de la hoya lost

ZKaudio · Sep 14, 2003

Mexicans will riot everywhere.

out_at_sea · Sep 14, 2003

It was rigged....

ESPN has De la Hoya the winner by far(117-111)

Read this:
http://msn.espn.go.com/boxing/news/2003/0913/1615442.html

mylife · Sep 14, 2003

my buddy bet to win 200 bucks. i think the money line was 2.20 on the dollar so he lost a good 440. sucks to be him

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

This is why I only watch Tyson and the other knockout artists. If 2 guys can fight 12 rounds without 1 getting knocked out, they are fighting too cautiously, a real fight would never last that long. I'm pretty sure I could kick pretty boys ass if I cared to do so. He's physically small and weak. I'd just rush him and take away his ability to punch and it would be all over.

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

biteme said:
This is why I only watch Tyson and the other knockout artists. If 2 guys can fight 12 rounds without 1 getting knocked out, they are fighting too cautiously, a real fight would never last that long. I'm pretty sure I could kick pretty boys ass if I cared to do so. He's physically small and weak. I'd just rush him and take away his ability to punch and it would be all over.

Hmmm, have you ever fought a proboxer when he doesn't have gloves on, a whole different story. Rushing in on him would be easier said than done

ZKaudio · Sep 14, 2003

dude my rich mexican neighbors have like 10000 mexican friends in their house and i think they're trying to break down walls and shit over this... the house is pretty far away too and I can hear yelling. They'll probably start firing weapons in the air soon... time to call security !

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

Lord_Suston said:
Hmmm, have you ever fought a proboxer when he doesn't have gloves on, a whole different story. Rushing in on him would be easier said than done

He'd have to knock you out with 1 punch if you're much stronger and bigger and know how to take someone down.

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

not really, boxers work on combos and sidestepping, being big is not always and advantage especially if the fighter specialty is speed. Strength doesn't really help unless one's fighting style utilizes raw strength, greco-roman wrestling, judo, other grappling styles. Boxer in the lighter division don't train for the one pounch knockout liek heavyweights, they work on positioning and setups,example; rush in antry to go for a one leg take down with you right arm, A proficient boxer woul move to his right and back while throwing a stiff jab to help him move around by using your own momentum to push him to you side, from there he might craxk you in the temple with an overhand right while smashing your jaw in with a left hook before you could even react and there you go now you are open to a barrage of punches to the face and ribs,

Now maybe you are a great grappler, collegiate level or a superior jujistu guy, but I wouldn't try it

OKIE · Sep 14, 2003

That fight was bullshit...De La Hoya was easily the winner of that fight.

sinjinsmythe33 · Sep 14, 2003

i watched the fight on pay per view, didnt order it, it was just on. though de la hoya won close, but kellerman on espn claims most people ringside gave it to sugar. biteme, these guys may only weigh 154 and cant push the iron you could in a gym, but fighting is a completely different game. they are quick agile athletes with combat conditioning and tremendous handspeed. unless you have serious takedown skills and a great chin, you probably wouldnt last thirty seconds with either. no disrespect intended.

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

Lord_Suston said:
not really, boxers work on combos and sidestepping, being big is not always and advantage especially if the fighter specialty is speed. Strength doesn't really help unless one's fighting style utilizes raw strength, greco-roman wrestling, judo, other grappling styles. Boxer in the lighter division don't train for the one pounch knockout liek heavyweights, they work on positioning and setups,example; rush in antry to go for a one leg take down with you right arm, A proficient boxer woul move to his right and back while throwing a stiff jab to help him move around by using your own momentum to push him to you side, from there he might craxk you in the temple with an overhand right while smashing your jaw in with a left hook before you could even react and there you go now you are open to a barrage of punches to the face and ribs,

Now maybe you are a great grappler, collegiate level or a superior jujistu guy, but I wouldn't try it

Actually I would like to try it because I think it would not be that hard. I was never a collegiate wrestler but I was and am very quick and use to wrestle for fun and I don't think the boxer could escape. Boxers fair poorly in Ultimate Fighting matches against a quick grappler. I could be wrong, but don't think so.

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

biteme said:
Actually I would like to try it because I think it would not be that hard. I was never a collegiate wrestler but I was and am very quick and use to wrestle for fun and I don't think the boxer could escape. Boxers fair poorly in Ultimate Fighting matches against a quick grappler. I could be wrong, but don't think so.

Here is the underlying problem with ultimate fighting, they don't have top level pros fighting. All of the grapplers are the best in the world. Put them against semi-pro and figure it out

Like how would you describe being quick, are you quick for a body builder??? quick for a olympic lifter??? You might be faster than the average human but you are talking about taking on the best of the pro's and saying it wouldn't be that hard, think about what you are saying. wrestle for fun, so you weren't even trained as a wrestler, or even a boxer or fighter??? Now you want to fight a boxing champ when the don't have 10-12oz of padding and about 2oz of tape on on a hard surface where they can move faster. You should remember the fight on mats that slow you down, put them on a hard surface they will smoke you in lateral movement.

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

Lord_Suston said:
Here is the underlying problem with ultimate fighting, they don't have top level pros fighting. All of the grapplers are the best in the world. Put them against semi-pro and figure it out

Like how would you describe being quick, are you quick for a body builder??? quick for a olympic lifter??? You might be faster than the average human but you are talking about taking on the best of the pro's and saying it wouldn't be that hard, think about what you are saying. wrestle for fun, so you weren't even trained as a wrestler, or even a boxer or fighter??? Now you want to fight a boxing champ when the don't have 10-12oz of padding and about 2oz of tape on on a hard surface where they can move faster. You should remember the fight on mats that slow you down, put them on a hard surface they will smoke you in lateral movement.

