio = Cuts and Less Fat.

The cycle you outlined is too complex to truly evaluate your body's reaction to each compound. You need to evaluate your body's reaction. Skip all the complex stuff and get you some sust...once you are ready.

You are atubborn and you will do what you want anyway, but you should wait...this is good advice.

Keep dieting, training, and reading becasue you are not ready grasshoppa.