You're right. They would kill the average person, even a much bigger person. But they can't fight on the ground and nearly every street fight ends up on the ground. They are not street fighters. I just believe that I could get them off their feet( THe smaller, weaker ones) and overcome them with superior strength once on the ground. When I say quick, I have fast enough reflexes to be able to get them off their feet, just like tackling someone in football. I played running back in college and ran a 4.46 in the forty. I'm not trying to say that I'm the baddest ass dude here, I'm sure there are others that are big and strong and very good athletes that could take me.

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

Jim Brown was very good friends with Muhammed Ali, Brown wrote in his autobiography that he believed he could whip Ali in a street fight. The 2 of them use to wrestle and play around and Brown said he was way stronger than Ali and felt that he could take him down. Maybe he was as wrong as I might be. Some of us are overconfident until proven otherwise.

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

I'm sorry biteme, I really just don't think you know how much training it takes to be a boxer, yes it is a street fight but you think that jsut rushing in an tackling a pro-boxer is a walk in the park. That is just as obsurd as if Tito Ortiz said I want to play in the Probowl game, I don't think it is that tough I am fast and I'm tough. lol.

Weak is a relative term, you mean with weights, but their is another strength you are forgetting, how hard can you punch, probably hard, but not nearlly as hard as a proboxer, and they don't need the time to set up like you do. To be honest if you did try it I would be legally obligated to perfomr CPR on you after the fight.

Ending up on the ground is mostly due to inefficient punching skills by both opponents, (not trained fighters). You wouldn't be able to get in on De la Hoya, he would hit you so many time on the way in you would be brain dead...

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

sinjinsmythe33 said:
i dont know how sugar or de la hoya would do in mma, but i would like to see roy jones try it. if he could acquire some ground skills he would be tough to defeat. even ortiz or liddell wouldnt dare try to stand up with him.

Maybe, but I think his build would not be conducive to this style, Tyson on the other hand would be pretty good in grappling IMO, Tua as well.

The question is if Biteme tryed to fight Jone what would happen, Would he easily tackle jones

, or just get hit so hard he was a vegetable before he hit the ground

sinjinsmythe33 · Sep 14, 2003

i dont know how sugar or de la hoya would do in mma, but i would like to see roy jones try it. if he could acquire some ground skills he would be tough to defeat. even ortiz or liddell wouldnt dare try to stand up with him.

revexrevex · Sep 14, 2003

yea royjones has reflexes like non other.... hell never do it though... all the money is in boxing for him

sinjinsmythe33 · Sep 14, 2003

roy has been challenged several times by one of the gracies, forget which one. his punching power was better when he was in the lighter classes. he is one of the most under appreciated athletes out there. tyson is supposedly very tight with mark kerr, i believe he just signed a contract to do something with one of the mma organizations, k-1 i think. maybe he will take on bob sapp?

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

Lord_Suston said:
I'm sorry biteme, I really just don't think you know how much training it takes to be a boxer, yes it is a street fight but you think that jsut rushing in an tackling a pro-boxer is a walk in the park. That is just as obsurd as if Tito Ortiz said I want to play in the Probowl game, I don't think it is that tough I am fast and I'm tough. lol.

Weak is a relative term, you mean with weights, but their is another strength you are forgetting, how hard can you punch, probably hard, but not nearlly as hard as a proboxer, and they don't need the time to set up like you do. To be honest if you did try it I would be legally obligated to perfomr CPR on you after the fight.

Ending up on the ground is mostly due to inefficient punching skills by both opponents, (not trained fighters). You wouldn't be able to get in on De la Hoya, he would hit you so many time on the way in you would be brain dead...

You speak as if you're 100% certain that this would be the outcome. Would you be willing to put up 1million dollars if you had it, to prove your point?

revexrevex · Sep 14, 2003

biteme..... lord sust was a boxer so he knows more about that aspect more than any of us... I just wanted to add that on the ground strength becomes much more pronounced, especially if you can mount your opponent and hit them with short and powerful blows like hammerfists and elbows. So in a street fight if you would get your weaker opponent on the ground, his superior boxing skills wont really matter. On the judo mat where strikes are not allowed, it once again becomes a matter of endurance and technique.... just like boxing..... I have been tapped out by a 130 lb 5'4 feet tall guy who benches like 135, because my strength and power meant nothing after 2 minutes of sustained grappling and him choking the fuck out of you

sinjinsmythe33 · Sep 14, 2003

if i had a million dollars, i would have had a three team parlay today with michigan, arkansas and unlv. then i would have twelve million dollars. at that point biteme, i would be happy to front you whatever you need to cover the medical bills provided by oscar.

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

biteme said:
You speak as if you're 100% certain that this would be the outcome. Would you be willing to put up 1million dollars if you had it, to prove your point?

if it was against Mosly or De la Hoya or Jones, tyson without a doubt unless you are an exceptional human speciment. Like 6"8 reflexes of a cat and a genetic freak. I doubt have million so it doesn't make any sense, I just don't think you realize how much training it takes to become a pro, let alone the best of the pro's

You train for collegiate football, it was brutal right. Before playing you need years of experience and tons of training. Just think of what pro's do and how much time it takes, BTW ali generation does not have the science and training advance of todays athletes, Look at the oldtime football players compared to today pro football player they would get killed, Progression of athletes is inevitable, or record would stand forever

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

sinjinsmythe33 said:
if i had a million dollars, i would have had a three team parlay today with michigan, arkansas and unlv. then i would have twelve million dollars. at that point biteme, i would be happy to front you whatever you need to cover the medical bills provided by oscar.

My problem is that I've never had my ass kicked. I wrestled frequently to submission and I did lose once, so I guess that counts as an asskicking because if I wouldn't have submitted, all of my front teeth would have popped out from the lock. I wrestled bigger and smaller guys and my move was the headlock, I never failed to get my opponent in the lock. On the occasion that I lost, it was too a much bigger guy, an excellent lineman, I had him beat but I let him out of the lock and as soon as I did, he reached up and quickly, b4 I could even react, grabbed me from behind with his arm around my face covering my mouth, if I hadn't submitted immediately, I wouldn't have any teeth. All the boxing skillls in the world wouldn't have gotten me out of that.

sinjinsmythe33 · Sep 14, 2003

just out of curiosity biteme...

did you play d-1 ball?

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

Re: just out of curiosity biteme...

sinjinsmythe33 said:
did you play d-1 ball?

Navarro JC and was on the team at North Texas State University but I dropped out b4 the season began at North Texas. I set their bench press record in the offseason at 385 pounds. Back in the early-mid 80's that was a lot of weight. I had an opportunity and the ability to be very good. My JC coach told another player from my hometown that came there after I left, that I had the talent to be a good major college level player but that I had a bad temper.

canadianhitman · Sep 14, 2003

I'm so glad that backpedaling, pussy-jabbing SOB lost!!!! DeLaHoya is a pussy, and a sham of a fighter. Good riddance!!!!

SupraHero · Sep 14, 2003

I truly think people are underestimating how dangerous a trained boxer is in a street fight. I personally have been in the golden gloves now I am not the baddest man on the planet but at 6'4 235lbs and a trained fighter I am not someone you are going to want to pick a fight with at the local bar, like lord sust said a trained fighter doesn't need time to set up to punch you, he doesn't need a ton of space for a haymaker, all he has to do is hit you coming in and your forward motion versus his punching power = you in a pool of your own blood on the ground. Trust me no matter how much of a badass you think you are if you fight any pro boxer over 150-160lbs unless you are a MMA fighter or just some superhuman freak you are in for a mighty big and mighty painful shock.

TC2 · Sep 14, 2003

Lord_Suston said:
I'm sorry biteme, I really just don't think you know how much training it takes to be a boxer, yes it is a street fight but you think that jsut rushing in an tackling a pro-boxer is a walk in the park. That is just as obsurd as if Tito Ortiz said I want to play in the Probowl game, I don't think it is that tough I am fast and I'm tough. lol.

Weak is a relative term, you mean with weights, but their is another strength you are forgetting, how hard can you punch, probably hard, but not nearlly as hard as a proboxer, and they don't need the time to set up like you do. To be honest if you did try it I would be legally obligated to perfomr CPR on you after the fight.

Ending up on the ground is mostly due to inefficient punching skills by both opponents, (not trained fighters). You wouldn't be able to get in on De la Hoya, he would hit you so many time on the way in you would be brain dead...

Fuckin word,

The're called "fighting" muscles and there's a WORLD of difference between bodybuilder strong and fighter strong.

And biteme, you shoud see how fast these guys can move without gloves on. Tv doesn't do it justice.

c-sharp minor · Sep 14, 2003

ZKaudio said:
Mexicans will rot everywhere.

Yessssssssss.

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

SupraHero said:
I truly think people are underestimating how dangerous a trained boxer is in a street fight. I personally have been in the golden gloves now I am not the baddest man on the planet but at 6'4 235lbs and a trained fighter I am not someone you are going to want to pick a fight with at the local bar, like lord sust said a trained fighter doesn't need time to set up to punch you, he doesn't need a ton of space for a haymaker, all he has to do is hit you coming in and your forward motion versus his punching power = you in a pool of your own blood on the ground. Trust me no matter how much of a badass you think you are if you fight any pro boxer over 150-160lbs unless you are a MMA fighter or just some superhuman freak you are in for a mighty big and mighty painful shock.

If this is the case, how much training would one need to be able to do these things without being taken to the ground by an oppennet with superior strength and size.

Mandinka2 · Sep 14, 2003

biteme said:
If this is the case, how much training would one need to be able to do these things without being taken to the ground by an oppennet with superior strength and size.

There used to be a particularly brutal middleweight champ pro called Steve Collins , I think he fought somewhere around 196lbs. Anyway , this happened well before he became champ , some guy made an admiring remark about his wife , he beat the guy to within an inch of his life and VERY narrowly excaped jail. Pro boxers hit at 3x the power of a similar guy their size. My ol man used to be an amateur champ and he could tell u some stories , these guys are as tough as nails , the punishment that they habitually take in sparring would turn an untrained man to mush. An untrained fighter versus a pro boxer is a no contest , almost regardless of weight division . I would venture to say that I've thrown maybe 3 full blooded right hands in my life (fights, bouncing and rugby) ,and they were almost certainly clumsy wasteful efforts compared to a pro boxer. Im under no illusions that a pro boxer would whip me silly.

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

Mandinka2 said:
There used to be a particularly brutal middleweight champ pro called Steve Collins , I think he fought somewhere around 196lbs. Anyway , this happened well before he became champ , some guy made an admiring remark about his wife , he beat the guy to within an inch of his life and VERY narrowly excaped jail. Pro boxers hit at 3x the power of a similar guy their size. My ol man used to be an amateur champ and he could tell u some stories , these guys are as tough as nails , the punishment that they habitually take in sparring would turn an untrained man to mush. An untrained fighter versus a pro boxer is a no contest , almost regardless of weight division . I would venture to say that I've thrown maybe 3 full blooded right hands in my life (fights, bouncing and rugby) ,and they were almost certainly clumsy wasteful efforts compared to a pro boxer. Im under no illusions that a pro boxer would whip me silly.

I need to go pick a fight with one so I can get out from under this illusion. I use to box my friends in my garage and because I could beat on them, I thought that I could box. I went to the Oak Cliff gym and got in the ring and did learn a valuable lesson. I could tell right away that those guys knew exactly what they were doing. The first guy, about a 154 pound African, hit me in the chin about 50 times and I never landed a punch. The next guy, was about to get his pro license, I came in on him to hit him in the ribs and he hit me with a straight right and broke my nose. Thus ending my short boxing career. But I know that a street fight and a boxing match are totally different. THen again, I guess I'd just have to find out the hard way.

Mandinka2 · Sep 14, 2003

biteme said:
I need to go pick a fight with one so I can get out from under this illusion. I use to box my friends in my garage and because I could beat on them, I thought that I could box. I went to the Oak Cliff gym and got in the ring and did learn a valuable lesson. I could tell right away that those guys knew exactly what they were doing. The first guy, about a 154 pound African, hit me in the chin about 50 times and I never landed a punch. The next guy, was about to get his pro license, I came in on him to hit him in the ribs and he hit me with a straight right and broke my nose. Thus ending my short boxing career. But I know that a street fight and a boxing match are totally different. THen again, I guess I'd just have to find out the hard way.

True dat , kick him in the nuts and he's a little pussy like the rest of us lol , then run like hell. I mean that's the whole point , these guys have such confidence in their punches compared to the average Joe's slow haymaker. When I hear of guys like Max Baer who died in the ring laughing (he used to be such a masochist) or I watch movies like Raging Bull it frightens the bejesus outta me. When I hit someone I expect him to go down and not get back up for a while , now with a pro boxer , not only will nothing land on the fucker but he'll pummel my brains just to teach me a lesson ,the only hope is a cheap shot and it better be a good one or else no more kissin for this Irishman!

FISHTALES · Sep 14, 2003

Lord_Suston said:
Hmmm, have you ever fought a proboxer when he doesn't have gloves on, a whole different story. Rushing in on him would be easier said than done

UFC 1, gracie vs. some boxer bigger than him...tap out...havnt seen any more boxers in there either.

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

Mandinka2 said:
True dat , kick him in the nuts and he's a little pussy like the rest of us lol , then run like hell. I mean that's the whole point , these guys have such confidence in their punches compared to the average Joe's slow haymaker. When I hear of guys like Max Baer who died in the ring laughing (he used to be such a masochist) or I watch movies like Raging Bull it frightens the bejesus outta me. When I hit someone I expect him to go down and not get back up for a while , now with a pro boxer , not only will nothing land on the fucker but he'll pummel my brains just to teach me a lesson ,the only hope is a cheap shot and it better be a good one or else no more kissin for this Irishman!

Anytime I ever got into a scrape, Except for 1 occasion, I always turned it into a wrestiling match. I'm not willing to swap punches with anyone that might be able to land one (that shit hurts). If you rush a guy that likes to stand up and box and you protect yourself as you're going in, not hard to do, you just keep your face covered and vital organs so he can't connect, you will force the guy to have to fight on the ground.

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

FISHTALES said:
UFC 1, gracie vs. some boxer bigger than him...tap out...havnt seen any more boxers in there either.

Graice did not fight a top level pro like biteme is suggesting he could take on any day.

Biteme-you faced a guy with gloves on, amateur gloves are heavier about 14-16oz, who wasn't even a pro and he broke your nose with one punch, easily I might add.

Now you are suggesting you could take on de la hoya or Mosley, a top ranked pro in a few divisions without gloves and not in a normal ring.

So here is your previous fighting experience, You wrestle with some friends, (Any collegiate wrestler would have gotten out of your finishing move the-headlock.) I assume you friends weren't punching either. Boxing carrer was fighting in someone's garage and then going to a gym to get your nose broken in. No formal training in any style, unless football counts.

Your strength level- best bench 385, impressive but not overwhelming by any means. Age late 30's- not as fast as you used to be or conditioned or as tough.

But you are resilent, never been beaten, and ready to take on the top proboxing champs in the world in a street fight where they don't even need gloves.

Come on who you trying to kid, the woul run circle around you and probably maim you for life on a nice day. What do you think that boxers are push-overs, that they can't take any pain, they can't move fast on their feet, that they hit lightly????

presguy · Sep 14, 2003

personally i think he won the fight.

Bam Bam · Sep 14, 2003

ZKaudio said:
dude my rich mexican neighbors have like 10000 mexican friends in their house and i think they're trying to break down walls and shit over this... the house is pretty far away too and I can hear yelling. They'll probably start firing weapons in the air soon... time to call security !

Rich Mexican neighbors? Must be drug dealers. I was for Mosely but I thought De La Hoya won easily. What pisses me off about De La Hoya is that he comes here to America, makes his fortune and fame (worth maybe $150,000,000) and then insists on them playing the Mexican National Anthom. To me it disrespects America. Bam

KA-BAR · Sep 14, 2003

I am going to have to speak my view on this. I agree with you. I will be in my first pro NHB match in Jan and I am boxing with pro boxers right now. I am a submission wrestler and have been working on my stand up alot. Yes they pick me apart at will on the feet. I have 50# on them and they can still ring my bell badly but they both have said in a street fight I would own them. They get close enough to hit me they are close enough to be taken down. And that’s a fact.

I am not saying I would be able to beat down Tyson or anything but you put him against a UFC caliber fighter like tito or randy and it would be ugly. Trust me.

biteme said:
Actually I would like to try it because I think it would not be that hard. I was never a collegiate wrestler but I was and am very quick and use to wrestle for fun and I don't think the boxer could escape. Boxers fair poorly in Ultimate Fighting matches against a quick grappler. I could be wrong, but don't think so.

KA-BAR · Sep 14, 2003

BTW oscar won that fight. It may not have been that flashy but he fuckin won.

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

KA-BAR, biteme isimplying he can beat Mosley or De LA hoya in a street fight. You said you are gonna have your first pro-NHB match coming up in JAN, Biteme has no training. Does anyone not see the munacy of this

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

Lord_Suston said:
KA-BAR, biteme isimplying he can beat Mosley or De LA hoya in a street fight. You said you are gonna have your first pro-NHB match coming up in JAN, Biteme has no training. Does anyone not see the munacy of this

Don't need training to take a boxer to the ground and choke the life out of him. It it were Tyson or another big strong mother, No, couldn't do it, unless they fell to sleep. But the smaller guys, yes, it can be done.

PolishHammer1977 · Sep 14, 2003

Biteme

You are in way over your head here. Lord suston was and still could be a top level boxer. Take the words and learn from them.

You are clearly an underachiever and your bench press, which is not high I might add, is not gonna help you anywhere in a fight. You are also a mental midget (temper problems) as displayed by your SHORT athletic career, if you even call it a career.

The fact that you never challenged yourself enough to fight and lose says something of your character. Clearly not a warrior and just another person who's insecurities play into the open playing field of life.

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

biteme said:
Don't need training to take a boxer to the ground and choke the life out of him. It it were Tyson or another big strong mother, No, couldn't do it, unless they fell to sleep. But the smaller guys, yes, it can be done.

Don't need training, Now you just showed how ignorant you are.
I really hope you don't believe anything you are typing, cause if you do you need help

But lets make this open to debate.

How strong are you now???? Stats, ect.. any superhuman powers you aren't telling us????

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

PolishHammer1977 said:
Biteme

You are in way over your head here. Lord suston was and still could be a top level boxer. Take the words and learn from them.

You are clearly an underachiever and your bench press, which is not high I might add, is not gonna help you anywhere in a fight. You are also a mental midget (temper problems) as displayed by your SHORT athletic career, if you even call it a career.

The fact that you never challenged yourself enough to fight and lose says something of your character. Clearly not a warrior and just another person who's insecurities play into the open playing field of life.

You know nothing of what you are saying. Just another person with an opinion. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and most of them stink. BTW I had a friend who was an amateur boxer and he couldn't come close to whipping me in a fight and he knew it.

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

unclebully said:
I am the hardest man on the planet,

watch out Bitme is gonna choke you out, he doesn't need training, he just will rush in and choke you....

unclebully · Sep 14, 2003

I am the hardest man on the planet,

PolishHammer1977 · Sep 14, 2003

I am truly sorry man. I will light a candle for you in hope that you do see the light.

Your a big fish in a small pond.

and

I have been a professional athlete. I could be a professional athlete in almost any sport I choose to this day. I can say what I say bc I walk the walk.

Hows about jumping into the ocean big guy?

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

Lord_Suston said:
Don't need training, Now you just showed how ignorant you are.
I really hope you don't believe anything you are typing, cause if you do you need help

But lets make this open to debate.

How strong are you now???? Stats, ect.. any superhuman powers you aren't telling us????

Was wondering why none of you know it alls asked that. You and a few others assumed that I still bench press 385. I watch what others write closely and scrutinize everything. Lots of ignorance. I did 425 on the decline less than a year ago. That kind of strength means nothing if you can't apply it in a confrontation. But I can, as can others with that kind of strength. A headlock means you get your jaw broken into pieces. A choke lock and you're dead. You can also keep someone on the ground a lot easier. I think a lot of guys with great strenght and athleticism could whip the smaller boxers. I used the search engine to read about boxers in street fights. Shannon Briggs got his ass kicked by a Miami Hurricane football player and he is a heavyweight.

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

PolishHammer1977 said:
I am truly sorry man. I will light a candle for you in hope that you do see the light.

Your a big fish in a small pond.

and

I have been a professional athlete. I could be a professional athlete in almost any sport I choose to this day. I can say what I say bc I walk the walk.

Hows about jumping into the ocean big guy?

Good for you, congratulations. You could probably whip me with your great size and strength and athelticism. I have no problem admitting that that would be the likely outcome. Unless you have no clue how to fight on the ground.

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

not to break it to you but decline is easier than flat bench, that is why people arch, less ROM and more tris and less shoulder rotation.

You can apply your strength, hmm didn't you quit boxing cause you got your nose broken, says a lot about your will power. Tapped out when someone started to choke you, nice will power there. 38 and trying to become a nurse, fucked up the first time at life and trying to get it back somehow, not enough will the first time around.

How do you plan to get in? I mean your amateur friend probably is much lighter than you and is an amateur, there is no difference between amateur and pro??? No difference in Pro and Champion?? Do you see the difference in athleteic ability and training or can you not comprehend what is take to be a real professional???

PolishHammer1977 · Sep 14, 2003

biteme said:
Good for you, congratulations. You could probably whip me with your great size and strength and athelticism. I have no problem admitting that that would be the likely outcome. Unless you have no clue how to fight on the ground.

This isn't about my congratulations. This is about you understanding who you are talking to. The reality of the situation.

You know of my athleticism yet nothing of my fighting experience which is vast. Most of my fights do not end up on the groud bc I finish them on my feet. Ay skilled striker would not allow you to the ground. You would be either concussed, knocked out, or dead.

Shannon Briggs is Shannon Briggs. Were talking about you.

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

BTW, why the insults Polish and SUst? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. People are wrong all the time, but that's no reason to attack their character.

unclebully · Sep 14, 2003

I will defeat you all with my teeth, I am the hardest man on the planet I can kill men with my bare breasts blah blah ,

This is a pretty pointless discussion.

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

biteme said:
BTW, why the insults Polish and SUst? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. People are wrong all the time, but that's no reason to attack their character.

it is how you boasted as taking a Top Pro boxer down was easy. The will a normal person shows is fleeting at best. Go on the training board see some Vids of BFold, Hammer or myself competing and tell me that isn't will.... The will pro-athletes show is enourmous and it takes their training to a whole different level. Quiting is easy, quiting when bodily harm is being done is really easy, not many can take the never-ending pain it take to get to the top. It is insulting to here how you boasted you could take on a pro, it insults all the work many have put in, to say in abstact terms your strength and talents could make you just as good as them without even any sacrifice...

flex123 · Sep 14, 2003

I feel really bad for Oscar. He has been gypped fights in the past and with this lose he has lost 3 fights in a row I beleive.

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

PolishHammer1977 said:
This isn't about my congratulations. This is about you understanding who you are talking to. The reality of the situation.

You know of my athleticism yet nothing of my fighting experience which is vast. Most of my fights do not end up on the groud bc I finish them on my feet. Ay skilled striker would not allow you to the ground. You would be either concussed, knocked out, or dead.

Shannon Briggs is Shannon Briggs. Were talking about you.

Shannon Briggs was a skilled striker and a top heavyweight boxer who got his ass kicked by a football player. Care to explain that? A skilled striker can and does often end up on the ground.

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

flex123 said:
I feel really bad for Oscar. He has been gypped fights in the past and with this lose he has lost 3 fights in a row I beleive.

he should have won, he usually get gypped by judges cause he boxes on the outside and judges thingks the opponent is the aggresor, but it is an outside style Oscar has and will always get voted against

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

Lord_Suston said:
it is how you boasted as taking a Top Pro boxer down was easy. The will a normal person shows is fleeting at best. Go on the training board see some Vids of BFold, Hammer or myself competing and tell me that isn't will.... The will pro-athletes show is enourmous and it takes their training to a whole different level. Quiting is easy, quiting when bodily harm is being done is really easy, not many can take the never-ending pain it take to get to the top. It is insulting to here how you boasted you could take on a pro, it insults all the work many have put in, to say in abstact terms your strength and talents could make you just as good as them without even any sacrifice...

Not at all, but we're talking about 2 different things. I know that in a boxing ring those small guys would knock me out, but as I've said boxing is not fighting in the true sense of the word. It is one dimensional, if that's all they can do, they can be great in the boxing ring, but not necessarily in a street fight where anything goes.

PolishHammer1977 · Sep 14, 2003

Honeslty,

how many fights ahve you been in?

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

biteme said:
Not at all, but we're talking about 2 different things. I know that in a boxing ring those small guys would knock me out, but as I've said boxing is not fighting in the true sense of the word. It is one dimensional, if that's all they can do, they can be great in the boxing ring, but not necessarily in a street fight where anything goes.

Here is a fundamental problem, you think you can wrestle, but your skill is no greater than an average person, stated by you; no wreslting experience. So you are on par with proboxers there, but hoestly you might have slight advantage since you weightlift. But remeber a boxer can punch you in your famous signature move "the headlock". Explain how you would get in, would you come straigth in and guard your face and block you own vision? would you throw some haymakes and just take their first few punches?? Either option seems suicidal at best.

About a year nad a half ago I wreslted one of my friends, play D-1 football about 300lbs or so, I ended up choking him out with ease and I haven't wreslted in years. What makes you think none of these guys have never wrestled??

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

Fact is, no matter what you say, you will never convince me that I might not be able to succeed. I know myself and what I'm capable of. Neither will I convince you, so I'm done with this discussion. Hurl all the insults you want to.

PolishHammer1977 · Sep 14, 2003

Your insecuties override the fact that WE are trying to open your eyes to the reality that surruonds you.

In a way you can say that we are guardians.

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

PolishHammer1977 said:
Your insecuties override the fact that WE are trying to open your eyes to the reality that surruonds you.

In a way you can say that we are guardians.

What is insecure about thinking that you can take on a man much smaller and physcially weaker than you are, and defeat him in a anything goes match? I already said they would kill me in a boxing ring. I really believe this or I wouldn't say it. I could be wrong as I've already said, but I read on the net that boxers have lost in street fights.

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

no use in argueing, just try taking on a pro next time your out, when you get better from the coma, write about it

canadianhitman · Sep 14, 2003

This thread is waaaay too serious. But I will say this; I've fought MMA against guys way smaller than me who were far more skilled (2nd degree BB), and could always maul them to the ground without taking too much significant punishment to do so. Sure, you eat a shot on the top of the head when you shoot, or take a nasty low kick in the leg, but it's not enought to stop you from scoring the single or double leg takedown, or getting in close enought to grab and clinch. 220lbs with ground skills is gonna mess up a 154lb boxer with no ground skills more often than not. But, that being said, I've beaten a few PARTICULAR smaller opponents with more striking skill than myself and gotten them to tap to chokes and neck cranks. I wouldn't ever make a blanket statement and say that I could do the same to ANY smaller guy that is a pure striker. I can say that I like my chances, but that's about it.

PolishHammer1977 · Sep 14, 2003

biteme said:
What is insecure about thinking that you can take on a man much smaller and physcially weaker than you are, and defeat him in a anything goes match? I already said they would kill me in a boxing ring. I really believe this or I wouldn't say it. I could be wrong as I've already said, but I read on the net that boxers have lost in street fights.

If you were secure in yourself you would challenge yourself and take on opponents that are much larger and have more fighting experience than you.

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

PolishHammer1977 said:
If you were secure in yourself you would challenge yourself and take on opponents that are much larger and have more fighting experience than you.

That's not secure, that is stupid.

PolishHammer1977 · Sep 14, 2003

biteme said:
That's not secure, that is stupid.

That my friend is the difference between you and I.

I walk the path of warriors

You walk the road that is paved

Warpath · Sep 14, 2003

biteme said:
Not at all, but we're talking about 2 different things. I know that in a boxing ring those small guys would knock me out, but as I've said boxing is not fighting in the true sense of the word. It is one dimensional, if that's all they can do, they can be great in the boxing ring, but not necessarily in a street fight where anything goes.

It seems to me that what you're doing is imagining what would happen if you fought somebody like delahoya or whoever. Everybody has an idea of what they can or cant do in a fight and 99% of the time you dont know until you actually do it. But unless you are a trained grappler any top pro boxer welter weight or above would knock out your teeth, break your jaw and cheek bones and knock you out in less than 20 seconds. I know you dont believe this, but it is reality.

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

biteme said:
That's not secure, that is stupid.

But you can take them down with your finishing move- "the headlock"

You still haven't given physical stats such as weight, height, reach. These are very important in a fight, the dictate how you would plan out attacking strategies and defensive manuevers. I know you think a straight in tackle will solve it with a well place headlock. But you don't really know what kind of distance and timing it would take in an open ring against someone much faster and with a longer reach. Your reach is gonna be shorter since you don't want to stand up and fight and most likely your punching power is minimal at best, too much muscle= weak punching especially when not train to punch.

A street fight is dirty, boxers train o go distance and often pace themselves, now imagine in a boxer is outside the confines of a twelve round match, he is gonna throw more punches in one minute than you can react to just to get inside. Sure you might take a few to the head, but the other combos are gonna hit you in eyes, throat, ears, back of the neck, ribs, maybe groin since it is a street fight. But with your indomitable will you will go forward to try to tackle and put on the infamous Headlock

biteme · Sep 14, 2003

Lord_Suston said:
But you can take them down with your finishing move- "the headlock"

You still haven't given physical stats such as weight, height, reach. These are very important in a fight, the dictate how you would plan out attacking strategies and defensive manuevers. I know you think a straight in tackle will solve it with a well place headlock. But you don't really know what kind of distance and timing it would take in an open ring against someone much faster and with a longer reach. Your reach is gonna be shorter since you don't want to stand up and fight and most likely your punching power is minimal at best, too much muscle= weak punching especially when not train to punch.

A street fight is dirty, boxers train o go distance and often pace themselves, now imagine in a boxer is outside the confines of a twelve round match, he is gonna throw more punches in one minute than you can react to just to get inside. Sure you might take a few to the head, but the other combos are gonna hit you in eyes, throat, ears, back of the neck, ribs, maybe groin since it is a street fight. But with your indomitable will you will go forward to try to tackle and put on the infamous Headlock

All of your theories mean nothing. I know how to take a man down and put him out quickly. If he is smaller and weaker and can't fight well on the ground, I stand a good chance of getting him on the ground. You really think it's that hard to get close to a boxer and force him to fight on the ground? You're a boxer so you can believe whatever you want. Boxers will get their asses handed to them by any decent ground fighter. If we were talking about ground fighters here instead of boxers, I would say that I would lose to a great 150 pd. ground fighter easily.

FISHTALES · Sep 14, 2003

locked

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

biteme said:
All of your theories mean nothing. I know how to take a man down and put him out quickly. If he is smaller and weaker and can't fight well on the ground, I stand a good chance of getting him on the ground. You really think it's that hard to get close to a boxer and force him to fight on the ground? You're a boxer so you can believe whatever you want. Boxers will get their asses handed to them by any decent ground fighter. If we were talking about ground fighters here instead of boxers, I would say that I would lose to a great 150 pd. ground fighter easily.

DID YOU FORGET YOU ARE A NURSING STUDENT AND NOT A GRAPPLER!!!! YOU ARE 38 AND DON'T EVEN TRAIN TO GRAPPLE/WRESTLE!!!! Weaker, you mean only in the sense of weight loaded excercises, punching strength, you can't even compare. You know how to take a man down and end it, You have nothing but your ego and fighter's spirit here

. You don't even know what it takes to be a good grappler, you weren't even a top of the line athlete when you were younger, playing JUCO football and then dropping off a University Team...
But after watching a boxing match you think you can take on some of the best PRO-BOXERS in the world with your finishing move the "HEADLOCK"

Face it man just give it up

BTW post your physical stats, I would like them for reference

tinymm · Sep 14, 2003

I dont want to piss anyone off here BUT, biteme- you couldnt stand a chance with a pro boxer period!!! i dont even care about the weight class... you say you could tackle them and choke them on the ground. you have to be able to touch them first. i dont think you understand how fast they are. and you dont understand how much they train, and you say you wouldnt even have to train!lmao

i know a couple of boxers (not pros) but they are very good and i think you would have a hard time getting these guys on the ground! and they arent even pros...

hey you might be a bad mofo, but it is a diffrent game out there man...

-matt

PolishHammer1977 · Sep 14, 2003

He does have the HEADLOCK.

Look out!

revexrevex · Sep 14, 2003

sin it was free?? which chan.. you got cablevision?

sinjinsmythe33 · Sep 14, 2003

well i saw the fight last nite for free on the ppv channel. i hope that the coutore/ortiz match (ufc on the 26th) is free too. doubt that will end in a headlock.

FISHTALES · Sep 14, 2003

sinjinsmythe33 said:
well i saw the fight last nite for free on the ppv channel. i hope that the coutore/ortiz match (ufc on the 26th) is free too. doubt that will end in a headlock.

cant wait

sinjinsmythe33 · Sep 14, 2003

no, im near philly, cable for me is comcast. i knew the fight had started, so i turned to channel 98, which is one of the the local pay per view channels. i thought there would be interference but the picture was fine. must have been a mistake on their part cause i didnt order it.

PolishHammer1977 · Sep 14, 2003

Did anyone use the headlock in the pre-lim fights?

revexrevex · Sep 14, 2003

Headlock the room starts to spin around you and its either you tape out, or oyu tuck in your chin, survive on the last breath of air an dkeep on fighting..... dono how it compares to judo chop though...... I dont think you can chop people in judo you know...

sinjinsmythe33 · Sep 14, 2003

Did anyone use the headlock in the pre-lim fights?

didnt catch the prelims. how does the headlock compare to the infamous 'judo chop' used by austin powers? imagine having both of those in your arsenal.

sinjinsmythe33 · Sep 14, 2003

da bears

Lord_Suston · Sep 14, 2003

watch out Biteme will take on the bears anyday with the infamous Headlock. Remember he's never been beaten except the time his friend almost choked him out......

sinjinsmythe33 · Sep 14, 2003

biteme could definitely take urlacher.

tybz28-#2 · Sep 15, 2003

I would put up 1 million on that fight anyday. I would bet on marco antonio barrera @135lbs beating biteme in an all out street fight. And not just biteme either, i box amateur @195 and i would bet against myself in the same siuation.

ZKaudio · Sep 15, 2003

it's a tough call to make from the internet either way

biteme · Sep 15, 2003

tybz28-#2 said:
I would put up 1 million on that fight anyday. I would bet on marco antonio barrera @135lbs beating biteme in an all out street fight. And not just biteme either, i box amateur @195 and i would bet against myself in the same siuation.

135lbs? Good God, I could pick someone up that small and throw them on the ground with such force that it would like they had been in a bad car accident.

Deterass · Sep 15, 2003

biteme said:
Actually I would like to try it because I think it would not be that hard. I was never a collegiate wrestler but I was and am very quick and use to wrestle for fun and I don't think the boxer could escape. Boxers fair poorly in Ultimate Fighting matches against a quick grappler. I could be wrong, but don't think so.

if you want to try it sign up for the tough man fights ,anyone can join but as far as you boxing someone like oscar you would easily get your ass kicked.

Deterass · Sep 15, 2003

Re: Re: just out of curiosity biteme...

biteme said:
Navarro JC and was on the team at North Texas State University but I dropped out b4 the season began at North Texas. I set their bench press record in the offseason at 385 pounds. Back in the early-mid 80's that was a lot of weight. I had an opportunity and the ability to be very good. My JC coach told another player from my hometown that came there after I left, that I had the talent to be a good major college level player but that I had a bad temper.

385 for a record bench in college :lmao:

a guy in my high school broke the record as a senior in high school
at a 500 lbs bench,no bullshit and that was in 1988

biteme · Sep 15, 2003

deteras1 said:
if you want to try it sign up for the tough man fights ,anyone can join but as far as you boxing someone like oscar you would easily get your ass kicked.

No shit Sherlock. Never said I could outbox the little man, I would get creamed.

biteme · Sep 15, 2003

Re: Re: Re: just out of curiosity biteme...

deteras1 said:
385 for a record bench in college

a guy in my high school broke the record as a senior in high school
at a 500 lbs bench,no bullshit and that was in 1988

SO what's your point asshole. It doesn't change the fact that that was a record at NT at that time. Mean JOe Greene who is a friend of the family went to NT and he told me that he never benched more than 335. That would be weak by today's standards for a lineman.

pitbullstl · Sep 15, 2003

Just thought I would throw my tough guy ass in the ring for a minute.

Strength stats:

Bench Press: 585

Deadlift: 745

Squat: 705 *with healthy knees

Martial Arts Training:

8 years Tae Kwan Do (3-11 years of age) black belt

7 years of Kenpo (11-18 years of age) brown with red stripe belt

6 years of Combat Hapkido (23 to present) blue belt

boxing training in Spinks gym on and off for 12 years.

Street fight record: a whole lot - to - 2

both losses to golden gloves level boxers (pitbullstl was sloppy drunk and got lit up like a christmas tree)

Conclusion: Boxers are tough, trained, dedicated athletes. When sober I will fight anyone, can I predict the outcome? NO!
Can anyone? NO! Do people that predict the outcome as victors usually lose? YES!

PolishHammer1977 · Sep 15, 2003

Nice resume brother. Really NICE! Elite warrior status in my eyes. Beyond the numbers, beyond the degrees of discipline but the humility in your words. Awesome!

Somehow I think Mr. Headlock will still try to predict his "battles" with undermining opponents with an even lesser will that he has displayed to be no more than non existant.

Lord_Suston · Sep 15, 2003

biteme said:
135lbs? Good God, I could pick someone up that small and throw them on the ground with such force that it would like they had been in a bad car accident.

you get in on Barrera, I would love to watch that car accident

. You laying there a total quadprelegic after the first 5-7 punch combo.

pitbullstl- how was the Spinks gym??? I hear they got some bad ass boxers there

biteme · Sep 15, 2003

PolishHammer1977 said:
Nice resume brother. Really NICE! Elite warrior status in my eyes. Beyond the numbers, beyond the degrees of discipline but the humility in your words. Awesome!

Somehow I think Mr. Headlock will still try to predict his "battles" with undermining opponents with an even lesser will that he has displayed to be no more than non existant.

You know nothing of my will dickhead. I still work out passionately after 25 years, look much younger, far stronger, and more athletic than 98% of people my age. And over 95% of the population or probably higher period. How many people can bench over 400 at slightly under 200 lbs? Less than 1%. How many people can run a 4.6 forty yard dash. Less than 1%. Don't question my will mother fucker. Maybe I would lose a street fight to a little dude with pro boxing skills, but I would try just for the challenge. MOre than most can say. And I'm honest and you take advantage of that, you think I'm a failure because I dropped out of college and didn't become a pro athlete. Your a dick to even insinuate that. I think you're the one with the insecurity issue.

pitbullstl · Sep 15, 2003

Lord_Suston said:
you get in on Barrera, I would love to watch that car accident . You laying there a total quadprelegic after the first 5-7 punch combo.

pitbullstl- how was the Spinks gym??? I hear they got some bad ass boxers there

It's a pretty cool place.....except in the summer....no pun intended.....a/c sucks.....but everyone is pretty friendly....I developed a lot of my hand speed there....and at 260+ pounds...I need all the hand speed I can get....

Lord_Suston · Sep 15, 2003

biteme said:
How many people can bench over 400 at slightly under 200 lbs? Less than 1%. How many people can run a 4.6 forty yard dash. Less than 1%. Don't question my will mother fucker. Maybe I would lose a street fight to a little dude with pro boxing skills, but I would try just for the challenge. MOre than most can say. And I'm honest and you take advantage of that, you think I'm a failure because I dropped out of college and didn't become a pro athlete. Your a dick to even insinuate that. I think you're the one with the insecurity issue.

I was wondering, you can still run a 4.6??? Because I thought you ran a 4.46, maybe that is just a typo

. Since I know roughly your stats of being under 200lbs I would definitely put you in a very small percentage of winning.

Pitsbulstl-Thats coll, I think all hardcore boxing gym don't have AC in the summer

. Hand speed is very important, once you can teach a person that legs and hip dictate the first part of the punch they can increase their speed dramatically. Also relaxing one's antagonistic muscle-to punching- helps greatly. Some of the best boxersI have tained against showed me how to punch without really using my arms- kinda like the end of a whip

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